From andyfrommk at gmail.com  Tue Oct  5 13:32:31 2010
From: andyfrommk at gmail.com (Andy Selby)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:32:31 +0100
Subject: Fifth Anniversary Technical Meeting: Tuesday 12th October, 2010
In-Reply-To: <20100928160144.GN60887@eborcom.com>
References: <20100928160144.GN60887@eborcom.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim8uECSt=MQbHT9qpjgZwnRmLjjRLYOA6FXXApu@mail.gmail.com>

This event is next Tuesday for those of a forgetful disposition,
/me whistles nonchalantly

On 28 September 2010 17:01, Tom Hukins <tom at eborcom.com> wrote:
> Doesn't time fly? ?Milton Keynes Perl Mongers has existed for 5 years:
> http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/miltonkeynes-pm/2005-October/thread.html
>
> We will celebrate our fifth anniversary with various talks about Perl
> followed by informal discussion over a few drinks. ?Anyone is welcome to
> attend, regardless of expertise, so please join us on the 12th October.
> For more details, see http://miltonkeynes.pm.org/
>
> The meeting takes place at the Open University's Systems Seminar Room.
> Arrive at 7pm so the first talk can start promptly at 7.15. ?See below
> for directions.

From tom at eborcom.com  Mon Oct 11 10:26:53 2010
From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 18:26:53 +0100
Subject: Future Meetings (Was: Meeting: Tuesday 28th of September)
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On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 05:47:37PM -0400, Andy Selby wrote:
> Aww, that means I've got to remember to send out 4 reminders every
> month, just kidding.

Heh, well if you feel like handing over the task, I suspect we can
find someone.  And if nobody wants to, I will.

> It's worth a try, we can always go back to one meeting a month if it
> doesn't work out.

Indeed.

Our Web page already says we're meeting in the pub on 26th October, so
let's stick to that.  From November, I propose we meet on the second
to last Tuesday of the month, which means 23rd November.

Also, thank you for reminding everyone about our technical talks at
the OU tomorrow:
http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/miltonkeynes-pm/2010-September/000783.html
(I guess another reminder can't do any harm)

Tom

From pavel at merdin.com  Mon Oct 11 13:04:42 2010
From: pavel at merdin.com (Pavel Merdin)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2010 21:04:42 +0100
Subject: Fifth Anniversary Technical Meeting: Tuesday 12th October, 2010
In-Reply-To: <20100928160144.GN60887@eborcom.com>
References: <20100928160144.GN60887@eborcom.com>
Message-ID: <4CB36DDA.3010004@merdin.com>

  Hi, everyone.

I'm Pavel Merdin. I just moved to the MK recently. It would be nice to 
listen to various talks and getting someone's experience in different 
topics.
I would be happy if someone gave me a phone number in case I get lost in 
the campus :).

Thanks.
P.S. Sorry if it's a duplicate.

