From craig at wavefront.net Thu Apr 1 00:21:34 2004 From: craig at wavefront.net (Craig S. Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: #122# - Another topic? In-Reply-To: <4257C646-7326-11D8-9870-000A95D92230@omega.org> References: <404FA8D1.5090006@aptest.com> <4257C646-7326-11D8-9870-000A95D92230@omega.org> Message-ID: <406BB4EE.6010509@wavefront.net> Matthew Johnson wrote: > 122 topics in two hours and those are only the ones I can remember. > Please add. I can't remember if it was the last meeting or the meeting before where we discussed XML and XSLT. In any case, you may want to check out http://www.x-cp.org It looks like this is a new technology that is going to change everything. I don't think the Perl Module is quite complete, but it probably will be soon, and then look out. -- --------------------------------------- Craig S. Wilson craig@wavefront.net WaveFront Communications, Inc. 1677 Lake Valentine Road Arden Hills MN 55112-2840 1.651.638.9594 1.612.865.8794 -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From drobnox at visi.com Thu Apr 1 04:57:48 2004 From: drobnox at visi.com (doctor obnox son of a bitch) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: #122# - Another topic? In-Reply-To: <406BB4EE.6010509@wavefront.net> References: <404FA8D1.5090006@aptest.com> <4257C646-7326-11D8-9870-000A95D92230@omega.org> <406BB4EE.6010509@wavefront.net> Message-ID: <20040401105746.GA23472@isis.visi.com> Craig S. Wilson spoke in riddles, like the night... > Matthew Johnson wrote: > > >122 topics in two hours and those are only the ones I can remember. > >Please add. > > I can't remember if it was the last meeting or the meeting before where > we discussed XML and XSLT. In any case, you may want to check out > http://www.x-cp.org It looks like this is a new technology that is > going to change everything. > > I don't think the Perl Module is quite complete, but it probably will be > soon, and then look out. > Interesting: The legacy control protocols are too tightly packed. This makes it very difficult for third parties (e.g., routers, firewalls, and the US Department of Homeland Security) to analyze the traffic as it flows by. I get nervous whenever anyone mentions das Heimatssicherheitsamt. -- "An official at the Moroccan Embassy could ........Eric J. Gustafson not confirm the presence of ......................... monkeys in the coalition of the willing." .........drobnox@visi.com -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Thu Apr 1 05:30:54 2004 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: #122# - Another topic? In-Reply-To: <406BB4EE.6010509@wavefront.net> References: <404FA8D1.5090006@aptest.com> <4257C646-7326-11D8-9870-000A95D92230@omega.org> <406BB4EE.6010509@wavefront.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Craig S. Wilson wrote: > Matthew Johnson wrote: > > > 122 topics in two hours and those are only the ones I can remember. > > Please add. > > I can't remember if it was the last meeting or the meeting before where > we discussed XML and XSLT. In any case, you may want to check out > http://www.x-cp.org It looks like this is a new technology that is > going to change everything. > > I don't think the Perl Module is quite complete, but it probably will be > soon, and then look out. If, and do say if, you're ready to give a presentation on this, I think we should rescedule Andy, because this is really groundshaking stuff. Actually, I bet Andy'd come anyway, just to hear about it. -dave /*======================= House Absolute Consulting www.houseabsolute.com =======================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From craig at wavefront.net Thu Apr 1 08:13:07 2004 From: craig at wavefront.net (Craig S. Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: #122# - Another topic? In-Reply-To: References: <404FA8D1.5090006@aptest.com> <4257C646-7326-11D8-9870-000A95D92230@omega.org> <406BB4EE.6010509@wavefront.net> Message-ID: <406C2373.1060604@wavefront.net> Dave Rolsky wrote: > On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Craig S. Wilson wrote: >>I can't remember if it was the last meeting or the meeting before where >>we discussed XML and XSLT. In any case, you may want to check out >>http://www.x-cp.org It looks like this is a new technology that is >>going to change everything. > If, and do say if, you're ready to give a presentation on this, I think we > should rescedule Andy, because this is really groundshaking stuff. > Actually, I bet Andy'd come anyway, just to hear about it. > We will have to see about a full presentation. Some of the local PerlMongers may want to get involved in the design and development. In the meantime, pass the URL onto anyone who you think may be interested in looking into the future of the Internet. -- --------------------------------------- Craig S. Wilson craig@wavefront.net WaveFront Communications, Inc. 1677 Lake Valentine Road Arden Hills MN 55112-2840 1.651.638.9594 1.612.865.8794 -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From mark.allen at shavlik.com Thu Apr 1 09:59:35 2004 From: mark.allen at shavlik.com (Mark Allen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: #122# - Another topic? Message-ID: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F6F5F89@owa.shavlik.com> I read that web site, Craig. It's incredible innovation! When are you going to submit this to IETF? This should be a working standard immediately. --Mark -----Original Message----- From: Craig S. Wilson [mailto:craig@wavefront.net] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:13 AM To: mpls@pm.org Subject: Re: [mplspm]: #122# - Another topic? Dave Rolsky wrote: > On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Craig S. Wilson wrote: >>I can't remember if it was the last meeting or the meeting before >>where we discussed XML and XSLT. In any case, you may want to check >>out http://www.x-cp.org It looks like this is a new technology that >>is going to change everything. > If, and do say if, you're ready to give a presentation on this, I > think we should rescedule Andy, because this is really groundshaking stuff. > Actually, I bet Andy'd come anyway, just to hear about it. > We will have to see about a full presentation. Some of the local PerlMongers may want to get involved in the design and development. In the meantime, pass the URL onto anyone who you think may be interested in looking into the future of the Internet. -- --------------------------------------- Craig S. Wilson craig@wavefront.net WaveFront Communications, Inc. 1677 Lake Valentine Road Arden Hills MN 55112-2840 1.651.638.9594 1.612.865.8794 -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From craig at wavefront.net Thu Apr 1 10:30:15 2004 From: craig at wavefront.net (Craig S. Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: #122# - Another topic? In-Reply-To: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F6F5F89@owa.shavlik.com> References: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F6F5F89@owa.shavlik.com> Message-ID: <406C4397.3060404@wavefront.net> Mark Allen wrote: > I read that web site, Craig. It's incredible innovation! When are you > going to submit this to IETF? This should be a working standard > immediately. Of course, I owe a lot of it to you making me see the light of the one true markup language! ;-> http://www.x-cp.org/kool-aid.png -- --------------------------------------- Craig S. Wilson craig@wavefront.net WaveFront Communications, Inc. 1677 Lake Valentine Road Arden Hills MN 55112-2840 1.651.638.9594 1.612.865.8794 -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From andy at petdance.com Thu Apr 1 10:49:44 2004 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: #122# - Another topic? In-Reply-To: <406C4397.3060404@wavefront.net> References: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F6F5F89@owa.shavlik.com> <406C4397.3060404@wavefront.net> Message-ID: <20040401164944.GA25970@petdance.com> > Of course, I owe a lot of it to you making me see the light of the one > true markup language! ;-> > > http://www.x-cp.org/kool-aid.png OK, so now I've been suckered. I didn't read the site, so I figured that Dave was serious about rescheduling me... -- Andy Lester => andy@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From shamu112 at hotmail.com Thu Apr 1 10:53:59 2004 From: shamu112 at hotmail.com (Mark Mykkanen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: #122# - Another topic? Message-ID: This could just be an April Fool's... ;) >From: "Mark Allen" <mark.allen@shavlik.com> >Reply-To: mpls@pm.org >To: <mpls@pm.org> >Subject: RE: [mplspm]: #122# - Another topic? >Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:59:35 -0600 > >I read that web site, Craig. It's incredible innovation! When are you >going to submit this to IETF? This should be a working standard >immediately. > >--Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: Craig S. Wilson [mailto:craig@wavefront.net] >Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:13 AM >To: mpls@pm.org >Subject: Re: [mplspm]: #122# - Another topic? > >Dave Rolsky wrote: > > > On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Craig S. Wilson wrote: > >>I can't remember if it was the last meeting or the meeting before > >>where we discussed XML and XSLT. In any case, you may want to check > >>out http://www.x-cp.org It looks like this is a new technology that > >>is going to change everything. > > > If, and do say if, you're ready to give a presentation on this, I > > think we should rescedule Andy, because this is really groundshaking >stuff. > > Actually, I bet Andy'd come anyway, just to hear about it. > > > >We will have to see about a full presentation. Some of the local >PerlMongers may want to get involved in the design and development. > >In the meantime, pass the URL onto anyone who you think may be >interested in looking into the future of the Internet. > >-- > >--------------------------------------- >Craig S. Wilson craig@wavefront.net >WaveFront Communications, Inc. >1677 Lake Valentine Road >Arden Hills MN 55112-2840 >1.651.638.9594 1.612.865.8794 > > > >-------------------------------------------------- >Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > >To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in >the body of the message. > > > >-------------------------------------------------- >Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > >To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org >with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. _________________________________________________________________ Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms – all in one place at MSN Money! http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From foeclan at visi.com Thu Apr 1 11:04:45 2004 From: foeclan at visi.com (Michael Vieths) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: #122# - Another topic? In-Reply-To: <20040401164944.GA25970@petdance.com> References: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F6F5F89@owa.shavlik.com> <406C4397.3060404@wavefront.net> <20040401164944.GA25970@petdance.com> Message-ID: > > http://www.x-cp.org/kool-aid.png > OK, so now I've been suckered. I didn't read the site, so I figured > that Dave was serious about rescheduling me... > Funny that the most traffic to hit this list in a long time is for an April Fool's gag. ;) -- Michael Vieths Foeclan@Visi.com -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From shane at aptest.com Thu Apr 1 11:57:27 2004 From: shane at aptest.com (Shane McCarron) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: #122# - Another topic? In-Reply-To: References: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F6F5F89@owa.shavlik.com> <406C4397.3060404@wavefront.net> <20040401164944.GA25970@petdance.com> Message-ID: <406C5807.6070505@aptest.