From scottp at dd.com.au  Sat Feb  2 16:25:46 2008
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2008 11:25:46 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Etiquette question
In-Reply-To: <06E0AD53-4934-45E0-B2A2-014ED3CAEE94@flatraterecruitment.com.au>
References: <06E0AD53-4934-45E0-B2A2-014ED3CAEE94@flatraterecruitment.com.au>
Message-ID: <A1B12EC8-6DF2-4EF2-9CCD-EB7D0F66EF7D@dd.com.au>

Hi Andrew,

On 01/02/2008, at 2:08 PM, Andrew Stuart wrote:

> Is it appropriate to post a PHP job ad to this list?  If I think  
> there might be interested parties?

No sorry that is not appropriate.

There is a PHP list, and that is the place to go. If PM programmers  
want to do PHP jobs they can look there.

http://phpmelb.org/

Scott

> Thanks
>
> Andrew Stuart
>
>
>
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From pjf at perltraining.com.au  Sat Feb  2 17:22:40 2008
From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick)
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 12:22:40 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Open Day: Thank-you Scott and Leif!
Message-ID: <47A51760.7090209@perltraining.com.au>

G'day everyone!

This is a huge, public thank-you to Scott and Leif for attending the Melb.pm 
day at Open Day.  Some rough calculations puts the number of visitors to 
Open Day at around the one thousand mark, so Leif and Scott were working 
pretty hard!

Thank-you again!

	Paul

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From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Sat Feb  2 19:00:54 2008
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson)
Date: Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:00:54 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl best practices: script actions based on a
 command line argument
In-Reply-To: <87hcgtqllv.fsf@rimspace.net>
References: <87hcgtqllv.fsf@rimspace.net>
Message-ID: <47A52E66.9070600@perltraining.com.au>


Daniel Pittman wrote:

>      dns mx ...         # check MX details for a domain
>      dns ns ...         # check NS details for a domain

> So, what is the general consensus on the best way to do this -- what is
> the nicest way to dispatch to the various command handlers based on a
> command line argument?


Finding consensus might be a challenge... but I'd suggest using a dispatch 
table.  This seems to be a pretty common suggestion for similar problems on Perl 
Monks for example.

# This is a hash of subroutine references.
my %dispatch = (
	dns => \&dns_function,
	mx  => \&mx_function,
);

# Then later call the subroutine
if(exists $dispatch{$arg}) {
	$dispatch{$arg}->();
	# or
	# $dispatch{$arge}->(@args);
} else {
	# Unknown option
}


All the best,

	J

From alfiejohn at gmail.com  Sun Feb  3 13:34:16 2008
From: alfiejohn at gmail.com (Alfie John)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 08:34:16 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl best practices: script actions based on a
	command line argument
In-Reply-To: <47A52E66.9070600@perltraining.com.au>
References: <87hcgtqllv.fsf@rimspace.net>
	<47A52E66.9070600@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <bb79c8f30802031334w36f8183dw3246e8a437410436@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys,

For a quick hacks, I really like Wes' method of can() since no setup
code is required and it just works. However If there are security
concerns, a dispatch table is the way to go since you can be explicit
on which functions are going to be called, provide a default when one
doesn't exist, and no private functions can ever be called.

Alfie

On Feb 3, 2008 2:00 PM, Jacinta Richardson <jarich at perltraining.com.au> wrote:
>
> Daniel Pittman wrote:
>
> >      dns mx ...         # check MX details for a domain
> >      dns ns ...         # check NS details for a domain
>
> > So, what is the general consensus on the best way to do this -- what is
> > the nicest way to dispatch to the various command handlers based on a
> > command line argument?
>
>
> Finding consensus might be a challenge... but I'd suggest using a dispatch
> table.  This seems to be a pretty common suggestion for similar problems on Perl
> Monks for example.
>
> # This is a hash of subroutine references.
> my %dispatch = (
>         dns => \&dns_function,
>         mx  => \&mx_function,
> );
>
> # Then later call the subroutine
> if(exists $dispatch{$arg}) {
>         $dispatch{$arg}->();
>         # or
>         # $dispatch{$arge}->(@args);
> } else {
>         # Unknown option
> }
>
>
> All the best,
>
>
>         J
> _______________________________________________
> Melbourne-pm mailing list
> Melbourne-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm
>

From scottp at dd.com.au  Sun Feb  3 16:13:23 2008
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:13:23 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] This month ?
Message-ID: <5BC4084B-1E88-4428-B570-3EB3E16EC70D@dd.com.au>

Hey Everyone :-)

Linux conf has motivated me on two fronts. To do more talks and to do  
more on Perl 6, Parrot et al. For those who missed it, Alison's talk  
on Parrot and how a large portion of Python was integrated, was very  
good.

So... what do we have one this week?

Not sure how yet I am dealing with Teha, but I need to come to the  
talks :-)

Would you like to hear about the OLPC (yes, first thing I did was to  
put perl on it), or Perl6/Parrot?

Scott



From alfiejohn at gmail.com  Sun Feb  3 16:27:22 2008
From: alfiejohn at gmail.com (Alfie John)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:27:22 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] This month ?
In-Reply-To: <5BC4084B-1E88-4428-B570-3EB3E16EC70D@dd.com.au>
References: <5BC4084B-1E88-4428-B570-3EB3E16EC70D@dd.com.au>
Message-ID: <bb79c8f30802031627x7427686dqcc5d81b327d0e377@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Scott,

You have Perl running on the OLPC? Nice!

There have been a lot of talks on Perl6 at various conferences and
MPM, but have yet to hear a talk solely on Parrot. I for one would
love to hear the nitty gritty on Parrot.

Alfie

On Feb 4, 2008 11:13 AM, Scott Penrose <scottp at dd.com.au> wrote:
> Hey Everyone :-)
>
> Linux conf has motivated me on two fronts. To do more talks and to do
> more on Perl 6, Parrot et al. For those who missed it, Alison's talk
> on Parrot and how a large portion of Python was integrated, was very
> good.
>
> So... what do we have one this week?
>
> Not sure how yet I am dealing with Teha, but I need to come to the
> talks :-)
>
> Would you like to hear about the OLPC (yes, first thing I did was to
> put perl on it), or Perl6/Parrot?
>
> Scott
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Melbourne-pm mailing list
> Melbourne-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm
>

From crashkat at gmail.com  Sun Feb  3 16:48:00 2008
From: crashkat at gmail.com (Kat Grant)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 11:48:00 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] This month ?
In-Reply-To: <5BC4084B-1E88-4428-B570-3EB3E16EC70D@dd.com.au>
References: <5BC4084B-1E88-4428-B570-3EB3E16EC70D@dd.com.au>
Message-ID: <71AA3073-26B3-4015-8E10-8B7FF8DA17EA@gmail.com>

Hey Scott
Bring her along! I'll babysit while you do your talk :)

K

On 04/02/2008, at 11:13 AM, Scott Penrose wrote:

