From jarich at perltraining.com.au Sun Mar 2 17:04:18 2008 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:04:18 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] [Fwd: SPUG: Introducing The Perl College] Message-ID: <47CB4E92.70606@perltraining.com.au> For those who haven't found out by other means, I thought I'd point out what Uri Guttman and Damian Conway are up to in the US. Note this isn't happening here (yet), so you probably can't apply, I'm just sharing news. What a great idea, huh? J -------- Original Message -------- Subject: SPUG: Introducing The Perl College Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:46:19 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Sweger To: SPUG Members Forwarding to SPUG on behalf of Uri Guttman. My apologies if this is your third (or morth) viewing of this message. What is the Perl College? The Perl College is a creative merger of job training and job fairs. Here are its primary goals: * Provide free top quality training to qualified junior level Perl developers * Improve their Perl skills to the intermediate level * Match the new graduates with Perl jobs in the hiring companies * http://perlhunter.com/college.html The Perl College was created to address these issues in recruiting Perl coders: * A shortage of intermediate level Perl developers * A surplus of junior level Perl developers * Some are not developing Perl full time * Many are looking for a career developing Perl but can't get needed training and experience * Companies lacking the resources to train Perl developers We are currently seeking both sponsors and students for this unique education/recruitment opportunity. Hiring Sponsors: Thirty great applicants - cheap! Imagine how much it would cost in both time and money to find and train a qualified applicant for your Perl jobs. The Perl College dramatically improves the efficiency of this process by pre-screening and accepting only the most motivated students. Then we take it one step further. We take those already highly motivated students and train them up to a solid intermediate level of Perl skills. Efficiency, cost effectiveness and quality results - what could be better for your Perl recruitment needs? Student Candidates: Put yourself ahead of the competition. If selected you will have a week of free training from Damian Conway (valued at $3000). Plus you will exposed to employers who are actively seeking intermediate level Perl developers. Competition to get in will be fierce so put your best foot forward. Don't wait to apply as we will take only the thirty most qualified students. For more information on The Perl College, and how to apply to be a sponsor or a student go to these pages: http://perlhunter.com/college.html http://perlhunter.com/sponsors.html http://perlhunter.com/students.html Thanks, Uri Guttman, Dean of The Perl College From Nathan.Bailey at its.monash.edu Sun Mar 2 17:20:05 2008 From: Nathan.Bailey at its.monash.edu (Nathan Bailey) Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2008 12:20:05 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Training + experience = expertise? (Was: SPUG: Introducing The Perl College) In-Reply-To: <47CB4E92.70606@perltraining.com.au> References: <47CB4E92.70606@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: Is it just training? or is there also some "on the job" experience? As good as Damian is, I don't think a week of Damian turns a junior into an intermediate - you need to also apply that knowledge for a period of time before you really retain/attain it. I've been thinking about how to run a perl/open-source bootcamp for a while, but I think it needs to follow with 3 months of real work (in a semi-coached environment). Then you can vouch for the capability of the graduates (= they get a testamur for both their studies and their work - so students who really apply themselves should get these best jobs :-) re, N On 03/03/2008, at 12:04 PM, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > For those who haven't found out by other means, I thought I'd point > out what Uri > Guttman and Damian Conway are up to in the US. Note this isn't > happening here > (yet), so you probably can't apply, I'm just sharing news. > > What a great idea, huh? > > J > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: SPUG: Introducing The Perl College > Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:46:19 -0800 (PST) > From: Andrew Sweger > To: SPUG Members > > Forwarding to SPUG on behalf of Uri Guttman. My apologies if this is > your > third (or morth) viewing of this message. > > What is the Perl College? > > The Perl College is a creative merger of job training and job > fairs. Here are its primary goals: > > * Provide free top quality training to qualified > junior level Perl developers > * Improve their Perl skills to the intermediate level > * Match the new graduates with Perl jobs in the hiring companies > * http://perlhunter.com/college.html > > The Perl College was created to address these issues in > recruiting Perl coders: > > * A shortage of intermediate level Perl developers > * A surplus of junior level Perl developers > * Some are not developing Perl full time > * Many are looking for a career developing Perl but can't get > needed training and experience > * Companies lacking the resources to train Perl developers > > We are currently seeking both sponsors and students for this > unique education/recruitment opportunity. > > Hiring Sponsors: Thirty great applicants - cheap! > > Imagine how much it would cost in both time and money to find > and train a qualified applicant for your Perl jobs. The Perl > College dramatically improves the efficiency of this process by > pre-screening and accepting only the most motivated > students. Then we take it one step further. We take those > already highly motivated students and train them up to a solid > intermediate level of Perl skills. Efficiency, cost > effectiveness and quality results - what could be better for > your Perl recruitment needs? > > Student Candidates: Put yourself ahead of the competition. > > If selected you will have a week of free training from Damian > Conway (valued at $3000). Plus you will exposed to employers who > are actively seeking intermediate level Perl developers. > Competition to get in will be fierce so put your best foot > forward. Don't wait to apply as we will take only the thirty > most qualified students. > > For more information on The Perl College, and how to apply to be a > sponsor or a student go to these pages: > > http://perlhunter.com/college.html > http://perlhunter.com/sponsors.html > http://perlhunter.com/students.html > > Thanks, > > Uri Guttman, Dean of The Perl College > _______________________________________________ > Melbourne-pm mailing list > Melbourne-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm From scottp at dd.com.au Sun Mar 2 17:23:35 2008 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 12:23:35 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Training + experience = expertise? (Was: SPUG: Introducing The Perl College) In-Reply-To: References: <47CB4E92.70606@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: <98BC9689-C187-4D94-862B-874BCB63B6F1@dd.com.au> Could we run it like an exercise boot camp... e.g. Choose some worthy open source project. Organise twice per week 60 or 90 minute morning sessions developing in a lab. Do this for say 6 weeks (12 sessions). Scott On 03/03/2008, at 12:20 PM, Nathan Bailey wrote: > Is it just training? or is there also some "on the job" experience? > As good as Damian is, I don't think a week of Damian turns a junior > into an intermediate - you need to also apply that knowledge for a > period of time before you really retain/attain it. > > I've been thinking about how to run a perl/open-source bootcamp for a > while, but I think it needs to follow with 3 months of real work (in a > semi-coached environment). Then you can vouch for the capability of > the graduates (= they get a testamur for both their studies and their > work - so students who really apply themselves should get these best > jobs :-) > > re, > N > > On 03/03/2008, at 12:04 PM, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > >> For those who haven't found out by other means, I thought I'd point >> out what Uri >> Guttman and Damian Conway are up to in the US. Note this isn't >> happening here >> (yet), so you probably can't apply, I'm just sharing news. >> >> What a great idea, huh? >> >> J >> >> -------- Original Message -------- >> Subject: SPUG: Introducing The Perl College >> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:46:19 -0800 (PST) >> From: Andrew Sweger >> To: SPUG Members >> >> Forwarding to