On 28/09/2010 17:01, Tom Hukins wrote:
> Doesn't time fly?  Milton Keynes Perl Mongers has existed for 5 years:
> http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/miltonkeynes-pm/2005-October/thread.html
>
> We will celebrate our fifth anniversary with various talks about Perl
> followed by informal discussion over a few drinks.  Anyone is welcome to
> attend, regardless of expertise, so please join us on the 12th October.
> For more details, see http://miltonkeynes.pm.org/
>
> The meeting takes place at the Open University's Systems Seminar Room.
> Arrive at 7pm so the first talk can start promptly at 7.15.  See below
> for directions.
>
> We have the following talks lined up:
>
>
> An introduction to writing web servers with POE (Colin Bradford)
>
> POE is a Perl framework for writing reactive programs.  I'll give a
> brief introduction to POE and event based programming, and then explain
> how I've used it to distribute data in near real time to web clients.
>
>
> TV listings with XMLTV (Nick Morrott)
>
> The XMLTV project is a mature Perl-based project that provides a set of
> libraries, grabbers and utilities to collect, process and filter TV
> listings from all over the world in XML format. Applications that
> currently make use of this data include digital video recorder
> applications such as MythTV, and listings viewers such as FreeGuide.
>
> I will give an overview of the project, discuss the XMLTV DTD format,
> examine the internals of a typical grabber, and discuss some of the
> modules used in the collection of data. I will also briefly discuss
> configuring a grabber for use, compare the use of XMLTV listings with
> those from the Freeview/Freesat EPGs, and finally outline some
> in-progress work to improve the end-user experience.
>
> See also:
> http://wiki.xmltv.org/index.php/Main_Page
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/xmltv/
>
>
> Evolving Software with Moose (Dave Cross)
>
> The North West England Perl Mongers took Dave's Perlanet feed
> aggregation module and reinvented it as something wonderful. This talk
> will describe what they did, exploring a few interesting corners about
> Moose such as lazy attributes and traits.
>
>
> We also have several brief lightning talks:
>
> Using PAR to Package and Deploy Perl Applications (Tony Edwardson)
>
> Microsoft Exchange and SOAP - my two great loves (Oliver Gorwits)
>
> Using Lovefilm's API (Paul Mooney):  An overview of OAUTH and REST and
> how you can use WWW::Lovefilm::API to simplify both when talking to the
> LOVEFiLM API
>
>
> Please pass on this message to anyone who you think might like to attend
> or encourage people to attend using your favourite social networks.
> Thanks to bob for http://lanyrd.com/2010/milton-keynes-perl-october/ - I
> would appreciate someone with a Twitter account adding details and tags
> to this.
>
> Finally, remember to arrive at the OU for 7pm on Tuesday 12th October.
> Here's how to find us:
>   First, find the OU campus as described at
>   http://www3.open.ac.uk/contact/locations.aspx
>
>   Enter the campus (signposted Open University, not Open University East),
>   via Brickhill Street (V10).
>
>   Take the middle lane past Security (on the left), through the barriers, and
>   then turn right on to Ring Road East.
>
>   Ahead you will see the road narrows to single lane on your side of the
>   road, where there are no entry signs.  Just prior to this is the
>   entrance to a car park on the left (marked Inner East Parking on the
>   campus map).  Take this left turn and head to the top left (North West
>   on the campus map) of the car park.
>
>   The meeting is in the south east section of the Venables Building,
>   nearest the Inner East Parking on the campus map.
>
>   Take the path (marked in orange on the campus map) west from the car park
>   toward the centre of campus.
>
>   Take a right under an archway in to the courtyard area bound by Venables
>   South, East, and South East, keeping right (heading North East on the campus
>   map), behind the building section marked South East.
>
>   You will find a double door on your right, which is Entrance G at the
>   South East section of Venables Building.
>
>   We'll see you there, as these are usually access controlled doors, so you
>   will probably need to be let in.
>
> If you haven't attended one of our meetings at the OU before, you might
> want to ask for someone's phone number in case you have trouble finding
> us.  If you need a lift to the meeting, please ask our mailing list or
> IRC channel (see http://miltonkeynes.pm.org/ for details).
>
> See you on the 12th,
> Tom
> _______________________________________________
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> MiltonKeynes-pm at pm.org
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From andyfrommk at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 10:21:59 2010
From: andyfrommk at gmail.com (Andy Selby)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 18:21:59 +0100
Subject: The value of explaining a problem to yourself like you would to
	someone else [Was going to be: Program does not do what I want but
	produces no error messages either]
Message-ID: <AANLkTin0Fs4PT7PnWxfbjf-x+SkMRZqvGT__QpdOcCjt@mail.gmail.com>

I've probably mentioned this before at the pub but I have had great
insight into a problem when I try to explain it in a mailing list or
forum post and suddenly I am able to see the cause of the problem.
I pasted in the code first then wrote a outline and was going to list
the values of my variables when I realised $thumbs was already
populated with the filenames so what did I need $dh for?

Below is the post I was going to send, you can see how I was about to
write the value of $dh when I realised it was only the directory that
the images where in and not the images themselves so therefore no
output.

See you all at the tech-meet.
Andy



I'm trying to write a program to turn an directory of images into a
directory of thumnails,
the below program does not do this but produces no error messages so I
think there is something wrong with were it is outputting to.

