From toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au Thu Feb 4 18:37:13 2016 From: toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au (Toby Corkindale) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 13:37:13 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Alpine Linux and Perl Message-ID: Hi Alpine Linux is an extremely-stripped-down Linux distro, with decent package management. For my JVM-based apps, I can make an extremely compact Docker image, and the less there is installed, the less there is to be exploited. Is anyone using Alpine Linux with Perl, and is building CPAN modules with XS code? I'm failing, because the Perl package it installs doen't contain neccesary C header files. I'm an Alpine novice though. I wondered if anyone else can save me time and explain the required process.. if there is one? Or maybe one just needs to build a statically linked Perl + all your required packages outside of the container, and then shove the whole lot inside? (Not dissimilar to how a .jar works, or Go binaries, except it's a lot easier with them!) Toby From dean at fragfest.com.au Thu Feb 4 18:47:46 2016 From: dean at fragfest.com.au (Dean Hamstead) Date: Fri, 05 Feb 2016 13:47:46 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Alpine Linux and Perl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alpine is very cool. However, regardless of the distro using perlbrew/plenv is really the way to go IMO Dean On 2016-02-05 13:47, melbourne-pm-owner at pm.org wrote: > Your message has been rejected, probably because you are not > subscribed to the mailing list and the list's policy is to prohibit > non-members from posting to it. If you think that your messages are > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at > melbourne-pm-owner at pm.org. From alfiej at fastmail.fm Tue Feb 9 16:01:18 2016 From: alfiej at fastmail.fm (Alfie John) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 10:01:18 +1000 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Next meeting - 23rd Feb, 2016 In-Reply-To: <1453257090.3484385.497060114.4C620CC9@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1453154551.1606855.495640298.1F9868D2@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1453256919.3483885.497058570.51F1EB62@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1453257090.3484385.497060114.4C620CC9@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1455062478.1806735.516782170.5CAFFBB3@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hi everyone, The list has been a bit quiet about this month's meeting. I did talk to a handful of people at LCA about coming along, but to get a rough figure, could anyone who's thinking of coming along please send me an email. PSA: It's on Tuesday the 23rd. Thanks! Alfie On Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 12:31 PM, Alfie John wrote: > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Alfie John wrote: > > I've had to change the date, so it will now be on the Wednesday, the > > 23rd of Feb. > > Did I just do that :/ I meant Tuesday, the 23rd of February! > > Alfie > > -- > Alfie John alfiej at fastmail.fm > _______________________________________________ > Melbourne-pm mailing list Melbourne-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm -- Alfie From dean at fragfest.com.au Tue Feb 9 16:08:52 2016 From: dean at fragfest.com.au (Dean Hamstead) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 11:08:52 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Next meeting - 23rd Feb, 2016 In-Reply-To: <1455062478.1806735.516782170.5CAFFBB3@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1453154551.1606855.495640298.1F9868D2@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1453256919.3483885.497058570.51F1EB62@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1453257090.3484385.497060114.4C620CC9@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1455062478.1806735.516782170.5CAFFBB3@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Jason from Sydney PM organized a perl BoF which afaik went ok? On 2016-02-10 11:01, Alfie John wrote: > Hi everyone, > > The list has been a bit quiet about this month's meeting. I did > talk to a handful of people at LCA about coming along, but to get a > rough figure, could anyone who's thinking of coming along please > send me an email. > > PSA: It's on Tuesday the 23rd. > > Thanks! > > Alfie > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 12:31 PM, Alfie John wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Alfie John wrote: >> > I've had to change the date, so it will now be on the Wednesday, the >> > 23rd of Feb. >> >> Did I just do that :/ I meant Tuesday, the 23rd of February! >> >> Alfie >> >> -- >> Alfie John alfiej at fastmail.fm >> _______________________________________________ >> Melbourne-pm mailing list Melbourne-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm From brong at fastmail.fm Tue Feb 9 20:14:24 2016 From: brong at fastmail.fm (Bron Gondwana) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 15:14:24 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Next meeting - 23rd Feb, 2016 In-Reply-To: References: <1453154551.1606855.495640298.1F9868D2@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1453256919.3483885.497058570.51F1EB62@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1453257090.3484385.497060114.4C620CC9@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1455062478.1806735.516782170.5CAFFBB3@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1455077664.1865354.516935458.3064C463@webmail.messagingengine.com> Yeah, it was good. Thanks Jason! We told some great war stories and talked about whether we would bother learning Perl 6 since we already know a great language which plays in much the same space ;) Bron. On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, at 11:08, Dean Hamstead wrote: > Jason from Sydney PM organized a perl BoF which afaik went ok? > > > > On 2016-02-10 11:01, Alfie John wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > > > The list has been a bit quiet about this month's meeting. I did > > talk to a handful of people at LCA about coming along, but to get a > > rough figure, could anyone who's thinking of coming along please > > send me an email. > > > > PSA: It's on Tuesday the 23rd. > > > > Thanks! > > > > Alfie > > > > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 12:31 PM, Alfie John wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Alfie John wrote: > >> > I've had to change the date, so it will now be on the Wednesday, the > >> > 23rd of Feb. > >> > >> Did I just do that :/ I meant Tuesday, the 23rd of February! > >> > >> Alfie > >> > >> -- > >> Alfie John alfiej at fastmail.fm > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Melbourne-pm mailing list Melbourne-pm at pm.org > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm > _______________________________________________ > Melbourne-pm mailing list > Melbourne-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm -- Bron Gondwana brong at fastmail.fm From dean at fragfest.com.au Tue Feb 9 21:16:44 2016 From: dean at fragfest.com.au (Dean Hamstead) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:16:44 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Next meeting - 23rd Feb, 2016 In-Reply-To: <1455077664.1865354.516935458.3064C463@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1453154551.1606855.495640298.1F9868D2@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1453256919.3483885.497058570.51F1EB62@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1453257090.3484385.497060114.4C620CC9@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1455062478.1806735.516782170.5CAFFBB3@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1455077664.1865354.516935458.3064C463@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <79f42e0e0b8375bd6d544b52f0817c3c@fragfest.com.au> How receptive are people to having either a) miniconf or b) a perl track at ? Dean On 2016-02-10 15:14, Bron Gondwana wrote: > Yeah, it was good. Thanks Jason! We told some great war stories and > talked about whether we would bother learning Perl 6 since we already > know a great language which plays in much the same space ;) > > Bron. > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, at 11:08, Dean Hamstead wrote: >> Jason from Sydney PM organized a perl BoF which afaik went ok? >> >> >> >> On 2016-02-10 11:01, Alfie John wrote: >> > Hi everyone, >> > >> > The list has been a bit quiet about this month's meeting. I did >> > talk to a handful of people at LCA about coming along, but to get a >> > rough figure, could anyone who's thinking of coming along please >> > send me an email. >> > >> > PSA: It's on Tuesday the 23rd. >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > Alfie >> > >> > On Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 12:31 PM, Alfie John wrote: >> >> On Wed, Jan 20, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Alfie John wrote: >> >> > I've had to change the date, so it will now be on the Wednesday, the >> >> > 23rd of Feb. >> >> >> >> Did I just do that :/ I meant Tuesday, the 23rd of February! >> >> >> >> Alfie >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Alfie John alfiej at fastmail.fm >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Melbourne-pm mailing list Melbourne-pm at pm.org >> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm >> _______________________________________________ >> Melbourne-pm mailing list >> Melbourne-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm From mathew.blair.robertson at gmail.com Tue Feb 9 21:31:59 2016 From: mathew.blair.robertson at gmail.com (Mathew Robertson) Date: Wed, 10 Feb 2016 16:31:59 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Next meeting - 23rd Feb, 2016 In-Reply-To: <1455077664.1865354.516935458.3064C463@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1453154551.1606855.495640298.1F9868D2@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1453256919.3483885.497058570.51F1EB62@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1453257090.3484385.497060114.4C620CC9@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1455062478.1806735.516782170.5CAFFBB3@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1455077664.1865354.516935458.3064C463@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: Perl 6 brings some interesting stuff to the tables - has anyone used it in anger? Mathew On 10 February 2016 at 15:14, Bron Gondwana wrote: > Yeah, it was good. Thanks Jason! We told some great war stories and > talked about whether we would bother learning Perl 6 since we already > know a great language which plays in much the same space ;) > > Bron. > > On Wed, Feb 10, 2016, at 11:08, Dean Hamstead wrote: > > Jason from Sydney PM organized a perl BoF which afaik went ok? > > > > > > > > On 2016-02-10 11:01, Alfie John wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > > The list has been a bit quiet about this month's meeting. 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URL: From rjenkins at rjj.id.au Wed Feb 10 17:12:04 2016 From: rjenkins at rjj.id.au (Russell Jenkins) Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2016 12:12:04 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] irc.perl.org#australia Message-ID: <56BBDFE4.8060608@rjj.id.au> For those that hang out on irc, come join the fun on irc.perl.org#australia Russell. From melbourne-pm at popcorn.cx Sun Feb 14 12:17:12 2016 From: melbourne-pm at popcorn.cx (Stephen Edmonds) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2016 07:17:12 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Next meeting - 23rd Feb, 2016 In-Reply-To: <1455062478.1806735.516782170.5CAFFBB3@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1453154551.1606855.495640298.1F9868D2@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1453256919.3483885.497058570.51F1EB62@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1453257090.3484385.497060114.4C620CC9@webmail.messagingengine.com> <1455062478.1806735.516782170.5CAFFBB3@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: I should be there. 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URL: From sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au Fri Feb 19 07:04:28 2016 From: sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au (sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 02:04:28 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Looking for a (cheap) machine that provides 113-bit precision long double Message-ID: Hi guys, A recent bug report from Debian package managers (see https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Dist/Display.html?Status=Resolved;Name=Math-MPFR) ultimately alerted me to the fact that they are providing packages for a number of architectures that offer the 113-bit precision long doubles. Those architectures include alpha, arm64, mips64el and s390x. They weren't actually providing any -Duselongdouble builds of perl for those machines - which strikes me as being rather boringly unadventurous. Does anyone here happen to know if it's at all likely that I'd be able to purchase, second hand (and at a reasonable price), such a machine somewhere in Melbourne ? If so, where ? Or are these machines likely to be expensive ? (This is a whim that doesn't justify the spending of big money.) My ebay/gumtree/google-fu went missing tonight - all I can find is offers for iPads, Dell computers, or Acer laptops (mostly new). Even a link that puts me in the right ballpark would suffice - assuming that such a ballpark exists. Thoughts welcome !! Cheers, Rob From dan at jumbuk.com Fri Feb 19 14:57:54 2016 From: dan at jumbuk.com (Dan Tyrrell) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 09:57:54 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Looking for a (cheap) machine that provides 113-bit precision long double In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, Maybe QEMU or some other emulator? Cheers, Dan On 20 February 2016 at 02:04, wrote: > Hi guys, > > A recent bug report from Debian package managers (see > https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Dist/Display.html?Status=Resolved;Name=Math-MPFR) > ultimately alerted me to the fact that they