From tom at eborcom.com Thu Nov 9 04:08:14 2006 From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins) Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 12:08:14 +0000 Subject: London Perl Workshop: Saturday 9th December 2006 Message-ID: <20061109120813.GA585@eborcom.com> This year's LPW has just been announced: http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/09/1036233&from=rss It's at Westminster University, within walking distance of Euston conveniently for those of us in Milton Keynes. Our regular MiltonKeynes.pm meeting takes place this month on Tuesday 28th November - see you all soon. Tom From nik at ngo.org.uk Sun Nov 12 12:49:37 2006 From: nik at ngo.org.uk (Nik Clayton) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 20:49:37 +0000 Subject: Syntax highlighting in Perl In-Reply-To: <20061112154647.GC17917@pjcj.net> References: <45316C8F.7080206@ngo.org.uk> <20061015150018.GA18946@pjcj.net> <45326B79.9010308@ngo.org.uk> <20061112154647.GC17917@pjcj.net> Message-ID: <455788E1.7060500@ngo.org.uk> Paul Johnson wrote: > I think it was the last step that actually fixed the problem. I think I > had updated SVN::Web and the css/templates/something were incompatible, > but I hadn't realised that. Could that be right? Is this likely to be > a perennial problem? Did you follow the notes in UPDATING.pod? http://search.cpan.org/~NIKC/SVN-Web-0.49/UPDATING.pod N From paul at pjcj.net Sun Nov 12 07:46:47 2006 From: paul at pjcj.net (Paul Johnson) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:46:47 +0100 Subject: Syntax highlighting in Perl In-Reply-To: <45326B79.9010308@ngo.org.uk> References: <45316C8F.7080206@ngo.org.uk> <20061015150018.GA18946@pjcj.net> <45326B79.9010308@ngo.org.uk> Message-ID: <20061112154647.GC17917@pjcj.net> On Sun, Oct 15, 2006 at 06:10:17PM +0100, Nik Clayton wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > > >And now a half-hearted moan. Every since I upgraded apache on debian a > >few weeks back SVN::Web seems to be displaying only what would have been > >in the body of the html. And also when any revision is requested the > >apache process hangs using 100% cpu. > > > >Since I can't even be bothered to investigate this enough to make a > >proper bug report I don't expect an answer, but I suppose there's an off > >chance that someone might be able to say, "oh yes, that's because of X, > >just do Y". > > > >Yeah, well, maybe. Or if I had spent the time it has taken to write > >this on investigating the problem I might even have fixed it my now. > > > >Dear LazyML, please help. > > Apache 1 or Apache 2? 2 > What version of SVN::Web? 0.49 > Is it 100% reproducible? Yes > Does it affect all revisions, or just a subset of them? All > Does it happen with svnweb-server? I didn't try it. But I've fixed the problem, by hook or by crook. I've ditched debian's apache and built everything myself. Then I have rerun svnweb-install. I think it was the last step that actually fixed the problem. I think I had updated SVN::Web and the css/templates/something were incompatible, but I hadn't realised that. Could that be right? Is this likely to be a perennial problem? -- Paul Johnson - paul at pjcj.net http://www.pjcj.net From jesse at fsck.com Sun Nov 12 13:07:28 2006 From: jesse at fsck.com (jesse) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 16:07:28 -0500 Subject: Syntax highlighting in Perl In-Reply-To: <455788E1.7060500@ngo.org.uk> References: <45316C8F.7080206@ngo.org.uk> <20061015150018.GA18946@pjcj.net> <45326B79.9010308@ngo.org.uk> <20061112154647.GC17917@pjcj.net> <455788E1.7060500@ngo.org.uk> Message-ID: <20061112210728.GA20017@bestpractical.com> On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 08:49:37PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > Paul Johnson wrote: > >I think it was the last step that actually fixed the problem. I think I > >had updated SVN::Web and the css/templates/something were incompatible, > >but I hadn't realised that. Could that be right? Is this likely to be > >a perennial problem? > > Did you follow the notes in UPDATING.pod? > > http://search.cpan.org/~NIKC/SVN-Web-0.49/UPDATING.pod I did, only after I manually pulled down the distribution from CPAN and tried to dig through why it started to