If I output the value of @thumbs it is the list of images

#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use strict;
use Image::Thumbnail 0.6;
my $dh = "/home/andy/projects/images";
opendir DH, $dh or die "cannot open $dh: $!";
my @thumb = readdir DH;
foreach my $thumb (@thumb)
{
my $t = new Image::Thumbnail(
                size       => "200x200",
                create     => 1,
                module     => "GD",
                input      => $dh,
                outputpath => "/home/andy/projects/thumbs",
        );
}
exit;

From benjamin.martin at ims-evolve.com  Thu Oct 14 07:39:12 2010
From: benjamin.martin at ims-evolve.com (Benjamin Martin)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:39:12 +0100
Subject: Making a distribution with a command line thingy in it
Message-ID: <4CB71610.8040409@ims-evolve.com>

Hello MK Mongers,

Twas a good tech meet the other day, enjoyed the talks alot .. so cheers 
to all that spoke :)

I was just wondering if anyone knew of a good source of information 
about building a distribution?... the reason I ask is because I was 
trying to find information on how to build into your package a command 
line script??

I dont have any problems packaging the modules... especially now I have 
started using Dist::Zilla, but I can't seem to find a definative "this 
is how you include and distribute a script with your package" .. type  
page?? :)

I have had a look in some dists that I know include a command line 
script 'cpanm', 'dzil', etc. they seem to achieve it in different ways.

cheers,
-Ben



From tom at eborcom.com  Thu Oct 14 07:44:27 2010
From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:44:27 +0100
Subject: The value of explaining a problem to yourself like you would to
	someone else [Was going to be: Program does not do what I want
	but produces no error messages either]
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin0Fs4PT7PnWxfbjf-x+SkMRZqvGT__QpdOcCjt@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin0Fs4PT7PnWxfbjf-x+SkMRZqvGT__QpdOcCjt@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101014144427.GB57702@eborcom.com>

On Tue, Oct 12, 2010 at 06:21:59PM +0100, Andy Selby wrote:
> the below program does not do this but produces no error messages so I
> think there is something wrong with were it is outputting to.

I realise you've already solved the problem, but I hope you find the
following helpful:

> my $t = new Image::Thumbnail(
>                 size       => "200x200",
>                 create     => 1,
>                 module     => "GD",
>                 input      => $dh,
>                 outputpath => "/home/andy/projects/thumbs",
>         );

I've read the documentation for Image::Thumbnail (under ERRORS) and I
don't understand what it means.  Good luck.  I'd be inclined to check
what $t contains, though - maybe it's undef on error.

Secondly, you're using what's called indirect method syntax by saying
"new Image::Thumbnail(...)".  This can cause subtle problems in your
programs, so I suggest you get into the habit of writing
"Image::Thumbnail->new(...)" instead.  I realise you've just copied
the documentation - various CPAN modules get this wrong.

Finally, it's ages since I've generated thumbnails within Perl, but I
believe people nowadays recommend Imager (pure perl) or Image::Imlib2
(faster).

Tom

From tom at eborcom.com  Thu Oct 14 07:50:48 2010
From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 15:50:48 +0100
Subject: Making a distribution with a command line thingy in it
In-Reply-To: <4CB71610.8040409@ims-evolve.com>
References: <4CB71610.8040409@ims-evolve.com>
Message-ID: <20101014145048.GC57702@eborcom.com>

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 03:39:12PM +0100, Benjamin Martin wrote:
> Twas a good tech meet the other day, enjoyed the talks alot .. so cheers 
> to all that spoke :)

Seconded!

> I was just wondering if anyone knew of a good source of information 
> about building a distribution?... the reason I ask is because I was 
> trying to find information on how to build into your package a command 
> line script??

If you use ExtUtils::MakeMaker or Module::Build, it's fiddly.  People
tend to use different approaches, as you've noticed.

Module::Install makes this easier - look for "install_script" in its
documentation.  Although I'd use ExtUtils::MakeMaker for simple
distributions, I'd probably use Module::Install for problems EUMM
copes badly with, such as yours.

Tom

From andyfrommk at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 14:00:41 2010
From: andyfrommk at gmail.com (Andy Selby)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:00:41 +0100
Subject: The value of explaining a problem to yourself like you would to
	someone else [Was going to be: Program does not do what I want but
	produces no error messages either]
In-Reply-To: <20101014144427.GB57702@eborcom.com>
References: <AANLkTin0Fs4PT7PnWxfbjf-x+SkMRZqvGT__QpdOcCjt@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101014144427.GB57702@eborcom.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikoQJtEV85vyqBoiVTE6D8pBbD7E-PqG=DJoEoP@mail.gmail.com>

> I've read the documentation for Image::Thumbnail (under ERRORS) and I
> don't understand what it means. ?Good luck. ?I'd be inclined to check
> what $t contains, though - maybe it's undef on error.