are providing packages for a > number of architectures that offer the 113-bit precision long doubles. > Those architectures include alpha, arm64, mips64el and s390x. > > They weren't actually providing any -Duselongdouble builds of perl for those > machines - which strikes me as being rather boringly unadventurous. > > Does anyone here happen to know if it's at all likely that I'd be able to > purchase, second hand (and at a reasonable price), such a machine somewhere > in Melbourne ? > If so, where ? > > Or are these machines likely to be expensive ? (This is a whim that doesn't > justify the spending of big money.) > > My ebay/gumtree/google-fu went missing tonight - all I can find is offers > for iPads, Dell computers, or Acer laptops (mostly new). > Even a link that puts me in the right ballpark would suffice - assuming that > such a ballpark exists. > > Thoughts welcome !! > > Cheers, > Rob > _______________________________________________ > Melbourne-pm mailing list > Melbourne-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm From dean at fragfest.com.au Fri Feb 19 17:19:06 2016 From: dean at fragfest.com.au (Dean Hamstead) Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2016 12:19:06 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Looking for a (cheap) machine that provides 113-bit precision long double In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2de257eaf4a46f93b625a1e4be2e2e83@fragfest.com.au> dec alpha *may* be the most easily procured? tbh im not certain on arm64 and mips64el s390x (systemz) forget it. you probably dont want to spend the money on the power needed to run one for any useful length of time. ok thats an assumption. but these machines are basically a full rack or more. however, in the case of both dec alpha and s390x you might be able to get a shell account somewhere. either free or paid. google has lots of shell account providers but precious few that would be non-x86 Dean On 2016-02-20 02:04, sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au wrote: > Hi guys, > > A recent bug report from Debian package managers (see > https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Dist/Display.html?Status=Resolved;Name=Math-MPFR) > ultimately alerted me to the fact that they are providing packages for > a number of architectures that offer the 113-bit precision long > doubles. > Those architectures include alpha, arm64, mips64el and s390x. > > They weren't actually providing any -Duselongdouble builds of perl for > those machines - which strikes me as being rather boringly > unadventurous. > > Does anyone here happen to know if it's at all likely that I'd be able > to purchase, second hand (and at a reasonable price), such a machine > somewhere in Melbourne ? > If so, where ? > > Or are these machines likely to be expensive ? (This is a whim that > doesn't justify the spending of big money.) > > My ebay/gumtree/google-fu went missing tonight - all I can find is > offers for iPads, Dell computers, or Acer laptops (mostly new). > Even a link that puts me in the right ballpark would suffice - > assuming that such a ballpark exists. > > Thoughts welcome !! > > Cheers, > Rob > > _______________________________________________ > Melbourne-pm mailing list > Melbourne-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm From sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au Sun Feb 21 04:30:50 2016 From: sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au (sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au) Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 23:30:50 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Looking for a (cheap) machine that provides 113-bitprecision long double In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1FFB2554C5E24746BB7928B5C94CD2BD@OwnerPC311012> Hi Dan, Dean, Graeme, Thanks for your feedback. I'm not opposed to resorting to emulation, so long as it emulates reliably and accurately. And getting a shell account sounds a good option, too - you might as well ssh into a box on the other side of the world as ssh into a box that's sitting next to you. But I'll probably start with an email to luv-tech mailing list - focusing on finding a second hand alpha/arm64/mips64el box. I, too, suspect that dec alpha might be the the best chance. (s390x has been discarded :-) There's an element of "collector" in my make-up ... the "gee, I wouldn't mind having one of them" mentality. If I fail to locate such a machine then I can look at the first 2 options - this is not something that has to be settled immediately. Thanks again for your thoughts. Cheers, Rob From toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au Sun Feb 21 15:29:27 2016 From: toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au (Toby Corkindale) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 10:29:27 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] =?iso-8859-1?q?Looking_for_a_=28cheap=29_machine_t?