fail. UPDATING.pod is...not the usual place to put things. Especially notes about "updating from CPAN will break all your live installs and you'll have to manually frob the config." Usually, that's a mandatory-prompt question on install. But far better would be to bullet proof things to not hurt poor unsuspecting users. It'd be really wonderful if updating SVN::Web didn't break deployed installs in the future. It's...not a pleasant experience. > > N > -- From paul at pjcj.net Sun Nov 12 14:39:26 2006 From: paul at pjcj.net (Paul Johnson) Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 23:39:26 +0100 Subject: Syntax highlighting in Perl In-Reply-To: <20061112210728.GA20017@bestpractical.com> References: <45316C8F.7080206@ngo.org.uk> <20061015150018.GA18946@pjcj.net> <45326B79.9010308@ngo.org.uk> <20061112154647.GC17917@pjcj.net> <455788E1.7060500@ngo.org.uk> <20061112210728.GA20017@bestpractical.com> Message-ID: <20061112223926.GD17917@pjcj.net> On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 04:07:28PM -0500, jesse wrote: > On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 08:49:37PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > > Paul Johnson wrote: > > >I think it was the last step that actually fixed the problem. I think I > > >had updated SVN::Web and the css/templates/something were incompatible, > > >but I hadn't realised that. Could that be right? Is this likely to be > > >a perennial problem? > > > > Did you follow the notes in UPDATING.pod? > > > > http://search.cpan.org/~NIKC/SVN-Web-0.49/UPDATING.pod > > I did, only after I manually pulled down the distribution from CPAN and > tried to dig through why it started to fail. UPDATING.pod is...not the > usual place to put things. Especially notes about "updating from CPAN > will break all your live installs and you'll have to manually frob the > config." Usually, that's a mandatory-prompt question on install. But > far better would be to bullet proof things to not hurt poor unsuspecting > users. > > It'd be really wonderful if updating SVN::Web didn't break deployed > installs in the future. It's...not a pleasant experience. Yeah, I'll admit to never having read that file before, or at least to not remembering having read it. So ... what he said. Especially the last part, since I generally try to do all my installations automatically. But thanks for putting out new releases anyway :-) And I am looking forward to the syntax highlighting. -- Paul Johnson - paul at pjcj.net http://www.pjcj.net From nik at ngo.org.uk Mon Nov 13 02:14:52 2006 From: nik at ngo.org.uk (Nik Clayton) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:14:52 +0000 Subject: Syntax highlighting in Perl In-Reply-To: <20061112210728.GA20017@bestpractical.com> References: <45316C8F.7080206@ngo.org.uk> <20061015150018.GA18946@pjcj.net> <45326B79.9010308@ngo.org.uk> <20061112154647.GC17917@pjcj.net> <455788E1.7060500@ngo.org.uk> <20061112210728.GA20017@bestpractical.com> Message-ID: <4558459C.4060304@ngo.org.uk> jesse wrote: > > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2006 at 08:49:37PM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: >> Paul Johnson wrote: >>> I think it was the last step that actually fixed the problem. I think I >>> had updated SVN::Web and the css/templates/something were incompatible, >>> but I hadn't realised that. Could that be right? Is this likely to be >>> a perennial problem? >> Did you follow the notes in UPDATING.pod? >> >> http://search.cpan.org/~NIKC/SVN-Web-0.49/UPDATING.pod > > I did, only after I manually pulled down the distribution from CPAN and > tried to dig through why it started to fail. UPDATING.pod is...not the > usual place to put things. Especially notes about "updating from CPAN > will break all your live installs and you'll have to manually frob the > config." Usually, that's a mandatory-prompt question on install. But > far better would be to bullet proof things to not hurt poor unsuspecting > users. > > It'd be really wonderful if updating SVN::Web didn't break deployed > installs in the future. It's...not a pleasant experience. OK. 0.50, to be released shortly, has another round of disruptive changes. You can see the current UPDATING notes at: http://jc.ngo.org.uk/svnweb/jc/view/nik/CPAN/SVN-Web/branches/svn-client/UPDATING.pod