Global symbol "$t" requires explicit package name

> Secondly, you're using what's called indirect method syntax by saying
> "new Image::Thumbnail(...)". ?This can cause subtle problems in your
> programs, so I suggest you get into the habit of writing
> "Image::Thumbnail->new(...)" instead. ?I realise you've just copied
> the documentation - various CPAN modules get this wrong.

thanks for that, changed it to your suggestion.
TBH most of my perl programs are copy and pasted from the cpan
examples slightly modifided to fit my purposes.

> Finally, it's ages since I've generated thumbnails within Perl, but I
> believe people nowadays recommend Imager (pure perl) or Image::Imlib2
> (faster).

Ohh, thanks for those, I used Image::Thumbnail because it was one of
the first shown on a cpan search.
I'll look into those because I'm not able to specify a definate size
with Image:Thumbnail
Thanks
Andy

From tom at eborcom.com  Thu Oct 14 15:53:41 2010
From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:53:41 +0100
Subject: The value of explaining a problem to yourself like you would to
	someone else [Was going to be: Program does not do what I want
	but produces no error messages either]
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikoQJtEV85vyqBoiVTE6D8pBbD7E-PqG=DJoEoP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin0Fs4PT7PnWxfbjf-x+SkMRZqvGT__QpdOcCjt@mail.gmail.com>
	<20101014144427.GB57702@eborcom.com>
	<AANLkTikoQJtEV85vyqBoiVTE6D8pBbD7E-PqG=DJoEoP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20101014225341.GE57702@eborcom.com>

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 10:00:41PM +0100, Andy Selby wrote:
> > I've read the documentation for Image::Thumbnail (under ERRORS) and I
> > don't understand what it means. ?Good luck. ?I'd be inclined to check
> > what $t contains, though - maybe it's undef on error.
> 
> Global symbol "$t" requires explicit package name

That error suggests you're checking $t outside its scope.  You define
it within the foreach loop - if you try to check it outside there
you'll see the error you mention.

You assign to $t on the line beginning "my $t".  Try to see what's
inside it after you've assigned to it but within the same {} delimited
block.

> Ohh, thanks for those, I used Image::Thumbnail because it was one of
> the first shown on a cpan search.

Finding "good" CPAN modules involves a peculiar set of assessments.  I
think the best way I've heard it described is as "a bit like
Goldilocks and the three bears" but I doubt that helps.  Sorry.
Perhaps it's all about keeping trying them until you find the "just
right" modules for you.

Tom

From shlomif at iglu.org.il  Thu Oct 14 21:26:28 2010
From: shlomif at iglu.org.il (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 06:26:28 +0200
Subject: Making a distribution with a command line thingy in it
In-Reply-To: <20101014145048.GC57702@eborcom.com>
References: <4CB71610.8040409@ims-evolve.com>
	<20101014145048.GC57702@eborcom.com>
Message-ID: <201010150626.29038.shlomif@iglu.org.il>

On Thursday 14 October 2010 16:50:48 Tom Hukins wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 03:39:12PM +0100, Benjamin Martin wrote:
> > Twas a good tech meet the other day, enjoyed the talks alot .. so cheers
> > to all that spoke :)
> 
> Seconded!
> 
> > I was just wondering if anyone knew of a good source of information
> > about building a distribution?... the reason I ask is because I was
> > trying to find information on how to build into your package a command
> > line script??
> 
> If you use ExtUtils::MakeMaker or Module::Build, it's fiddly.  People
> tend to use different approaches, as you've noticed.