= =?iso-8859-1?q?hat_provides_113-bit=09precision_long_double?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: https://wiki.debian.org/Arm64Qemu On Saturday, 20 February 2016 2:04:28 AM AEDT, sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au wrote: > Hi guys, > > A recent bug report from Debian package managers (see > https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Dist/Display.html?Status=Resolved;Name=Math-MPFR) > ultimately alerted me to the fact that they are providing > packages for a number of architectures that offer the 113-bit > precision long doubles. > Those architectures include alpha, arm64, mips64el and s390x. > > They weren't actually providing any -Duselongdouble builds of > perl for those machines - which strikes me as being rather > boringly unadventurous. > > Does anyone here happen to know if it's at all likely that I'd > be able to purchase, second hand (and at a reasonable price), > such a machine somewhere in Melbourne ? > If so, where ? > > Or are these machines likely to be expensive ? (This is a whim > that doesn't justify the spending of big money.) > > My ebay/gumtree/google-fu went missing tonight - all I can find > is offers for iPads, Dell computers, or Acer laptops (mostly > new). > Even a link that puts me in the right ballpark would suffice - > assuming that such a ballpark exists. > > Thoughts welcome !! > > Cheers, > Rob > From mathew.blair.robertson at gmail.com Sun Feb 21 15:45:23 2016 From: mathew.blair.robertson at gmail.com (Mathew Robertson) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 10:45:23 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Looking for a (cheap) machine that provides 113-bit precision long double In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Are you simply trying to get more precision? or better performance with a bit more precision? You could try Math::BigInt, Math::BigFloat, Math::BigRat Or use GMP ( http://gmplib.org/ )... aka: , Math::GMP, Math::GMPz, etc. On 22 February 2016 at 10:29, Toby Corkindale < toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au> wrote: > https://wiki.debian.org/Arm64Qemu > > > On Saturday, 20 February 2016 2:04:28 AM AEDT, sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au > wrote: > >> Hi guys, >> >> A recent bug report from Debian package managers (see >> https://rt.cpan.org/Public/Dist/Display.html?Status=Resolved;Name=Math-MPFR) >> ultimately alerted me to the fact that they are providing packages for a >> number of architectures that offer the 113-bit precision long doubles. >> Those architectures include alpha, arm64, mips64el and s390x. >> >> They weren't actually providing any -Duselongdouble builds of perl for >> those machines - which strikes me as being rather boringly unadventurous. >> >> Does anyone here happen to know if it's at all likely that I'd be able to >> purchase, second hand (and at a reasonable price), such a machine somewhere >> in Melbourne ? >> If so, where ? >> >> Or are these machines likely to be expensive ? 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URL: From sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au Sun Feb 21 17:09:54 2016 From: sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au (sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 12:09:54 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Looking for a (cheap) machine that provides 113-bit precision long double In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From: Mathew Robertson Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 10:45 AM To: Melbourne Perl Mongers Subject: Re: [Melbourne-pm] Looking for a (cheap) machine that provides 113-bit precision long double > Are you simply trying to get more precision? No, I just like fiddling about with different floating point types. It's really no more than a case of "a very simple mind engaging in very simple things". I have various perls here that provide NV's with 53-bit, 64-bit, 106-bit and 113-bit precision. The 113-bit precision NV is, however, of type __float128 - so I'm missing the 113-bit precision long double NV, and having such a -Duselongdouble build of perl would be a handy reference for me. The qemu option appears to be unavailable on my Debian wheezy (ppc64) box, as "update-binfmts --display | grep -i aarch" returns no matches. (Thanks for the link to the wiki, Toby.) I also checked on Ubuntu and, again, the command returned nothing. Cheers, Rob From toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au Sun Feb 21 20:17:00 2016 From: toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au (Toby Corkindale) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 15:17:00 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] =?iso-8859-1?q?Looking_for_a_=28cheap=29_machine_t?