> Hey Everyone :-)
>
> Linux conf has motivated me on two fronts. To do more talks and to do
> more on Perl 6, Parrot et al. For those who missed it, Alison's talk
> on Parrot and how a large portion of Python was integrated, was very
> good.
>
> So... what do we have one this week?
>
> Not sure how yet I am dealing with Teha, but I need to come to the
> talks :-)
>
> Would you like to hear about the OLPC (yes, first thing I did was to
> put perl on it), or Perl6/Parrot?
>
> Scott
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Melbourne-pm mailing list
> Melbourne-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm


From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Sun Feb  3 16:45:31 2008
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 11:45:31 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] This month ?
In-Reply-To: <5BC4084B-1E88-4428-B570-3EB3E16EC70D@dd.com.au>
References: <5BC4084B-1E88-4428-B570-3EB3E16EC70D@dd.com.au>
Message-ID: <47A6602B.7070207@perltraining.com.au>

Scott Penrose wrote:
> Hey Everyone :-)
> 
> Linux conf has motivated me on two fronts. To do more talks and to do  
> more on Perl 6, Parrot et al. For those who missed it, Alison's talk  
> on Parrot and how a large portion of Python was integrated, was very  
> good.
> 
> So... what do we have one this week?

I would expect the next Melbourne Perl Mongers meeting is on Wednesday 13th Feb. 
  I don't know of any organisation for it though.  You're suggesting you'll give 
a talk?

All the best,

	Jacinta

From bianca at unisolve.com.au  Sun Feb  3 17:07:34 2008
From: bianca at unisolve.com.au (Bianca Taylor)
Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2008 12:07:34 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] This month ?
In-Reply-To: <71AA3073-26B3-4015-8E10-8B7FF8DA17EA@gmail.com>
References: <5BC4084B-1E88-4428-B570-3EB3E16EC70D@dd.com.au>
	<71AA3073-26B3-4015-8E10-8B7FF8DA17EA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200802041207.34375.bianca@unisolve.com.au>

I'll help you Kat! ;-)
Bianca

On Monday 04 February 2008 11:48, Kat Grant wrote:
> Hey Scott
> Bring her along! I'll babysit while you do your talk :)
>
> K
>
> On 04/02/2008, at 11:13 AM, Scott Penrose wrote:
> > Hey Everyone :-)
> >
> > Linux conf has motivated me on two fronts. To do more talks and to do
> > more on Perl 6, Parrot et al. For those who missed it, Alison's talk
> > on Parrot and how a large portion of Python was integrated, was very
> > good.
> >
> > So... what do we have one this week?
> >
> > Not sure how yet I am dealing with Teha, but I need to come to the
> > talks :-)
> >
> > Would you like to hear about the OLPC (yes, first thing I did was to
> > put perl on it), or Perl6/Parrot?
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Melbourne-pm mailing list
> > Melbourne-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm
>
> _______________________________________________
> Melbourne-pm mailing list
> Melbourne-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm

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Melbourne Australia
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From daniel at rimspace.net  Sun Feb  3 17:39:08 2008
From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 12:39:08 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl best practices: script actions based on a
	command line argument
In-Reply-To: <47A52E66.9070600@perltraining.com.au> (Jacinta Richardson's
	message of "Sun, 03 Feb 2008 14:00:54 +1100")
References: <87hcgtqllv.fsf@rimspace.net>
	<47A52E66.9070600@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <877ihllcub.fsf@rimspace.net>

Jacinta Richardson <jarich at perltraining.com.au> writes:
> Daniel Pittman wrote:
>
>>      dns mx ...         # check MX details for a domain
>>      dns ns ...         # check NS details for a domain
>
>> So, what is the general consensus on the best way to do this -- what is
>> the nicest way to dispatch to the various command handlers based on a
>> command line argument?
>
> Finding consensus might be a challenge... but I'd suggest using a
> dispatch table.  This seems to be a pretty common suggestion for
> similar problems on Perl Monks for example.

*nod*

In the end I turned up a CPAN module that deals with (most of) this for
me, nicely: App::Cmd.  Not packaged for Debian/Ubuntu yet, but it does a
reasonable job of encapsulating the design style -- including
auto-loading of the command modules, etc.

In general I like Toby's suggestion, but a dispatch table is more
secure.

Ah, well.  No simple consensus, which helps me feel better about having
to invent my own mechanism rather than using existing "best practice."

        Daniel
-- 
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1/130-132 Stawell St, Richmond              Web: http://www.cyber.com.au
Cybersource: Australia's Leading Linux and Open Source Solutions Company

From daniel at rimspace.net  Mon Feb  4 01:05:38 2008
From: daniel at rimspace.net (Daniel Pittman)
Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2008 20:05:38 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Perl best practices: script actions based on a
	command line argument
In-Reply-To: <47A68FC4.1040606@netratings.com.au> (Mathew Robertson's message
	of "Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:08:36 +1100")
References: <87hcgtqllv.fsf@rimspace.net>
	<47A52E66.9070600@perltraining.com.au> <877ihllcub.fsf@rimspace.net>
	<47A68FC4.1040606@netratings.com.au>
Message-ID: <87myqhnlb1.fsf@rimspace.net>

Mathew Robertson <mathew.robertson at netratings.com.au> writes:

>                  dns mx ...         # check MX details for a domain
>                  dns ns ...         # check NS details for a domain
>
>             So, what is the general consensus on the best way to do this -- what is
>             the nicest way to dispatch to the various command handlers based on a
>             command line argument?
>
>         Finding consensus might be a challenge... but I'd suggest using a
>         dispatch table.  This seems to be a pretty common suggestion for
>         similar problems on Perl Monks for example.
>
>     *nod*
>
>     In the end I turned up a CPAN module that deals with (most of) this for
>     me, nicely: App::Cmd.  Not packaged for Debian/Ubuntu yet, but it does a
>     reasonable job of encapsulating the design style -- including
>     auto-loading of the command modules, etc.
>
>     In general I like Toby's suggestion, but a dispatch table is more
>     secure.
>
>     Ah, well.  No simple consensus, which helps me feel better about having
>     to invent my own mechanism rather than using existing "best practice."
>
> Have you considered the programmable command-line completion available
> in Bash?

Your comments don't make a great deal of sense to me.  

Programmable completion in a shell (which I may not actually use)
doesn't make a difference, one way or another, to how I process the
command line arguments in a Perl program.

Er, as far as I can see.  Have I missed something?

Regards,
        Daniel
-- 
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1/130-132 Stawell St, Richmond              Web: http://www.cyber.com.au
Cybersource: Australia's Leading Linux and Open Source Solutions Company

From pjf at perltraining.com.au  Wed Feb  6 23:54:16 2008
From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick)
Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:54:16 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Next meeting: 13 Feb
Message-ID: <47AAB928.3060401@perltraining.com.au>

G'day Everyone,

Looks like the second Wednesday this month is the 13th February, just under 
a week from today.  Scott, am I correct we'll get to see you talk about 
Parrot, the OLPC, or all the above.  ;)

Josh - Are we still able to use the REA offices for this month's meeting? 
6:30pm okay?