Fiddly? What's wrong with doing:

<quote>
script_files => ["scripts/dir-dump",],
</quote>

Inside your Build.PL and getting done with it. See for example:

https://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/web-cpan/File-Dir-Dumper/trunk/File-Dir-
Dumper/Build.PL

Regards,

	Shlomi Fish

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From jhthorsen at cpan.org  Fri Oct 15 04:37:41 2010
From: jhthorsen at cpan.org (Jan Henning Thorsen)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 13:37:41 +0200
Subject: Making a distribution with a command line thingy in it
In-Reply-To: <4CB71610.8040409@ims-evolve.com>
References: <4CB71610.8040409@ims-evolve.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=vmwrP0atZBgJiyqt8cRk7GuMDERkmFqTg6ZbX@mail.gmail.com>

If you're using Module::Install, you need to add

 install_script glob('bin/*');

That will install every script found in the bin/ directory to the system's
default binary location. Not sure where this is on windows, but in linux
(ubuntu/debian/++) it's /usr/local/bin

Example Makefile.PL:

use inc::Module::Install;

#----------------------------------------------------
name q(My-Module);
all_from q(lib/My/Module.pm);

requires q(Moose) => 1.0;
test_requires q(Test::More) => 0.9;

bugtracker q(http://rt.cpan.org/NoAuth/Bugs.html?Dist=My-Module);
homepage q(http://jhthorsen.github.com/my-module);
repository q(git://github.com/jhthorsen/my-module.git);

install_script q(bin/my-script);
auto_install;
WriteAll;
#----------------------------------------------------

Regards,
 batman

PS: ...and if you're not using Module::Install, you need to use it ;-)

On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Benjamin Martin <
benjamin.martin at ims-evolve.com> wrote:

> Hello MK Mongers,
>
> Twas a good tech meet the other day, enjoyed the talks alot .. so cheers to
> all that spoke :)
>
> I was just wondering if anyone knew of a good source of information about
> building a distribution?... the reason I ask is because I was trying to find
> information on how to build into your package a command line script??
>
> I dont have any problems packaging the modules... especially now I have
> started using Dist::Zilla, but I can't seem to find a definative "this is
> how you include and distribute a script with your package" .. type  page??
> :)
>
> I have had a look in some dists that I know include a command line script
> 'cpanm', 'dzil', etc. they seem to achieve it in different ways.
>
> cheers,
> -Ben
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> MiltonKeynes-pm mailing list
> MiltonKeynes-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/miltonkeynes-pm
>
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From tom at eborcom.com  Tue Oct 19 03:52:59 2010
From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 11:52:59 +0100
Subject: Slides Online and Web Site in git
Message-ID: <20101019105259.GC844@eborcom.com>

The slides for our record attendance technical meeting are now sat on
a Web server waiting for you to read them:
http://miltonkeynes.pm.org/

Thank you very much to Colin Bradford for sorting all this out.  Colin
asked me to put the Web site under version control some time ago and I
finally got round to it.

If you would like to edit the site, please
"git clone git://git.scrubhole.org/miltonkeynes-pm.git" and let me
know when you've published your changes somewhere public.  If you need
help with git, ask for help on the #miltonkeynes.pm IRC channel.

I chose git because it keeps a complete copy of the repository (free
backups), I like it, and it's commonly used for CPAN modules as well
as the Perl 5 source.

Finally, we still need volunteers to organise next year's technical
meetings.  So far, we have none.  Go on, it's fun!

Tom

From shlomif at iglu.org.il  Tue Oct 19 04:28:18 2010
From: shlomif at iglu.org.il (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 13:28:18 +0200
Subject: Making a distribution with a command line thingy in it
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=vmwrP0atZBgJiyqt8cRk7GuMDERkmFqTg6ZbX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4CB71610.8040409@ims-evolve.com>
	<AANLkTi=vmwrP0atZBgJiyqt8cRk7GuMDERkmFqTg6ZbX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <201010191328.19700.shlomif@iglu.org.il>

On Friday 15 October 2010 13:37:41 Jan Henning Thorsen wrote:
> If you're using Module::Install, you need to add
> 
>  install_script glob('bin/*');
> 
> That will install every script found in the bin/ directory to the system's
> default binary location. Not sure where this is on windows, but in linux
> (ubuntu/debian/++) it's /usr/local/bin
> 
> Example Makefile.PL:
> 
> use inc::Module::Install;
> 
> #----------------------------------------------------
> name q(My-Module);
> all_from q(lib/My/Module.pm);
> 
> requires q(Moose) => 1.0;
> test_requires q(Test::More) => 0.9;
> 
> bugtracker q(http://rt.cpan.org/NoAuth/Bugs.html?Dist=My-Module);
> homepage q(http://jhthorsen.github.com/my-module);
> repository q(git://github.com/jhthorsen/my-module.git);
> 
> install_script q(bin/my-script);
> auto_install;
> WriteAll;
> #----------------------------------------------------
> 
> Regards,
>  batman
> 

