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    нет, бэкенд-разработчику  совершенно незачем уметь отлично
    верстать.  более того, надо  бить линейкой по пальцам тем,  кто
    пытается делать не свою  работу,  т.к.  обычно это приводит к
    плачевным результатам, в виде  кучи переделок,  фэйлу сроков,
    депрессии,  ангедонии,  и массовому вымиранию.<br>
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    On 15.08.2014 17:44, Ксения Боброва wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:CAO_8yzfq953oUT+LX+H1hmKWrLjho55NSN-WOhLXVnd177W1eA@mail.gmail.com"
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      <div dir="ltr">это верно :) но я и не понимаю, нафига
        бэкенд-разработчику уметь отлично верстать. я на работе не
        верстаю вот. Судя по всему мне нужно в свое свободное время
        оттачивать этот навык)))</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">15 августа 2014 г., 17:37 пользователь
          mescalito <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:mescalito.ua@gmail.com" target="_blank">mescalito.ua@gmail.com</a>></span>
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> "в той или иной
              мере"  и  "годистя в продакшн" - это сильно разные вещи ;)
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                  <div>On 15.08.2014 17:30, Ксения Боброва wrote:<br>
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                    <div dir="ltr">Думаю, что нет веб-разработчиков,
                      которые в той или иной мере не знают HTML/CSS.</div>
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                      <div class="gmail_quote">15 августа 2014 г., 16:57
                        пользователь Dmitry Smal <span dir="ltr"><<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
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                            target="_blank">mialinx@gmail.com</a>></span>
                        написал:<br>
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                            <div>Если человек что освоил, но не любит -
                              ок, сознательный выбор.<br>
                              Но иногда "не люблю" = "не умею и не хочу
                              учить".<br>
                              Когда в руках молоток, все вокруг кажутся
                              гвоздями.
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                                  On 08/15/2014 04:24 PM, Ксения Боброва
                                  wrote:<br>
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                                  <div dir="ltr">То есть по-вашему
                                    нелюбовь к верстке - первый шаг к
                                    безделью?)) Мда.
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                                      <div>Я работаю в компании, где
                                        есть разделение труда, и бэкенд
                                        разработчики не рисуют макеты в
                                        фотошопе, не занимаются версткой
                                        и не ведут бухгалтерию. Вижу в
                                        этом одни только плюсы для всех.
                                        <br>
                                        Я не знаю ни одного бэкенд
                                        разраба и хорошего верстальщика
                                        в одном лице.</div>
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                                    <div class="gmail_quote">15 августа
                                      2014 г., 11:41 пользователь Dmitry
                                      Smal <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                                          href="mailto:mialinx@gmail.com"
                                          target="_blank">mialinx@gmail.com</a>></span>
                                      написал:<br>
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                                          <div>Ничего невероятного!<br>
                                            Многие идут еще дальше, не
                                            любят бэкенд и работать
                                            вообще.<br>
                                            <br>
                                            Кстати, этот ваш
                                            HTML+CSS+JS(особенно) хорошо
                                            разгружают бэкенд.<br>
                                            Часто бэк отдает просто
                                            JSON. Это офигенно упрощает
                                            работу по обе стороны tcp
                                            соединения )
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                                              On 08/15/2014 12:30 AM,
                                              Ксения Боброва wrote:<br>
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                                                <div dir="ltr">А что
                                                  невероятного в том,
                                                  чтобы не любить HTML и
                                                  CSS? На эту тему даже
                                                  гифка есть:<br>
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href="http://developerslife.ru/1163" target="_blank">http://developerslife.ru/1163</a><br>
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                                                  Имхо они не стоят даже
                                                  упоминания в резюме
                                                  бэкенд-разработчика))</div>
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                                                    class="gmail_quote">15
                                                    августа 2014 г.,
                                                    0:05 пользователь
                                                    Михаил Монашёв <span
                                                      dir="ltr"><<a
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href="mailto:postmaster@softsearch.ru" target="_blank">postmaster@softsearch.ru</a>></span>
                                                    написал:<br>
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                                                      mescalito.<br>
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                                                        > Лишен
                                                        чувства
                                                        прекрасного,
                                                        поэтому
                                                        оценивать
                                                        визуальные
                                                        составляющие<br>
                                                        > того  или
                                                         иного  продукта
                                                         (кроме случаев
                                                        "ну это же
                                                        вообще жесть")<br>
                                                        > скорее не
                                                        способен.<br>
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                                                      Люблю,  когда
                                                       прямо  пишут,  а
                                                       не  придумывают
                                                       какие-то
                                                      невероятные<br>
                                                      причины. А то, "с
                                                      HTML-ем
                                                      связываться не
                                                      буду", "CSS не
                                                      переношу", "от<br>
                                                      JavaSript меня
                                                      тошнит". Хотя что
                                                      там знать то.
                                                      Проще не
                                                      придумать, под<br>
                                                      школьников
                                                      создавалось. А
                                                      многих это
                                                      отпугивает.<br>
                                                      <br>
                                                      А так всё сразу
                                                      ясно, что к чему.<br>
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                                                          --<br>
                                                          С уважением,<br>
                                                           Михаил      
                                                                       
                                                               mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:postmaster@softsearch.ru"
                                                          target="_blank">postmaster@softsearch.ru</a><br>
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                                                    <div>Ksenia Bobrova</div>
                                                    Senior Perl
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                                      <div>Ksenia Bobrova</div>
                                      Senior Perl Developer</div>
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                      -- <br>
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                        <div>Ksenia Bobrova</div>
                        Senior Perl Developer</div>
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                  <font color="navy"><b>WBR,<br>
                      Dmitry<br>
                      <br>
                      mailto: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:mescalito.ua@gmail.com"
                        target="_blank">mescalito.ua@gmail.com</a><br>
                      skype: mescalito_genesys<br>
                      icq#: 6668945<br>
                      cell: +38 067 974 7812<br>
                      cell: +7 915 382 2412<br>
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            --<br>
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        -- <br>
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          <div>Ksenia Bobrova</div>
          Senior Perl Developer</div>
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      <font color="navy" size="2"><b>WBR,<br>
          Dmitry<br>
          <br>
          mailto: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:mescalito.ua@gmail.com">mescalito.ua@gmail.com</a><br>
          skype: mescalito_genesys<br>
          icq#: 6668945<br>
          cell: +38 067 974 7812<br>
          cell: +7 915 382 2412<br>
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