SPUG on behalf of Uri Guttman. My apologies if this is >> your >> third (or morth) viewing of this message. >> >> What is the Perl College? >> >> The Perl College is a creative merger of job training and job >> fairs. Here are its primary goals: >> >> * Provide free top quality training to qualified >> junior level Perl developers >> * Improve their Perl skills to the intermediate level >> * Match the new graduates with Perl jobs in the hiring companies >> * http://perlhunter.com/college.html >> >> The Perl College was created to address these issues in >> recruiting Perl coders: >> >> * A shortage of intermediate level Perl developers >> * A surplus of junior level Perl developers >> * Some are not developing Perl full time >> * Many are looking for a career developing Perl but can't get >> needed training and experience >> * Companies lacking the resources to train Perl developers >> >> We are currently seeking both sponsors and students for this >> unique education/recruitment opportunity. >> >> Hiring Sponsors: Thirty great applicants - cheap! >> >> Imagine how much it would cost in both time and money to find >> and train a qualified applicant for your Perl jobs. The Perl >> College dramatically improves the efficiency of this process by >> pre-screening and accepting only the most motivated >> students. Then we take it one step further. We take those >> already highly motivated students and train them up to a solid >> intermediate level of Perl skills. Efficiency, cost >> effectiveness and quality results - what could be better for >> your Perl recruitment needs? >> >> Student Candidates: Put yourself ahead of the competition. >> >> If selected you will have a week of free training from Damian >> Conway (valued at $3000). Plus you will exposed to employers who >> are actively seeking intermediate level Perl developers. >> Competition to get in will be fierce so put your best foot >> forward. Don't wait to apply as we will take only the thirty >> most qualified students. >> >> For more information on The Perl College, and how to apply to be a >> sponsor or a student go to these pages: >> >> http://perlhunter.com/college.html >> http://perlhunter.com/sponsors.html >> http://perlhunter.com/students.html >> >> Thanks, >> >> Uri Guttman, Dean of The Perl College >> _______________________________________________ >> Melbourne-pm mailing list >> Melbourne-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm > > _______________________________________________ > Melbourne-pm mailing list > Melbourne-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm From damian at conway.org Sun Mar 2 18:15:43 2008 From: damian at conway.org (Damian Conway) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 13:15:43 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Training + experience = expertise? (Was: SPUG: Introducing The Perl College) In-Reply-To: References: <47CB4E92.70606@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: <832f158a0803021815p15acbc29v6caebf8077f6b5f1@mail.gmail.com> Nathan Bailey asked: > Is it just training? or is there also some "on the job" experience? > As good as Damian is, I don't think a week of Damian turns a junior > into an intermediate - you need to also apply that knowledge for a > period of time before you really retain/attain it. Sure. We're not pretending to transform beginners into anything except much-better-educated beginners. The experience comes from the sponsoring employers who hire them after the training. And what's in it for the employers? They get people who are, if not yet experienced, then at least "sorted out" in terms of the kind of knowledge and understanding they'll need to progress to intermediate status. And who were keen enough to spend a week improving their Perl knowledge. I've seen a lot of programmers who never really graduate beyond beginner competence because their understanding of Perl is flawed, or ad hoc, or distorted by previous exposure to other languages. So what I focus on is improving my student's conceptual understanding of Perl....giving them better metaphors and a more accurate mental model of how Perl actually works. That certainly doesn't make them intermediate programmers, but it does remove many of the obstacles to them becoming intermediate programmers. We're not claiming miracles. We're claiming that we can give employers access to a pool of 20-25 motivated Perl programmers who are actively looking for a new job and who are freshly grounded in better Perl theory and practices. The employers get a chance to see these people interacting in the classroom environment (and you can tell a *lot* about a person by the way they participate in training), and the chance to pitch to these prospective employees during the week. We're betting that's worth something to employers (compared to the often fruitless and expensive task of simply advertising for new developers). Damian From debbiep-list-melbpm at futzle.com Sun Mar 2 20:22:33 2008 From: debbiep-list-melbpm at futzle.com (Deborah Pickett) Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2008 15:22:33 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Melbourne-pm] [Employment] Fwd: fishing for Perl developers Message-ID: <2786.32.114.192.54.1204518153.squirrel@futzle.com> [Disclaimer: I don't know Nathan, but he knows that I used to teach Perl at Monash, and must have googled me. I offered to forward his recruitment enquiry on to melbourne-pm, since you lot are about the only Perl group I am still in touch with. He did mention specifically that he's after Perl people, so I suspect that the below quoted text may be a tad more generic than the current situation. Please contact Nathan directly if you want to respond.] ----- Begin quoted text (reformatted as text/plain) ----- Melbourne based Perl / PHP developers - Perl and PHP development languages - Great Remuneration Packages - Getting to work with great technology We are a specialist IT recruitment company that has several development roles which we are actively recruiting for in Melbourne. I am looking for any developers that are in the industry and interested in hearing about opportunities from time to time (especially anyone who may be interested in looking around at the minute). Experience Required: - Perl / PHP / Java software development - Unix/Linux development environments - SQL/HTML/XML experience Our Clients - We chose who we deal with very carefully - Market leading companies - Great environments - Good remuneration packages. I am always interested in finding out who is in the scene so please feel free to email me through your details so that I can update you next time we have perl/php development opportunities. Send your details to nathan at xpand.com.au If you would like to have a chat about the current opportunities please do not hesitate to call me, my contact number is (03) 8637 7315. Kind Regards, Nathan Smale | Account Manager, VIC Direct: +61 3 8637 7315 Fax: +61 2 9346 5201 Mobile: +61 (0)402 434 338 E-mail: nathan at xpand.com.au Xpand Group | Level 3, 410 - 412 Lonsdale St | Melbourne VIC 3000 | www.xpand.com.au Xpand Group is a subsidiary of the Rubicor Group Ltd ----- End quoted text ----- From Nathan.Bailey at its.monash.edu Mon Mar 3 20:43:29 2008 From: Nathan.Bailey at its.monash.edu (Nathan Bailey) Date: Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:43:29 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Training + experience = expertise? (Was: SPUG: Introducing The Perl College) In-Reply-To: <98BC9689-C187-4D94-862B-874BCB63B6F1@dd.com.au> References: <47CB4E92.70606@perltraining.com.au> <98BC9689-C187-4D94-862B-874BCB63B6F1@dd.com.au> Message-ID: <35535428-07A0-4A7C-B0E9-CDB9720A7E5D@its.monash.edu> Hmm, sounds a bit Google summer-of-code-ish. So we could get them some training, get them some experience and then sell them off to the highest bidder. Employers get smarter/more proven programmers (rather than someone who has just put 'Perl' in their CV along with 50 other technologies) The student gets a great job in a growing technology (and if they join MelbPM, a $6-7K higher salary, apparently ;-) And we take a recruiters cut (which is what I presume Uri and Damian are doing in the US). I'm up for it :-) re, N On 03/03/2008, at 12:23 PM, Scott Penrose wrote: > Could we run it like an exercise boot camp... > > e.g. > > Choose some worthy open source project. > Organise twice per week 60 or 90 minute morning sessions developing > in a lab. > Do this for say 6 weeks (12 sessions). > > Scott > > On 03/03/2008, at 12:20 PM, Nathan Bailey wrote: > >> Is it just training? or is there also some "on the job" experience? >> As good as Damian is, I don't think a week of Damian turns a junior >> into an intermediate - you need to also apply that knowledge for a >> period of time before you really retain/attain it. >> >> I've been thinking about how to run a perl/open-source bootcamp for a >> while, but I think it needs to follow with 3 months of real work >> (in a >> semi-coached environment). Then you can vouch for the capability of >> the graduates (= they get a testamur for both their studies and their >> work - so students who really apply themselves should get these best >> jobs :-) >> >> re, >> N >> >> On 03/03/2008, at 12:04 PM, Jacinta Richardson wrote: >> >>> For those who haven't found out by other means, I thought I'd point >>> out what Uri >>> Guttman and Damian Conway are up to in the US. Note this isn't >>> happening here >>> (yet), so you probably can't apply, I'm just sharing news. >>> >>> What a great idea, huh? >>> >>> J >>> >>> -------- Original Message -------- >>> Subject: SPUG: Introducing The Perl College >>> Date: Fri, 29 Feb 2008 15:46:19 -0800 (PST) >>> From: Andrew Sweger >>> To: SPUG Members >>> >>> Forwarding to SPUG on behalf of Uri Guttman. My apologies if this is >>> your >>> third (or morth) viewing of this message. >>> >>> What is the Perl College? >>> >>> The Perl College is a creative merger of job training and job >>> fairs. Here are its primary goals: >>> >>> * Provide free top quality training to qualified >>> junior level Perl developers >>> * Improve their Perl skills to the intermediate level >>> * Match the new graduates with Perl jobs in the hiring companies >>> * http://perlhunter.com/college.html >>> >>> The Perl College was created to address these issues in >>> recruiting Perl coders: >>> >>> * A shortage of intermediate level Perl developers >>> * A surplus of junior level Perl developers >>> * Some are not developing Perl full time >>> * Many are looking for a career developing Perl but can't get >>> needed training and experience >>> * Companies lacking the resources to train Perl developers >>> >>> We are currently seeking both sponsors and students for this >>> unique education/recruitment opportunity. >>> >>> Hiring Sponsors: Thirty great applicants - cheap! >>> >>> Imagine how much it would cost in both time and money to find >>> and train a qualified applicant for your Perl jobs. The Perl >>> College dramatically improves the efficiency of this process by >>> pre-screening and accepting only the most motivated >>> students. Then we take it one step further. We take those >>> already highly motivated students and train them up to a solid >>> intermediate level of Perl skills. Efficiency, cost >>> effectiveness and quality results - what could be better for >>> your Perl recruitment needs? >>> >>> Student Candidates: Put yourself ahead of the competition. >>> >>> If selected you will have a week of free training from Damian >>> Conway (valued at $3000). Plus you will exposed to employers who >>> are actively seeking intermediate level Perl developers. >>> Competition to get in will be fierce so put your best foot >>> forward. Don't wait to apply as we will take only the thirty >>> most qualified students. >>> >>> For more information on The Perl College, and how to apply to be a >>> sponsor or a student go to these pages: >>> >>> http://perlhunter.com/college.html >>> http://perlhunter.com/sponsors.html >>> http://perlhunter.com/students.html >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Uri Guttman, Dean of The Perl College >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Melbourne-pm mailing list >>> Melbourne-pm at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Melbourne-pm mailing list >> Melbourne-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm > From jarich at perltraining.com.au Wed Mar 5 16:54:19 2008 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2008 11:54:19 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Loop bar Message-ID: <47CF40BB.1030405@perltraining.com.au> G'day folk, I was at the Web Standards Group last week. It was held at the Loop bar, which appears to have a small, purpose-built screening venue as part of a pub/bar. It's located at: 23 Meyers Place, Melbourne, Vic, 3000 More information at: http://www.looponline.com.au/ *Apparently* there's not venue hire cost, but that's just what the WSG organiser said, I haven't confirmed it. It's busy next Wednesday, which would be the date for the next PM meeting, but it might be something we could use some time or another. Does anyone have a venue for next week? J From jarich at perltraining.com.au Sat Mar 8 18:29:42 2008 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:29:42 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] The end of an Association In-Reply-To: <24EA9CC5-2101-4D5E-9DC9-65051DB9D87A@dd.com.au> References: <24EA9CC5-2101-4D5E-9DC9-65051DB9D87A@dd.com.au> Message-ID: <47D34B96.7010204@perltraining.com.au> As Scott said, this stuff is not dissolving Melbourne Perl Mongers, just removing the legal association status. Everything will continue exactly has it has been for the last year or so. Regular members are unlikely to notice any difference at all. Scott Penrose wrote: > The next step is closing up Melbourne Perl Mongers - which will require > a meeting. I will get back to you with arrangements once I have read the > fine print. I understand that what is necessary is to call a Special General Meeting. The agenda (things to be voted on), date, time and place should be announced at the time the SGM is called, and the notice has to go out with 21 days notice. At the meeting the issue(s) are put to a vote and if the majority of (financial) members agree to dissolving the association, then that's that. I believe that the public officer then needs to tell the government body which handles associations that it's been wound up, and to correctly deal with any remaining assets of the association. Likewise bank accounts will need to be closed. If I understand matters correctly, the association has about $100 in cash and no other assets. We could easily solve the problem of dealing with this asset by spending it on the SGM. ;) Alternately we can vote on what to do with it at the SGM. If we aren't going to spend it, I'd suggest giving it to the Perl Foundation, which *probably* fits within the rules of what we're allowed to do with it. All the best, Jacinta -- ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ | Jacinta Richardson | `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) | Perl Training Australia | (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' | +61 3 9354 6001 | _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' | contact at perltraining.com.au | (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' | www.perltraining.com.au | From jarich at perltraining.com.au Sat Mar 8 18:38:15 2008 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:38:15 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Next meeting: Wednesday March 12th. Message-ID: <47D34D97.40909@perltraining.com.au> G'day folk, As far as I'm aware, nothing has been organised for next Wednesday's meeting. Unfortunately we won't be able to meet at REA, so I suggest we get together and have dinner and a couple of drinks and socialise for a bit. It would be good to pick somewhere where we can make a fair bit of noise without disturbing anyone else (too much), yet not have to shout over other ambient sounds. Accessible, cheap parking and close public transport are important too. I'm leaning towards the Redback Brewery in North Melbourne, as it will probably cater to most of these, and has the benefit that most of our regular attendees were clearly able to make it that far in the past. If you have any alternate suggestions, including restaurants which fit the above criteria, then please reply. All the best, J -- ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ | Jacinta Richardson | `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) | Perl Training Australia | (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' | +61 3 9354 6001 | _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' | contact at perltraining.com.au | (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' | www.perltraining.com.au | From pjf at perltraining.com.au Sat Mar 8 18:55:15 2008 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:55:15 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Next meeting: Wednesday March 12th. In-Reply-To: <47D34D97.40909@perltraining.com.au> References: <47D34D97.40909@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: <47D35193.3010707@perltraining.com.au> G'day Jacinta / Melb.pm, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > I'm leaning towards the Redback Brewery in North Melbourne, as it