From michael at galton.ucl.ac.uk Thu Mar 2 04:04:22 2006 From: michael at galton.ucl.ac.uk (michael) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 12:04:22 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Perl Leaving gift In-Reply-To: <20051017173603.GA14445@eborcom.com> References: <20051017173603.GA14445@eborcom.com> Message-ID: <20060302115015.E11498@ash.gene.ucl.ac.uk> Tina (the other perl programmer our group) is leaving for pastures new she reads london.pm so I'll ask here. Any suggestions for a good leaving gift? We should have about 50 quid to spend, A perl book seems a bit dull, it would be nice to get her something perl themed or failing that something geekey -- Michael From tom at eborcom.com Thu Mar 2 11:16:30 2006 From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins) Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2006 19:16:30 +0000 Subject: Technical Meeting: Tuesday 14th March Message-ID: <20060302191630.GA74112@eborcom.com> Milton Keynes Perl Mongers will hold our first technical meeting on Tuesday 14th March, featuring the following talks: Databases and Perl (Dave Cross) Gathering information from the Web with WWW::Mechanize (Tom Hukins) Testing Legacy Code (Nik Clayton) Integrating Data Sets to Bespoke Applications via XML::Twig (Rod Norfor) The meeting will take place at SpiraHellic Multimedia's offices on Wolverton Road between New Bradwell and Great Linford: http://www.spira.co.uk/contact.htm Please arrive at 7pm so we can start the meeting at 7.15. We have plenty of parking spaces for those who drive. The office is a short walk from Marlborough Roundabout, for those who use public transport, but if you ask on the mailing list someone might offer a lift. Afterwards we'll head to the pub for a few drinks and further discussion. I look forward to seeing you all soon. Please ask if you would like more details. Tom From nik at ngo.org.uk Thu Mar 2 14:40:16 2006 From: nik at ngo.org.uk (Nik Clayton) Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2006 22:40:16 +0000 Subject: Profiling Perl app memory usage In-Reply-To: <43E4C81E.2010105@ngo.org.uk> References: <43E1F603.8000403@ngo.org.uk> <43E4C81E.2010105@ngo.org.uk> Message-ID: <44077450.7060508@ngo.org.uk> Nik Clayton wrote: > Nik Clayton wrote: >> Is anyone aware of anything that makes it easier to portably track a Perl >> app's memory usage? > > [...] > >> Walking through CPAN modules that match /devel/i and /prof/i I can't see >> anything that can reliably extract this information. >> >> Anyone know of anything, or can suggest an approach? > > Phil Pennock suggested I look at BSD::Resource, which seems to be a good > fit. Thanks Phil. > > So, here's Devel::Memory. Scratch that. Devel::Instrument::Memory. Close-to-final, ready-for-CPAN code is at http://jc.ngo.org.uk/svnweb/jc/browse/nik/CPAN/Devel-Instrument-Memory/trunk/ Comments? N From nbowden at dsl.pipex.com Sun Mar 12 12:26:48 2006 From: nbowden at dsl.pipex.com (Nigel Bowden) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 20:26:48 -0000 Subject: Tech Meeting Tuesday Night Message-ID: <000f01c64613$4a593100$0201010a@LC51093> Hi, I'm working down at my Hemel office this week, so I'll be popping along to your tech meet on Tues night if that's OK. All the best. Nigel (Birmingham PM - well, I've been to one tech meet anyway...) From tom at eborcom.com Sun Mar 12 15:59:53 2006 From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins) Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 23:59:53 +0000 Subject: Tech Meeting Tuesday Night In-Reply-To: <000f01c64613$4a593100$0201010a@LC51093> References: <000f01c64613$4a593100$0201010a@LC51093> Message-ID: <20060312235953.GA32968@eborcom.com> On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 08:26:48PM -0000, Nigel Bowden wrote: > I'm working down at my Hemel office this week, so I'll be popping > along to your tech meet on Tues night if that's OK. Of course. See you Tuesday. > Nigel > (Birmingham PM - well, I've been to one tech meet anyway...) Hey, me too! Tom From peterdragon at users.sourceforge.net Sun Mar 12 23:50:25 2006 From: peterdragon at users.sourceforge.net (Peter Edwards) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:50:25 -0000 Subject: Tech Meeting Tuesday Night In-Reply-To: <20060312235953.GA32968@eborcom.com> Message-ID: <000001c64672$cbbe24d0$6401a8c0@metis> Hi Guys, hope to see you at the tech meeting on Tuesday. I live at the top of Great Linford so that's a handy venue! Cheers, Peter From peterdragon at users.sourceforge.net