If you'd just downloaded this from CPAN, what would you like to happen when you install it? Just print warnings at build time? Something else? One change I'm considering making is to require a version number key in config.yaml, something like: version: 0.50 Then, if you try and use a newer version of SVN::Web with an older config file it can easily detect this, and generate an error page pointing you at the documentation for updating. Obviously, that's a run-time check rather than a build time check, but would that be sufficient? N From nik at ngo.org.uk Mon Nov 13 02:51:38 2006 From: nik at ngo.org.uk (Nik Clayton) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 10:51:38 +0000 Subject: Syntax highlighting in Perl In-Reply-To: <20061112223926.GD17917@pjcj.net> References: <45316C8F.7080206@ngo.org.uk> <20061015150018.GA18946@pjcj.net> <45326B79.9010308@ngo.org.uk> <20061112154647.GC17917@pjcj.net> <455788E1.7060500@ngo.org.uk> <20061112210728.GA20017@bestpractical.com> <20061112223926.GD17917@pjcj.net> Message-ID: <45584E3A.7020008@ngo.org.uk> Paul Johnson wrote: > And I am looking forward to the syntax highlighting. Ah. Sorry to disappoint, but I couldn't get the Perl options for this to work reliably, so it's not going to be in the core set of actions. I am planning a separate SVN::Web::ViewWithHighlight (terrible name) that you'll be able to drop in place. FWIW, what will be the 0.50 code is running at http://jc.ngo.org.uk/svnweb/ now. Since this supports talking to remote repos I've linked to a few. Anyone interested in Pugs might benefit from http://jc.ngo.org.uk/svnweb/pugs/ N From nik at ngo.org.uk Mon Nov 13 04:39:07 2006 From: nik at ngo.org.uk (Nik Clayton) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 12:39:07 +0000 Subject: Syntax highlighting in Perl In-Reply-To: <20061113120551.GE17917@pjcj.net> References: <45316C8F.7080206@ngo.org.uk> <20061015150018.GA18946@pjcj.net> <45326B79.9010308@ngo.org.uk> <20061112154647.GC17917@pjcj.net> <455788E1.7060500@ngo.org.uk> <20061112210728.GA20017@bestpractical.com> <4558459C.4060304@ngo.org.uk> <20061113120551.GE17917@pjcj.net> Message-ID: <4558676B.9000602@ngo.org.uk> Paul Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 10:14:52AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: >> If you'd just downloaded this from CPAN, what would you like to happen >> when you install it? Just print warnings at build time? Something else? > > I'd like everything to just work. Perfectly. Without me ever having to > think about anything. > > And a pony. Me too. >> One change I'm considering making is to require a version number key in >> config.yaml, something like: >> >> version: 0.50 >> >> Then, if you try and use a newer version of SVN::Web with an older >> config file it can easily detect this, and generate an error page >> pointing you at the documentation for updating. Obviously, that's a >> run-time check rather than a build time check, but would that be sufficient? > > For me that would be sufficient. Not ideal, but a lot better than > things are now. OK. I'll add that. > Do you expect that the templates and stuff will change (almost) every > release? Yes. Although there are two kinds of changes -- changes that just affect the look and feel, and changes that affect the data that's passed to the template for display. The former are much easier to deal with than the latter. > Or, might it be possible to fall back to the default templates, which > would be hidden somewhere in the installation, if the templates haven't > been altered? This would mean that I would only need config.yaml in my > svnweb directory, and I'd automatically get the updated templates etc. That's what happens with .po files now (in 0.50 the po/ directory isn't created by svnweb-install any more). That generally works, as they change much less frequently. It'll probably work for templates, although I don't have much information on whether anyone's ever bothered making significant local alterations to the templates. I'll do some testing. N From paul at pjcj.net Mon Nov 13 04:05:51 2006 From: paul at pjcj.net (Paul Johnson) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 13:05:51 +0100 Subject: Syntax highlighting in Perl In-Reply-To: <4558459C.4060304@ngo.org.uk> References: <45316C8F.7080206@ngo.org.uk> <20061015150018.GA18946@pjcj.net> <45326B79.9010308@ngo.org.uk> <20061112154647.GC17917@pjcj.net> <455788E1.7060500@ngo.org.uk> <20061112210728.GA20017@bestpractical.com> <4558459C.4060304@ngo.org.uk> Message-ID: <20061113120551.GE17917@pjcj.net> On Mon, Nov 13, 2006 at 10:14:52AM +0000, Nik Clayton wrote: > If you'd just downloaded this from CPAN, what would you like to happen > when you install it? Just print warnings at build time? Something else? I'd like everything to just work. Perfectly. Without me ever having to think about anything. And a pony. > One change I'm considering making is to require a version number key in > config.yaml, something like: > > version: 0.50 > > Then, if you try and use a newer version of SVN::Web with an older > config file it can easily detect this, and generate an error page > pointing you at the documentation for updating. Obviously, that's a > run-time check rather than a build time check, but would that be sufficient? For me that would be sufficient. Not ideal, but a lot better than things are now. Do you expect that the templates and stuff will change (almost) every release? That seems to be the case so far, and means that the version number would be OK. Otherwise you might consider a template version, or something. Or, might it be possible to fall back to the default templates, which would be hidden somewhere in the installation, if the templates haven't been altered? This would mean that I would only need config.yaml in my svnweb directory, and I'd automatically get the updated templates etc. -- Paul Johnson - paul at pjcj.net http://www.pjcj.net From pjm at sanger.ac.uk Mon Nov 13 13:16:51 2006 From: pjm at sanger.ac.uk (Paul Mooney) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:16:51 +0000 Subject: simple question Message-ID: <22d3a9730a7f5566d89592fedb0c2fb4@sanger.ac.uk> Hi, I used the scalar() function on a hash which is not exactly sane but I just wanted to know roughly what was in it. I expected it to treat the hash like a list but it did something quite different. Google has not helped me, neither has my "Programming Perl" (2nd edition). Can anyone tell me why the scalar value comes out as "5/8" in the code below? If 5 is the number of keys, is 8 some sort of storage value? Paul. #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w use strict; my %hash = ('a' => 1, 'b' => 2, 'c' => 3, 'd' => 4, 'e' => 5); print "BEFORE : hash scalar = ", scalar(%hash), "\n"; undef $hash{'a'}; print "AFTER : hash scalar = ", scalar(%hash), "\n"; $hash{'f'} = 6; print "AGAIN : hash scalar = ", scalar(%hash), "\n"; $hash{'g'} = 7; print "AGAIN : hash scalar = ", scalar(%hash), "\n"; $hash{'h'} = 8; print "AGAIN : hash scalar = ", scalar(%hash), "\n"; $hash{'i'} = 9; print "AGAIN : hash scalar = ", scalar(%hash), "\n"; ---Will give--- BEFORE : hash scalar = 5/8 AFTER : hash scalar = 5/8 AGAIN : hash scalar = 6/8 AGAIN : hash scalar = 7/8 AGAIN : hash scalar = 8/16 AGAIN : hash scalar = 9/16 From nik at ngo.org.uk Mon Nov 13 13:35:29 2006 From: nik at ngo.org.uk (Nik Clayton) Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:35:29 +0000 Subject: simple question In-Reply-To: <22d3a9730a7f5566d89592fedb0c2fb4@sanger.ac.uk> References: <22d3a9730a7f5566d89592fedb0c2fb4@sanger.ac.uk> Message-ID: <4558E521.1020804@ngo.org.uk> Paul Mooney wrote: > I used the scalar() function on a hash which is not exactly sane but I > just wanted to know roughly what was in it. I expected it to treat the > hash like a list but it did something quite different. Google has not > helped me, neither has my "Programming Perl" (2nd edition). > > Can anyone tell me why the scalar value comes out as "5/8" in the code > below? If 5 is the number of keys, is 8 some sort of storage value? % perldoc perldata ... If you evaluate a hash in scalar context, it returns false if the hash is empty. If there are any key/value pairs, it returns true; more precisely, the value returned is a string consisting of the number of used buckets and the number of allocated buckets, separated by a slash. This is pretty much useful only to find out whether Perl's internal hashing algorithm is performing poorly on your data set. For example, you stick 