<holy-war>

> PS: ...and if you're not using Module::Install, you need to use it ;-)
> 

No! You should be using Module-Build. It's Module-Build all the way down. M-B 
forevar and evar! True Klingon warriors will tolerate nothing lesser.

</holy-war>

Hmmm.... 

And Top-Posting-- .

Regards,

	Shlomi Fish

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From andyfrommk at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 12:08:33 2010
From: andyfrommk at gmail.com (Andy Selby)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 20:08:33 +0100
Subject: Meeting: Tuesday 26th of October
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=OVOPEAjJ884zgkMHUhRcd2UjVo52Er1j82XKi@mail.gmail.com>

The Last ever MKLUG/MiltonKeynes.pm meet-up is nearly upon us!.....

[Insert dramatic minor chord here]

Due to the increasing number of Perlies attending the meet, the
Perlmongers are going to hold a separate meeting on the second to last
Tuesday of the month starting in November (so that will be the 23rd).
The only reason we have a dual MKLUG/MiltonKeynes.pm meet is that
there were very few Linux/Perl people willing to meet up and it was
always the same people who did so a bi-monthly meet-up of the same few
people seemed unwarranted, but with the growth of both groups (16
people turned up for the last Perlies Tech-meet) it seems it is time
to split up again.

As ever, it will be held at the Wetherspoons pub, near the railway
station (not the one in the snow dome), next door to Chiquitos:

http://osm.org/go/eu4qJDHoE--

Starting from 7pm, and going on till the last people stumble off home.
We usually inhabit one of the two large curved tables in front of the
bar but for the last two times we haven't managed to grab them so if
we aren't there just look around.
Feel free to bring your laptop/Linux device along if you want a hand/to
show off.

From perl at gorwits.me.uk  Wed Oct 20 13:36:36 2010
From: perl at gorwits.me.uk (Oliver Gorwits)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 21:36:36 +0100
Subject: Slides Online and Web Site in git
In-Reply-To: <20101019105259.GC844@eborcom.com>
References: <20101019105259.GC844@eborcom.com>
Message-ID: <B5E0304A-C2B8-4A2E-8806-5FA254DB663B@gorwits.me.uk>


On 19 Oct 2010, at 11:52, Tom Hukins <tom at eborcom.com> wrote:
> If you would like to edit the site, please
> "git clone git://git.scrubhole.org/miltonkeynes-pm.git" and let me
> know when you've published your changes somewhere public.  

Forgive my ignorance, but if I don't have a public server you can pull changes from, is there a standard way to "publish"? (I ask for the benefit of the list/archives as well)

Pointers to preferred online docs for a git newbie are a valid reply :-)

Regards,
Oliver.

From tom at eborcom.com  Wed Oct 20 16:44:13 2010
From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 00:44:13 +0100
Subject: Slides Online and Web Site in git
In-Reply-To: <B5E0304A-C2B8-4A2E-8806-5FA254DB663B@gorwits.me.uk>
References: <20101019105259.GC844@eborcom.com>
	<B5E0304A-C2B8-4A2E-8806-5FA254DB663B@gorwits.me.uk>
Message-ID: <20101020234413.GJ844@eborcom.com>

On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 09:36:36PM +0100, Oliver Gorwits wrote:
> 
> On 19 Oct 2010, at 11:52, Tom Hukins <tom at eborcom.com> wrote:
> > If you would like to edit the site, please
> > "git clone git://git.scrubhole.org/miltonkeynes-pm.git" and let me
> > know when you've published your changes somewhere public.  
> 
> Forgive my ignorance, but if I don't have a public server you can
> pull changes from, is there a standard way to "publish"? (I ask for
> the benefit of the list/archives as well)

That's "the right question" in that I'm trying "agile documentation"
by not explaining anything until someone asks.  Apologies for the
buzzword bingo air quotes.