Sun Mar 12 23:50:25 2006 From: peterdragon at users.sourceforge.net (Peter Edwards) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 07:50:25 -0000 Subject: Tech Meeting Tuesday Night In-Reply-To: <20060312235953.GA32968@eborcom.com> Message-ID: <000001c64672$cbbe24d0$6401a8c0@metis> Hi Guys, hope to see you at the tech meeting on Tuesday. I live at the top of Great Linford so that's a handy venue! Cheers, Peter From barbie at missbarbell.co.uk Mon Mar 13 04:19:46 2006 From: barbie at missbarbell.co.uk (Barbie) Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 12:19:46 +0000 Subject: Tech Meeting Tuesday Night In-Reply-To: <20060312235953.GA32968@eborcom.com> References: <000f01c64613$4a593100$0201010a@LC51093> <20060312235953.GA32968@eborcom.com> Message-ID: <20060313121946.GC6062@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk> On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 11:59:53PM +0000, Tom Hukins wrote: > On Sun, Mar 12, 2006 at 08:26:48PM -0000, Nigel Bowden wrote: > > > Nigel > > (Birmingham PM - well, I've been to one tech meet anyway...) > > Hey, me too! And you're both always welcome to any others you can make ;) Cheers, Barbie From tom at eborcom.com Mon Mar 20 04:14:13 2006 From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 12:14:13 +0000 Subject: Meeting Date Changes Message-ID: <20060320121413.GA36769@eborcom.com> We talked about switching meeting dates from Thursdays to Tuesdays after last week's meeting as more people can make Tuesday. Unless anyone objects, we'll switch the meeting from 30th March to the 28th. If anyone has read about the meeting on our Web site, but doesn't follow the list, they'll show up on the wrong day, which worries me a little. Does this affect Birmingham.pm's planned visit on 25th May? http://birmingham.pm.org/ Tom From barbie at missbarbell.co.uk Mon Mar 20 12:46:19 2006 From: barbie at missbarbell.co.uk (Barbie) Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 20:46:19 +0000 Subject: Meeting Date Changes In-Reply-To: <20060320121413.GA36769@eborcom.com> References: <20060320121413.GA36769@eborcom.com> Message-ID: <20060320204619.GA13741@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk> On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 12:14:13PM +0000, Tom Hukins wrote: > > Does this affect Birmingham.pm's planned visit on 25th May? > http://birmingham.pm.org/ Well Tuesdays would suit me better too ;) If you want to go with 23rd May that's fine with me. Just let me know asap, so I can let everyone else know. Cheers, Barbie. From tom at eborcom.com Tue Mar 21 04:19:49 2006 From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:19:49 +0000 Subject: Meeting Date Changes In-Reply-To: <20060320204619.GA13741@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk> References: <20060320121413.GA36769@eborcom.com> <20060320204619.GA13741@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <20060321121949.GA70097@eborcom.com> On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 08:46:19PM +0000, Barbie wrote: > On Mon, Mar 20, 2006 at 12:14:13PM +0000, Tom Hukins wrote: > > > > Does this affect Birmingham.pm's planned visit on 25th May? > > http://birmingham.pm.org/ > > Well Tuesdays would suit me better too ;) > > If you want to go with 23rd May that's fine with me. Just let me know > asap, so I can let everyone else know. So nobody objects. Well, almost nobody: this probably won't help Ian with his steak/curry confusion. We'll switch all our meetings to Tuesday as of next week (Tuesday 28th March). So, see you all in a week's time. I'll update the Web page this evening. Tom From I.A.Cameron at open.ac.uk Tue Mar 21 04:34:29 2006 From: I.A.Cameron at open.ac.uk (Ian Cameron) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 12:34:29 +0000 Subject: Meeting Date Changes In-Reply-To: <20060321121949.GA70097@eborcom.com> References: <20060320121413.GA36769@eborcom.com> <20060320204619.GA13741@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk> <20060321121949.GA70097@eborcom.com> Message-ID: Tom Hukins said: > So nobody objects. Well, almost nobody: this probably won't help Ian > with his steak/curry confusion. I suppose I could bring my own curry ;) -- Cheers, Ian. From r.t.c.norfor at open.ac.uk Tue Mar 21 05:47:40 2006 From: r.t.c.norfor at open.ac.uk (Rod Norfor) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 13:47:40 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Meeting Date Changes In-Reply-To: References: <20060320121413.GA36769@eborcom.com> <20060320204619.GA13741@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk> <20060321121949.GA70097@eborcom.com> Message-ID: Are can we go for a curry? Rod On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Ian Cameron wrote: > Tom Hukins said: > > So nobody objects. Well, almost nobody: this probably won't help Ian > > with his steak/curry confusion. > > I suppose I could bring my own curry ;) > > -- > Cheers, Ian. > > > _______________________________________________ > MiltonKeynes-pm mailing list > MiltonKeynes-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/miltonkeynes-pm > From r.t.c.norfor at open.ac.uk Tue Mar 21 07:22:55 2006 From: r.t.c.norfor at open.ac.uk (Rod Norfor) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 15:22:55 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Meeting Date Changes In-Reply-To: References: <20060320121413.GA36769@eborcom.com> <20060320204619.GA13741@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk> <20060321121949.GA70097@eborcom.com> Message-ID: Or in english... ( Having a bad day)... Or we could go for a curry? On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Rod Norfor wrote: > Are can we go for a curry? > > Rod > > > On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Ian Cameron wrote: > > > Tom Hukins said: > > > So nobody objects. Well, almost nobody: this probably won't help Ian > > > with his steak/curry confusion. > > > > I suppose I could bring my own curry ;) > > > > -- > > Cheers, Ian. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > MiltonKeynes-pm mailing list > > MiltonKeynes-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/miltonkeynes-pm > > > _______________________________________________ > MiltonKeynes-pm mailing list > MiltonKeynes-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/miltonkeynes-pm > From tom at eborcom.com Tue Mar 21 08:18:28 2006 From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:18:28 +0000 Subject: Meeting Date Changes In-Reply-To: References: <20060320121413.GA36769@eborcom.com> <20060320204619.GA13741@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk> <20060321121949.GA70097@eborcom.com> Message-ID: <20060321161828.GA71742@eborcom.com> On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 03:22:55PM +0000, Rod Norfor wrote: > ( Having a bad day)... Maybe it's about to get worse. > Or we could go for a curry? Do we have a volunteer for organising social meetings? If anyone wants to look after this let me know. If it's up to me, I know I won't get round to booking anything for next week. I haven't even put last week's slides online yet. But I do like curry. Tom From r.t.c.norfor at open.ac.uk Tue Mar 21 08:29:54 2006 From: r.t.c.norfor at open.ac.uk (Rod Norfor) Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2006 16:29:54 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Meeting Date Changes In-Reply-To: <20060321161828.GA71742@eborcom.com> References: <20060320121413.GA36769@eborcom.com> <20060320204619.GA13741@smtp.blueyonder.co.uk> <20060321121949.GA70097@eborcom.com> <20060321161828.GA71742@eborcom.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Mar 2006, Tom Hukins wrote: > On Tue, Mar 21, 2006 at 03:22:55PM +0000, Rod Norfor wrote: > > ( Having a bad day)... > > Maybe it's about to get worse. > It does seem to be... > > Or we could go for a curry? > > Do we have a volunteer for organising social meetings? If anyone wants > to look after this let me know. > > If it's up to me, I know I won't get round to booking anything for next > week. I haven't even put last week's slides online yet. But I do like > curry. We could just see who is there by 9/10 ish and then go from there... Saying that, I will have to check if I can make the Tuesday... Rod From tom at eborcom.com Mon Mar 27 06:31:30 2006 From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 15:31:30 +0100 Subject: Meeting: Tuesday 28th March Message-ID: <20060327143129.GB89672@eborcom.com> Wow, March went quickly. So it's time again for us to go to the pub according to our shiny MeetingDates 2.0, which means on Tuesday not Thursday. As usual, we'll meet in Wetherspoon's near the railway station (not the one in the snow dome). I'll show up some time between 7 and 7.30, but feel free to arrive whenever suits you. But don't arrive too late because we might spontaneously go elsewhere for curry. As always, we welcome newcomers: if you'd like my mobile number please ask off list. See the Web site for more details: http://miltonkeynes.pm.org/ See you all soon, Tom