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Each module gains visibility to the other modules within the structure via the following steps: 1) Get visibility to the directory via use lib "./TE_Kernel"; 2) Get visibility to the module via use File_Cmd_Mgr qw (Create_Files); 3) Invoke the module by calling the subroutine name only: Create_Files (File_Size => 1024); Each module imports modules and subroutines from many others. Modules depend on each other, such that they can be termed "co-dependent". Recently, we have started seeing problems with visibility. In the above example, Perl can no longer find the subroutine Create_Files. The workaround to date has been to explicitly specify the location of the module, e.g., File_Cmd_Mgr::Create_Files (File_Size => 1024); Is there anything we might be able to do to "help" Perl find the routines in the correct modules. Extending our workaround to require all modules be specified explicitly would impact our code readability significantly, so we wish to avoid that if possible. Suggestions on where to look or how to proceed would be highly appreciated. -------------- cut ----------------------------------- Please note that the application in question is typically run with Perl 5.005003 or 5.6.1. TIA, Regards, --djw ************************************************** David Worden dworden@veritas.com VERITAS Software Corp. 651-746-7276 (voice) 2815 Cleveland Ave. Roseville, MN 55113 Mail Stop: ROS2-4 ************************************************** -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Sat Apr 3 15:46:31 2004 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Visibility Problem(s) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, Dave Worden wrote: > File_Cmd_Mgr::Create_Files (File_Size => 1024); > > Is there anything we might be able to do to "help" Perl find the routines in > the correct modules. Extending our workaround to require all modules be > specified explicitly would impact our code readability significantly, so we > wish to avoid that if possible. Suggestions on where to look or how to > proceed would be highly appreciated. You can use Exporter to export subroutines, variables, etc. OTOH, if you're using lots of modules that just provide functions, I actually think using the fully qualified name is a good thing, because that way people who read the code know where things are coming from. I find that when I read code that imports lots of functions, it's a nightmare to follow the flow of the code. -dave /*======================= House Absolute Consulting www.houseabsolute.com =======================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From shane at aptest.com Mon Apr 12 09:50:58 2004 From: shane at aptest.com (Shane McCarron) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Contracting Positions Coming up In-Reply-To: <20040309214525.GA6833@petdance.com> References: <20040309214525.GA6833@petdance.com> Message-ID: <407AACD2.1090803@aptest.com> My company has some interesting Perl-based projects coming up, and we could use some help. If you are an experienced Perl programmer who can work without a lot of supervision (at our facility or yours), please drop me a line. Note: at this time we are not looking for permanent employees, but there is potential for that later in the summer. -- Shane P. McCarron Phone: +1 763 786-8160 x120 Managing Director Fax: +1 763 786-8180 ApTest Minnesota Inet: shane@aptest.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 4718 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/mpls-pm/attachments/20040412/4aed2f8e/smime.bin From ian at indecorous.com Mon Apr 12 22:28:54 2004 From: ian at indecorous.com (Ian Malpass) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: April meeting In-Reply-To: <305FFEDE10E368449714750CCC448E12C3E6E6@rosxchcln1.enterprise.veritas.com> References: <305FFEDE10E368449714750CCC448E12C3E6E6@rosxchcln1.enterprise.veritas.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 16 Mar 2004, Dave Worden wrote: > Ok, it's a "go". I just received approval for this PerlMongers meeting. > > Date/Time: 14 April, 2004 (Wednesday) / 7 P.M. > > Place: VERITAS Software Corp. > 2815 Cleveland Ave. > Roseville, MN 55113 > (yeah, I know it's in the sig, *8^)) Is it too late for an RSVP? Not been long in the country, but it'd be good to get some PMy goodness, if there's still space in the room for a little one.... Ian - -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The soul would have no rainbows if the eyes held no tears. Ian Malpass ian@indecorous.com -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From dave.worden at veritas.com Tue Apr 13 10:30:34 2004 From: dave.worden at veritas.com (Dave Worden) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Visibility Problem(s) Message-ID: > You can use Exporter to export subroutines, variables, etc. OTOH, if > you're using lots of modules that just provide functions, I > actually think > using the fully qualified name is a good thing, because that > way people > who read the code know where things are coming from. > > I find that when I read code that imports lots of functions, it's a > nightmare to follow the flow of the code. Dave Rolsky -- thanks for your suggestion here. I passed this on to the co-worker (who penned the problem description). They are contemplating a code sweep --- to fully qualify things and eliminate the visibility problem(s). -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From dave.worden at veritas.com Tue Apr 13 10:38:22 2004 From: dave.worden at veritas.com (Dave Worden) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: April meeting Message-ID: > > Ok, it's a "go". I just received approval for this PerlMongers meeting. > > > > Date/Time: 14 April, 2004 (Wednesday) / 7 P.M. > > > > Place: VERITAS Software Corp. > > 2815 Cleveland Ave. > > Roseville, MN 55113 > > (yeah, I know it's in the sig, *8^)) > > Is it too late for an RSVP? Not been long in the country, but > it'd be good > to get some PMy goodness, if there's still space in the room > for a little > one.... There should be plenty of room (unless someone pulls a "Flash Mob" thing). The room I have will hold ~20 folks comfortably. In a crunch, we can probably move to a room that will hold ~30. Also, I'll plan to be by the front door ~6:45 P.M. in case Andy wants to verify the presentation logistics a bit before the meeting. Regards, --djw ************************************************** David Worden dworden@veritas.com VERITAS Software Corp. 651-746-7276 (voice) 2815 Cleveland Ave. Roseville, MN 55113 Mail Stop: ROS2-4 ************************************************** -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From andy at petdance.com Tue Apr 13 11:22:30 2004 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: April meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Also, I'll plan to be by the front door ~6:45 P.M. in case Andy wants > to verify the presentation logistics a bit before the meeting. > But of course! I'm always ready to do battle with Murphy and his Law. I'll be bringing a copy of "Spidering Hacks" from O'Reilly, which I contributed to, as a giveaway, too. xoa -- Andy Lester => andy@petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From mboyko at excite.com Wed Apr 14 11:06:32 2004 From: mboyko at excite.com (Mike Boyko) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: April meeting Message-ID: <20040414160632.725331E46C@xprdmailfe25.nwk.excite.com> Is anyone that is driving to the meeting coming from/driving through Bloomington? With that bus strike I couldn't get to the last one, and this meeting sounds like a good one to attend. =-) - Mike _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Wed Apr 14 11:11:36 2004 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Ride to meeting Message-ID: I would greatly appreciate a ride to the meeting tonight. I live in Uptown, Mpls. -dave /*======================= House Absolute Consulting www.houseabsolute.com =======================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From jim at acadcam.com Wed Apr 14 11:23:26 2004 From: jim at acadcam.com (Jim Anderson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Ride to meeting In-Reply-To: ; from autarch@urth.org on Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 11:11:36AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20040414112326.A10338@acadcam.com> On Wed, Apr 14, 2004 at 11:11:36AM -0500, Dave Rolsky wrote: > I would greatly appreciate a ride to the meeting tonight. I live in > Uptown, Mpls. I'd offer a ride, but considering that I'm starting from about 2 miles west of Veritas and heading about 2 miles east of Veritas after the meeting, just about anybody that would be on my way would be within walking distance of Veritas. -- Jim Anderson (612) 782-0456 jim@acadcam.com Anderson CAD/CAM, Inc Lucifer designed MS-DOS to try 3800 Apache Lane NE men's souls. St Anthony, MN 55421 Then he had a better idea... -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From zaj at cypress.com Wed Apr 14 11:42:40 2004 From: zaj at cypress.com (Andrew Jonsson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: April meeting: Rides In-Reply-To: <20040414160632.725331E46C@xprdmailfe25.nwk.excite.com> References: <20040414160632.725331E46C@xprdmailfe25.nwk.excite.com> Message-ID: <407D6A00.6080709@cypress.com> I am tenitively planning on going, but I will not be sure until the end of the work day. If rides are not found, you can check with me ~5:00 to see, If I am going I am coming from bloomington, so I could give either or both of you rides. But at the moment I can't commit. Mike Boyko wrote: > Is anyone that is driving to the meeting coming from/driving through Bloomington? > > With that bus strike I couldn't get to the last one, and this meeting sounds like a good one to attend. =-) > > - Mike > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. -- Andrew Jonsson Cypress Semiconductor, MN Inc. Phone: (952) 876-8427 email: zaj@cypress.com -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Wed Apr 14 17:19:50 2004 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: still need a ride Message-ID: Andrew isn't going so I still need a ride ... Anyone? -dave /*======================= House Absolute Consulting www.houseabsolute.com =======================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From mboyko at excite.com Wed Apr 14 17:23:17 2004 From: mboyko at excite.com (Mike Boyko) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: April meeting: Rides Message-ID: <20040414222317.E02FE1E56D@xprdmailfe25.nwk.excite.com> Hi all, Andrew won't be able to make it tonite. Is anyone else going to the meeting tonite that would be driving through or from Bloomington? ____ Mike --- On Wed 04/14, Andrew Jonsson < zaj@cypress.com > wrote: From: Andrew Jonsson [mailto: zaj@cypress.com] To: mpls@pm.org Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 11:42:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [mplspm]: April meeting: Rides I am tenitively planning on going, but I will not be sure until the end
of the work day. If rides are not found, you can check with me ~5:00 to
see, If I am going I am coming from bloomington, so I could give either
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Anyone? -dave /*======================= House Absolute Consulting www.houseabsolute.com =======================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From ken at mathforum.org Sat Apr 17 22:05:09 2004 From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: About Ponie Message-ID: <33DA4156-90E5-11D8-AD9B-000A95BD9874@mathforum.org> There was some talk about Ponie at the last meeting. Earlier today Jarkko chimed in about what Ponie is, on the macosx@perl.org list: Begin forwarded message: > From: Jarkko Hietaniemi > Date: April 17, 2004 10:39:26 AM CDT > To: macosx@perl.org, "Andrew M. Langmead" > Cc: Mac OS X Perl > Subject: Re: Suggested version for Mac OS X.2? > > Andrew M. Langmead wrote: > >> The odd numbered releases are the development >> track. (When you try to run some script against them, something goes >> wrong and you say "oh, that seems odd!") > > Right. > >> The 5.7 development track lead to the 5.8 stable release. > > Right. > >> The 5.9 (Ponie) development will lead to a stable release of 5.10. > > Wrong. Ponie is off the chart, or maybe more like 5.11, or maybe > more like 5.9+i (as in a complex number). Ponie is more or less > taking the bones of Parrot (the Perl 6 virtual machine) and hanging > on the flesh of Perl 5.9 (runtime). Or putting in a Porsche motor on > a Mercedes body, if that sounds less gory. Or in other words, > Ponie = Parrot + Perl 5.9. > So it's not really that perl 5.9 "will be" Ponie, but rather there will be *a version* of perl 5.9 with parrot as its guts, and that's Ponie. 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From mark.allen at shavlik.com Mon Apr 19 18:35:24 2004 From: mark.allen at shavlik.com (Mark Allen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Need some help with BIG constants Message-ID: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F821D6B@owa.shavlik.com> I have a large number which is represented in C as unsigned char bignum[] = { 0x1f, 0xdd, 0x76, 0x78, 0x8f, 0x7b, 0x28, 0xc0, 0xf9, 0xc7, 0x98, 0x61, 0x20, 0x28, 0x58, 0x2a }; What's a good way to represent this in perl? I'm not super familiar with how pack works, but it seems like it might be a good way to handle this. Any ideas? Thanks! --Mark -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Mon Apr 19 19:02:41 2004 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Need some help with BIG constants In-Reply-To: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F821D6B@owa.shavlik.com> References: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F821D6B@owa.shavlik.