= =?iso-8859-1?q?hat_provides=09113-bit_precision_long_double?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <34ac22e6-ab55-4046-bb87-ad7858510395@strategicdata.com.au> On Monday, 22 February 2016 12:09:54 PM AEDT, sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au wrote: > The qemu option appears to be unavailable on my Debian wheezy > (ppc64) box, as "update-binfmts --display | grep -i aarch" > returns no matches. (Thanks for the link to the wiki, Toby.) > I also checked on Ubuntu and, again, the command returned nothing. If you have as much variants of hardware lying around as you implied in your last message, you should be able to dig up some plain old x86/amd64 gear, right? The qemu packages are all available for Ubuntu there. Once you've done that, you'll also have access to the qemu-s390x, alpha and mips64el emulators as well! Bonus! From sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au Mon Feb 22 03:19:52 2016 From: sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au (sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2016 22:19:52 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Looking for a (cheap) machine that provides 113-bit precision long double In-Reply-To: <34ac22e6-ab55-4046-bb87-ad7858510395@strategicdata.com.au> References: <34ac22e6-ab55-4046-bb87-ad7858510395@strategicdata.com.au> Message-ID: <949D0ECE4EC9475EBB27F16FEBDFA7A7@OwnerPC311012> -----Original Message----- From: Toby Corkindale Sent: Monday, February 22, 2016 3:17 PM To: melbourne-pm at pm.org Subject: Re: [Melbourne-pm]Looking for a (cheap) machine that provides 113-bit precision long double > If you have as much variants of hardware lying around as you implied in > your last message, you should be able to dig up some plain old x86/amd64 > gear, right? There's only 3 boxes here - a Windows7 box (Intel Core i5-3570 CPU), a PowerMac G5 with a PPC970 CPU now running Debian Wheezy, and a Ubuntu-14.04 box with an "AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4600+". I guess that last one fits the bill. > The qemu packages are all available for Ubuntu there. This is all completely new territory for me. I found: http://www.unixmen.com/how-to-install-and-configure-qemu-in-ubuntu/ I don't really understand the section "2. Creating Virtual machines", though I spose I might be able to work through it. > Once you've done that, you'll also have access to the qemu-s390x, alpha > and mips64el emulators as well! Bonus! I'd probably settle for just one - let's say, alpha. Do I therefore first need to locate an alpha iso image (or somesuch) ? Cheers, Rob From alfiej at fastmail.fm Mon Feb 22 11:51:24 2016 From: alfiej at fastmail.fm (Alfie John) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 05:51:24 +1000 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Next meeting - 24th Feb, 2016 (TONIGHT) In-Reply-To: <1453154551.1606855.495640298.1F9868D2@webmail.messagingengine.com> References: <1453154551.1606855.495640298.1F9868D2@webmail.messagingengine.com> Message-ID: <1456170684.2787492.528606066.288677B3@webmail.messagingengine.com> Hello Perl Mongers! Just a friendly reminder that Melbourne Perl Mongers is tonight at 6:30pm: FastMail Level 1, 91-97 William Street, Melbourne CBD Alfie On Tue, Jan 19, 2016, at 08:02 AM, Alfie John wrote: > Hello Perl Mongers! > > While Ricardo in is town, we've managed to convince him to give a talk. > If you would also like to present, want to let people know that you are > recruiting, or looking for work, please let the list know! > > The next Melbourne Perl Mongers meeting will be on Tuesday the 23th of > February, 2016 and will start around 6:30pm: > > FastMail > Level 1, > 91-97 William Street, > Melbourne CBD > > Ricardo Signes will be giving a talk titled "1.21 Gigawatts": > > Some talks carefully guide the listeners through the entirety of a > topic, starting with the basics and ending with the fine details. > Everybody in the audience leaves feeling like they've really learned > something thoroughly. That's? not the plan for today. Instead, we're > just going to see the highlight reel of a bunch of topics that caught > my interest over the course of the year: the best modules you're not > using, stupid optimization tricks, tools for handling catastrophic > program failure, git scripts you'll become dependent on, a review of > cool (and uncool) changes in Perl, productivity tools, and who knows > what else. I will stand in place and let lightning talks strike over > and over, until I am reduced to cinders. You get to witness the > ordeal, and