Regrettably I'm going to have to put in my apologies for this month's 
meeting.  I'll be in Canberra on a teaching assignment, but I'll be back for 
our meeting in March[1].

All the best,

	Paul

[1] Where, very tentatively, I may be able to show off some of Perl 5.10's 
new regexp features.

-- 
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Director of Training                   | Ph:  +61 3 9354 6001
Perl Training Australia                | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681

From melbourne.pm at joshheumann.com  Thu Feb  7 16:47:50 2008
From: melbourne.pm at joshheumann.com (Josh Heumann)
Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 16:47:50 -0800
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Next meeting: 13 Feb
In-Reply-To: <47AAB928.3060401@perltraining.com.au>
References: <47AAB928.3060401@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <20080208004750.GA19679@joshheumann.com>

<quote who='Paul Fenwick' when='Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 06:54:16PM +1100'>
> Josh - Are we still able to use the REA offices for this month's meeting? 
> 6:30pm okay?

Yep, realestate.com.au is happy to host us again this month.  For those
of you who haven't been, we're at 678 Victoria St in Richmond.

Map: http://tinyurl.com/3yrhrx

J

From alecclews at gmail.com  Thu Feb  7 16:53:57 2008
From: alecclews at gmail.com (Alec Clews)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 11:53:57 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Next meeting: 13 Feb
In-Reply-To: <20080208004750.GA19679@joshheumann.com>
Message-ID: <C3D1F355.9EE1%alecclews@gmail.com>

Thank you Paul and Josh for getting this months meeting organised.

I shall be in Sydney so please accept my apologies.



-- 
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Personal <alec.clews at gmail.com>             Melbourne, Australia.
Jabber:  alecclews at jabber.org.au             PGPKey ID: 0x9BBBFC7C
Blog  http://alecthegeek.wordpress.com/



> From: Josh Heumann <melbourne.pm at joshheumann.com>
> Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2008 16:47:50 -0800
> To: Melbourne Perl Mongers <melbourne-pm at pm.org>
> Subject: Re: [Melbourne-pm] Next meeting: 13 Feb
> 
> <quote who='Paul Fenwick' when='Thu, Feb 07, 2008 at 06:54:16PM +1100'>
>> Josh - Are we still able to use the REA offices for this month's meeting?
>> 6:30pm okay?
> 
> Yep, realestate.com.au is happy to host us again this month.  For those
> of you who haven't been, we're at 678 Victoria St in Richmond.
> 
> Map: http://tinyurl.com/3yrhrx
> 
> J
> _______________________________________________
> Melbourne-pm mailing list
> Melbourne-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm



From jarich at perltraining.com.au  Thu Feb  7 21:00:50 2008
From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson)
Date: Fri, 08 Feb 2008 16:00:50 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Melbourne Open Source Industry Australia Meeting!
 6:30pm Friday 29th Feb.
Message-ID: <47ABE202.6080603@perltraining.com.au>

G'day folk,

If you run or work in a business with an open source focus (for example you use
Open Source tools extensively, you provide services using/supporting Open Source
tools, you create Open Source software...) you are invited to OSIA's February
meeting.  You do not have to be a member of OSIA (Open Source Industry of
Australia) to attend, although you may be encouraged to think about joining.  ;)

Come and find out who else is working in with Open Source, meet new people,
learn new things and become involved!  This meeting is 3 weeks from today.

I am inviting you on behalf of Donna Benjamin who's organising this meeting.
The rest of the details are as follows:

--------

Venue: Innovation @ 257
       257 Collins Street, Melbourne CBD
Time:  Arrive from 6pm for a 6:30 start
       Friday 29th February, 2008

Paul Fenwick from Perl Training Australia will deliver his talk on
Running an Open Source Business. Paul is an entertaining presenter and
recently won a prize for 'Best Lightning Talk' at linux.conf.au 2008.

Following Paul's talk we will either have lightning talks from members
about their businesses, or free discussion, or nick off for food and
drink.  Options and Flexibility.

At this stage the event is free, unless people indicate they would like
me to arrange beverages and snacks - for which we will need to collect
some cash.

Please RSVP by email to Donna (donna at cc.com.au).
So that I can tell the venue how many chairs we'll need.

cheers
Donna

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http://www.creativecontingencies.com/
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From leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au  Tue Feb  5 14:57:56 2008
From: leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au (leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au)
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 09:57:56 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Amazon Web Services Evangalist in AUS and NZ this
	month
Message-ID: <6462CBB658614845A7702E379880769803087A1E@exhnat2.nsw.hpa>

(shamelessly ripped off from the rails-oceania list)
 
Hi,



Just noticed on the Amazon AWS mailing list that Mike Culver, the AWS

evangelist, is doing a quick tour of AUS and NZ this month. If you are

interested in using Amazon Web Services (Like S3 & ECC) you might want

to try and attend.



http://evangelists.wetpaint.com/page/Mike+Culver+NZ+Australia+Feb+2008
<http://evangelists.wetpaint.com/page/Mike+Culver+NZ+Australia+Feb+2008>




(the newsletter is available here

http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/entry.jspa?externalID=119
6
<http://developer.amazonwebservices.com/connect/entry.jspa?externalID=11
96> 

)


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From scottp at dd.com.au  Sat Feb  9 18:06:13 2008
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:06:13 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Apache2::Filter::RE
Message-ID: <4EF63C9B-8DC4-4F0C-BD0A-216303C191C9@dd.com.au>

Before I publish my module I thought I would ask if there was an  
alternative...

I have a requirement to change a URL on the fly on my web server. It  
is a very simple RE.

s|"/z/blah|"http://somwhereelse.com/z/blah|g

Not fool proof, but 99.99% accurate for my HTML.

So I wrote up a quick Apache filter to do the work -  
Apache2::Filter::RE - give it a list of regular expressions over HTML  
to apply.

But it strikes me that this would be so common it must already exist,  
and perhaps as a SAX event or C version apache module. Anyone know of  
anything like that?

Scott

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From thatha at gmail.com  Sat Feb  9 21:55:39 2008
From: thatha at gmail.com (Gautam Gopalakrishnan)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:55:39 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Apache2::Filter::RE
In-Reply-To: <4EF63C9B-8DC4-4F0C-BD0A-216303C191C9@dd.com.au>
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On Feb 10, 2008 1:06 PM, Scott Penrose <scottp at dd.com.au> wrote:
> I have a requirement to change a URL on the fly on my web server. It
> is a very simple RE.

Have you checked mod_rewrite ?

http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_rewrite.html

From scottp at dd.com.au  Sat Feb  9 22:05:52 2008
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:05:52 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Apache2::Filter::RE
In-Reply-To: <a3ada2d10802092155t415ce338s164616cbe7d879a7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4EF63C9B-8DC4-4F0C-BD0A-216303C191C9@dd.com.au>
	<a3ada2d10802092155t415ce338s164616cbe7d879a7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <343CB7B8-2747-467B-9D5B-421190860BEE@dd.com.au>

mod_rewrite seems to only do URL rewrites. I am doing content rewrite  
- e.g. changing the content of the HTML page.
Or am I wrong?