From I.A.Cameron at open.ac.uk Mon Mar 27 12:27:01 2006 From: I.A.Cameron at open.ac.uk (Ian Cameron) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:27:01 +0100 Subject: CPAN install nightmare Message-ID: Hello, I'm trying to install Connotea http://www.connotea.org/code#setup on a machine here at work for someone, and am having a bit of a problem with the stuff CPAN has installed. I basically followed the instructions on the above page to install the various required modules. This seemed to be OK, but I'm now finding that I have a perl executable in both /usr/bin and /usr/local/bin. This wouldn't be too bad, but some of the installed modules seem to have installed under /usr/lib/perl5 and others under /usr/local/lib/perl5. I'm rather confused, and not sure where to go from here. Can modules installed under each setup be used together, and if so how? The new perl is the one in /usr/local/bin, which is 5.8.8, the one in /usr/bin is 5.8.5 and came via the RHEL RPM's. I presume the 5.8.8 version was installed to satisfy a dependency when I installed one of the other modules. How is the location of installed modules decided, and how does Perl know where to look for them? Help! TIA. -- Cheers, Ian. From mkpm-20051014 at djce.org.uk Mon Mar 27 12:52:18 2006 From: mkpm-20051014 at djce.org.uk (Dave Evans) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 21:52:18 +0100 Subject: CPAN install nightmare In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060327205218.GA7776@ratty> On Mon, Mar 27, 2006 at 09:27:01PM +0100, Ian Cameron wrote: > Hello, Hi. Easy questions first. > How is the location of installed modules decided? Each installation of Perl has a whole bunch of "Config" values (which were chosen when perl was built), including things such as where to install modules, where to install `bin' or `sbin' files, etc. For example, try typing `perl -V:sitearch' to see where (IIRC) CPAN will tend to install modules. > How does Perl know where to look for them? Each `perl' executable has a compiled-in default search path. Type `/path/to/perl -V' to see the default list. > Can modules installed under each setup be used together, and if so how? Sometimes (in fact, usually). However, it's not usually a good idea. You would do this by adding the extra directories to the lib search path, e.g. using `perl -I ...' or `use lib ...'. > The new perl is the one in /usr/local/bin, which is 5.8.8, the one in > /usr/bin is 5.8.5 and came via the RHEL RPM's. I presume the 5.8.8 version > was installed to satisfy a dependency when I installed one of the other > modules. Sounds convincing. Sometimes a module will decide that it requires a whole new version of Perl, so CPAN will "helpfully" download and install a new Perl for you. And no, I've never found this to be a useful behaviour. :-( Personally what I would do now is disregard the new perl (i.e. the one under /usr/local), and try installing the modules you require using the packaged perl. Beware: when you start CPAN (e.g. by typing 'cpan', or 'perl -MCPAN -eshell'), make sure you type the full path to the correct perl / cpan. For example, "/usr/bin/perl -MCPAN -eshell" will install things under your RPM'd perl, whereas "/usr/local/bin/perl -MCPAN -eshell" whill install things for your new /usr/local perl; whereas the behaviour of "perl -MCPAN -eshell" depends on which `perl` is in your $PATH first. Did that make sense? -- Dave Evans PGP key: http://rudolf.org.uk/pgpkey -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Lightning talks don't even need to be about Perl, provided they have something to interest our audience. If you would like any help or advice with your talk, please ask me in person, on the list or on IRC. Let's see if we can get enough material together to hold more talks in May or June. Tom From I.A.Cameron at open.ac.uk Mon Mar 27 14:40:21 2006 From: I.A.Cameron at open.ac.uk (Ian Cameron) Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2006 23:40:21 +0100 Subject: CPAN install nightmare In-Reply-To: <20060327205218.GA7776@ratty> References: <20060327205218.GA7776@ratty> Message-ID: Thanks for your response, very helpful indeed. Dave Evans said: > > How is the location of installed modules decided? > > Each installation of Perl has a whole bunch of "Config" values (which were > chosen when perl was built), including things such as where to install > modules, where to install `bin' or `sbin' files, etc. For example, try typ= > ing > `perl -V:sitearch' to see where (IIRC) CPAN will tend to install modules. > > > How does Perl know where to look for them? > > Each `perl' executable has a compiled-in default search path. Type > `/path/to/perl -V' to see the default list. OK, so /usr/bin/perl does its stuff under /usr/lib and /usr/local/bin/perl does its stuff under /usr/local/lib. Makes sense, and nice to know for sure where each executable is looking. > > Can modules installed under each setup be used together, and if so how? > > Sometimes (in fact, usually). However, it's not usually a good idea. > You would do this by adding the extra directories to the lib search path, e= > .g. > using `perl -I ...' or `use lib ...'