From selane_97 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 1 07:57:03 2002 From: selane_97 at yahoo.com (Sam Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:43 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Learning Perl and OO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021101135703.60823.qmail@web12702.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I joined this list a couple weeks back because I've been trying to learn Perl on my own. I think I'm coming along okay with the basics, but now I want to try some object oriented, class-type stuff. Can anybody tell me of a good package that is developed as an object that I could get a sense of some of the format/layout for development? Thanks in advance. Sam __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Fri Nov 1 12:02:01 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:43 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Learning Perl and OO In-Reply-To: <20021101135703.60823.qmail@web12702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Sam Lane wrote: > I joined this list a couple weeks back because I've > been trying to learn Perl on my own. I think I'm > coming along okay with the basics, but now I want to > try some object oriented, class-type stuff. Can > anybody tell me of a good package that is developed as > an object that I could get a sense of some of the > format/layout for development? This isn't a direct response to your question, but I'd strongly suggest you read Damian Conway's Object-Oriented Perl book first. -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From selane_97 at yahoo.com Fri Nov 1 14:02:17 2002 From: selane_97 at yahoo.com (Sam Lane) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:43 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Learning Perl and OO In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021101200217.24446.qmail@web12702.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks. I actually already have it on my books to read/get list. However, I need to make some use of it for a class assignment, so I'm kind of in a bind to try and hack it out myself. S. --- Dave Rolsky wrote: > On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Sam Lane wrote: > > > I joined this list a couple weeks back because > I've > > been trying to learn Perl on my own. I think I'm > > coming along okay with the basics, but now I want > to > > try some object oriented, class-type stuff. Can > > anybody tell me of a good package that is > developed as > > an object that I could get a sense of some of the > > format/layout for development? > > This isn't a direct response to your question, but > I'd strongly suggest > you read Damian Conway's Object-Oriented Perl book > first. > > > -dave > > /*================== > www.urth.org > we await the New Sun > ==================*/ > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From shaun at qwest.net Fri Nov 1 14:50:12 2002 From: shaun at qwest.net (Shaun Hawkinson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:43 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Learning Perl and OO In-Reply-To: <20021101200217.24446.qmail@web12702.mail.yahoo.com>; from selane_97@yahoo.com on Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 12:02:17PM -0800 References: <20021101200217.24446.qmail@web12702.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021101145012.A53345@rossi.oss.uswest.net> I'd say to read the perltoot man page. It has a good running example that it builds upon throughout the document based on a "Person" class. It's pretty clear about what telling you to skip certain sections if you're new to OO or Perl. -Shaun ------------------------------------------------------------ Shaun Hawkinson, | shaun@qwest.net | w:612-664-3062 Staff Software | | Development Engineer | shaun@hawkinson.net | p:612-613-5623 ------------------------------------------------------------ Why is a carrot more orange than an orange? -Steven Wright On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 12:02:17PM -0800, Sam Lane wrote: > Thanks. I actually already have it on my books to > read/get list. However, I need to make some use of it > for a class assignment, so I'm kind of in a bind to > try and hack it out myself. > > S. > --- Dave Rolsky wrote: > > On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Sam Lane wrote: > > > > > I joined this list a couple weeks back because > > I've > > > been trying to learn Perl on my own. I think I'm > > > coming along okay with the basics, but now I want > > to > > > try some object oriented, class-type stuff. Can > > > anybody tell me of a good package that is > > developed as > > > an object that I could get a sense of some of the > > > format/layout for development? > > > > This isn't a direct response to your question, but > > I'd strongly suggest > > you read Damian Conway's Object-Oriented Perl book > > first. > > > > > > -dave > > > > /*================== > > www.urth.org > > we await the New Sun > > ==================*/ > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now > http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From ttausend at mn.rr.com Sat Nov 2 10:57:34 2002 From: ttausend at mn.rr.com (Troy E. Hove Tausend) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:43 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Learning Perl and OO References: <20021101200217.24446.qmail@web12702.mail.yahoo.com> <20021101145012.A53345@rossi.oss.uswest.net> Message-ID: <003a01c28290$f1555c80$62d25e18@mn.rr.com> There's also perlboot "Beginner's Object-Oriented Tutorial". It appeared with 5.6 and has an even more fundamentals approach. -- Troy E. Hove Tausend ttausend@mn.rr.com ttausend@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Hawkinson" To: Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [mplspm]: Learning Perl and OO > I'd say to read the perltoot man page. It has a good running example > that it builds upon throughout the document based on a "Person" class. > It's pretty clear about what telling you to skip certain sections if > you're new to OO or Perl. > > -Shaun > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Shaun Hawkinson, | shaun@qwest.net | w:612-664-3062 > Staff Software | | > Development Engineer | shaun@hawkinson.net | p:612-613-5623 > ------------------------------------------------------------ > Why is a carrot more orange than an orange? > -Steven Wright > > On Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 12:02:17PM -0800, Sam Lane wrote: <--snip--> > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From Robert.C.Young at seagate.com Thu Nov 7 12:59:04 2002 From: Robert.C.Young at seagate.com (Robert.C.Young@seagate.