From tom at eborcom.com  Sat Sep  1 13:21:12 2007
From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins)
Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2007 21:21:12 +0100
Subject: Perl Survey
Message-ID: <20070901202112.GA97748@eborcom.com>

You might have seen this mentioned elsewhere, but I don't think it's
been on here yet:

Take part in the 2007 Perl Survey!

The Perl Survey is an attempt to capture a picture of the Perl
community in all its diversity.  No matter what sort of Perl
programmer you are, we'd love to hear from you.

The survey can be found at: http://perlsurvey.org/

It only takes about 5 minutes to complete.

The survey will be open until September 30th, 2007.  After that, we'll
be reporting on the results and making the data freely available.

Please feel free to forward this email to any other Perl programmers
you know.

Tom

From tom at eborcom.com  Fri Sep 21 01:11:40 2007
From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 09:11:40 +0100
Subject: Meeting: Tuesday 25th September 2007
Message-ID: <20070921081140.GA7562@eborcom.com>

When people start drawing strange, out-of-focus pictures that look like
foamy, blue pints of beer on your Facebook graffiti wall it can only
mean one thing:

Milton Keynes Linux User Group and Perl Mongers will meet this time next
week on Tuesday 25th September.  I look forward to seeing the regulars,
the recent newcomers, and hopefully a few of you who haven't been
before.

As usual, we'll meet in Wetherspoon's near the railway station (not the
one in the snow dome).  I'll show up around 8pm, but feel free to arrive
whenever suits you:
http://miltonkeynes.openguides.org/?J.D_Wetherspoon%2C_Central_Milton_Keynes

If you've not been along before and you would like my mobile number to
help find us please ask off list.  Don't worry how much you know about
Perl or Linux:  we have quite a varied range of interests and abilities.
I've tried to persuade a couple of local Python programmers to come
along this time, so we'll see how that goes.

Peter, thanks for the reminder.  But why blue?

See you soon,
Tom

From peter at dragonstaff.com  Fri Sep 21 05:38:02 2007
From: peter at dragonstaff.com (Peter Edwards)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:38:02 +0100
Subject: Meeting: Tuesday 25th September 2007
In-Reply-To: <20070921081140.GA7562@eborcom.com>
References: <20070921081140.GA7562@eborcom.com>
Message-ID: <009501c7fc4c$59d3df40$0201a8c0@DRAGON1>

>Peter, thanks for the reminder.  But why blue?

I must be a N00b in using Facebook graffiti because my palette only showed
blue, green, black and white. Ideally, Speckled Hen Brown or Deuchars Yellow
would have been my colour of choice.
On the subject of beer, a friend has started the Concrete Cow Brewery in
Milton Keynes up at Bradwell Abbey: http://www.concretecowbrewery.co.uk/

:)

Cheers, Peter




From ziya at suzen.net  Fri Sep 21 13:49:53 2007
From: ziya at suzen.net (Ziya Suzen)
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:49:53 +0100
Subject: Meeting: Tuesday 25th September 2007
In-Reply-To: <20070921081140.GA7562@eborcom.com>
References: <20070921081140.GA7562@eborcom.com>
Message-ID: <7e7471f80709211349k4e593ebne3a253c4b4ae21d1@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/21/07, Tom Hukins <tom at eborcom.com> wrote:
> Peter, thanks for the reminder.  But why blue?

Talking about reminders, finally I found sometime to create a google
calendar for these meetings, and possibly other events:

iCal:
http://www.google.com/calendar/ical/e6lcqeedjhkmvvlkkqe096a7mg%40group.calendar.google.com/public/basic.ics

HTML:
http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=e6lcqeedjhkmvvlkkqe096a7mg%40group.calendar.google.com

If you want to embed it to your site, you can use this to generate html for you:
http://www.google.com/calendar/embed/EmbedHelper_en.html?src=e6lcqeedjhkmvvlkkqe096a7mg%40group.calendar.google.com

I will try my best to maintain it, but any extra volunteers are always
welcome :)

Hopefully, see you there.