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Apr 2004, Mark Allen wrote: > I have a large number which is represented in C as > > unsigned char bignum[] = { 0x1f, 0xdd, 0x76, 0x78, 0x8f, 0x7b, 0x28, > 0xc0, > 0xf9, 0xc7, 0x98, 0x61, 0x20, 0x28, > 0x58, 0x2a }; > > What's a good way to represent this in perl? I'm not super familiar > with how pack works, but it seems like it might be a good way to handle > this. > > Any ideas? Math::BigInt and Math::BigFloat are probably the easiest if you need to do any sort of actual math operations on the number in Perl. -dave /*======================= House Absolute Consulting www.houseabsolute.com =======================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From craig at wavefront.net Tue Apr 20 23:47:37 2004 From: craig at wavefront.net (Craig S. Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: DateTime Issue on Windows In-Reply-To: References: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F821D6B@owa.shavlik.com> Message-ID: <4085FCE9.9090703@wavefront.net> I am trying to use DateTime on Windows using ActiveState Perl. I ran ppm and installed DateTime which also caused DateTime::Locale and DateTime::TimeZone to be installed. My program blows up with Can't locate DateTime/Locale/root.pm in @INC (@INC contains: .) at (eval 47) line 3. Any idea what DateTime/Locale/root.pm is or where it is supposed to come from? Do I need to set some kind of Locale environment variable? LC_ALL? The same program runs on a Linux box. The following are the particulars of the Perl: Summary of my perl5 (revision 5 version 8 subversion 3) configuration: Platform: osname=MSWin32, osvers=4.0, archname=MSWin32-x86-multi-thread uname='' config_args='undef' hint=recommended, useposix=true, d_sigaction=undef usethreads=undef use5005threads=undef useithreads=define usemultiplicity=define useperlio=define d_sfio=undef uselargefiles=define usesocks=undef use64bitint=undef use64bitall=undef uselongdouble=undef usemymalloc=n, bincompat5005=undef Compiler: cc='cl', ccflags ='-nologo -Gf -W3 -MD -Zi -DNDEBUG -O1 -DWIN32 -D_CONSOLE -DNO_STRICT -DHAVE_DES_FCRYPT -DNO_HASH_ IMPLICIT_CONTEXT -DPERL_IMPLICIT_SYS -DUSE_PERLIO -DPERL_MSVCRT_READFIX', optimize='-MD -Zi -DNDEBUG -O1', cppflags='-DWIN32' ccversion='', gccversion='', gccosandvers='' intsize=4, longsize=4, ptrsize=4, doublesize=8, byteorder=1234 d_longlong=undef, longlongsize=8, d_longdbl=define, longdblsize=10 ivtype='long', ivsize=4, nvtype='double', nvsize=8, Off_t='__int64', lseeksize=8 alignbytes=8, prototype=define Linker and Libraries: ld='link', ldflags ='-nologo -nodefaultlib -debug -opt:ref,icf -libpath:"C:\Perl\lib\CORE" -machine:x86' libpth=C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~3\VC98\lib libs= oldnames.lib kernel32.lib user32.lib gdi32.lib winspool.lib comdlg32.lib advapi32.lib shell32.lib ole32.lib netapi32.lib uuid.lib wsock32.lib mpr.lib winmm.lib version.lib odbc32.lib odbccp32.lib msvcrt.lib perllibs= oldnames.lib kernel32.lib user32.lib gdi32.lib winspool.lib comdlg32.lib advapi32.lib shell32.lib ole32. .lib netapi32.lib uuid.lib wsock32.lib mpr.lib winmm.lib version.lib odbc32.lib odbccp32.lib msvcrt.lib libc=msvcrt.lib, so=dll, useshrplib=yes, libperl=perl58.lib gnulibc_version='undef' Dynamic Linking: dlsrc=dl_win32.xs, dlext=dll, d_dlsymun=undef, ccdlflags=' ' cccdlflags=' ', lddlflags='-dll -nologo -nodefaultlib -debug -opt:ref,icf -libpath:"C:\Perl\lib\CORE" -machine:x86 Characteristics of this binary (from libperl): Compile-time options: MULTIPLICITY USE_ITHREADS USE_LARGE_FILES PERL_IMPLICIT_CONTEXT PERL_IMPLICIT_SYS Locally applied patches: ActivePerl Build 809 22218 Remove the caveat about detached threads crashing on Windows 22201 Avoid threads+win32 crash by freeing Perl interpreter slightly later 22169 Display 'out of memeory' errors using low-level I/O 22159 Upgrade to Time::Hires 1.55 22120 Make 'Configure -Dcf_by=...' work 22051 Upgrade to Time::HiRes 1.54 21540 Fix backward-compatibility issues in if.pm Built under MSWin32 Compiled at Feb 3 2004 00:28:51 %ENV: PERLDB_OPTS="RemotePort=127.0.0.1:2000" @INC: C:/Perl/lib C:/Perl/site/lib . much grass -- --------------------------------------- Craig S. Wilson craig@wavefront.net WaveFront Communications, Inc. 1677 Lake Valentine Road Arden Hills MN 55112-2840 1.651.638.9594 1.612.865.8794 -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From matt at omega.org Wed Apr 21 00:45:00 2004 From: matt at omega.org (Matthew Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: DateTime Issue on Windows In-Reply-To: <4085FCE9.9090703@wavefront.net> References: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F821D6B@owa.shavlik.com> <4085FCE9.9090703@wavefront.net> Message-ID: <0768F575-9357-11D8-8238-000A95D92230@omega.org> Hello Mr Craig S. Wilson: @INC only containing the current directory seems suspicious to me. According to your perl -V, the default directories are "C:/Perl/lib","C:/Perl/site/lib","." so somehow this is getting changed. Does your program mess with @INC? What modules/code are you including with 'use' or 'require'? Is the file root.pm at C:/Perl/site/lib/DateTime/Locale/root.pm ? If not where is it? Try printing out @INC at the top of the code and see what you get. Best Regards, -Matt On Apr 20, 2004, at 11:47 PM, Craig S. Wilson wrote: > > I am trying to use DateTime on Windows using ActiveState Perl. I ran > ppm and installed DateTime which also caused DateTime::Locale and > DateTime::TimeZone to be installed. > > My program blows up with > > Can't locate DateTime/Locale/root.pm in @INC (@INC contains: .) at > (eval 47) line 3. > > Any idea what DateTime/Locale/root.pm is or where it is supposed to > come from? > [cut] -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Wed Apr 21 00:52:50 2004 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: DateTime Issue on Windows In-Reply-To: <4085FCE9.9090703@wavefront.net> References: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F821D6B@owa.shavlik.com> <4085FCE9.9090703@wavefront.