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:43 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Perl Training Message-ID: I am looking for some local perl training and I am soliciting feedback on any experience you may have with local vendors. I need a beginning perl course, and I have not quite 2 years working in Unix & NT environments. I have no C, Java, nor HTML experience, so I think I will fare best with a program without those prerequisites. Thanks in advance. Bob Young Data Systems Administrator Seagate Technology, LLC -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From keithm at holmescorp.com Thu Nov 7 15:36:00 2002 From: keithm at holmescorp.com (Keith Miner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Perl Training In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001f01c286a5$aade33d0$2f02010a@KeithMiner> Some of my staff and I have had good experience with Euler Solutions Inc. You can read about their Perl classes at http://www.euler.com/training/perl.html And see their schedule & pricing at http://www.euler.com/training/classSchedule.html Keith Miner Director, Courseware Development Holmes Corporation 1279 Trapp Road Eagan, MN 55121-1254 (651) 905-2650 keithm@holmescorp.com www.holmescorp.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-mpls@pm.org [mailto:owner-mpls@pm.org] On Behalf Of Robert.C.Young@seagate.com Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 12:59 PM To: mpls@pm.org Subject: [mplspm]: Perl Training I am looking for some local perl training and I am soliciting feedback on any experience you may have with local vendors. I need a beginning perl course, and I have not quite 2 years working in Unix & NT environments. I have no C, Java, nor HTML experience, so I think I will fare best with a program without those prerequisites. Thanks in advance. Bob Young Data Systems Administrator Seagate Technology, LLC -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From Robert.C.Young at seagate.com Thu Nov 7 16:38:04 2002 From: Robert.C.Young at seagate.com (Robert.C.Young@seagate.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Perl Training Message-ID: Thanks Keith. I took my beginning & intermediate Unix classes there, too. "Keith Miner" scorp.com> cc: Sent by: Subject: RE: [mplspm]: Perl Training owner-mpls@pm .org No Phone Info Available 11/07/2002 03:36 PM Please respond to mpls Some of my staff and I have had good experience with Euler Solutions Inc. You can read about their Perl classes at http://www.euler.com/training/perl.html And see their schedule & pricing at http://www.euler.com/training/classSchedule.html Keith Miner Director, Courseware Development Holmes Corporation 1279 Trapp Road Eagan, MN 55121-1254 (651) 905-2650 keithm@holmescorp.com www.holmescorp.com -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From wilcoxon at bridge.com Tue Nov 12 15:52:41 2002 From: wilcoxon at bridge.com (Stephen R. Wilcoxon) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: A project for MPM In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:51:41 CST." References: Message-ID: <200211122152.QAA03375@mnmailhost> On Tue 2002/10/29 22:51:41 CST, Dave Rolsky writes: > If there's any takers for #1, here's a reasonably complete list of > "interesting" Perl date/time modules along with my comments about them: > > - Time::Piece (and Time::Seconds) - nice interface, nice simply date math, > but only handles epoch times, which is a drag. See also my > Time::Piece::MySQL module, which adds some mysql-specific bits. Similar > modules for other DBs/external resources can be added just as easily. Never used this one. > - Class::Date & Date::Handler - kind of like Time::Piece on steroids, but > I don't see why they can't all be integrated. Never used these either. > - Date::Manip - ridiculously large amount of code. crapulous interface. > freaking brilliant parsing code that handles things like "2nd day after > next Tuesday" or "the first day of the last week of the next month". Also > has some internationalization bits for parsing, which is doubly slick. If > this thing could return a Time::Piece object (and T::P handled times > outside of the epoch), I'd be in heaven. IME, it's by far the most complete and most versatile Date module. Unfortunately, it has one drawback - it's SLOW. > - Date::Calc - lots of nice date math functions. Stupid interface > (Function_Names_Like_This). Written in C so presumably its fast. Interface is easy to get used to. I wrote an extension to Date::Calc for handling holiday data obtained from a database (instead of files), plus handling other things we needed. I evaluated Date::Calc, Date::Manip, and at least one other (can't remember) and went with Date::Calc because we needed the speed (it's MUCH faster than Date::Manip). > -- Date::Calc::Object - OO interface over Date::Calc. Interesting. Also > has Date delta objects. Cool! Works with Date::Calc functions, which > have stupid names, but making a wrapper for that wouldn't be too hard. Looked at it some. I haven't used it as it didn't fit anything I needed any better than Date::Calc. > -- Date::Calendar - seems quite useful Yep. Date::Calendar::Profiles is very nice as well (but missing alot of data). By the way, does anybody know of a programmatic way of calculating the equinoxes and/or chinese new year? > - Date::Parse - lightweight so it's a good choice if you know that you'll > never exceed its limitations. But those limitations are pretty big cause > it doesn't do much. Haven't used. > - Date::Format - basically strftime in Perl. Time::Piece provides the > same thing. Nice for what it does. [snip] Haven't used any of the other specific ones Dave listed. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Tue Nov 12 18:04:07 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? Message-ID: So here's the question. Are meetings the _4th_ Wednesday of the month or the last Wednesday of the month? These two are often, but not always, the same day. I'm not sure why we picked that though, because it will consistently end up falling around Thanksgiving, Christmas, and or New Year's. In fact, this month we'd be on the night before Thanksgiving and then in December it'd be Christmas, so we probably wouldn't meet til January, which is kind of lame. I hate to bring this up _again_, but could we consider moving it to an earlier Wednesday? I can't find any conflicting tech meetings on Wednesdays, so this seems like a possibility. Just moving to the 3rd Wednesday of the month would avoid a holiday conflicts this year (and next, and the year after). -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From James.FitzGibbon at target.com Tue Nov 12 18:45:15 2002 From: James.FitzGibbon at target.com (James.FitzGibbon) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? Message-ID: use Quantum::Superpositions; print "this month's meeting will be held on the "; $wednesday = any( qw|3rd 4th last| ); if( $wednesday eq '3rd' ) { print "3rd"; } elsif( $wednesday eq '4th' ) { print "4th"; } elsif( $wednesday eq 'last' ) { print "last"; } print " wednesday.