Scott

On 10/02/2008, at 4:55 PM, Gautam Gopalakrishnan wrote:

> On Feb 10, 2008 1:06 PM, Scott Penrose <scottp at dd.com.au> wrote:
>> I have a requirement to change a URL on the fly on my web server. It
>> is a very simple RE.
>
> Have you checked mod_rewrite ?
>
> http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_rewrite.html
> _______________________________________________
> Melbourne-pm mailing list
> Melbourne-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm

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From deepfryed at gmail.com  Sat Feb  9 22:24:18 2008
From: deepfryed at gmail.com (deepfryed at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:24:18 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Apache2::Filter::RE
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mod_ext_filter allows you to do something similar using an external
program, Apache::StrReplace does something very similar with a
perloutputfilterhandler



On 2/10/08, Scott Penrose <scottp at dd.com.au> wrote:
> mod_rewrite seems to only do URL rewrites. I am doing content rewrite
> - e.g. changing the content of the HTML page.
> Or am I wrong?
>
> Scott
>
> On 10/02/2008, at 4:55 PM, Gautam Gopalakrishnan wrote:
>
> > On Feb 10, 2008 1:06 PM, Scott Penrose <scottp at dd.com.au> wrote:
> >> I have a requirement to change a URL on the fly on my web server. It
> >> is a very simple RE.
> >
> > Have you checked mod_rewrite ?
> >
> > http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/mod_rewrite.html
> > _______________________________________________
> > Melbourne-pm mailing list
> > Melbourne-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm
>
>

From scottp at dd.com.au  Sat Feb  9 22:32:12 2008
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:32:12 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Apache2::Filter::RE
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On 10/02/2008, at 5:24 PM, deepfryed at gmail.com wrote:

> mod_ext_filter allows you to do something similar using an external
> program, Apache::StrReplace does something very similar with a
> perloutputfilterhandler

External is too slow for production.
Apache::StrReplace only allows a single Reg Ex.

Scooter


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From toby.corkindale at rea-group.com  Sun Feb 10 15:54:05 2008
From: toby.corkindale at rea-group.com (Toby Corkindale)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 10:54:05 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Apache2::Filter::RE
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	<EC4C7688-C0ED-408D-8F8D-69E80D16A38F@dd.com.au>
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Scott Penrose wrote:
> 
> On 10/02/2008, at 5:24 PM, deepfryed at gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> mod_ext_filter allows you to do something similar using an external
>> program, Apache::StrReplace does something very similar with a
>> perloutputfilterhandler
> 
> External is too slow for production.
> Apache::StrReplace only allows a single Reg Ex.

If performance is an issue, why not fix the problem at the source?
ie. Edit your HTML on-disk..

Failing that, I suggest using mod_rewrite or a custom 404 handler. In 
either case, you detect that the URL looks like one that should be on 
the other server, and redirect them over there.

Lastly, if you're definitely going to filter every page, then I hope 
you're using a reverse-proxy to cache the results?

-Toby

From scottp at dd.com.au  Sun Feb 10 16:06:11 2008
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:06:11 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Apache2::Filter::RE
In-Reply-To: <47AF8E9D.1090802@rea-group.com>
References: <4EF63C9B-8DC4-4F0C-BD0A-216303C191C9@dd.com.au>	<a3ada2d10802092155t415ce338s164616cbe7d879a7@mail.gmail.com>	<343CB7B8-2747-467B-9D5B-421190860BEE@dd.com.au>	<70b2ff110802092224k4dfb8997kd804d92aa8a239b0@mail.gmail.com>
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I am really sorry I have confused everyone.

This has NOTHING to do with URLs - so mod_rewrite - right out.

I will give you a new example, just to save some confusion.

s/Scott /Scooter /g

It is a content filter, not a URL/Header filter.

As for chaning on disk - just not practical. If that was the case we  
wouldn't have any apache filters - we could get rid of Deflate for  
example :-)

Content these days comes from remote sources, dynamic generated, etc
And we want to change things on the fly... filters are a way of doing  
that.

Anyway, the answer is... Apache::StrReplace with some modifications  
(actually I had already written my own but the code is 90% the same) -  
i.e. a set of Regular Expressions. I have contacted the author to see  
if we can make some changes, if not I will release my own module.

Sorry that the URL example I gave confused - I was changing URLs in  
the content - not URLs received by Apache. So my RegEx above should be  
more clear.

What I was/am looking for is a filter - not another way to do it as I  
know those :-)

BTW. There are other solutions, the plethara of XSL modules do the  
trick - but I thought they would probably be overkill for one simple  
change. Most of the Template filters can do it, you can even compile  
PHP as a filter and run that. All of those seem very heavy weight for  
a simple solution - what I want(ed) was mod_rewrite for content :-)

BTW. There is another problem with mod_rewrite - not related to this  
problem - I wrote Apache::Remote::Simple to get around it. The problem  
is that mod_rewrite can not change Query String or other headers -  
only the URL. In the system I was writting it was necessary to map a  
single search URL with "?q=My+Search+String" into what ever was  
appopriate for the remote system (e.g. http://search.cpan.org/search?query=My+Search+String&mode=all 
  for searching CPAN) - unfortunately it can't do it.

Scott

On 11/02/2008, at 10:54 AM, Toby Corkindale wrote:

> Scott Penrose wrote:
>>
>> On 10/02/2008, at 5:24 PM, deepfryed at gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> mod_ext_filter allows you to do something similar using an external
>>> program, Apache::StrReplace does something very similar with a
>>> perloutputfilterhandler
>>
>> External is too slow for production.
>> Apache::StrReplace only allows a single Reg Ex.
>
> If performance is an issue, why not fix the problem at the source?
> ie. Edit your HTML on-disk..
>
> Failing that, I suggest using mod_rewrite or a custom 404 handler. In
> either case, you detect that the URL looks like one that should be on
> the other server, and redirect them over there.
>
> Lastly, if you're definitely going to filter every page, then I hope
> you're using a reverse-proxy to cache the results?
>
> -Toby
> _______________________________________________
> Melbourne-pm mailing list
> Melbourne-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm


From scottp at dd.com.au  Sun Feb 10 16:12:16 2008
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:12:16 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Apache2::Filter::RE
In-Reply-To: <6394E535-4D75-4917-AD54-5CC698422EB9@dd.com.au>
References: <4EF63C9B-8DC4-4F0C-BD0A-216303C191C9@dd.com.au>	<a3ada2d10802092155t415ce338s164616cbe7d879a7@mail.gmail.com>	<343CB7B8-2747-467B-9D5B-421190860BEE@dd.com.au>	<70b2ff110802092224k4dfb8997kd804d92aa8a239b0@mail.gmail.com>
	<EC4C7688-C0ED-408D-8F8D-69E80D16A38F@dd.com.au>
	<47AF8E9D.1090802@rea-group.com>
	<6394E535-4D75-4917-AD54-5CC698422EB9@dd.com.au>
Message-ID: <C2FADA97-F1E9-48B7-ACDA-6FA5D50C87BF@dd.com.au>

Sorry forgot to mention,

>> If performance is an issue, why not fix the problem at the source?
>> ie. Edit your HTML on-disk..
>>
>> Failing that, I suggest using mod_rewrite or a custom 404 handler. In
>> either case, you detect that the URL looks like one that should be on
>> the other server, and redirect them over there.