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Craig S. Wilson wrote: > I am trying to use DateTime on Windows using ActiveState Perl. I ran > ppm and installed DateTime which also caused DateTime::Locale and > DateTime::TimeZone to be installed. > > My program blows up with > > Can't locate DateTime/Locale/root.pm in @INC (@INC contains: .) at (eval > 47) line 3. > > Any idea what DateTime/Locale/root.pm is or where it is supposed to come > from? It should be in the DateTime::Locale package. > Do I need to set some kind of Locale environment variable? LC_ALL? No. Obviously, something didn't get installed properly. I don't know why though. I didn't think there were any PPMs for the DateTime stuff, but you should contact whoever made the PPM you used. -dave /*======================= House Absolute Consulting www.houseabsolute.com =======================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From craig at wavefront.net Wed Apr 21 10:22:09 2004 From: craig at wavefront.net (Craig S. Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: DateTime Issue on Windows In-Reply-To: <0768F575-9357-11D8-8238-000A95D92230@omega.org> References: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F821D6B@owa.shavlik.com> <4085FCE9.9090703@wavefront.net> <0768F575-9357-11D8-8238-000A95D92230@omega.org> Message-ID: <408691A1.4000703@wavefront.net> Matthew Johnson wrote: > Hello Mr Craig S. Wilson: > > @INC only containing the current directory seems suspicious to me. > According to your perl -V, the default directories are > "C:/Perl/lib","C:/Perl/site/lib","." so somehow this is getting changed. > > Does your program mess with @INC? Not mine. > What modules/code are you including with 'use' or 'require'? use strict; use File::Copy "cp"; use Getopt::Long; use DateTime; > Is the file root.pm at C:/Perl/site/lib/DateTime/Locale/root.pm ? If not > where is it? It is there. > Try printing out @INC at the top of the code and see what you get. I had put in code to do that but it blowed up before it would print. Blowed up real good. Strangely enough, the program works this morning. Both as a script and compiled into a .exe. I had been working in Visual Perl/Studio. I had to install DateTime, and I also installed File::Find::Rule since I saw some complaint about that not being available in the test output. I have learned that I cannot install packages with Visual Studio open and have them located so I had exited and restarted VS, but there may be some file system cacheing issue beyond that. Thanks for your help. -- --------------------------------------- Craig S. Wilson craig@wavefront.net WaveFront Communications, Inc. 1677 Lake Valentine Road Arden Hills MN 55112-2840 1.651.638.9594 1.612.865.8794 -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From craig at wavefront.net Wed Apr 21 10:24:23 2004 From: craig at wavefront.net (Craig S. Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: DateTime Issue on Windows In-Reply-To: References: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F821D6B@owa.shavlik.com> <4085FCE9.9090703@wavefront.net> Message-ID: <40869227.3000408@wavefront.net> Dave Rolsky wrote: > Obviously, something didn't get installed properly. I don't know why > though. I didn't think there were any PPMs for the DateTime stuff, but > you should contact whoever made the PPM you used. I am leaning toward a file system cache or Visual Studio 'reference' cache. Please see my response in the other message for more details but the program works this morning. What can I say, it is Windoze. Thanks for your help. -- --------------------------------------- Craig S. Wilson craig@wavefront.net WaveFront Communications, Inc. 1677 Lake Valentine Road Arden Hills MN 55112-2840 1.651.638.9594 1.612.865.8794 -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Wed Apr 21 11:20:15 2004 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: DateTime Issue on Windows In-Reply-To: <408691A1.4000703@wavefront.net> References: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F821D6B@owa.shavlik.com> <4085FCE9.9090703@wavefront.net> <0768F575-9357-11D8-8238-000A95D92230@omega.org> <408691A1.4000703@wavefront.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Craig S. Wilson wrote: > Strangely enough, the program works this morning. Both as a script and > compiled into a .exe. I had been working in Visual Perl/Studio. I had > to install DateTime, and I also installed File::Find::Rule since I saw > some complaint about that not being available in the test output. File::Find::Rule is only used to run some optional tests so that wasn't related. -dave /*======================= House Absolute Consulting www.houseabsolute.com =======================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Sat Apr 24 00:36:53 2004 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Online remote backup for Linux? Message-ID: Is there anyone on the list who can recommend an online backup service for Linux? I'd like something that meets the following criteria: - Not insanely expensive (< $15/month for a reasonable amount of data) - Encrypted during transfer and when stored - Doesn't require weird propietary tools. If it used duplicity, that'd be cool. - Relatively easy to restore, but that's not the most important concern, since hopefully it's not something I'll need often. -dave /*======================= House Absolute Consulting www.houseabsolute.com =======================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From matt at omega.org Sat Apr 24 07:22:15 2004 From: matt at omega.org (Matthew Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Online remote backup for Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <05C69A68-95EA-11D8-A23B-000A95D92230@omega.org> I like rsync with ssh myself. It would work fine in a custom script run by cron to sync your files every few hours. Example: rsync -az -e ssh --delete ~ftp/pub/samba/ nim-bus:"~ftp/pub/tridge/samba" This wouldn't encrypt your info on the remote server though, so that would be something to add. On Apr 24, 2004, at 12:36 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote: > Is there anyone on the list who can recommend an online backup service > for > Linux? > > I'd like something that meets the following criteria: > > - Not insanely expensive (< $15/month for a reasonable amount of data) > > - Encrypted during transfer and when stored > > - Doesn't require weird propietary tools. If it used duplicity, > that'd be > cool. > > - Relatively easy to restore, but that's not the most important > concern, > since hopefully it's not something I'll need often. > > > -dave > > /*======================= > House Absolute Consulting > www.houseabsolute.com > =======================*/ > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From chrome at real-time.com Sat Apr 24 08:45:30 2004 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Online remote backup for Linux? In-Reply-To: <05C69A68-95EA-11D8-A23B-000A95D92230@omega.org>; from matt@omega.org on Sat, Apr 24, 2004 at 07:22:15AM -0500 References: <05C69A68-95EA-11D8-A23B-000A95D92230@omega.org> Message-ID: <20040424084530.D27597@real-time.com> set up another computer with BackupPC. http://backuppc.sourceforge.net/ web-based retrieval interface; uses perl even. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From troy.johnson at myrealbox.com Sat Apr 24 10:02:57 2004 From: troy.johnson at myrealbox.com (Troy Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Online remote backup for Linux? In-Reply-To: <05C69A68-95EA-11D8-A23B-000A95D92230@omega.org> References: <05C69A68-95EA-11D8-A23B-000A95D92230@omega.org> Message-ID: <408A81A1.8020403@myrealbox.com> Dave, I made a reminder instruction page on this: http://www.jdmz.net/ssh/ if it looks like something you'd be interested in. Let us know what you end up using if what you choose works out well. Thanks, Troy Matthew Johnson wrote: > I like rsync with ssh myself. It would work fine in a custom script run > by cron to sync your files every few hours. > Example: > rsync -az -e ssh --delete ~ftp/pub/samba/ > nim-bus:"~ftp/pub/tridge/samba" > > This wouldn't encrypt your info on the remote server though, so that > would be something to add. > On Apr 24, 2004, at 12:36 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote: >> Is there anyone on the list who can recommend an online backup service >> for Linux? >> I'd like something that meets the following criteria: >> - Not insanely expensive (< $15/month for a reasonable amount of data) >> - Encrypted during transfer and when stored >> - Doesn't require weird propietary tools. If it used duplicity, >> that'd be cool. >> - Relatively easy to restore, but that's not the most important concern, >> since hopefully it's not something I'll need often. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Sat Apr 24 11:30:08 2004 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Online remote backup for Linux? In-Reply-To: <05C69A68-95EA-11D8-A23B-000A95D92230@omega.org> References: <05C69A68-95EA-11D8-A23B-000A95D92230@omega.org> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Apr 2004, Matthew Johnson wrote: > I like rsync with ssh myself. It would work fine in a custom script > run by cron to sync your files every few hours. > > Example: > rsync -az -e ssh --delete ~ftp/pub/samba/ > nim-bus:"~ftp/pub/tridge/samba" > > This wouldn't encrypt your info on the remote server though, so that > would be something to add. I know about software to do this. What I need is a place to put the backups. -dave /*======================= House Absolute Consulting www.houseabsolute.com =======================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From shane at aptest.com Mon Apr 26 08:50:35 2004 From: shane at aptest.com (Shane McCarron) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Online remote backup for Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <408D13AB.1080200@aptest.com> How much storage do you need? If it is not a lot (< 500 mb) a good strategy might be to just use a web hosting service that gives shell access and then use duplicity or rsync or whatever to transfer the data. We do this for some clients now using flexbackup (perl-based backup solution). Fairly clean. Dave Rolsky wrote: >Is there anyone on the list who can recommend an online backup service for >Linux? > >I'd like something that meets the following criteria: > >- Not insanely expensive (< $15/month for a reasonable amount of data) > >- Encrypted during transfer and when stored > >- Doesn't require weird propietary tools. If it used duplicity, that'd be >cool. > >- Relatively easy to restore, but that's not the most important concern, >since hopefully it's not something I'll need often. > > >-dave > >/*======================= >House Absolute Consulting >www.houseabsolute.com >=======================*/ > > >-------------------------------------------------- >Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > >To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org >with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > > -- Shane P. McCarron Phone: +1 763 786-8160 x120 Managing Director Fax: +1 763 786-8180 ApTest Minnesota Inet: shane@aptest.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 4770 bytes Desc: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/mpls-pm/attachments/20040426/1d695966/smime.bin From ngraham at urth.org Mon Apr 26 17:19:36 2004 From: ngraham at urth.org (Nathaniel Graham) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Online remote backup for Linux? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040426220245.M45735@urth.org> > Is there anyone on the list who can recommend an online backup > service for Linux? > > I'd like something that meets the following criteria: > > - Not insanely expensive (< $15/month for a reasonable amount of data) > with hard drives costing something like 1/2 penny per megabyte, why would anyone subscribe to an online backup service? -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Mon Apr 26 17:28:44 2004 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Online remote backup for Linux? In-Reply-To: <20040426220245.M45735@urth.org> References: <20040426220245.M45735@urth.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Nathaniel Graham wrote: > > > Is there anyone on the list who can recommend an online backup > > service for Linux? > > > > I'd like something that meets the following criteria: > > > > - Not insanely expensive (< $15/month for a reasonable amount of data) > > > > with hard drives costing something like 1/2 penny per megabyte, why would > anyone subscribe to an online backup service? Because if my house burns down it doesn't matter how many hard drives I have! -dave /*======================= House Absolute Consulting www.houseabsolute.com =======================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Mon Apr 26 17:56:42 2004 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Online remote backup for Linux? In-Reply-To: <408D13AB.1080200@aptest.com> References: <408D13AB.1080200@aptest.