will probably > cater to most of these, and has the benefit that most of our regular attendees > were clearly able to make it that far in the past. If you have any alternate > suggestions, including restaurants which fit the above criteria, then please reply. This gets a +1 from me. I like the Redback's beer, and if we're arriving at a regular time (about 6:30pm) then I imagine it won't be too problematic if they take a while with food. I think it's been quite a while since we've had just a social catch-up, so I'm quite looking forward to this. Of course, if anyone's really eager to look at code, I've got an almost-finished pragma I can show off which makes use of Perl 5.10's new %^H compiler hints feature. Cheerio, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From alecclews at gmail.com Sat Mar 8 23:21:28 2008 From: alecclews at gmail.com (Alec Clews) Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 18:21:28 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Next meeting: Wednesday March 12th. In-Reply-To: <47D35193.3010707@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: +1 -- Alec Clews Personal Melbourne, Australia. Jabber: alecclews at jabber.org.au PGPKey ID: 0x9BBBFC7C Blog http://alecthegeek.wordpress.com/ > From: Paul Fenwick > Organization: Perl Training Australia > Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:55:15 +1100 > To: Jacinta Richardson > Cc: Melbourne Perlmongers > Subject: Re: [Melbourne-pm] Next meeting: Wednesday March 12th. > > G'day Jacinta / Melb.pm, > > Jacinta Richardson wrote: > >> I'm leaning towards the Redback Brewery in North Melbourne, as it will >> probably >> cater to most of these, and has the benefit that most of our regular >> attendees >> were clearly able to make it that far in the past. If you have any alternate >> suggestions, including restaurants which fit the above criteria, then please >> reply. > > This gets a +1 from me. I like the Redback's beer, and if we're arriving at > a regular time (about 6:30pm) then I imagine it won't be too problematic if > they take a while with food. > > I think it's been quite a while since we've had just a social catch-up, so > I'm quite looking forward to this. Of course, if anyone's really eager to > look at code, I've got an almost-finished pragma I can show off which makes > use of Perl 5.10's new %^H compiler hints feature. > > Cheerio, > > Paul > > -- > Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ > Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 > Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 > _______________________________________________ > Melbourne-pm mailing list > Melbourne-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm From scottp at dd.com.au Mon Mar 10 00:16:07 2008 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:16:07 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] The end of an Association In-Reply-To: <47D34B96.7010204@perltraining.com.au> References: <24EA9CC5-2101-4D5E-9DC9-65051DB9D87A@dd.com.au> <47D34B96.7010204@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: <9AA726C8-97CB-4F53-B6DE-03DD83C1999E@dd.com.au> I love the idea of spending it on the SGM. Maybe as part of the April meeting, if the April meeting is the first at the pub, maybe it buys the beer :-) Scooter P.S. Only if it is about $100, if we have say $300, maybe we should give some of that to OSDC. On 09/03/2008, at 1:29 PM, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > As Scott said, this stuff is not dissolving Melbourne Perl Mongers, > just > removing the legal association status. Everything will continue > exactly has it > has been for the last year or so. Regular members are unlikely to > notice any > difference at all. > > > Scott Penrose wrote: > >> The next step is closing up Melbourne Perl Mongers - which will >> require >> a meeting. I will get back to you with arrangements once I have >> read the >> fine print. > > I understand that what is necessary is to call a Special General > Meeting. The > agenda (things to be voted on), date, time and place should be > announced at the > time the SGM is called, and the notice has to go out with 21 days > notice. > > At the meeting the issue(s) are put to a vote and if the majority of > (financial) > members agree to dissolving the association, then that's that. I > believe that > the public officer then needs to tell the government body which > handles > associations that it's been wound up, and to correctly deal with any > remaining > assets of the association. Likewise bank accounts will need to be > closed. > > If I understand matters correctly, the association has about $100 in > cash and no > other assets. We could easily solve the problem of dealing with > this asset by > spending it on the SGM. ;) Alternately we can vote on what to do > with it at > the SGM. If we aren't going to spend it, I'd suggest giving it to > the Perl > Foundation, which *probably* fits within the rules of what we're > allowed to do > with it. > > All the best, > > Jacinta > > -- > ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ | Jacinta Richardson | > `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) | Perl Training Australia | > (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' | +61 3 9354 6001 | > _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' | contact at perltraining.com.au | > (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' | www.perltraining.com.au | From alecclews at gmail.com Mon Mar 10 01:24:57 2008 From: alecclews at gmail.com (Alec Clews) Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:24:57 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] The end of an Association In-Reply-To: <9AA726C8-97CB-4F53-B6DE-03DD83C1999E@dd.com.au> Message-ID: I think we only have about $40 :-( -- Alec Clews Personal Melbourne, Australia. Jabber: alecclews at jabber.org.au PGPKey ID: 0x9BBBFC7C Blog http://alecthegeek.wordpress.com/ > From: Scott Penrose > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:16:07 +1100 > To: Jacinta Richardson > Cc: Melbourne Perl Mongers > Subject: Re: [Melbourne-pm] The end of an Association > > > I love the idea of spending it on the SGM. Maybe as part of the April > meeting, if the April meeting is the first at the pub, maybe it buys > the beer :-) > > Scooter > P.S. Only if it is about $100, if we have say $300, maybe we should > give some of that to OSDC. > > On 09/03/2008, at 1:29 PM, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > >> As Scott said, this stuff is not dissolving Melbourne Perl Mongers, >> just >> removing the legal association status. Everything will continue >> exactly has it >> has been for the last year or so. Regular members are unlikely to >> notice any >> difference at all. >> >> >> Scott Penrose wrote: >> >>> The next step is closing up Melbourne Perl Mongers - which will >>> require >>> a meeting. I will get back to you with arrangements once I have >>> read the >>> fine print. >> >> I understand that what is necessary is to call a Special General >> Meeting. The >> agenda (things to be voted on), date, time and place should be >> announced at the >> time the SGM is called, and the notice has to go out with 21 days >> notice. >> >> At the meeting the issue(s) are put to a vote and if the majority of >> (financial) >> members agree to dissolving the association, then that's that. I >> believe that >> the public officer then needs to tell the government body which >> handles >> associations that it's been wound up, and to correctly deal with any >> remaining >> assets of the association. Likewise bank accounts will need to be >> closed. >> >> If I understand matters correctly, the association has about $100 in >> cash and no >> other assets. We could easily solve the problem of dealing with >> this asset by >> spending it on the SGM. ;) Alternately we can vote on what to do >> with it at >> the SGM. If we aren't going to spend it, I'd suggest giving it to >> the Perl >> Foundation, which *probably* fits within the rules of what we're >> allowed to do >> with it. >> >> All the best, >> >> Jacinta >> >> -- >> ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ | Jacinta Richardson | >> `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) | Perl Training Australia | >> (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' | +61 3 9354 6001 | >> _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' | contact at perltraining.com.au | >> (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' | www.perltraining.com.au | > > _______________________________________________ > Melbourne-pm mailing list > Melbourne-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm From jarich at perltraining.com.au Tue Mar 11 