Same problem - 404 does URL rewrites, not content.

>> Lastly, if you're definitely going to filter every page, then I hope
>> you're using a reverse-proxy to cache the results?

There is no need to use a reverse-proxy to cache results from Apache.  
Not only does Apache do its own caching, but you can ask it to cache  
pages after filter. Adding reverse proxy adds overhead that should not  
be necessary. Plus this is a dynamic site (like most sites these days  
on the internet) - no two requests would ever be the same :-)

One of the places a proxy fits in nicely is when Apache itself is slow  
because of what is loaded. For example, loading mod_perl can slow down  
static pages, or delivering cached pages. Also many CMS or other  
content generating systems, which produce fairly static pages (a CMS  
generally produces a static page even though it is a dynamic system)  
perform poorly (no particular reason, sometimes just because they are  
complicated) and don't take advantage of Apache caching.

The former though - just having Apache slow because of its code base  
is a good place to use a proxy.

Scott

From Martin.G.Ryan at team.telstra.com  Sun Feb 10 16:47:19 2008
From: Martin.G.Ryan at team.telstra.com (Ryan, Martin G)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 11:47:19 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Apache2::Filter::RE
In-Reply-To: <C2FADA97-F1E9-48B7-ACDA-6FA5D50C87BF@dd.com.au>
References: <4EF63C9B-8DC4-4F0C-BD0A-216303C191C9@dd.com.au>	<a3ada2d10802092155t415ce338s164616cbe7d879a7@mail.gmail.com>	<343CB7B8-2747-467B-9D5B-421190860BEE@dd.com.au>	<70b2ff110802092224k4dfb8997kd804d92aa8a239b0@mail.gmail.com><EC4C7688-C0ED-408D-8F8D-69E80D16A38F@dd.com.au><47AF8E9D.1090802@rea-group.com><6394E535-4D75-4917-AD54-5CC698422EB9@dd.com.au>
	<C2FADA97-F1E9-48B7-ACDA-6FA5D50C87BF@dd.com.au>
Message-ID: <91E76D04F87FF440986BC1CF6FD84AE8047A1CFE@WSMSG2153V.srv.dir.telstra.com>

 
>> Lastly, if you're definitely going to filter every page, then I hope 
>> you're using a reverse-proxy to cache the results?

> There is no need to use a reverse-proxy to cache results from Apache. 

Is that a full stop at the end of that sentence?  :-)

I presume you mean "no point using a reverse-proxy if you're thinking
that's going to save apache from having to continually re-apply the
filter." - yes?

I've seen large sites that use commercial file caches as reverse proxies
to reduce the load on apache content servers - not the load of applying
filters and whatnot - just the load of having to actually put the
content on the cable.

Is this a sane thing to do?

Martin

From scottp at dd.com.au  Sun Feb 10 17:10:10 2008
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:10:10 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Apache2::Filter::RE
In-Reply-To: <91E76D04F87FF440986BC1CF6FD84AE8047A1CFE@WSMSG2153V.srv.dir.telstra.com>
References: <4EF63C9B-8DC4-4F0C-BD0A-216303C191C9@dd.com.au>	<a3ada2d10802092155t415ce338s164616cbe7d879a7@mail.gmail.com>	<343CB7B8-2747-467B-9D5B-421190860BEE@dd.com.au>	<70b2ff110802092224k4dfb8997kd804d92aa8a239b0@mail.gmail.com><EC4C7688-C0ED-408D-8F8D-69E80D16A38F@dd.com.au><47AF8E9D.1090802@rea-group.com><6394E535-4D75-4917-AD54-5CC698422EB9@dd.com.au>
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On 11/02/2008, at 11:47 AM, Ryan, Martin G wrote:

>
>>> Lastly, if you're definitely going to filter every page, then I hope
>>> you're using a reverse-proxy to cache the results?
>
>> There is no need to use a reverse-proxy to cache results from Apache.
>
> Is that a full stop at the end of that sentence?  :-)

You misquoted a little, by cutting the rest of the email - which  
coveres when to use and when not to.

>
>
> I presume you mean "no point using a reverse-proxy if you're thinking
> that's going to save apache from having to continually re-apply the
> filter." - yes?
>
> I've seen large sites that use commercial file caches as reverse  
> proxies
> to reduce the load on apache content servers - not the load of  
> applying
> filters and whatnot - just the load of having to actually put the
> content on the cable.
>
> Is this a sane thing to do?

It can be. A proxy is often used to increase performance in place of  
caching. This is when it should not really be done. It is a matter of  
deciding where your caching should be done: Browser, ISP/Local/Company  
Proxy, Server Proxy, Apache, Application Cache, None - all have  
reason. The great advantage of using Apache to cache is that you get  
all the advantages of Applicaiton Cache (local control to expire it  
etc). Of course ideally we provide correct headers so that the Browser  
and ISP/Local/Company proxy can cache the objects.

However. The reality is that Apache can be slow. If it wasn't we would  
not need excellent projects such as LigHTTPD.

Solutions that have been used in projects include moving static  
content across to an alternative Apache instance or even physical  
machine, or caching the entire system (proxy - what people often call  
a reverse proxy - but it i just a cache).

Another common solution to the static problem is to use a CDN - Common  
Delivery Network. Basically this is just farming off your static work  
to someone else. But - the big advantages are that those producing a  
CDN network often put effort into getting geographically (or rather  
internet-agraphical) close mirrors of the servers. So when you click  
on www.apple.com - it is faster because the static content (a large  
portion of the code - images, css, js) is on a faster link.

I have just started doing this myself, sort of. Getting hosting  
overseas is expensive - too expensive for me. This is because I have  
unusual requirements, and need to run a large number of virtual  
machines running unusual system configurations. A 512K link is not too  
expensive - much cheaper than I can get a single machine elsewhere -  
and I can now run 100s of machines. However any large content is  
really effected over such a link. So I am trying out moving static  
content (not all static, but at least the css, js and associated  
images) to an ISP - and in this case an ISP that has a cheap service,  
as now I need nothing special - just a static web server and remote  
FTP access.