If you don't have your own public server, the cool kids seem to push
to github and gain a nice GUI.  Sorry, I'm an uncool command line
person and I host my own repository.  If you don't like Github,
there's also Gitosis and probably others - you might even try
persuading me or Colin to host a repository for you.

> Pointers to preferred online docs for a git newbie are a valid reply :-)

I recommend http://progit.org/ mostly because it's very well written
but also because Scott gave an excellent tutorial at YAPC.  I also
admire his bravery for speaking at a Perl conference as a non-Perl
developer.

So that's my subjective, irrational reply.  Hopefully someone else can
give a more reasoned, thought through answer.  I've already mildly
broken merging Colin's work in that I created duplicate commits with
the same checksums, but hey, that's the fun of learning.

I figure this helps us share neat git tips as much as anything else.

Remember, we all lose our annual bonuses if one person commits a
mistake so let's proactively be too scared to do anything useful.
this is a blame culture.

Tom

From bob at randomness.org.uk  Thu Oct 21 03:03:35 2010
From: bob at randomness.org.uk (Bob Walker)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 11:03:35 +0100 (BST)
Subject: Slides Online and Web Site in git
In-Reply-To: <B5E0304A-C2B8-4A2E-8806-5FA254DB663B@gorwits.me.uk>
References: <20101019105259.GC844@eborcom.com>
	<B5E0304A-C2B8-4A2E-8806-5FA254DB663B@gorwits.me.uk>
Message-ID: <alpine.GSO.2.00.1010211101170.18936@nimbus.geekcloud.com>

On Wed, 20 Oct 2010, Oliver Gorwits wrote:

>
> On 19 Oct 2010, at 11:52, Tom Hukins <tom at eborcom.com> wrote:
>> If you would like to edit the site, please
>> "git clone git://git.scrubhole.org/miltonkeynes-pm.git" and let me
>> know when you've published your changes somewhere public.
>
> Forgive my ignorance, but if I don't have a public server you can pull changes from, is there a standard way to "publish"? (I ask for the benefit of the list/archives as well)
>

since linus wrote git to deal with his workflow it deals with email as a 
way to send patches.

http://book.git-scm.com/5_git_and_email.html


> Pointers to preferred online docs for a git newbie are a valid reply :-)
>

http://gitref.org/index.html is quite useful.



> Regards,
> Oliver.
> _______________________________________________
> MiltonKeynes-pm mailing list
> MiltonKeynes-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/miltonkeynes-pm
>

-- 
bob walker
everything should be purple and bendy
http://randomness.org.uk



From andyfrommk at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 08:39:07 2010
From: andyfrommk at gmail.com (Andy)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 16:39:07 +0100
Subject: Meeting: Tuesday 26th of October
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=OVOPEAjJ884zgkMHUhRcd2UjVo52Er1j82XKi@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=OVOPEAjJ884zgkMHUhRcd2UjVo52Er1j82XKi@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1288107547.2738.11.camel@Nokia-N900>

Just to remind everyone, this is tonight

> The Last ever MKLUG/MiltonKeynes.pm meet-up is nearly upon us!.....
> 
> [Insert dramatic minor chord here]
> 
> Due to the increasing number of Perlies attending the meet, the
> Perlmongers are going to hold a separate meeting on the second to last
> Tuesday of the month starting in November (so that will be the 23rd).
> The only reason we have a dual MKLUG/MiltonKeynes.pm meet is that
> there were very few Linux/Perl people willing to meet up and it was
> always the same people who did so a bi-monthly meet-up of the same few
> people seemed unwarranted, but with the growth of both groups (16
> people turned up for the last Perlies Tech-meet) it seems it is time
> to split up again.
> 
> As ever, it will be held at the Wetherspoons pub, near the railway
> station (not the one in the snow dome), next door to Chiquitos:
> 
> http://osm.org/go/eu4qJDHoE--
> 
> Starting from 7pm, and going on till the last people stumble off home.
> We usually inhabit one of the two large curved tables in front of the
> bar but for the last two times we haven't managed to grab them so if
> we aren't there just look around.
> Feel free to bring your laptop/Linux device along if you want a hand/to
> show off.

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