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    web-developer  это, я так понимаю,  "швец, жнец и в дуду игрец"  от
    разработки. в наше время и в нашей специфике  "специалист широкого
    профиля",  это явление вредное, дорогое, долгое и унылое.<br>
    даже с чисто  экономической  точки зрения, намного приятнее, дешевле
    и эффективнее  иметь отдельно крутого фронтэнд-разработчика для
    HTML, CSS, javascript и прочих bells and whistles  за N денег, и
    отдельно крутого бэкенд-разработчика с profound Perl expertise за M
    денег, чем и то и другое в одном флаконе за (N+M)/2.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 15.08.2014 18:00, Dmitry Smal wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">И тогда он будет бэкенд
        разработчиком. Даже не так. Бэкенд разработчиком cgi скриптов  с
        использованием DBI.pm.<br>
        <br>
        А так глядишь станет web-developer'ом.  Есть еще такие
        full-stack разработчики, кста.<br>
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        On 08/15/2014 05:48 PM, mescalito wrote:<br>
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        нет, бэкенд-разработчику  совершенно незачем уметь отлично
        верстать.  более того, надо  бить линейкой по пальцам тем,  кто
        пытается делать не свою  работу,  т.к.  обычно это приводит к
        плачевным результатам, в виде  кучи переделок,  фэйлу сроков,
        депрессии,  ангедонии,  и массовому вымиранию.<br>
        <br>
        On 15.08.2014 17:44, Ксения Боброва wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAO_8yzfq953oUT+LX+H1hmKWrLjho55NSN-WOhLXVnd177W1eA@mail.gmail.com"
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          <div dir="ltr">это верно :) но я и не понимаю, нафига
            бэкенд-разработчику уметь отлично верстать. я на работе не
            верстаю вот. Судя по всему мне нужно в свое свободное время
            оттачивать этот навык)))</div>
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            <div class="gmail_quote">15 августа 2014 г., 17:37
              пользователь mescalito <span dir="ltr"><<a
                  moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:mescalito.ua@gmail.com" target="_blank">mescalito.ua@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> "в той или иной
                  мере"  и  "годистя в продакшн" - это сильно разные
                  вещи ;)
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                      <div>On 15.08.2014 17:30, Ксения Боброва wrote:<br>
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                        <div dir="ltr">Думаю, что нет веб-разработчиков,
                          которые в той или иной мере не знают HTML/CSS.</div>
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                          <div class="gmail_quote">15 августа 2014 г.,
                            16:57 пользователь Dmitry Smal <span
                              dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="mailto:mialinx@gmail.com"
                                target="_blank">mialinx@gmail.com</a>></span>
                            написал:<br>
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                                <div>Если человек что освоил, но не
                                  любит - ок, сознательный выбор.<br>
                                  Но иногда "не люблю" = "не умею и не
                                  хочу учить".<br>
                                  Когда в руках молоток, все вокруг
                                  кажутся гвоздями.
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                                      On 08/15/2014 04:24 PM, Ксения
                                      Боброва wrote:<br>
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                                      <div dir="ltr">То есть по-вашему
                                        нелюбовь к верстке - первый шаг
                                        к безделью?)) Мда.
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                                          <div>Я работаю в компании, где
                                            есть разделение труда, и
                                            бэкенд разработчики не
                                            рисуют макеты в фотошопе, не
                                            занимаются версткой и не
                                            ведут бухгалтерию. Вижу в
                                            этом одни только плюсы для
                                            всех. <br>
                                            Я не знаю ни одного бэкенд
                                            разраба и хорошего
                                            верстальщика в одном лице.</div>
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                                        <div class="gmail_quote">15
                                          августа 2014 г., 11:41
                                          пользователь Dmitry Smal <span
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                                              target="_blank">mialinx@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                                              <div>Ничего невероятного!<br>
                                                Многие идут еще дальше,
                                                не любят бэкенд и
                                                работать вообще.<br>
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                                                Кстати, этот ваш
                                                HTML+CSS+JS(особенно)
                                                хорошо разгружают
                                                бэкенд.<br>
                                                Часто бэк отдает просто
                                                JSON. Это офигенно
                                                упрощает работу по обе
                                                стороны tcp соединения )
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                                                  On 08/15/2014 12:30
                                                  AM, Ксения Боброва
                                                  wrote:<br>
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                                                    <div dir="ltr">А что
                                                      невероятного в
                                                      том, чтобы не
                                                      любить HTML и CSS?
                                                      На эту тему даже
                                                      гифка есть:<br>
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                                                      Имхо они не стоят
                                                      даже упоминания в
                                                      резюме
                                                      бэкенд-разработчика))</div>
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                                                        августа 2014 г.,
                                                        0:05
                                                        пользователь
                                                        Михаил Монашёв <span
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                                                          mescalito.<br>
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                                                          > Лишен
                                                          чувства
                                                          прекрасного,
                                                          поэтому
                                                          оценивать
                                                          визуальные
                                                          составляющие<br>
                                                          > того  или
                                                           иного
                                                           продукта
                                                           (кроме
                                                          случаев "ну
                                                          это же вообще
                                                          жесть")<br>
                                                          > скорее не
                                                          способен.<br>
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                                                          Люблю,  когда
                                                           прямо  пишут,
                                                           а  не
                                                           придумывают
                                                           какие-то
                                                          невероятные<br>
                                                          причины. А то,
                                                          "с HTML-ем
                                                          связываться не
                                                          буду", "CSS не
                                                          переношу", "от<br>
                                                          JavaSript меня
                                                          тошнит". Хотя
                                                          что там знать
                                                          то. Проще не
                                                          придумать, под<br>
                                                          школьников
                                                          создавалось. А
                                                          многих это
                                                          отпугивает.<br>
                                                          <br>
                                                          А так всё
                                                          сразу ясно,
                                                          что к чему.<br>
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                                                          --<br>
                                                          С уважением,<br>
                                                           Михаил      
                                                                       
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                                                        <div>Ksenia
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                            <div>Ksenia Bobrova</div>
                            Senior Perl Developer</div>
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                      <font color="navy"><b>WBR,<br>
                          Dmitry<br>
                          <br>
                          mailto: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:mescalito.ua@gmail.com"
                            target="_blank">mescalito.ua@gmail.com</a><br>
                          skype: mescalito_genesys<br>
                          icq#: 6668945<br>
                          cell: +38 067 974 7812<br>
                          cell: +7 915 382 2412<br>
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            -- <br>
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              <div>Ksenia Bobrova</div>
              Senior Perl Developer</div>
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          <font color="navy" size="2"><b>WBR,<br>
              Dmitry<br>
              <br>
              mailto: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
                href="mailto:mescalito.ua@gmail.com">mescalito.ua@gmail.com</a><br>
              skype: mescalito_genesys<br>
              icq#: 6668945<br>
              cell: +38 067 974 7812<br>
              cell: +7 915 382 2412<br>
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      <font color="navy" size="2"><b>WBR,<br>
          Dmitry<br>
          <br>
          mailto: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mescalito.ua@gmail.com">mescalito.ua@gmail.com</a><br>
          skype: mescalito_genesys<br>
          icq#: 6668945<br>
          cell: +38 067 974 7812<br>
          cell: +7 915 382 2412<br>
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