10,000 things in a hash, but evaluating %HASH in scalar context reveals "1/16", which means only one out of sixteen buckets has been touched, and presumably contains all 10,000 of your items. This isn't supposed to happen. ... N From tom at eborcom.com Wed Nov 15 03:06:40 2006 From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins) Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 11:06:40 +0000 Subject: Lunch Message-ID: <20061115110639.GA62739@eborcom.com> We've not been for lunch in ages. Who wants to volunteer to organise something before I start victimising people? The best part about volunteering is that you get to choose where we go. Tom From tom at eborcom.com Thu Nov 16 06:45:14 2006 From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins) Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2006 14:45:14 +0000 Subject: London Perl Workshop: Saturday 9th December 2006 In-Reply-To: <20061109120813.GA585@eborcom.com> References: <20061109120813.GA585@eborcom.com> Message-ID: <20061116144514.GA87486@eborcom.com> You can now sign up to attend the London Perl Workshop on 9th December. You don't have to pay anything and you get to spend the day learning Perl: http://london.pm.org/pipermail/london.pm/Week-of-Mon-20061113/005514.html The organisers are still looking for people to submit talks, particularly those who haven't presented before, especially biomedics. Tom From r.t.c.norfor at open.ac.uk Fri Nov 17 01:49:50 2006 From: r.t.c.norfor at open.ac.uk (Rod Norfor) Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 09:49:50 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Meeting on the 28th of November Message-ID: Hi Everyone, Since the 28th of November will be our last 'official' meeting before christmas, I thought it might be nice to go for a meal after meeting in wetherspoons. We can decide on the night which establishment to grace with our custom. Cheers. Rod From tom at eborcom.com Thu Nov 23 09:57:39 2006 From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins) Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:57:39 +0000 Subject: Meeting on the 28th of November In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20061123175739.GA19709@eborcom.com> On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 09:49:50AM +0000, Rod Norfor wrote: > Since the 28th of November will be our last 'official' meeting > before christmas, I thought it might be nice to go for a meal after > meeting in wetherspoons. Good plan. As Rod mentions, we're meeting in Wetherspoon's on Tuesday for a few beers and conversation about Perl, computers and many, many other things: http://miltonkeynes.openguides.org/?J.D_Wetherspoon%2C_Central_Milton_Keynes I'll get there around 8pm, but arrive earlier or later as you choose. But don't arrive too late, or we'll go for food without you! Our meetings usually attract around six people, but sometimes a few more. We usually have a good mix of regulars, occasional attendees and first-timers. If you want my mobile number to help find us, please ask off-list. As Rod mentions, we won't meet officially in December, but that didn't stop a select group from having an eventful evening last year. ;) I look to seeing you soon, Tom From nik at ngo.org.uk Fri Nov 24 06:30:54 2006 From: nik at ngo.org.uk (Nik Clayton) Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2006 14:30:54 +0000 Subject: Lunch In-Reply-To: <20061115110639.GA62739@eborcom.com> References: <20061115110639.GA62739@eborcom.com> Message-ID: <4567021E.8090903@ngo.org.uk> Tom Hukins wrote: > We've not been for lunch in ages. Who wants to volunteer to organise > something before I start victimising people? > > The best part about volunteering is that you get to choose where we > go. How about an mk.pm Xmas lunch? Note that I'm emphatically not volunteering to organise it (at least, not at the moment). Anyone got a preferred venue? And how much time do people think they could get off? It's a bit out of the way, but there's a very nice restaurant in Newport Pagnell called Robinsons that does an *excellent* 2 course lunch for a fiver. But once you factor in travel time lunch is going to be 90-120 minutes. N From tom at eborcom.com Tue Nov 28 00:28:58 2006 From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:28:58 +0000 Subject: Meeting on the 28th of November In-Reply-To: <20061123175739.GA19709@eborcom.com> References: <20061123175739.GA19709@eborcom.com> Message-ID: <20061128082858.GA35301@eborcom.com> Hi all, I thought I'd send a quick reminder to let you know that our last meeting of the year takes place this evening in Wetherspoon's at around 8pm: http://miltonkeynes.pm.org/ See you later, Tom From peter at dragonstaff.com Tue Nov 28 00:37:54 2006 From: peter at dragonstaff.com (Peter Edwards) Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:37:54 -0000 Subject: Lunch In-Reply-To: <4567021E.8090903@ngo.org.uk> Message-ID: <019d01c712c8$82febc00$6e01a8c0@DRAGON1> I can't make tonight's social meeting - have fun guys - but would be up for a lunch. Robinson's in Newport Pagnell sounds good and time wouldn't be an issue for me. Any preferred dates - how about Tues 12th December? (I can make 5/6/7, 12/13/14 December). Regards, Peter -----Original Message----- From: miltonkeynes-pm-bounces+peter=dragonstaff.com at pm.org [mailto:miltonkeynes-pm-bounces+peter=dragonstaff.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Nik Clayton Sent: 24 November 2006 14:31 To: Milton Keynes Perl Mongers Subject: Re: Lunch Tom Hukins wrote: > We've not been for lunch in ages. Who wants to volunteer to organise > something before I start victimising people? > > The best part about volunteering is that you get to choose where we > go. How about an mk.pm Xmas lunch? Note that I'm emphatically not volunteering to organise it (at least, not at the moment). Anyone got a preferred venue? And how much time do people think they could get off? It's a bit out of the way, but there's a very nice restaurant in Newport Pagnell called Robinsons that does an *excellent* 2 course lunch for a fiver. But once you factor in travel time lunch is going to be 90-120 minutes. N _______________________________________________ MiltonKeynes-pm mailing list MiltonKeynes-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/miltonkeynes-pm From pjm at sanger.ac.uk Thu Nov 30 14:12:28 2006 From: pjm at sanger.ac.uk (Paul Mooney) Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2006 22:12:28 +0000 Subject: Lunch In-Reply-To: <019d01c712c8$82febc00$6e01a8c0@DRAGON1> References: <019d01c712c8$82febc00$6e01a8c0@DRAGON1> Message-ID: <15a34214bc2696a50e48f38bb4eef624@sanger.ac.uk> On 28 Nov 2006, at 08:37, Peter Edwards wrote: > I can't make tonight's social meeting - have fun guys - but would be > up for > a lunch. > Robinson's in Newport Pagnell sounds good and time wouldn't be an > issue for > me. > Any preferred dates - how about Tues 12th December? (I can make 5/6/7, > 12/13/14 December). I can make all those dates since its not a Tuesday evening (its the one night a week the wife has booked for college :) Newport Pagnell is actually a lot closer to my house (I work from home) and I'm more than happy with a long lunch ;) Anyone else? > > Regards, Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: miltonkeynes-pm-bounces+peter=dragonstaff.com at pm.org > [mailto:miltonkeynes-pm-bounces+peter=dragonstaff.com at pm.org] On > Behalf Of > Nik Clayton > Sent: 24 November 2006 14:31 > To: Milton Keynes Perl Mongers > Subject: Re: Lunch > > Tom Hukins wrote: >> We've not been for lunch in ages. Who wants to volunteer to organise >> something before I start victimising people? >> >> The best part about volunteering is that you get to choose where we >> go. > > How about an mk.pm Xmas lunch? Note that I'm emphatically not > volunteering > to organise it (at least, not at the moment). > > Anyone got a preferred venue? And how much time do people think they > could > get off? > > It's a bit out of the way, but there's a very nice restaurant in > Newport > Pagnell called Robinsons that does an *excellent* 2 course lunch for a > fiver. But once you factor in travel time lunch is going to be 90-120 > minutes. > > N > _______________________________________________ > MiltonKeynes-pm mailing list > MiltonKeynes-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/miltonkeynes-pm > > > _______________________________________________ > MiltonKeynes-pm mailing list > MiltonKeynes-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/miltonkeynes-pm