Remind me and I will tell you how it goes :-)

Scott


From Martin.G.Ryan at team.telstra.com  Sun Feb 10 17:33:34 2008
From: Martin.G.Ryan at team.telstra.com (Ryan, Martin G)
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:33:34 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Apache2::Filter::RE
In-Reply-To: <58D55F67-0F6D-4F4E-A7AB-D27B5E11F88C@dd.com.au>
References: <4EF63C9B-8DC4-4F0C-BD0A-216303C191C9@dd.com.au>	<a3ada2d10802092155t415ce338s164616cbe7d879a7@mail.gmail.com>	<343CB7B8-2747-467B-9D5B-421190860BEE@dd.com.au>	<70b2ff110802092224k4dfb8997kd804d92aa8a239b0@mail.gmail.com><EC4C7688-C0ED-408D-8F8D-69E80D16A38F@dd.com.au><47AF8E9D.1090802@rea-group.com><6394E535-4D75-4917-AD54-5CC698422EB9@dd.com.au>
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>>> There is no need to use a reverse-proxy to cache results from
Apache.
>>
>> Is that a full stop at the end of that sentence?  :-)
>
> You misquoted a little, by cutting the rest of the email - 
> which coveres when to use and when not to.

Well, at the risk of being pedantic, I would say "seletively quoted" -
whatever - as long as you undertand that it wasn't my intention to
missrepresent you.  That is to say, my confusion was genuine.

Many thanks for taking the time to give your reply - I found it both
useful and interesting.

> Remind me and I will tell you how it goes :-)

You can count on it. :-)

Martin

From jacinta.richardson at member.sage-au.org.au  Tue Feb 12 21:29:21 2008
From: jacinta.richardson at member.sage-au.org.au (jacinta.richardson at member.sage-au.org.au)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:29:21 +1100 (EST)
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] SAGE-AU 2008 Call for Participation
Message-ID: <20080213052921.49D4811004E@teddybear.perltraining.com.au>

SAGE-AU invites the members of Melbourne Perl Mongers
to submit proposals to the 16th Australian System Administrators' 
Conference.  

(If messages of this nature are not welcome on this 
list then please let me know and I'll make sure not to trouble 
you further.)

[Please forward this invitation to anyone you feel would be interested]

16th Annual System Administrators' Conference (SAGE-AU 2008)
============================================================
The System Administrators' Guild of Australia
Adelaide, 11-15th August 2008

SAGE-AU was formed to advance the profession of System Administration by
raising awareness of the need for System Administrators, and educating
System Administrators in technical as well as professional issues.  Our
yearly conference provides a forum for System Administrators of all
platforms and levels of experience to gather together and share their
experiences.  Further it provides an excellent opportunity to meet and
network with acknowledged experts in the field.

SAGE-AU 2008 will be held in Adelaide from the 11th-15th August.

Tutorial Program: 11th - 13th August
------------------------------------

SAGE-AU 2008 will include three days of tutorials of both 3 hours and 6
hours duration. Previous years have included tutorials on topics such as:

    * Automating Windows Vista
    * Change Management
    * Issues in Unix Infrastructure Design
    * Management-101

For more details and to submit your proposal(s), visit our Call for
Technical Presentations (http://www.sage-au.org.au/x/Xg8) 

Technical Program: 14th - 15th August
-------------------------------------

For the first year, two parallel streams will be running. If your job
includes looking after systems, networks, or machines for which you are not
the sole-user, we'd love to hear you speak!

Previous years have included talks on topics such as:

    * Security
    * Wireless Networks
    * System Administration Ethics
    * Virtualisation
    * Standards (and Compliance)

For more details and to submit your proposal(s), visit our Call for
Technical Presentations (http://www.sage-au.org.au/x/Xg8)

If you have any questions or require assistance with your submission,
please don't hesitate to ask!


SAGE-AU 2008 Adelaide - Submission Dates
----------------------------------------
Call for Papers/Tutorials Issued        12th February 2008
Proposals Due                           31st March 2008
Provisional Notification                28th April 2008
Draft Paper/Tutorials Due                2nd June 2008
Confirmed Acceptance and Contracts      16th June 2008
Final Paper/Tutorial Materials Due      14th July 2008

For all information, contacts and updates, see the SAGE-AU conference web
site at http://www.sage-au.org.au/display/conf/

From pjf at perltraining.com.au  Tue Feb 12 22:33:41 2008
From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:33:41 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Next meeting: TONIGHT
In-Reply-To: <47AAB928.3060401@perltraining.com.au>
References: <47AAB928.3060401@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <47B28F45.4040500@perltraining.com.au>

G'day Everyone,

I'm in Canberra, but since tonight is Melbourne.pm I thought it best I post 
a reminder:

When:	TONIGHT, 6:30pm

Where:	realestate.com.au
	678 Victoria St
	Richmond
	Map: http://tinyurl.com/3yrhrx

Who:	Scott Penrose speaking on Parrot, One Laptop Per Child, or both[1].

Cheerio,

	Paul

[1] I hope this is true.  I haven't seen Scott actively deny that he's talking.

-- 
Paul Fenwick <pjf at perltraining.com.au> | http://perltraining.com.au/
Director of Training                   | Ph:  +61 3 9354 6001
Perl Training Australia                | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681

From scottp at dd.com.au  Wed Feb 13 02:32:25 2008
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 21:32:25 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Next meeting: TONIGHT
In-Reply-To: <47B28F45.4040500@perltraining.com.au>
References: <47AAB928.3060401@perltraining.com.au>
	<47B28F45.4040500@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <23B01923-18A6-4176-B0BD-EC54C278C680@dd.com.au>

:-)

Now where were you :-)

I talked about:

	? S5
	? Why I Love Java
	? ModPerl Filters
	? Evil Perl
	? OLPC Introduction and Performance
	? OLPC Perl

Scooter

On 13/02/2008, at 5:33 PM, Paul Fenwick wrote:

> G'day Everyone,
>
> I'm in Canberra, but since tonight is Melbourne.pm I thought it best  
> I post
> a reminder:
>
> When:	TONIGHT, 6:30pm
>
> Where:	realestate.com.au
> 	678 Victoria St
> 	Richmond
> 	Map: http://tinyurl.com/3yrhrx
>
> Who:	Scott Penrose speaking on Parrot, One Laptop Per Child, or  
> both[1].
>
> Cheerio,
>
> 	Paul
>
> [1] I hope this is true.  I haven't seen Scott actively deny that  
> he's talking.
>
> -- 
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From pjf at perltraining.com.au  Wed Feb 13 13:49:20 2008
From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:49:20 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Next meeting: TONIGHT
In-Reply-To: <23B01923-18A6-4176-B0BD-EC54C278C680@dd.com.au>
References: <47AAB928.3060401@perltraining.com.au>
	<47B28F45.4040500@perltraining.com.au>
	<23B01923-18A6-4176-B0BD-EC54C278C680@dd.com.au>
Message-ID: <47B365E0.7060100@perltraining.com.au>

G'day Scotty / MPM,

Scott Penrose wrote:

> Now where were you :-)

In Canberra (my new home for this month), doing Irish Set Dancing[1] with 
some other Perl programmers. ;)

> I talked about:
> 
>     ? S5
>     ? Why I Love Java
>     ? ModPerl Filters
>     ? Evil Perl
>     ? OLPC Introduction and Performance
>     ? OLPC Perl

D'oh!  I don't suppose anyone taped it?