. OK. I can see that being a PITA whatever way you try and do it anyway, so it does seem like something that's best avoided. > > The new perl is the one in /usr/local/bin, which is 5.8.8, the one in > > /usr/bin is 5.8.5 and came via the RHEL RPM's. I presume the 5.8.8 versi= > on > > was installed to satisfy a dependency when I installed one of the other > > modules. > > Sounds convincing. Sometimes a module will decide that it requires a > whole new version of Perl, so CPAN will "helpfully" download and install a = > new > Perl for you. And no, I've never found this to be a useful behaviour. :-( I found out which module it was, and realised that it is already available on the system, so hopefully it won't be necessary to update it, thus avoiding the perl update. Presumably you can't disregard the new updated perl if you have to get a newer version to install a module though? I'm guessing you either go without it and also whatever it is that requires it, or you end up having to spend quite a bit of time installing all the modules present in the older version for the new version to support previously installed applications? > Personally what I would do now is disregard the new perl (i.e. the one under > /usr/local), and try installing the modules you require using the packaged > perl. Beware: when you start CPAN (e.g. by typing 'cpan', or 'perl -MCPAN= > -eshell'), > make sure you type the full path to the correct perl / cpan. > > For example, > "/usr/bin/perl -MCPAN -eshell" > will install things under your RPM'd perl, whereas > "/usr/local/bin/perl -MCPAN -eshell" > whill install things for your new /usr/local perl; whereas the behaviour of > "perl -MCPAN -eshell" > depends on which `perl` is in your $PATH first. > > Did that make sense? Yup, makes sense thanks. I intend to rip out the perl installation under /usr/local, as I think it's only going to make things difficult otherwise. OK, I've gone back through the modules install using /usr/bin/cpan each time, and this has helped a lot. I also used /usr/bin/perl with a Makefile.PL as well, and this has meant that the package in question went into /usr/lib and not /usr/local/lib. Looking good so far. Thanks for clearing that up for me. -- Cheers, Ian. From jns at gellyfish.com Mon Mar 27 23:53:45 2006 From: jns at gellyfish.com (Jonathan Stowe) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 08:53:45 +0100 Subject: CPAN install nightmare In-Reply-To: References: <20060327205218.GA7776@ratty> Message-ID: <1143532424.5834.12.camel@orpheus.gellyfish.com> On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 23:40, Ian Cameron wrote: > I found out which module it was, and realised that it is already available on > the system, so hopefully it won't be necessary to update it, thus avoiding the > perl update. > I thought that this behaviour had gone away quite some time ago, also over the last few years modules that are in the core that are getting updated with every Perl release have increasingly tended to get dual-lives in the Core and in the CPAN so this is less likely to happen anyway, if something still has a dependency on a particular version of a module that is in the Core then it's either bad luck or laziness on someones part. Save the world adopt a module that has been abandoned to the core! > Presumably you can't disregard the new updated perl if you have to get a newer > version to install a module though? I'm guessing you either go without it and > also whatever it is that requires it, or you end up having to spend quite a bit > of time installing all the modules present in the older version for the new > version to support previously installed applications? > I would recommend using the new perl for new applications and leaving the old one for the stuff that uses it that came with the OS, installing the modules is not really, just so long as you have a reasonable network connection: /usr/bin/perl -MCPAN -e'autobundle' Wrote bundle file /home/jonathan/.cpan/Bundle/Snapshot_2006_03_28_00.pm /usr/local/bin/perl -MCPAN -e'install "Bundle::Snapshot_2006_03_28_00"' et voila! You may have to edit the Bundle/Snapshot_2006_03_28_00.pm to get some things in the right order if it gets confused about the dependencies but that generally will work great. /J\ -- This e-mail is sponsored by http://www.integration-house.com/ From I.A.Cameron at open.ac.uk Tue Mar 28 07:16:30 2006 From: I.A.Cameron at open.ac.uk (Ian Cameron) Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2006 16:16:30 +0100 Subject: CPAN install nightmare In-Reply-To: <1143532424.5834.12.camel@orpheus.gellyfish.com> References: <20060327205218.GA7776@ratty> <1143532424.5834.12.camel@orpheus.gellyfish.com> Message-ID: Jonathan Stowe said: > On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 23:40, Ian Cameron wrote: > I would recommend using the new perl for new applications and leaving > the old one for the stuff that uses it that came with the OS, installing > the modules is not really, just so long as you have a reasonable network > connection: > > /usr/bin/perl -MCPAN -e'autobundle' > > > > Wrote bundle file > /home/jonathan/.cpan/Bundle/Snapshot_2006_03_28_00.pm > > > /usr/local/bin/perl -MCPAN -e'install "Bundle::Snapshot_2006_03_28_00"' > > > > et voila! That's very useful to know for the future, thanks. I'm glad to say that after fixing a few more dependency issues Connotea is now up and running. -- Cheers, Ian. From tom at eborcom.com Wed Mar 29 00:36:25 2006 From: tom at eborcom.com (Tom Hukins) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 09:36:25 +0100 Subject: YAPC::Europe 2006: Birmingham, 30th August to 1st September Message-ID: <20060329083625.GA38308@eborcom.com> Europe's community organised Perl conference takes place in Birmingham this year: http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=06/03/28/2327245 YAPC::Europe always offers a cheap, fun way to learn about Perl with three days of talks and all sorts of interesting discussion outside of the talks: http://yapceurope.org/ See you there, Tom From M.B.Gaved at open.ac.uk Wed Mar 29 10:56:59 2006 From: M.B.Gaved at open.ac.uk (M.B.Gaved) Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2006 19:56:59 +0100 Subject: Milton Keynes Open Guide Message-ID: Hi all Mark here, some of you met me last night at the perl meeting in JD Wetherspoons. Tom Hukins suggested I post up a link to the Milton Keynes Open Guide, seeing you're lovers of all thing perl, and have something to do with our fair city :-) so here you go: http://miltonkeynes.openguides.org/ a community guide for Milton Keynes - and if your favourite pub/cafe/park isn't in there, please feel free to add your own review (or edit someone elses). Me and Tom Heath (also at the Open University) manage the guide, and it's hosted and sysadmin'd by Chris Schmidt in Boston. We chat a lot to the London Open Guides folks, but we're really keen for more MK people to come on board the local guide. Give us a shout if you fancy getting involved at any level from the deeply involved to the occasional pint of beer and chat. Kake Pugh wrote a far better description of Open Guides' perl-ness than I could manage: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2003/10/31/openguides.html all the best Mark Mark Gaved Knowledge Media Institute The Open University Walton Hall Milton Keynes, UK MK7 6AA From tonye at e-rm.co.uk Thu Mar 30 08:11:48 2006 From: tonye at e-rm.co.uk (Tony Edwardson) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:11:48 +0100 Subject: Perl Vacancy in Milton Keynes Message-ID: <442C0344.1090809@e-rm.co.uk> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/miltonkeynes-pm/attachments/20060330/7f22f30a/attachment.html From tom.heath at gmail.com Thu Mar 30 08:26:13 2006 From: tom.heath at gmail.com (Tom Heath) Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2006 17:26:13 +0100 Subject: Thanks for the MKPM Social Message-ID: Hi folks, Yeah I just wanted to follow up Mark's email from the other day and say Hi, and thanks for a good social on Tuesday. Was good a meet you all :) Please feel free to hack the entry for MKPM on the Open Guide to Milton Keynes into some more interesting shape, and of course chip in any other entries you want. http://miltonkeynes.openguides.org/?Milton_Keynes_Perl_Mongers The little "put your bookshelf online" app i was talking to some of you about is at ok, ttfn, and see you again sometime soon, Cheers, Tom.