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Shane McCarron wrote: > How much storage do you need? If it is not a lot (< 500 mb) a good > strategy might be to just use a web hosting service that gives shell > access and then use duplicity or rsync or whatever to transfer the > data. We do this for some clients now using flexbackup (perl-based > backup solution). Fairly clean. Yeah, I was thinking of doing something like this. You could even split it across multiple webhosts so you could use a whole bunch of free accounts ;) -dave /*======================= House Absolute Consulting www.houseabsolute.com =======================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From ringert at consumption.net Tue Apr 27 09:06:09 2004 From: ringert at consumption.net (Torleiv Flatebo Ringer) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Online remote backup for Linux? In-Reply-To: References: <20040426220245.M45735@urth.org> Message-ID: You could do it the old-fashioned way... I cut CDs of my important data, then place them in two places, one at anther location (like my parent's place) and another I put in a firesafe. torleiv what you said > On Mon, 26 Apr 2004, Nathaniel Graham wrote: > > > > > > Is there anyone on the list who can recommend an online backup > > > service for Linux? > > > > > > I'd like something that meets the following criteria: > > > > > > - Not insanely expensive (< $15/month for a reasonable amount of data) > > > > > > > with hard drives costing something like 1/2 penny per megabyte, why would > > anyone subscribe to an online backup service? > > Because if my house burns down it doesn't matter how many hard drives I > have! > > > -dave > > /*======================= > House Absolute Consulting > www.houseabsolute.com > =======================*/ > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > -- if you're not part of the future then get outta the way -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From mark.allen at shavlik.com Thu Apr 29 13:23:11 2004 From: mark.allen at shavlik.com (Mark Allen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: How to overload $! Message-ID: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F8AA8C3@owa.shavlik.com> I have some LWP::UserAgent code in a module where I'd like to overload $! on failure. Example: my $r=$ua->request($request) if ($r->is_success) { $self->{content} = $r->content; } else { $! = "Something bad happened."; return undef; } perl -wc Foo.pm says "syntax OK!" but in my test program t.pl, when I run it, it says, "Argument "ERROR=3" isn't numeric in scalar assignment at foo/bar/Foo.pm line 237." What's the "right way" to do this? I've been googling for about 30 minutes and not finding the right answer. Thanks! --Mark -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From trammell at el-swifto.com Thu Apr 29 14:01:11 2004 From: trammell at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:59 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: How to overload $! In-Reply-To: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F8AA8C3@owa.shavlik.com> References: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F8AA8C3@owa.shavlik.com> Message-ID: <20040429190111.GA13792@mail.el-swifto.com> On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 01:23:11PM -0500, Mark Allen wrote: > I have some LWP::UserAgent code in a module where I'd like to overload > $! on failure. Looks like you're out of luck; see thread at http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/Message/perl5-porters/2051529 JT -- Rule #0: Spam is theft. Rule #1: Spammers lie. Rule #2: If a spammer seems to be telling the truth, see Rule #1. Rule #3: Spammers are stupid. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From mark.allen at shavlik.com Thu Apr 29 14:48:15 2004 From: mark.allen at shavlik.com (Mark Allen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:30:00 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: How to overload $! Message-ID: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F8AA92D@owa.shavlik.com> Awww, well. Fine. I made $Foo::error instead, in Foo.pm. :P Gets annoying having to remember all the namespaces which declare their own errors... but it sounds like there might be something better in Perl 6 (or 5.10 or whatever :-). Thanks for the note. --Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-mpls@pm.org [mailto:owner-mpls@pm.org] On Behalf Of John J. Trammell Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:01 PM To: mpls@pm.org Subject: Re: [mplspm]: How to overload $! On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 01:23:11PM -0500, Mark Allen wrote: > I have some LWP::UserAgent code in a module where I'd like to overload > $! on failure. Looks like you're out of luck; see thread at http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/Message/perl5-porters/2051529 JT -- Rule #0: Spam is theft. Rule #1: Spammers lie. Rule #2: If a spammer seems to be telling the truth, see Rule #1. Rule #3: Spammers are stupid. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From ken at mathforum.org Thu Apr 29 16:21:47 2004 From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:30:00 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: How to overload $! In-Reply-To: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F8AA92D@owa.shavlik.com> References: <46D0AACFB6ED3A4882B57AFB93EF266F8AA92D@owa.shavlik.com> Message-ID: <38F8B140-9A23-11D8-BA51-000A95BD9874@mathforum.org> On Apr 29, 2004, at 2:48 PM, Mark Allen wrote: > Awww, well. Fine. > > I made $Foo::error instead, in Foo.pm. :P > > Gets annoying having to remember all the namespaces which declare their > own errors... but it sounds like there might be something better in > Perl > 6 (or 5.10 or whatever :-). I tend to use $@ in this situation, which is similarly abusive, but much easier to remember than some new package variable. Also, it reminds you that you'd be better off using exception-style code anyway. =) -Ken -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message.