Cheerio,

	Paul

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_Dancing

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From scottp at dd.com.au  Thu Feb 14 02:58:00 2008
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:58:00 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Talks...
Message-ID: <7A940514-385E-455F-BE3B-C310D6935F2A@dd.com.au>

They are not fantastic, as they are only slides, but my talks are here  
online...

* http://perl.net.au/wiki/Melbourne_Perl_Mongers/Meeting_History_2008
* http://scott.dd.com.au/wiki/Category_Talk

Scott
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From pjf at perltraining.com.au  Wed Feb 20 13:55:46 2008
From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:55:46 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Melbourne.pm venue needed!
Message-ID: <47BCA1E2.8060509@perltraining.com.au>

G'day everyone,

This is your chance to decide the next venue for one of Melbourne's hottest 
and most exciting user groups!  Melbourne.pm is looking for a new venue for 
the next couple of months[1].  All venue suggestions are welcome, especially 
if you have a location near the CBD with a data projector already available.

To start, I'd like to float the idea of Pub Mongers.  In brief, we find a 
pub with a spare function room and scrounge a projector from somewhere.  We 
then have meetings as per normal, except that (a) you can drink during 
presentations, (b) getting food is easier (assuming the pub has decent 
fare).  These can be done instead of or in addition to regular meetings.

Ideas, comments, thoughts and questions all welcome.

Cheerio,

	Paul

[1] Realestate.com.au are unable to host Melbourne.pm for a little while due 
to administrative reasons.

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From scottp at dd.com.au  Wed Feb 20 16:38:38 2008
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:38:38 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] The end of an Association
Message-ID: <24EA9CC5-2101-4D5E-9DC9-65051DB9D87A@dd.com.au>

Hey there Perl Mongers Associated.

As discussed last year at our AGM - we would like to dissolve the  
association Melbourne Perl Mongers, and have Open Source Developers'  
Club Association take on our money (not much) and responsibility  
(provide a small level of protection and a bank account).

It has been agreed by the OSDC Exec to take on Melbourne Perl Mongers.  
OSDC will then offer this service to other open source groups.

The next step is closing up Melbourne Perl Mongers - which will  
require a meeting. I will get back to you with arrangements once I  
have read the find print.

Thanks

Scott
P.S. OSDC have more money than us - should be good for Christmas  
parties :-) Or more serious, may be able to help with venues.

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From scottp at dd.com.au  Wed Feb 20 16:44:58 2008
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:44:58 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Melbourne.pm venue needed!
In-Reply-To: <47BCA1E2.8060509@perltraining.com.au>
References: <47BCA1E2.8060509@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <89EA8813-8C35-4B52-9EA2-039D81FA5E32@dd.com.au>

I love the idea of a pub. We could even eat during our meetings :-)  
(note I am a foodie rather than a drinker) :-)

BTW. For some occasions (I can't be at all) I have a projector I can  
bring.

Scooter

On 21/02/2008, at 8:55 AM, Paul Fenwick wrote:

> G'day everyone,
>
> This is your chance to decide the next venue for one of Melbourne's  
> hottest
> and most exciting user groups!  Melbourne.pm is looking for a new  
> venue for
> the next couple of months[1].  All venue suggestions are welcome,  
> especially
> if you have a location near the CBD with a data projector already  
> available.
>
> To start, I'd like to float the idea of Pub Mongers.  In brief, we  
> find a
> pub with a spare function room and scrounge a projector from  
> somewhere.  We
> then have meetings as per normal, except that (a) you can drink during
> presentations, (b) getting food is easier (assuming the pub has decent
> fare).  These can be done instead of or in addition to regular  
> meetings.
>
> Ideas, comments, thoughts and questions all welcome.
>
> Cheerio,
>
> 	Paul
>
> [1] Realestate.com.au are unable to host Melbourne.pm for a little  
> while due
> to administrative reasons.
>
> -- 
> Paul Fenwick <pjf at perltraining.com.au> | http://perltraining.com.au/
> Director of Training                   | Ph:  +61 3 9354 6001
> Perl Training Australia                | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681
> _______________________________________________
> Melbourne-pm mailing list
> Melbourne-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/melbourne-pm

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From scottp at dd.com.au  Wed Feb 20 16:45:43 2008
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:45:43 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Melbourne.pm venue needed!
In-Reply-To: <47BCA1E2.8060509@perltraining.com.au>
References: <47BCA1E2.8060509@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <DD55E750-8C00-4825-8234-B70BB3D6A3D3@dd.com.au>

One other idea...

Perhaps we could have a few pubs - spread them out in Melbourne a  
little, to make it easier for people who have to travel a long way.

Scott
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From andrew.stuart at flatraterecruitment.com.au  Wed Feb 20 16:44:46 2008
From: andrew.stuart at flatraterecruitment.com.au (Andrew Stuart)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:44:46 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] The end of an Association
In-Reply-To: <24EA9CC5-2101-4D5E-9DC9-65051DB9D87A@dd.com.au>
References: <24EA9CC5-2101-4D5E-9DC9-65051DB9D87A@dd.com.au>
Message-ID: <1AF88178-AC62-47A5-8D2F-D7E8E5D94A1A@flatraterecruitment.com.au>

What the?

Is this just an administrative / paperwork type end to PerlMongers,  
some sort of shuffling of structure, or are we talking the finish of  
PerlMongers - dissolved, gone, finito, no more user group for Perl  
people?

Not sure I understand quite what is being said here - taken at face  
value this would mean that Perl is fading technology.

Thanks

Andrew



On 21/02/2008, at 11:38 AM, Scott Penrose wrote:

Hey there Perl Mongers Associated.

As discussed last year at our AGM - we would like to dissolve the  
association Melbourne Perl Mongers, and have Open Source Developers'  
Club Association take on our money (not much) and responsibility  
(provide a small level of protection and a bank account).

It has been agreed by the OSDC Exec to take on Melbourne Perl  
Mongers. OSDC will then offer this service to other open source groups.

The next step is closing up Melbourne Perl Mongers - which will  
require a meeting. I will get back to you with arrangements once I  
have read the find print.

Thanks

Scott
P.S. OSDC have more money than us - should be good for Christmas  
parties :-) Or more serious, may be able to help with venues.

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From scottp at dd.com.au  Wed Feb 20 16:52:05 2008
From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 11:52:05 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] The end of an Association
In-Reply-To: <1AF88178-AC62-47A5-8D2F-D7E8E5D94A1A@flatraterecruitment.com.au>
References: <24EA9CC5-2101-4D5E-9DC9-65051DB9D87A@dd.com.au>
	<1AF88178-AC62-47A5-8D2F-D7E8E5D94A1A@flatraterecruitment.com.au>
Message-ID: <E76100FB-79D1-48AC-9CC3-84A23432D608@dd.com.au>

Sorry Andrew,

I made a bad assumption that everyone knew what we were talking about  
from last years meeting.

Melbourne Perl Mongers is part of Perl Mongers (pm.org) and will  
remain that way.

Melbourne Perl Mongers Association is a Victoria, Australia  
Association - a legal entity. We created the legal entity for a bank  
account (and other reasons). The legal entity is all we want to stop -  
i.e. The Association (a not for profit legal entity in Australia used  
for clubs etc).