05:43:41 2008 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:43:41 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Meeting: Wednesday 12th March (tomorrow|today) Message-ID: <47D67E7D.9090005@perltraining.com.au> G'day folk, Looks like most people are happy with meeting at the Redback, or alternately keeping quiet. I look forward to seeing as many of you as can join us at: Redback Brewery 75 Flemington Parade North Melbourne Map: http://preview.tinyurl.com/2lnxw9 6:30pm onwards. For those who can't join us for whatever reasons, we'll remember you as we drink our beer. :) All the best, Jacinta PS: If you'd like to suggest a social gathering not involving alcohol, or dinner, or whatever. Please do. Melbourne Perl Mongers can always do with more people suggesting ideas and helping make them work! From pjf at perltraining.com.au Wed Mar 12 06:17:32 2008 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:17:32 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Assorted follow-ups from Melbourne Pub Mongers Message-ID: <47D7D7EC.8050904@perltraining.com.au> G'day Everyone, I have assorted follow-ups from our meeting tonight from Melbourne Pub Mongers. * The evil, evil trick I showed off with regards to Fatal can be found at: http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/perl5-porters/2008-03/msg00338.html Please do *NOT* use this in production. It will be fixed in 5.10.1. * Seriously, don't. It's a bug, even if it is like PHP in reverse. * The best TV right now is "Sarah Conner Chronicles". It helps if you like Terminator. It helps even more if you liked Terminator so much that you thought Terminator 3 was awful. * Other best TV is "Big Bang Theory", which I discovered thanks to Nat Torkington and Skud. First episode I thought was average, later episodes are great. * Frets on Fire can be found at http://fretsonfire.sourceforge.net/ * The standard Frets on Fire client is rubbish. Use the RF-mod at http://fretsonfire.wikidot.com/rf-mod instead. Seriously, it rocks hard. * My Frets on Fire high-scores can be found at http://www.prison.net/worldcharts/charts/playersFull/PJF/ . If you beat my scores, let me know. * Spoilers to the C-64 game "The Hobbit" can be found at http://bbc.nvg.org/doc/games/Hobbit-solution2.txt . A window should be no obstacle to a thief with friends. * Yes, I'm really doing a lexical Fatal. Yes, it's much harder than it should be. * Our Perl Tips (including What's New in Perl 5.10) can be found at http://perltraining.com.au/tips/ . You can subscribe both by e-mail and by Atom feed. * Our training manuals can be found at http://perltraining.com.au/notes.html . If you find any mistakes I'll give you chocolate. * My bookmarks in general can be found at http://del.icio.us/pfenwick . They provide a dark and twisted view into my mind. * My blog can be found at http://pjf.id.au/blog/ . Yes, the dance mat is real. The half-a-joystick is real. It really does work. * The greasemonkey talk can be found at http://pjf.id.au/blog/?position=525 and elsewhere. * I use jaiku and twitter under the name of 'pjf' on both. I'm not hard to find. Let me know if you need invites. * I'll be at Brisbane.pm next week if we can organise a meeting. * I'll be at Sydney.pm in three weeks time. * I'll be at Melbourne.pm in four weeks time! See you there! All the best, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From melbourne-pm at popcorn.cx Thu Mar 13 03:26:10 2008 From: melbourne-pm at popcorn.cx (Stephen Edmonds) Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 21:26:10 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Assorted follow-ups from Melbourne Pub Mongers In-Reply-To: <47D7D7EC.8050904@perltraining.com.au> References: <47D7D7EC.8050904@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: <47D90142.3050307@popcorn.cx> A couple more follow-ups... The photos that came out ok are up on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/popcorncx/sets/72157604110674781/ From the conversation about bad presentations, is this one titled 'Life after Death by Powerpoint': http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=4341801 Thanks, Stephen Paul Fenwick wrote: > G'day Everyone, > > I have assorted follow-ups from our meeting tonight from Melbourne Pub Mongers. > > * The evil, evil trick I showed off with regards to Fatal can be found at: > > http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/perl5-porters/2008-03/msg00338.html > > Please do *NOT* use this in production. It will be fixed in 5.10.1. > > * Seriously, don't. It's a bug, even if it is like PHP in reverse. > > * The best TV right now is "Sarah Conner Chronicles". It helps if you like > Terminator. It helps even more if you liked Terminator so much that you > thought Terminator 3 was awful. > > * Other best TV is "Big Bang Theory", which I discovered thanks to Nat > Torkington and Skud. First episode I thought was average, later episodes > are great. > > * Frets on Fire can be found at http://fretsonfire.sourceforge.net/ > > * The standard Frets on Fire client is rubbish. Use the RF-mod at > http://fretsonfire.wikidot.com/rf-mod instead. Seriously, it rocks hard. > > * My Frets on Fire high-scores can be found at > http://www.prison.net/worldcharts/charts/playersFull/PJF/ . If you beat my > scores, let me know. > > * Spoilers to the C-64 game "The Hobbit" can be found at > http://bbc.nvg.org/doc/games/Hobbit-solution2.txt . A window should be no > obstacle to a thief with friends. > > * Yes, I'm really doing a lexical Fatal. Yes, it's much harder than it > should be. > > * Our Perl Tips (including What's New in Perl 5.10) can be found at > http://perltraining.com.au/tips/ . You can subscribe both by e-mail and by > Atom feed. > > * Our training manuals can be found at http://perltraining.com.au/notes.html > . If you find any mistakes I'll give you chocolate. > > * My bookmarks in general can be found at http://del.icio.us/pfenwick . > They provide a dark and twisted view into my mind. > > * My blog can be found at http://pjf.id.au/blog/ . Yes, the dance mat is > real. The half-a-joystick is real. It really does work. > > * The greasemonkey talk can be found at http://pjf.id.au/blog/?position=525 > and elsewhere. > > * I use jaiku and twitter under the name of 'pjf' on both. I'm not hard to > find. Let me know if you need invites. > > * I'll be at Brisbane.pm next week if we can organise a meeting. > > * I'll be at Sydney.pm in three weeks time. > > * I'll be at Melbourne.pm in four weeks time! See you there! > > All the best, > > Paul > -- _ _ _ Stephen Edmonds _/ \_ / \_/ \ Melbourne, Australia <_ " _> / \ / O \ / " \ stephen at popcorn.cx / ___ \ | O | http://popcorn.cx/ \_____/ \___/ From alecclews at gmail.com Sun Mar 16 16:34:05 2008 From: alecclews at gmail.com (Alec Clews) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:34:05 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Assorted follow-ups from Melbourne Pub Mongers In-Reply-To: <47D7D7EC.8050904@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: The FireHOL iptables configuration tool is at http://firehol.sourceforge.net/ (Paul mentioned how brilliant it was and making a note here means I can throw the away the piece of paper he gave me) -- Alec Clews Personal Melbourne, Australia. Jabber: alecclews at jabber.org.au PGPKey ID: 0x9BBBFC7C Blog http://alecthegeek.wordpress.com/ > From: Paul Fenwick > Organization: Perl Training Australia > Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:17:32 +1100 > To: Melbourne Perl Mongers > Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Assorted follow-ups from Melbourne Pub Mongers > > G'day Everyone, > > I have assorted follow-ups from our meeting tonight from Melbourne Pub > Mongers. > > * The evil, evil trick I showed off with regards to Fatal can be found at: > > http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/perl5-porters/2008-03/msg00338.html > > Please do *NOT* use this in production. It will be fixed in 5.10.1. > > * Seriously, don't. It's a bug, even if it is like PHP in reverse. > > * The best TV right now is "Sarah Conner Chronicles". It helps if you like > Terminator. It helps even more if you liked Terminator so much that you > thought Terminator 3 was awful. > > * Other best TV is "Big Bang Theory", which I discovered thanks to Nat > Torkington and Skud. First episode I thought was average, later episodes > are great. > > * Frets on Fire can be found at http://fretsonfire.sourceforge.net/ > > * The standard Frets on Fire client is rubbish. Use the RF-mod at > http://fretsonfire.wikidot.com/rf-mod instead. Seriously, it rocks hard. > > * My Frets on Fire high-scores can be found at > http://www.prison.net/worldcharts/charts/playersFull/PJF/ . If you beat my > scores, let me know. > > * Spoilers to the C-64 game "The Hobbit" can be found at > http://bbc.nvg.org/doc/games/Hobbit-solution2.txt . A window should be no > obstacle to a thief with friends. > > * Yes, I'm really doing a lexical Fatal. Yes, it's much harder than it > should be. > > * Our Perl Tips (including What's New in Perl 5.10) can be found at > http://perltraining.com.au/tips/ . You can subscribe both by e-mail and by > Atom feed. > > * Our training manuals can be found at http://perltraining.com.au/notes.html > . If you find any mistakes I'll give you chocolate. > > * My bookmarks in general can be found at http://del.icio.us/pfenwick . > They provide a dark and twisted view into my mind. > > * My blog can be found at http://pjf.id.au/blog/ . Yes, the dance mat is > real. The half-a-joystick is real. It really does work. > > * The greasemonkey talk can be found at http://pjf.id.au/blog/?position=525 > and elsewhere. > > * I use jaiku and twitter under the name of 'pjf' on both. I'm not hard to > find. Let me know if you need invites. > > * I'll be at Brisbane.pm next week if we can organise a meeting. > > * I'll be at Sydney.pm in three weeks time. > > * I'll be at Melbourne.pm in four weeks time! See you there! > > All the best, > > Paul > > -- > Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ > Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 > Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 > _______________________________________________ > Melbourne-pm mailing list > Melbourne-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm From jarich at perltraining.com.au Sun Mar 16 18:07:42 2008 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:07:42 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Venue for next meeting - 9th April Message-ID: <47DDC45E.1070405@perltraining.com.au> G'day folk, While meeting up in the pub was fun, it wasn't entirely conducive to having presentations (Paul's "projector" notepad and pen aside). I believe we've had the following suggestions for a more normal venue: * Leif suggested OpenHub and is looking into it (has looked into it?) Level 2, 140 Queen St, Melbourne * Rick Measham volunteered to look into pubs in South Melbourne to see whether they have space and a projector. * Craig Sanders volunteered to ask the LUV committee whether we'd have any luck using a room at Trinity College. * I'll ask the Loop Bar whether they're free on any second Wednesdays this year. * Myf suggested her work place in South Melbourne might be able to provide a room and projector. * Paul Fenwick volunteered to ask Innovation@? on Collins Street whether we can use their space. It would be great if Leif, Rick, Craig, Paul and Myf can report in on their results. J -- ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ | Jacinta Richardson | `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) | Perl Training Australia | (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' | +61 3 9354 6001 | _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' | contact at perltraining.com.au | (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' | www.perltraining.com.au | From daniel at rimspace.net Sun Mar 16 18:39:11 2008 From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:39:11 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Assorted follow-ups from Melbourne Pub Mongers In-Reply-To: (Alec Clews's message of "Mon, 17 Mar 2008 10:34:05 +1100") References: Message-ID: <87d4puqgcg.fsf@rimspace.net> Alec Clews writes: > The FireHOL iptables configuration tool is at > http://firehol.sourceforge.net/ > > (Paul mentioned how brilliant it was and making a note here means I > can throw the away the piece of paper he gave me) Mmmm. Mostly brilliant; it could use someone rewriting it to generate stand-alone scripts for building the firewall[1] rather than requiring the whole shebang in place, but it is still my first choice. The only other comparable option is shorewall, which is for people who love having ten different and incomprehensible "declarative" files to configure their firewall. Daniel But it does have the static compiler, so it isn't all bad. (Plus, obPerl: they use a Perl compiler in Shorewall. :) Footnotes: [1] ideally through an iptables-restore equivalent, which is atomic. From leif.eriksen at salmat.com.au Sun Mar 16 19:20:05 2008 From: leif.eriksen at salmat.com.au (leif.eriksen at salmat.com.au) Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:20:05 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Venue for next meeting - 9th April Message-ID: <6462CBB658614845A7702E37988076980332B9DB@exhnat2.nsw.hpa> > * Leif suggested OpenHub and is looking into it (has looked into it?) > Level 2, 140 Queen St, Melbourne I was looking, but as the pub was winning I didnt push it. I'll call them to check on availability for the 9th, but after the other venues firm up or fade away a bit first, given how many there are. I'd rather make a definite booking then say "we might want it" then cancel. I think we'll be in a position to make a decision by the end of the week. Leif Eriksen | Development Engineer Salmat BusinessForce 2 Military Road Matraville NSW 2036 Australia t +61 (03) 9217 5545 f +61 (03) 9217 5500 m +61 418 33 22 73 e leif.eriksen at salmat.com.au w salmat.com.au From jarich at perltraining.com.au Tue Mar 18 14:31:55 2008 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:31:55 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Summer of Perl -- call for student proposals Message-ID: <47E034CB.8060505@perltraining.com.au> Forwarding to Melbourne PM on behalf of Eric Wilhelm: The Perl Foundation is participating in Google's 2008 Summer of Code(tm) and we have a lot of capable, willing mentors looking forward to working with some talented, driven students. So, we would like you to help find those students (and quickly -- the students must apply before March 31st.) This is a rare opportunity for students to get a chance to get a paid summer of hacking on exciting projects like Parrot, Perl 6, Moose, Jifty, SVK, Catalyst, or their very own Perl modules or applications. It also brings new talent into the community and gives the student a hefty "real world" experience with a knowledgable mentor. Further, employers love to see this sort of demonstration of teamwork, handling deadlines, communication skills, resourcefulness and etc. We're looking for promising students who are interested in open source (or maybe you know someone who *should* be interested in open source.) Knowledge of Perl is optional if the project is Parrot-related. The student doesn't need to be an expert in the problem domain (after all, learning is part of the process), but should bring a big pile of creativity, problem-solving skills, and determination. Students should review the page of suggested projects, but are encouraged to bring their own proposals (those are often the best.) The most important first step is getting in touch with the community and discussing their project idea with potential mentors. http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl5/index.cgi?gsoc2008_projects Additional information and links can be found here. http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl5/index.cgi?gsoc2008 Google has posted some flyers if you happen to have a university bulletin board or hallway handy: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocFlyers Additional info: http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ http://code.google.com/soc/2008/faqs.html (Note that google has particular requirements to do with the fact that they are paying the students. The student must be able to show their eligibility regarding enrollment and employability.) Remember, the Perl community draws talent from many fields, so if you came to Perl from a non-computer-science major and still have contacts in that department from your university, it is probably worth mentioning to them. Thanks, Eric From jarich at perltraining.com.au Tue Mar 18 14:40:30 2008 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:40:30 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] The end of an Association In-Reply-To: <9AA726C8-97CB-4F53-B6DE-03DD83C1999E@dd.com.au> References: <24EA9CC5-2101-4D5E-9DC9-65051DB9D87A@dd.com.au> <47D34B96.7010204@perltraining.com.au> <9AA726C8-97CB-4F53-B6DE-03DD83C1999E@dd.com.au> Message-ID: <47E036CE.3050100@perltraining.com.au> Scott Penrose wrote: > > I love the idea of spending it on the SGM. Maybe as part of the April > meeting, if the April meeting is the first at the pub, maybe it buys the > beer :-) If it's going to be the April meeting, you need to announce the meeting *TODAY* to comply with the requirement