\n"; -- j. James FitzGibbon Consultant, Ajilon Services, TTS-3D@CC-950 james.fitzgibbon@target.com voice/fax 612-304-6161/3277 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Rolsky [mailto:autarch@urth.org] > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2002 6:04 PM > To: mpls@pm.org > Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? > > > So here's the question. Are meetings the _4th_ Wednesday of > the month or > the last Wednesday of the month? These two are often, but > not always, the > same day. > > I'm not sure why we picked that though, because it will > consistently end > up falling around Thanksgiving, Christmas, and or New Year's. > In fact, > this month we'd be on the night before Thanksgiving and then > in December > it'd be Christmas, so we probably wouldn't meet til January, > which is kind > of lame. > > I hate to bring this up _again_, but could we consider moving it to an > earlier Wednesday? I can't find any conflicting tech meetings on > Wednesdays, so this seems like a possibility. Just moving to the 3rd > Wednesday of the month would avoid a holiday conflicts this year (and > next, and the year after). > > > -dave > > /*================== > www.urth.org > we await the New Sun > ==================*/ > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From troy.johnson at myrealbox.com Tue Nov 12 20:54:48 2002 From: troy.johnson at myrealbox.com (Troy Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? References: Message-ID: <3DD1BEF8.3070206@myrealbox.com> Fine with me. Dave Rolsky wrote: > So here's the question. Are meetings the _4th_ Wednesday of the month or > the last Wednesday of the month? These two are often, but not always, the > same day. > > I'm not sure why we picked that though, because it will consistently end > up falling around Thanksgiving, Christmas, and or New Year's. In fact, > this month we'd be on the night before Thanksgiving and then in December > it'd be Christmas, so we probably wouldn't meet til January, which is kind > of lame. > > I hate to bring this up _again_, but could we consider moving it to an > earlier Wednesday? I can't find any conflicting tech meetings on > Wednesdays, so this seems like a possibility. Just moving to the 3rd > Wednesday of the month would avoid a holiday conflicts this year (and > next, and the year after). > > > -dave > > /*================== > www.urth.org > we await the New Sun > ==================*/ > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From siegler at visi.com Wed Nov 13 02:36:37 2002 From: siegler at visi.com (Chris Siegler) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021113083637.GA2536@localhost.localdomain> Dave Rolsky wrote: > ... > I hate to bring this up _again_, but could we consider moving it to an > earlier Wednesday? I can't find any conflicting tech meetings on > Wednesdays, so this seems like a possibility. Just moving to the 3rd > Wednesday of the month would avoid a holiday conflicts this year (and > next, and the year after). > Sounds good. Then this month's meeting would be next wednesday, Nov 20. How has the Cafe worked out as a meeting place? Sounds like a good spot except for the no beer (and no tv make homer something something). Hope to make the next meeting! Chris -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From james at ehlo.com Wed Nov 13 05:38:10 2002 From: james at ehlo.com (James FitzGibbon) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: <20021113083637.GA2536@localhost.localdomain> References: <20021113083637.GA2536@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: <20021113113810.GA91175@ehlo.com> * Chris Siegler (siegler@visi.com) [021113 02:54]: > How has the Cafe worked out as a meeting place? Sounds like a good spot > except for the no beer (and no tv make homer something something). I've been told by a neighbor that Eli's (the restaurant/bar beside Espresso Royale) isn't too bad. I think that means "isn't too good" at the same time, but it's an idea (start at one, end at the other?) -- j. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From jim at acadcam.com Wed Nov 13 09:19:44 2002 From: jim at acadcam.com (Jim Anderson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: ; from autarch@urth.org on Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 06:04:07PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20021113091943.A19684@acadcam.com> On Tue, Nov 12, 2002 at 06:04:07PM -0600, Dave Rolsky wrote: > I hate to bring this up _again_, but could we consider moving it to an > earlier Wednesday? I can't find any conflicting tech meetings on > Wednesdays, so this seems like a possibility. Just moving to the 3rd > Wednesday of the month would avoid a holiday conflicts this year (and > next, and the year after). I haven't been to the PM meetings since they've moved downtown, and probably won't attend until they move out of downtown, but third Wednesday conflicts with SIGBAP (an offshoot of the Unix Users of Minnesota, Special Interest Group on Beer And Pizza). UUM meets the first Wed of the month, SIGBAP the third Wed. What about the third Monday? -- Jim Anderson (612) 782-0456 jim@acadcam.com Anderson CAD/CAM, Inc Lucifer designed MS-DOS to try 3800 Apache Lane NE men's souls. St Anthony, MN 55421 Then he had a better idea... -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Wed Nov 13 15:32:34 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: <20021113091943.A19684@acadcam.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Jim Anderson wrote: > I haven't been to the PM meetings since they've moved downtown, and > probably won't attend until they move out of downtown, but third Wednesday > conflicts with SIGBAP (an offshoot of the Unix Users of Minnesota, Special > Interest Group on Beer And Pizza). UUM meets the first Wed of the month, > SIGBAP the third Wed. > > What about the third Monday? This is what I was hoping to avoid. I think broadening this discussion to suggest different days is asking for trouble. Pretty much any given day of the week we pick will be bad for some people for various reasons. Wednesday seems to have worked out reasonably well so far, based on attendance the past couple months. I think the important thing to do is avoid holidays and other related events. So are there any folks currently on the list interested in coming to a meeting who also go to SIGBAP? -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From ken at mathforum.org Wed Nov 13 18:08:20 2002 From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <2F173B24-F765-11D6-BF9C-0003939C4354@mathforum.org> On Thursday, November 14, 2002, at 08:32 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote: > On Wed, 13 Nov 2002, Jim Anderson wrote: > >> I haven't been to the PM meetings since they've moved downtown, and >> probably won't attend until they move out of downtown, but >> third Wednesday >> conflicts with SIGBAP (an offshoot of the Unix Users of >> Minnesota, Special >> Interest Group on Beer And Pizza). UUM meets the first Wed of >> the month, >> SIGBAP the third Wed. >> >> What about the third Monday? > > This is what I was hoping to avoid. I think broadening this > discussion to > suggest different days is asking for trouble. Yeah - for instance, I could pretty much never attend on a Monday. -Ken -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From craig at wavefront.net Thu Nov 14 22:50:27 2002 From: craig at wavefront.net (Craig S. Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: <20021113091943.A19684@acadcam.com> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021114224926.02d9ff98@127.0.0.1> At 09:19 AM 11/13/2002 -0600, you wrote: >I haven't been to the PM meetings since they've moved downtown, and >probably won't attend until they move out of downtown, but third Wednesday >conflicts with SIGBAP (an offshoot of the Unix Users of Minnesota, Special >Interest Group on Beer And Pizza). UUM meets the first Wed of the month, >SIGBAP the third Wed. > >What about the third Monday? Damn! Is SIGBAP still meeting?? I haven't been to one of those since Perry's lost their liquor license. How many people show up at a SIGBAP? ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig S. Wilson craig@wavefront.com 651-638-9594 612-865-8794 (cell) -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From craig at wavefront.net Thu Nov 14 22:53:14 2002 From: craig at wavefront.net (Craig S. Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: <20021113083637.GA2536@localhost.localdomain> References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021114225228.02eba1a0@127.0.0.1> At 02:36 AM 11/13/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Sounds good. Then this month's meeting would be next wednesday, Nov 20. > >How has the Cafe worked out as a meeting place? Sounds like a good spot >except for the no beer (and no tv make homer something something). Parking is usually a pain. The Dunn Brothers over off Washington Avenue has better parking. Still no beer, though. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig S. Wilson craig@wavefront.com 651-638-9594 612-865-8794 (cell) -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From craig at wavefront.net Thu Nov 14 22:54:20 2002 From: craig at wavefront.net (Craig S. Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021114225400.02c90ed0@127.0.0.1> At 06:04 PM 11/12/2002 -0600, you wrote: >I hate to bring this up _again_, but could we consider moving it to an >earlier Wednesday? I can't find any conflicting tech meetings on >Wednesdays, so this seems like a possibility. Just moving to the 3rd >Wednesday of the month would avoid a holiday conflicts this year (and >next, and the year after). Third Wednesday would be fine with me. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig S. Wilson craig@wavefront.com 651-638-9594 612-865-8794 (cell) -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Sat Nov 16 22:17:48 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: <15828.52337.959213.42300@celery.zuhause.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Bruce Albrecht wrote: > I haven't attended a PM meeting since it moved downtown either, but I > sporadically attend both it and UUM's SIGBAP. If you're going to move > it to an earlier Wednesday, I suggest you switch to the second > Wednesday of the month, which will be in between the regular UUM > meeting and the SIGBAP meeting. Obviously, you've missed the window > for this month, but I'd vote for the second Wednesday for future > months. The second Wednesday seems reasonable to me. This month is less of an issue since it's just the night before Thanksgiving, and probably some people will still show. Next month would be bad, because it would be Christmas day. So any objections to the _second_ Tuesday of the month? -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Sat Nov 16 22:21:02 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting: Wednesday, November 27 @ 7 PM: Espresso Royale Message-ID: Ok, this month's meeting is unchanged so it'll be at the above time and place. If people want to change the location, let's discuss that for next month as well. The key issues for location (for me) are: - Not too loud - Non-smoking - Easy to arrange chairs/table/whatever into circle/square/something like that (Barley John's was actually so small that this didn't work out too well unless we were outside, for example). - In a location that is reachable by bus or alternately, a willing chauffeur ;) -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From thomas at stderr.net Sat Nov 16 22:56:16 2002 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting: Wednesday, November 27 @ 7 PM: Espresso Royale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021117045616.GA27000@pasiphae.stderr.net> On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 10:21:02PM -0600, Dave Rolsky wrote: > Ok, this month's meeting is unchanged so it'll be at the above time and > place. > > If people want to change the location, let's discuss that for next month > as well. The key issues for location (for me) are: > > - Not too loud > > - Non-smoking Two important issues for me too. > - Easy to arrange chairs/table/whatever into circle/square/something like > that (Barley John's was actually so small that this didn't work out too > well unless we were outside, for example). But barley johns is within walking distance to me! (Currently anyway). But yes, it is indeed to small, too loud, and there's loads of smoke :-/ Espresso Royale is pretty decent and I can live without beer, so unless they turn up the music even louder I think it's a good place to go. (see you all at the next meeting again, I'm going to be in Denmark from 21st nov to 4th dec) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer !(C) Putting the HEST in .COM -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From ken at mathforum.org Sun Nov 17 03:13:16 2002 From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sunday, November 17, 2002, at 03:17 PM, Dave Rolsky wrote: > On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Bruce Albrecht wrote: > >> I haven't attended a PM meeting since it moved downtown either, but I >> sporadically attend both it and UUM's SIGBAP. If you're going to move >> it to an earlier Wednesday, I suggest you switch to the second >> Wednesday of the month, which will be in between the regular UUM >> meeting and the SIGBAP meeting. Obviously, you've missed the window >> for this month, but I'd vote for the second Wednesday for future >> months. > > The second Wednesday seems reasonable to me. This month is less of an > issue since it's just the night before Thanksgiving, and probably some > people will still show. Next month would be bad, because it would be > Christmas day. > > So any objections to the _second_ Tuesday of the month? Care to revise that statement? s/Tu/Wedn/ ? -Ken -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Sun Nov 17 10:01:58 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Ken Williams wrote: > > So any objections to the _second_ Tuesday of the month? > > Care to revise that statement? s/Tu/Wedn/ ? Right, Wednesday. Doh! -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From craig at wavefront.net Mon Nov 18 09:26:04 2002 From: craig at wavefront.net (Craig S. Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021118091842.02e41130@127.0.0.1> At 10:01 AM 11/17/2002 -0600, you wrote: >On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Ken Williams wrote: > > > > So any objections to the _second_ Tuesday of the month? > > > > Care to revise that statement? s/Tu/Wedn/ ? > >Right, Wednesday. Doh! Second Wednesday of the month would be fine with me. One thought about an alternative site. The Dunn Brothers Coffee shop on the corner of Fifth and Wabasha in St. Paul has lots of chairs, a fireplace, and a wireless network available to customers. I believe that they are open in the evening, but would need to check. It is never smoky and if the music were too loud I am sure they would accommodate us and turn it down. Parking shouldn't be too big a deal because the meters stop at 4:30 PM and everyone knows that St. Paul is dead at night, as long as there isn't a Wild game on. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig S. Wilson craig@wavefront.com 651-638-9594 612-865-8794 (cell) -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From thomas at stderr.net Mon Nov 18 10:31:06 2002 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021118091842.02e41130@127.0.0.1> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021118091842.02e41130@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20021118163106.GJ1681@pasiphae.stderr.net> On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 09:26:04AM -0600, Craig S. Wilson wrote: > One thought about an alternative site. The Dunn Brothers Coffee shop on > the corner of Fifth and Wabasha in St. Paul has lots of chairs, a > fireplace, and a wireless network available to customers. I believe that > they are open in the evening, but would need to check. It is never smoky > and if the music were too loud I am sure they would accommodate us and turn > it down. I'd like to try this place one time, what do other people think? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer !(C) Putting the HEST in .COM -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From lach at lach.net Mon Nov 18 10:37:03 2002 From: lach at lach.net (Lachlan Dunlop) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? Message-ID: <200211181750.gAIHoA619779@mail.pm.org> Hi guys, I am all over this. Lets meet @ fifth & Wabasha Lach At Mon Nov 18 10:31:00 -0600 2002, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 09:26:04AM -0600, Craig S. Wilson wrote: > > One thought about an alternative site. The Dunn Brothers Coffee shop on > > the corner of Fifth and Wabasha in St. Paul has lots of chairs, a > > fireplace, and a wireless network available to customers. I believe that > > they are open in the evening, but would need to check. It is never smoky > > and if the music were too loud I am sure they would accommodate us and turn > > it down. > > I'd like to try this place one time, what do other people think? > > -- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > mod_pointer > !(C) > Putting the HEST in .COM > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From don_dresser at lcvef.org Mon Nov 18 11:05:35 2002 From: don_dresser at lcvef.org (Don Dresser) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? References: <200211181750.gAIHoA619779@mail.pm.org> Message-ID: <3DD91DDF.9070804@lcvef.org> Hello, I am new to the list - but can at least verify that I have frequently seen Dunn Brothers in St. Paul open until 8 or 9 pm. They have changed evening hours occasionally - but, since I will be near there at lunch time, I can (and will unless I hear otherwise) check to be sure on how late they stay open on Wed. evenings. Don Dresser Regional Technology Manager League of Conservation Voters Education Fund Lachlan Dunlop wrote: > Hi guys, > > I am all over this. Lets meet @ fifth & Wabasha > > Lach > At Mon Nov 18 10:31:00 -0600 2002, Thomas Eibner wrote: > >>On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 09:26:04AM -0600, Craig S. Wilson wrote: >> >>>One thought about an alternative site. The Dunn Brothers Coffee shop on >>>the corner of Fifth and Wabasha in St. Paul has lots of chairs, a >>>fireplace, and a wireless network available to customers. I believe that >>>they are open in the evening, but would need to check. It is never smoky >>>and if the music were too loud I am sure they would accommodate us and turn >>>it down. >> >>I'd like to try this place one time, what do other people think? >> >>-- >> Thomas Eibner DnsZone >> mod_pointer >> !(C) >> Putting the HEST in .COM >> >> >>-------------------------------------------------- >>Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list >> >>To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org >>with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From mhelle at mnmailhost.bridge.com Mon Nov 18 11:11:28 2002 From: mhelle at mnmailhost.bridge.com (Mitchell Helle-Morrissey) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021118091842.02e41130@127.0.0.1> <20021118163106.GJ1681@pasiphae.stderr.net> Message-ID: <001501c28f25$88e73190$91a87618@frodo> That's close to Reuters, so I'd probably go if it was in St. Paul. Mitch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Eibner" To: Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 09:26:04AM -0600, Craig S. Wilson wrote: > > One thought about an alternative site. The Dunn Brothers Coffee shop on > > the corner of Fifth and Wabasha in St. Paul has lots of chairs, a > > fireplace, and a wireless network available to customers. I believe that > > they are open in the evening, but would need to check. It is never smoky > > and if the music were too loud I am sure they would accommodate us and turn > > it down. > > I'd like to try this place one time, what do other people think? > > -- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > mod_pointer > !(C) > Putting the HEST in .COM > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > > -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Mon Nov 18 11:36:29 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: <20021118163106.GJ1681@pasiphae.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 09:26:04AM -0600, Craig S. Wilson wrote: > > One thought about an alternative site. The Dunn Brothers Coffee shop on > > the corner of Fifth and Wabasha in St. Paul has lots of chairs, a > > fireplace, and a wireless network available to customers. I believe that > > they are open in the evening, but would need to check. It is never smoky > > and if the music were too loud I am sure they would accommodate us and turn > > it down. > > I'd like to try this place one time, what do other people think? Well, I'm psyched for any place with wireless because then we wouldn't have to actually talk to each other, we could just use IRC and sit in different places in the coffee shop! Cool! People scare me! Seriously, this sound cool and I'm fine with it if somebody is willing to give me a ride there. My wife has the car on Wednesday evenings and taking the bus to St. Paul in the evening is not convenient. -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From ringert at consumption.net Mon Nov 18 15:24:28 2002 From: ringert at consumption.net (Torleiv Flatebo Ringer) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: <20021118163106.GJ1681@pasiphae.stderr.net> Message-ID: If the meeting were in St. Paul, I could go more often. torleiv what you said > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 09:26:04AM -0600, Craig S. Wilson wrote: > > One thought about an alternative site. The Dunn Brothers Coffee shop on > > the corner of Fifth and Wabasha in St. Paul has lots of chairs, a > > fireplace, and a wireless network available to customers. I believe that > > they are open in the evening, but would need to check. It is never smoky > > and if the music were too loud I am sure they would accommodate us and turn > > it down. > > I'd like to try this place one time, what do other people think? > > -- if you're not part of the future then get outta the way -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From thomas at stderr.net Mon Nov 18 15:38:17 2002 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: References: <20021118163106.GJ1681@pasiphae.