--Ziya

From tom at eborcom.com  Tue Sep 25 08:53:14 2007
From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins)
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:53:14 +0100
Subject: Meeting: Tuesday 25th September 2007
In-Reply-To: <7e7471f80709211349k4e593ebne3a253c4b4ae21d1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070921081140.GA7562@eborcom.com>
	<7e7471f80709211349k4e593ebne3a253c4b4ae21d1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070925155314.GA64978@eborcom.com>

On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 09:49:53PM +0100, Ziya Suzen wrote:
> Talking about reminders, finally I found sometime to create a google
> calendar for these meetings, and possibly other events:

Thanks, Ziya.  I'm pleased you got round to this:  it means we now
have something that doesn't rely on me updating it, which I strongly
approve of. :)

I notice it lists us as meeting on Christmas, though, which we
traditionally avoid.  (There might have been talk of an alternative
date, but I forget).

> I will try my best to maintain it, but any extra volunteers are always
> welcome :)

Feel free to add me:   I'll remove the Christmas meeting.  I encourage
everyone else to help maintain this.

This means anyone can schedule meetings according to their whims,
announce them on the mailing list and IRC and add them to the
calendar.

One day I'll get the Web page in Subversion or something useful like
that.

Tom

From tony.x.edwardson at jpmorgan.com  Fri Sep 28 06:47:08 2007
From: tony.x.edwardson at jpmorgan.com (tony.x.edwardson at jpmorgan.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:47:08 +0100
Subject: Testing CPAN modules
Message-ID: <OF705D7D75.DCF5E5CA-ON80257364.002EA740-80257364.004BBA43@jpmchase.com>

Anyone knbow of a way to run the test suites which come with CPAN modules 
without access to the internet, make or a c compiler ?
I am trying to get a recent version of perl (5.8.8) installed on 
production machines which exist in a highly restricted environment.
I can instll the modules directly on production because I am not allowed 
to have any development tools available.
So, I build perl with all the modules I want on a development box (400 in 
all), tar the installation up and get the tarball into production and 
untar it there.
The problem is that the procedures require me to run tests on all of the 
modules I've introduced on the production box where make and gcc don't 
exist.
Ideally, I'd like to use the test suites that come with each module but I 
can't use "make test" without make.
There is "prove" , but not all of the module distributions have a "t" 
subdirectory - they have a test.pl script instead.
I've played with the CPAN module but I can't find a way to use it without 
access to make.

Any idea anyone ?

Cheers
Tony

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From ziya at suzen.net  Fri Sep 28 14:01:58 2007
From: ziya at suzen.net (Ziya Suzen)
Date: Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:01:58 +0100
Subject: Testing CPAN modules
In-Reply-To: <OF705D7D75.DCF5E5CA-ON80257364.002EA740-80257364.004BBA43@jpmchase.com>
References: <OF705D7D75.DCF5E5CA-ON80257364.002EA740-80257364.004BBA43@jpmchase.com>
Message-ID: <7e7471f80709281401xd0efc17wb84b904c4a28e676@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/28/07, tony.x.edwardson at jpmorgan.com <tony.x.edwardson at jpmorgan.com> wrote:
> Anyone knbow of a way to run the test suites which come with CPAN modules
> without access to the internet, make or a c compiler ?

Depends on the module. Some modules require native bindings hence they
require a cc. Some modules require make for build action. Recent
modules on the other hand usually use Module::Build, a pure Perl build
system. However, unless you are only one or two modules short, you
probably won't be able to get away without using a c compiler. There
are quite a few very useful modules with existing library bindings you
might like to use.

> I am trying to get a recent version of perl (5.8.8) installed on production
> machines which exist in a highly restricted environment.
> I can instll the modules directly on production because I am not allowed to
> have any development tools available.

For deployment I recommend using a packaging system (rpm, deb etc.)
Many CPAN modules has packages for target systems.

> So, I build perl with all the modules I want on a development box (400 in
> all), tar the installation up and get the tarball into production and untar
> it there.
> The problem is that the procedures require me to run tests on all of the
> modules I've introduced on the production box where make and gcc don't
> exist.
> Ideally, I'd like to use the test suites that come with each module but I
> can't use "make test" without make.
> There is "prove" , but not all of the module distributions have a "t"
> subdirectory - they have a test.pl script instead.
> I've played with the CPAN module but I can't find a way to use it without
> access to make.

I am a bit confused at this point. But it sounds like you need a
development and test environment similar (ideally identical) to your
production systems. And if your sys admins are so strict you should
start looking into releasing system packages (RPMs for example) for
deployment.

-ziya