of 21 days notice. J From pat at patspam.com Tue Mar 18 17:19:40 2008 From: pat at patspam.com (Patrick Donelan) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:19:40 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Summer of Perl -- call for student proposals In-Reply-To: <47E034CB.8060505@perltraining.com.au> References: <47E034CB.8060505@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: <42321ee20803181719r78429491uad94622ef359d40b@mail.gmail.com> Every time I see these GSoC announcements I kick myself and wish I'd known about it 3 years ago when I was still a student! Patrick Donelan On 3/19/08, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > > Forwarding to Melbourne PM on behalf of Eric Wilhelm: > > The Perl Foundation is participating in Google's 2008 Summer of Code(tm) > and we have a lot of capable, willing mentors looking forward to working > with some talented, driven students. So, we would like you to help find > those students (and quickly -- the students must apply before March 31st.) > > This is a rare opportunity for students to get a chance to get a paid > summer of hacking on exciting projects like Parrot, Perl 6, Moose, Jifty, > SVK, Catalyst, or their very own Perl modules or applications. It also > brings new talent into the community and gives the student a hefty "real > world" experience with a knowledgable mentor. Further, employers love to > see this sort of demonstration of teamwork, handling deadlines, > communication skills, resourcefulness and etc. > > We're looking for promising students who are interested in open source (or > maybe you know someone who *should* be interested in open source.) > Knowledge of Perl is optional if the project is Parrot-related. The > student doesn't need to be an expert in the problem domain (after all, > learning is part of the process), but should bring a big pile of > creativity, problem-solving skills, and determination. > > Students should review the page of suggested projects, but are encouraged > to bring their own proposals (those are often the best.) The most > important first step is getting in touch with the community and discussing > their project idea with potential mentors. > > http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl5/index.cgi?gsoc2008_projects > > Additional information and links can be found here. > > http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl5/index.cgi?gsoc2008 > > Google has posted some flyers if you happen to have a university bulletin > board or hallway handy: > > http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/GsocFlyers > > Additional info: > > http://code.google.com/soc/2008/ > http://code.google.com/soc/2008/faqs.html > > (Note that google has particular requirements to do with the fact that > they are paying the students. The student must be able to show their > eligibility regarding enrollment and employability.) > > Remember, the Perl community draws talent from many fields, so if you came > to Perl from a non-computer-science major and still have contacts in that > department from your university, it is probably worth mentioning to them. > > Thanks, > Eric > _______________________________________________ > Melbourne-pm mailing list > Melbourne-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/melbourne-pm/attachments/20080319/a94ed80c/attachment.html From jarich at perltraining.com.au Tue Mar 18 18:00:21 2008 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 12:00:21 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] [Fwd: [Sydney-pm] Google Summer of Code] Message-ID: <47E065A5.8060003@perltraining.com.au> KD asked me to pass this on. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [Sydney-pm] Google Summer of Code Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 11:34:44 +1100 From: Kieren Diment To: Sydney-pm at pm.org Hi Guys, Just to let you know that The Perl Foundation is part of the Google Summer of Code this year. I know that it's not especially conveniently timed for us in the southern hemisphere, but if you know any eligible students that want to do some work, point them to the link here: http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl5/index.cgi? gsoc2008_projects Also, this years Summer of Code finally spurred the formation of a european entity for the promotion of "Enterprise Perl" - the Enlightened Perl organisation http://enlightenedperl.org which is participating in the SoC under the Perl Foundation umbrella. _______________________________________________ Sydney-pm mailing list Sydney-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/sydney-pm -- ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ | Jacinta Richardson | `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) | Perl Training Australia | (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' | +61 3 9354 6001 | _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' | contact at perltraining.com.au | (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' | www.perltraining.com.au | From scottp at dd.com.au Tue Mar 18 23:23:44 2008 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:23:44 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Special General Meeting In-Reply-To: <47E04FE1.4060408@perltraining.com.au> References: <24EA9CC5-2101-4D5E-9DC9-65051DB9D87A@dd.com.au><47D34B96.7010204@perltraining.com.au><9AA726C8-97CB-4F53-B6DE-03DD83C1999E@dd.com.au> <47E036CE.3050100@perltraining.com.au> <47E04FE1.4060408@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: <57A503F2-D38D-4915-806F-C7C185A33698@dd.com.au> Afternoon Perl Mongers On the 9th of April 2008 at 6:30pm until 6:45pm the Melbourne Perl Mongers will be having a Special General Meeting at 70 Dorcas Street Southbank VIC Australia 3006. Agenda: * To end the official registered association, pass on assets to Open Source Developers Club Association and to continue the Melbourne Perl Monger meetings as normal. There will be a normal Perl Mongers meeting to follow, with some form of celebration, details will come soon. This email is to cover the requirements of a 21 day announcement before the SGM. Thanks Scott From jacinta.richardson at member.sage-au.org.au Tue Mar 25 18:22:57 2008 From: jacinta.richardson at member.sage-au.org.au (jacinta.richardson at member.sage-au.org.au) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 12:22:57 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Melbourne-pm] SAGE-AU 2008 Call for Participation Message-ID: <20080326012257.D42C8A8F4F@teddybear.perltraining.com.au> SAGE-AU invites the members of Melbourne Perl Mongers to submit proposals to the 16th Australian System Administrators' Conference. [Please forward this invitation to anyone you feel would be interested] Final call for presentations! Proposals are due next Monday - 31st March. 16th Annual System Administrators' Conference (SAGE-AU 2008) ============================================================ The System Administrators' Guild of Australia Adelaide, 11-15th August 2008 SAGE-AU was formed to advance the profession of System Administration by raising awareness of the need for System Administrators, and educating System Administrators in technical as well as professional issues. Our yearly conference provides a forum for System Administrators of all platforms and levels of experience to gather together and share their experiences. Further it provides an excellent opportunity to meet and network with acknowledged experts in the field. SAGE-AU 2008 will be held in Adelaide from the 11th-15th August. Theme ----- This year our theme is Greening our Computers. We particularly encourage talks on how to make carbon-neutral data centres, working with low-power devices and similar. If you have any talks or tutorials on this kind of material, please submit them! Tutorials and Papers -------------------- SAGE-AU is seeking tutorials (full and half-day) and talks relevant to System Administration for the 16th Annual System Administrators' Conference. For the full Call for Presentations text please visit: http://www.sage-au.org.au/x/Xg8 SAGE-AU 2008 Adelaide - Submission Dates ---------------------------------------- Call for Papers/Tutorials Issued 12th February 2008 Proposals Due 31st March 2008 Provisional Notification 28th April 2008 Draft Paper/Tutorials Due 2nd June 2008 Confirmed Acceptance and Contracts 16th June 2008 Final Paper/Tutorial Materials Due 14th July 2008 For all information, contacts and updates, see the SAGE-AU conference web site at http://www.sage-au.org.au/display/conf/ From pat at patspam.com Tue Mar 25 21:12:52 2008 From: pat at patspam.com (Patrick Donelan) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:12:52 