you might just learn a thing or two. > > Ricardo Signes studied philosophy and religion, only to learn that no > jobs existed for these degrees apart from "Computer Programmer (Perl)." > He has tried to make do, becoming a frequent contributor to the CPAN and > finally, through some accident of fate, project manager ("pumpking") > for Perl 5 itself. In his free time he writes code that then deletes > it as quickly as possible, lest he have to maintain it. > > Alfie > > > -- > Alfie John > alfiej at fastmail.fm -- Alfie From toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au Mon Feb 22 16:41:24 2016 From: toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au (Toby Corkindale) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:41:24 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] =?iso-8859-1?q?Looking_for_a_=28cheap=29_machine_t?= =?iso-8859-1?q?hat_provides=09113-bit_precision_long_double?= In-Reply-To: <949D0ECE4EC9475EBB27F16FEBDFA7A7@OwnerPC311012> References: <34ac22e6-ab55-4046-bb87-ad7858510395@strategicdata.com.au> <949D0ECE4EC9475EBB27F16FEBDFA7A7@OwnerPC311012> Message-ID: <42cde76d-b360-4dbf-927e-88f3dab8c9af@strategicdata.com.au> On Monday, 22 February 2016 10:19:52 PM AEDT, sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au wrote: > This is all completely new territory for me. > I found: > http://www.unixmen.com/how-to-install-and-configure-qemu-in-ubuntu/ > > I don't really understand the section "2. Creating Virtual > machines", though I spose I might be able to work through it. I'm sure you'll figure it out. I think most people use the virt-manager package to get a GUI around the VM management. I tend to use the qemu-user-static packages so that I can get a chroot VM rather than having to boot an entire machine up, but that might be a more advanced route. It's very nifty though -- the emulator just kicks in for individual processes rather than having to run an entire virtual machine. >> Once you've done that, you'll also have access to the >> qemu-s390x, alpha and mips64el emulators as well! Bonus! > > I'd probably settle for just one - let's say, alpha. Do I > therefore first need to locate an alpha iso image (or somesuch) > ? That's the most straightforward way, but you can also use qemu-debootstrap. From toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au Mon Feb 22 16:48:57 2016 From: toby.corkindale at strategicdata.com.au (Toby Corkindale) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 11:48:57 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] =?iso-8859-1?q?Looking_for_a_=28cheap=29_machine_t?= =?iso-8859-1?q?hat_provides_113-bit_precision_long_double?= In-Reply-To: <7bde8349-79fe-49ae-a112-6fb046804b4d@strategicdata.com.au> References: <34ac22e6-ab55-4046-bb87-ad7858510395@strategicdata.com.au> <949D0ECE4EC9475EBB27F16FEBDFA7A7@OwnerPC311012> <7bde8349-79fe-49ae-a112-6fb046804b4d@strategicdata.com.au> Message-ID: <93c9ea5d-ba95-4e77-9ebd-4609b05849b8@strategicdata.com.au> On Tuesday, 23 February 2016 11:41:24 AM AEDT, Toby Corkindale wrote: >>> Once you've done that, you'll also have access to the >>> qemu-s390x, alpha and mips64el emulators as well! Bonus! >> >> I'd probably settle for just one - let's say, alpha. PS. I'd suggest hitting ARM64 (aarch64 in qemu) as that's quite a mainstream CPU, rather than something rare like Alpha or s390x. You're much more likely to find working packages, or assistance on forums, and I bet the virtualisation is far more optimised and/or complete. -Toby From sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au Tue Feb 23 01:39:14 2016 From: sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au (sisyphus1 at optusnet.com.au) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2016 20:39:14 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Looking for a (cheap) machine that provides 113-bit precision long double In-Reply-To: <42cde76d-b360-4dbf-927e-88f3dab8c9af@strategicdata.com.au> References: <34ac22e6-ab55-4046-bb87-ad7858510395@strategicdata.com.au><949D0ECE4EC9475EBB27F16FEBDFA7A7@OwnerPC311012> <42cde76d-b360-4dbf-927e-88f3dab8c9af@strategicdata.com.au> Message-ID: <1C74104017DC4AD1B088556CDD204596@OwnerPC311012> ----Original Message----- From: Toby Corkindale Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 11:41 AM To: melbourne-pm at pm.org Subject: Re: [Melbourne-pm]Looking for a (cheap) machine that provides 113-bit precision long double >> I don't really understand the section "2. Creating Virtual machines", >> though I spose I might be able to work through it. > > I'm sure you'll figure it out. Well ... there are forums to help me if I don't ;-) Thanks for the feedback, guys. I now have a much better appreciation of what I'm facing if I want to take it further. Cheers, Rob