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20021118213817.GO1681@pasiphae.stderr.net> On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:24:28PM -0800, Torleiv Flatebo Ringer wrote: > If the meeting were in St. Paul, I could go more often. Before it gets out of hand, let's not forget we are Minneapolis.pm :-) -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer !(C) Putting the HEST in .COM -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From jim at acadcam.com Mon Nov 18 15:48:18 2002 From: jim at acadcam.com (Jim Anderson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: <20021118213817.GO1681@pasiphae.stderr.net>; from thomas@stderr.net on Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 03:38:17PM -0600 References: <20021118163106.GJ1681@pasiphae.stderr.net> <20021118213817.GO1681@pasiphae.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20021118154817.A10776@acadcam.com> On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 03:38:17PM -0600, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:24:28PM -0800, Torleiv Flatebo Ringer wrote: > > If the meeting were in St. Paul, I could go more often. > > Before it gets out of hand, let's not forget we are Minneapolis.pm :-) > > -- > Thomas Eibner DnsZone > mod_pointer > !(C) > Putting the HEST in .COM Thus says the guy with .dk's all over his .signature... But unless it's specifically relevant, I often use St. Paul and Minneapolis interchangeably. And on back to the original topic. Last week, Dave announced the meeting to be next Wednesday in downtown Minneapolis. Now the discussion seems to be that the Dunn Bros in downtown St. Paul is a better option. As I might be able to make it that evening, and I dislike parking in downtown Minneapolis (crowded, and large vehicles don't park so well), I'll put in a vote to move to St. Paul this month. Anybody want to make it official? -- Jim Anderson (612) 782-0456 jim@acadcam.com Anderson CAD/CAM, Inc Lucifer designed MS-DOS to try 3800 Apache Lane NE men's souls. St Anthony, MN 55421 Then he had a better idea... -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From don_dresser at lcvef.org Mon Nov 18 16:05:27 2002 From: don_dresser at lcvef.org (Don Dresser) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? References: <200211181750.gAIHoA619779@mail.pm.org> <3DD91DDF.9070804@lcvef.org> Message-ID: <3DD96427.703@lcvef.org> As promised, Dunn Bros closing hours M-Sat. 9:00 pm Sunday 3:00 pm I think that is a "We lock the doors, want everyone out, and hope to have employees out the door" closing time, not a "No new orders after this time, but people can linger until they finish their stuff" closing time. In any case, that should be plenty late (unless someone proposes shifting the day of the meeting to Sundays). DD Don Dresser wrote: > Hello, > > I am new to the list - but can at least verify that I have frequently > seen Dunn Brothers in St. Paul open until 8 or 9 pm. They have changed > evening hours occasionally - but, since I will be near there at lunch > time, I can (and will unless I hear otherwise) check to be sure on how > late they stay open on Wed. evenings. > > Don Dresser > Regional Technology Manager > League of Conservation Voters Education Fund > > > Lachlan Dunlop wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> I am all over this. Lets meet @ fifth & Wabasha >> >> Lach >> At Mon Nov 18 10:31:00 -0600 2002, Thomas Eibner >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 09:26:04AM -0600, Craig S. Wilson wrote: >>> >>>> One thought about an alternative site. The Dunn Brothers Coffee >>>> shop on the corner of Fifth and Wabasha in St. Paul has lots of >>>> chairs, a fireplace, and a wireless network available to >>>> customers. I believe that they are open in the evening, but would >>>> need to check. It is never smoky and if the music were too loud I >>>> am sure they would accommodate us and turn it down. >>> >>> >>> I'd like to try this place one time, what do other people think? >>> >>> -- >>> Thomas Eibner DnsZone >>> mod_pointer >>> !(C) >>> Putting the HEST in .COM >>> >>> >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list >>> >>> To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org >>> with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. >> >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list >> >> To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org >> with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. >> > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Mon Nov 18 16:50:07 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: <20021118213817.GO1681@pasiphae.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Thomas Eibner wrote: > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:24:28PM -0800, Torleiv Flatebo Ringer wrote: > > If the meeting were in St. Paul, I could go more often. > > Before it gets out of hand, let's not forget we are Minneapolis.pm :-) And I'm sure that there are plenty of people who live/work in Mpls and its western suburbs who will find St. Paul inconvenient. One possibility might be to alternate. Let's talk about this a bit more at the next meeting, though the sample that shows up there might be self-selecting. -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Mon Nov 18 16:53:36 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: <20021118154817.A10776@acadcam.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Jim Anderson wrote: > And on back to the original topic. Last week, Dave announced the meeting > to be next Wednesday in downtown Minneapolis. Now the discussion seems > to be that the Dunn Bros in downtown St. Paul is a better option. As I > might be able to make it that evening, and I dislike parking in downtown > Minneapolis (crowded, and large vehicles don't park so well), I'll put > in a vote to move to St. Paul this month. Anybody want to make it > official? No, it's not moving this month. Too late, I already called it. Phhhbbbbtt! Any discussion of a new venue and date is solely for December and onwards. -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From James.FitzGibbon at target.com Mon Nov 18 17:20:35 2002 From: James.FitzGibbon at target.com (James.FitzGibbon) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? Message-ID: Let's just split the difference. Anchor a barge somewhere on the river. -- j. James FitzGibbon Consultant, Ajilon Services, TTS-3D@CC-950 james.fitzgibbon@target.com voice/fax 612-304-6161/3277 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Rolsky [mailto:autarch@urth.org] > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 4:50 PM > To: mpls@pm.org > Subject: Re: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? > > > On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:24:28PM -0800, Torleiv Flatebo > Ringer wrote: > > > If the meeting were in St. Paul, I could go more often. > > > > Before it gets out of hand, let's not forget we are > Minneapolis.pm :-) > > And I'm sure that there are plenty of people who live/work in > Mpls and its > western suburbs who will find St. Paul inconvenient. One possibility > might be to alternate. Let's talk about this a bit more at the next > meeting, though the sample that shows up there might be > self-selecting. > > > -dave > > /*================== > www.urth.org > we await the New Sun > ==================*/ > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From craig at wavefront.net Tue Nov 19 13:07:08 2002 From: craig at wavefront.net (Craig S. Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021119125902.020cdfe0@127.0.0.1> At 05:20 PM 11/18/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Let's just split the difference. Anchor a barge somewhere on the river. I am surprised that someone hasn't built a restaurant / coffee shop / meeting facility that straddles the city lines and has an address in both Minneapolis and St. Paul. This issue arises in almost all groups that I have been involved with. When I would call a 'Guerillas in the MISTA' meetings, I would alternate between Chang O'Hara's in St. Paul and Sgt Preston's in Minneapolis. Fact of the matter is that once you are in your car and moving, at that time of night, the distance from Minneapolis to St. Paul is six or seven minutes. Surprisingly enough, the distance from St. Paul to Minneapolis is about the same. If someone needing a ride lives anywhere between Arden Hills (north of Roseville) and wherever the meeting is being held, please let me know. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig S. Wilson craig@wavefront.com 651-638-9594 612-865-8794 (cell) -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From thomas at stderr.net Tue Nov 19 13:33:31 2002 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021119125902.020cdfe0@127.0.0.1> References: <5.1.0.14.2.20021119125902.020cdfe0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20021119193331.GT1681@pasiphae.stderr.net> On Tue, Nov 19, 2002 at 01:07:08PM -0600, Craig S. Wilson wrote: > If someone needing a ride lives anywhere between Arden Hills (north of > Roseville) and wherever the meeting is being held, please let me know. I live in New Brighton and would be able to offer the same ride. We might even pool? -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer !(C) Putting the HEST in .COM -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Tue Nov 19 13:45:02 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021119125902.020cdfe0@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: On Tue, 19 Nov 2002, Craig S. Wilson wrote: > Fact of the matter is that once you are in your car and moving, at that > time of night, the distance from Minneapolis to St. Paul is six or seven > minutes. Surprisingly enough, the distance from St. Paul to Minneapolis is > about the same. Very true. Unfortunately, I won't have access to a car on Wednesday evenings for the forseeable future. The Espresso Royale on Hennepin is very easy to get to by bus, because I live 2 blocks from Hennepin in Uptown, so it's a one bus trip, which is pretty important as it gets colder. Of course, if I can get a ride from someone, that's preferable. -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From matt at omega.org Sun Nov 24 08:39:24 2002 From: matt at omega.org (Matthew Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? References: Message-ID: <006d01c293c7$4c2519b0$6401a8c0@rip> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James.FitzGibbon" To: Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 5:20 PM Subject: RE: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? > Let's just split the difference. Anchor a barge somewhere on the river. > > -- > j. > > James FitzGibbon > Consultant, Ajilon Services, TTS-3D@CC-950 > james.fitzgibbon@target.com > voice/fax 612-304-6161/3277 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dave Rolsky [mailto:autarch@urth.org] > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 4:50 PM > > To: mpls@pm.org > > Subject: Re: [mplspm]: Next meeting?? > > > > > > On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 01:24:28PM -0800, Torleiv Flatebo > > Ringer wrote: > > > > If the meeting were in St. Paul, I could go more often. > > > > > > Before it gets out of hand, let's not forget we are > > Minneapolis.pm :-) > > > > And I'm sure that there are plenty of people who live/work in > > Mpls and its > > western suburbs who will find St. Paul inconvenient. One possibility > > might be to alternate. Let's talk about this a bit more at the next > > meeting, though the sample that shows up there might be > > self-selecting. > > > > > > -dave > > > > /*================== > > www.urth.org > > we await the New Sun > > ==================*/ > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list > > To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org > with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From troy.johnson at myrealbox.com Wed Nov 27 13:23:32 2002 From: troy.johnson at myrealbox.com (Troy Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Meeting Today? Message-ID: <3DE51BB4.7030301@myrealbox.com> Just checking. Is it today? -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Wed Nov 27 13:42:36 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Meeting Today? In-Reply-To: <3DE51BB4.7030301@myrealbox.com> References: <3DE51BB4.7030301@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 27 Nov 2002, Troy Johnson wrote: > Just checking. Is it today? Indeed 7 pm @ Espresso Royale. /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Wed Nov 27 13:45:54 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Ride tonight? Message-ID: Can someone give me a ride from Uptown to Espresso Royale tonight? -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From troy.johnson at myrealbox.com Wed Nov 27 15:01:29 2002 From: troy.johnson at myrealbox.com (Troy Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Ride tonight? References: Message-ID: <3DE532A9.2030309@myrealbox.com> That answers my question. Dave Rolsky wrote: > Can someone give me a ride from Uptown to Espresso Royale tonight? -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From craig at wavefront.net Wed Nov 27 18:30:21 2002 From: craig at wavefront.net (Craig S. Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Ride tonight? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021127183009.0351dcc0@127.0.0.1> At 01:45 PM 11/27/2002 -0600, you wrote: >Can someone give me a ride from Uptown to Espresso Royale tonight? Did you find a ride yet? ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig S. Wilson craig@wavefront.net 651-638-9594 612-865-8794 (cell) -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From matt at omega.org Wed Nov 27 21:55:44 2002 From: matt at omega.org (Matthew Johnson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Dude, who sole my perl book? References: <3DE51BB4.7030301@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <018201c29692$071b0c80$6401a8c0@rip> - Perl Mongers Nov 27th, 2002 Summary -- Hello Everyone in Mpls Mongerland. Matthew Johnson here. We just finished with the Thanksgiving version of a perl monger meeting...well ok it isn't much different from a regular version except you are required to leave early. Topics tonight were wireless access devices, science fiction authors, old Ethernet networking, mall of america, encryption, coffee houses, thanksgiving plans, movies, life in Japan, Hawaii, Taiwan, the perl job market, ISPs, toilets, slicing secretary of state's voter registration data, perl on *shutter* windows, newsgroups, thicknet, and I'm sure other stuff that was talked about before I arrived. Present where Dave, Troy, Craig, myself, and a guy with a cool name that I'm embarrassed to say I can't remember in my decaffeinated state. The weather was clear and cold. The streets were clear and parking was available. The lights were red....on the passing fire truck. Have an good Thanksgiving and hope to see you next month. -Matt Johnson matt@omega.org PS: Craig: what was the name of that author that had the AIs that would get loose and attack the center-space? PPS: Troy, nice to meet you. -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From craig at wavefront.net Wed Nov 27 22:20:45 2002 From: craig at wavefront.net (Craig S. Wilson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Dude, who sole my perl book? In-Reply-To: <018201c29692$071b0c80$6401a8c0@rip> References: <3DE51BB4.7030301@myrealbox.com> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20021127220417.0377f960@127.0.0.1> At 09:55 PM 11/27/2002 -0600, you wrote: >PS: Craig: what was the name of that author that had the AIs that would get >loose and attack the center-space? Vernor Vinge The novels set in that space are: _A Fire Upon The Deep_ _A Deepness in the Sky_ There is a short story called, "The Blabber" set in that space in _Threats and Other Promises_ The Peace War series has been republished in one book. It includes the short story, "The Ungoverned", as well as _The Peace War_ and _Marooned in Realtime_ "True Names" from _True Names and Other Dangers" is considered to be one of the seminal cyberpunk stories. ------------------------------------------------------------- Craig S. Wilson craig@wavefront.net 651-638-9594 612-865-8794 (cell) -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From siegler at visi.com Thu Nov 28 01:04:30 2002 From: siegler at visi.com (Chris Siegler) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Dude, who sole my perl book? In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.2.20021127220417.0377f960@127.0.0.1> References: <3DE51BB4.7030301@myrealbox.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20021127220417.0377f960@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: <20021128070430.GA2206@localhost.localdomain> Craig S. Wilson wrote: > At 09:55 PM 11/27/2002 -0600, you wrote: > > >PS: Craig: what was the name of that author that had the AIs that would > >get > >loose and attack the center-space? > > > Vernor Vinge > > The novels set in that space are: > > _A Fire Upon The Deep_ > _A Deepness in the Sky_ > > There is a short story called, "The Blabber" set in that space in > > _Threats and Other Promises_ > > > The Peace War series has been republished in one book. It includes the > short story, > > "The Ungoverned", as well as _The Peace War_ and _Marooned in Realtime_ > > "True Names" from _True Names and Other Dangers" is considered to be one of > the seminal cyberpunk stories. > One of my favorite authors! A good resource for SF/FAN books is http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/6113/top100.html where you'll probably find a few gems that you've never read (I'd never heard of Alfred Bester, who is amazing). Chris -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Thu Nov 28 01:51:00 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Dude, who sole my perl book? In-Reply-To: <20021128070430.GA2206@localhost.localdomain> References: <3DE51BB4.7030301@myrealbox.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20021127220417.0377f960@127.0.0.1> <20021128070430.GA2206@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Chris Siegler wrote: > One of my favorite authors! A good resource for SF/FAN books is > > http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/6113/top100.html > > where you'll probably find a few gems that you've never read (I'd never > heard of Alfred Bester, who is amazing). I remember this list from way back when I read newsgroups. There's some odd rankings on here. Ken Grimwood's Replay at #21? I like the book, but it's not _that_ good! George R. Martin at #1? Never read him but I can't imagine that he's better than some of the authors a bit down the list. OTOH, Dan Simmons' Hyperion Cantos at #9 seems just about right, as I'd consider this one of the greatest, most well written (in the sense of wordcraft) and intelligent pieces of SF ever written. Gene Wolfe is on there, but a bit low. Of course, I'd place him at #1, obviously. Ursula Le Guin is _way_ too low with only one appearance at #71. Same with Iain Banks at #59 (and #87). The only PK Dick book on there is Ubik, at #80. Odd. No Jack Vance, who certainly had a unique style. And where's Jonathan Lethem? No Elizabeth Hand? Walter Jon Williams? Octavia Butler? Jonathan Carroll? I could go on. I would say that the list is a bit weighted towards "popular" books and fairly lacking in more "literary" authors, like some of the ones I just mentioned. -dave /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message. From autarch at urth.org Thu Nov 28 01:59:46 2002 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:44 2004 Subject: [mplspm]: Dude, who sole my perl book? In-Reply-To: References: <3DE51BB4.7030301@myrealbox.com> <5.1.0.14.2.20021127220417.0377f960@127.0.0.1> <20021128070430.GA2206@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: On Thu, 28 Nov 2002, Dave Rolsky wrote: > No Jack Vance, who certainly had a unique style. And where's Jonathan > Lethem? No Elizabeth Hand? Walter Jon Williams? Octavia Butler? > Jonathan Carroll? > > I could go on. I would say that the list is a bit weighted towards > "popular" books and fairly lacking in more "literary" authors, like some > of the ones I just mentioned. Ack, how could I mention literary SF and not mention Sean Stewart? I shall beat myself severely for this. And Christopher Priest. And James Morrow. Graham Joyce. And then there's John Shirley, who put the punk in cyberpunk. On a side note, the extended list has Gravity's Rainbow at #666. Seems about right. /*================== www.urth.org we await the New Sun ==================*/ -------------------------------------------------- Minneapolis Perl Mongers mailing list To unsubscribe, send mail to majordomo@pm.org with "unsubscribe mpls" in the body of the message.