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Introducing myself Message-ID: <42321ee20803252112g518683cfj80692a4ca6e26cec@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I've been lurking on the list for a few months without really posting anything so I've decided to introduce myself. My name is Patrick Donelan, I'm a 26 year old freelance software developer (melb uni software eng grad) based out of my bedroom in north fitzroy ;) I started off using Perl for sys admin work while I was a student but only got properly hooked about 2 years ago. My current work and research is pretty squarely centered on the web world (Perl and Javascript in particular). My only real contact with other Perl programmers is through the Catalyst and WebGUI IRC/mailing lists so I'm rather keen to come along to some Melb PM get-togethers and meet some of you, make some friends, hear what people are doing with Perl, bounce my own ideas off people and generally geek out on Perl. Is that the sort of thing you guys do? Patrick -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/melbourne-pm/attachments/20080326/da2c8f3f/attachment.html From pjf at perltraining.com.au Tue Mar 25 22:03:49 2008 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:03:49 +1000 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Introducing myself In-Reply-To: <42321ee20803252112g518683cfj80692a4ca6e26cec@mail.gmail.com> References: <42321ee20803252112g518683cfj80692a4ca6e26cec@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47E9D935.6030601@perltraining.com.au> G'day Pat, Patrick Donelan wrote: > My name is Patrick Donelan, I'm a 26 year old freelance software > developer (melb uni software eng grad) based out of my bedroom in north Excellent! I did CompSci at UniMelb years ago, and still occasionally keep in touch with the staff and alumni there. > I'm rather keen to come along to some Melb PM get-togethers and meet some > of you, make some friends, hear what people are doing with Perl, bounce > my own ideas off people and generally geek out on Perl. Is that the sort > of thing you guys do? That sounds almost exactly what we do. ;) Welcome to Melbourne.pm. I look forward to seeing you on our next meeting: 9th April, 6:30pm 70 Dorcas St Southbank VIC 3006 It's being held at Myf's work, but unfortunately the name of her workplace has slipped my mind. Unless someone is really eager to stop me, I'll try to give a presentation on autodie.pm (a new pragma for Perl 5.10.1) and maybe a few other bits and pieces. Cheerio, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From guy at alchemy.com.au Tue Mar 25 22:09:55 2008 From: guy at alchemy.com.au (Guy Morton) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:09:55 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Introducing myself In-Reply-To: <47E9D935.6030601@perltraining.com.au> References: <42321ee20803252112g518683cfj80692a4ca6e26cec@mail.gmail.com> <47E9D935.6030601@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: <38C85560-F2D1-437B-9EDD-E9C17E9E408F@alchemy.com.au> datacomit? On 26/03/2008, at 4:03 PM, Paul Fenwick wrote: > G'day Pat, > > Patrick Donelan wrote: > >> My name is Patrick Donelan, I'm a 26 year old freelance software >> developer (melb uni software eng grad) based out of my bedroom in >> north > > Excellent! I did CompSci at UniMelb years ago, and still > occasionally keep > in touch with the staff and alumni there. > >> I'm rather keen to come along to some Melb PM get-togethers and >> meet some >> of you, make some friends, hear what people are doing with Perl, >> bounce >> my own ideas off people and generally geek out on Perl. Is that >> the sort >> of thing you guys do? > > That sounds almost exactly what we do. ;) Welcome to > Melbourne.pm. I look > forward to seeing you on our next meeting: > > 9th April, 6:30pm > 70 Dorcas St > Southbank VIC 3006 > > It's being held at Myf's work, but unfortunately the name of her > workplace > has slipped my mind. > > Unless someone is really eager to stop me, I'll try to give a > presentation > on autodie.pm (a new pragma for Perl 5.10.1) and maybe a few other > bits and > pieces. > > Cheerio, > > Paul > > -- > Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ > Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 > Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 > _______________________________________________ > Melbourne-pm mailing list > Melbourne-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm From myfwhite at gmail.com Tue Mar 25 22:19:29 2008 From: myfwhite at gmail.com (Myf White) Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:19:29 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Introducing myself In-Reply-To: <38C85560-F2D1-437B-9EDD-E9C17E9E408F@alchemy.com.au> References: <42321ee20803252112g518683cfj80692a4ca6e26cec@mail.gmail.com> <47E9D935.6030601@perltraining.com.au> <38C85560-F2D1-437B-9EDD-E9C17E9E408F@alchemy.com.au> Message-ID: <14bb7600803252219sd4d5885g37ccb7271072e372@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Guy Morton wrote: > datacomit? > > That's right: http://datacomit.com.au/ Hey Guy! How's the band going? -- Myf White mailto:myfwhite at gmail.com Work like you don't need the money. Love like you've never been hurt. Dance like nobody's watching. ~ Satchel Paige -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/melbourne-pm/attachments/20080326/2a9c0309/attachment.html From nathanb at finite.com.au Wed Mar 26 17:29:22 2008 From: nathanb at finite.com.au (Nathan Bentley) Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:29:22 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] I'm new here, don't kill me. Message-ID: <425E0551B0096745AFC3258F3385E4B602D8CF49@finite-exc01.Finite.Local> Hi all. I know you probably don't want to see your board filthed up by bottom feeding recruitment consultants and I'm sorry that my first post here could be thought of as spam but if anything you might be able to come up with some clich?d movie quotes to mock me with. I have two roles to fill for in a dev team on a fairly large, high traffic .com.au site. The first is a fairly typical dev role, good money, immediate start. The other how ever... I need a tester with scripting experience, today, that speaks fluent Italian. The client is big enough that they will sponsor people for perm residency so if you know any people... "good people" can you give us a bell and ask for Nate - www.finite.com.au - if I don't get someone for this role the boss has sized up some nice new concrete sneakers for me. Cheers! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/melbourne-pm/attachments/20080327/01d52b70/attachment.html From jarich at perltraining.com.au Thu Mar 27 17:45:04 2008 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:45:04 +1100 Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Tester fluent in Italian (was Re: I'm new here, don't kill me.) In-Reply-To: <425E0551B0096745AFC3258F3385E4B602D8CF49@finite-exc01.Finite.Local> References: <425E0551B0096745AFC3258F3385E4B602D8CF49@finite-exc01.Finite.Local> Message-ID: <47EC3F90.2010201@perltraining.com.au> G'day Nathan, Nathan Bentley wrote: > I need a tester with scripting experience, today, that speaks fluent > Italian. "scripting experience". Perhaps you could be a little more specific? Perl scripting, I presume, but we've had recruitment ads for other scripting languages on here too. How much Perl knowledge is required? Which testing frameworks, if any? Is it a permanent full-time position or something else? When you say "tester" do you mean to suggest that this is not a software development role so much as quality assurance? Multi-lingual programmers should be hard to find, in the sense that they have an extra - often handy - skill. It would help if you could provide a more compelling case as to why they should be interested in your job. > The client is big enough that they will sponsor people for perm > residency But you need them today, and residency takes time. How does that work? I offer some advice on writing job ads for technical audiences with my jobs page and guidelines: http://perltraining.com.au/jobs/ http://perltraining.com.au/jobs/guidelines.html In particular the second link there provides links to some great write-ups on the topic. This isn't active yet (not enough tuits) but it should give you an idea of what information the really good programmers, the ones you most want to recruit, want to see in a job ad. All the best, J PS: I'd recommend choosing a more useful subject line in future. Perhaps "Recruiting: 1. Perl Developer; 2. Tester fluent in Italian" -- ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ | Jacinta Richardson | `6_ 6 ) `-. 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