Melbourne Perl Mongers will continue to exist as it always has.

OSDC will then be able to provide us effective use of Bank Accounts  
(well they will probably just give us money on request if it is  
sensible).

Very sorry about the confusion.

Scott

On 21/02/2008, at 11:44 AM, Andrew Stuart wrote:

> What the?
>
> Is this just an administrative / paperwork type end to PerlMongers,  
> some sort of shuffling of structure, or are we talking the finish of  
> PerlMongers - dissolved, gone, finito, no more user group for Perl  
> people?
>
> Not sure I understand quite what is being said here - taken at face  
> value this would mean that Perl is fading technology.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andrew
>
>
>
> On 21/02/2008, at 11:38 AM, Scott Penrose wrote:
>
> Hey there Perl Mongers Associated.
>
> As discussed last year at our AGM - we would like to dissolve the  
> association Melbourne Perl Mongers, and have Open Source Developers'  
> Club Association take on our money (not much) and responsibility  
> (provide a small level of protection and a bank account).
>
> It has been agreed by the OSDC Exec to take on Melbourne Perl  
> Mongers. OSDC will then offer this service to other open source  
> groups.
>
> The next step is closing up Melbourne Perl Mongers - which will  
> require a meeting. I will get back to you with arrangements once I  
> have read the find print.
>
> Thanks
>
> Scott
> P.S. OSDC have more money than us - should be good for Christmas  
> parties :-) Or more serious, may be able to help with venues.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> 68 -72 York St
> South Melbourne, Victoria 3205
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> Phone 03 9696 1616
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From leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au  Wed Feb 20 17:04:43 2008
From: leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au (leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:04:43 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Melbourne.pm venue needed!
Message-ID: <6462CBB658614845A7702E379880769803087FAD@exhnat2.nsw.hpa>

Slightly different tack, but it is in the city.

 http://www.openhub.com.au/welcome

I've left a voicemail to see if they'd let us use a room for free every
2 months - I'll let you know how that goes ... if they say yes I'll try
to see if they give us a room for OSDClub as well.
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From ben at benbalbo.com  Wed Feb 20 17:16:13 2008
From: ben at benbalbo.com (Ben Balbo)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:16:13 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Melbourne.pm venue needed!
In-Reply-To: <DD55E750-8C00-4825-8234-B70BB3D6A3D3@dd.com.au>
References: <47BCA1E2.8060509@perltraining.com.au>
	<DD55E750-8C00-4825-8234-B70BB3D6A3D3@dd.com.au>
Message-ID: <47BCD0DD.30808@benbalbo.com>

> Perhaps we could have a few pubs - spread them out in Melbourne a 
> little, to make it easier for people who have to travel a long way.

For those who enjoy the pub and would like an opportunity to talk about 
more general tech, and not so tech, related subjects, there's also 
PubStandards, third Wednesday of each month ;-)

http://melbourne.pubstandards.org/about/

BB

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From leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au  Wed Feb 20 17:29:08 2008
From: leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au (leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:29:08 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Melbourne.pm venue needed!
Message-ID: <6462CBB658614845A7702E379880769803087FAF@exhnat2.nsw.hpa>

I've had a callback, and they are definitely interested in hosting us,
in principle. They need to check their future bookings to see if there's
anything stopping them from that point. They would also like some of us
to come and check the place out to make sure it meets our needs. Its in
the same building as ThoughtWorks, which is where the Melbourne Ruby
USers Group meets, near the legal end of town. There are thus some
really great bars nearby, some of which I've still got good credit
at.... 

Whilst it wont have a bar, it does have _everything_ else - internet,
projectors, whiteboards etc.

Maybe there's a niche for a BeerHub - the coworking pub ...

L

> -----Original Message-----
> From: melbourne-pm-bounces+leif.eriksen=hpa.com.au at pm.org 
> [mailto:melbourne-pm-bounces+leif.eriksen=hpa.com.au at pm.org] 
> On Behalf Of Leif Eriksen
> Sent: Thursday, 21 February 2008 12:05 PM
> To: melbourne-pm at pm.org
> Subject: Re: [Melbourne-pm] Melbourne.pm venue needed!
> 
> Slightly different tack, but it is in the city.
> 
>  http://www.openhub.com.au/welcome
> 
> I've left a voicemail to see if they'd let us use a room for 
> free every
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From rick at measham.id.au  Wed Feb 20 17:37:18 2008
From: rick at measham.id.au (Rick Measham)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:37:18 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Melbourne.pm venue needed!
In-Reply-To: <47BCA1E2.8060509@perltraining.com.au>
References: <47BCA1E2.8060509@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <47BCD5CE.4090609@measham.id.au>

Paul Fenwick wrote:
> To start, I'd like to float the idea of Pub Mongers.  In brief, we find a 
> pub with a spare function room and scrounge a projector from somewhere. 

I love the idea of pub mongers and am happy to take it further. Doing 
talks-over-dinner-and-drinks would be much easier for me as the night 
would generally finish earlier.

How does South Melbourne sound to people? There are a couple of pubs on 
or near Clarendon Street that I can approach. Some might have projectors 
others not, but we have a projector at work that I imagine could be 
borrowed.

One thing that I think is fairly important would be access to the 'net.

What would people think of getting a dongle from 3/Voda/Telstra on one 
of those $29/month deals? I'd also to offer to write to the same 
organisation and see if any of them are willing to 'sponsor' the dongle. 
Alternately maybe someone already has one that they'd be willing to 
provide to the group for one evening a month (I can't imagine there'd be 
much traffic)

Cheers!
Rick Measham
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From pjf at perltraining.com.au  Wed Feb 20 18:25:26 2008
From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 13:25:26 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Melbourne.pm venue needed!
In-Reply-To: <47BCD0DD.30808@benbalbo.com>
References: <47BCA1E2.8060509@perltraining.com.au>
	<DD55E750-8C00-4825-8234-B70BB3D6A3D3@dd.com.au>
	<47BCD0DD.30808@benbalbo.com>
Message-ID: <47BCE116.4010000@perltraining.com.au>

G'day Ben/MPM

Ben Balbo wrote:

> For those who enjoy the pub and would like an opportunity to talk about 
> more general tech, and not so tech, related subjects, there's also 
> PubStandards, third Wednesday of each month ;-)
> 
> http://melbourne.pubstandards.org/about/

Thanks for the link!  I wasn't previously aware of Pub Standards.  I also 
notice that you're the group's highest scoring member.  Congratulations!

	http://melbourne.pubstandards.org/scoreboard/

Cheerio,

	Paul


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From cas at taz.net.au  Thu Feb 21 02:45:56 2008
From: cas at taz.net.au (Craig Sanders)
Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:45:56 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Melbourne.pm venue needed!
In-Reply-To: <47BCA1E2.8060509@perltraining.com.au>
References: <47BCA1E2.8060509@perltraining.com.au>
Message-ID: <20080221104556.GA8878@taz.net.au>

On Thu, Feb 21, 2008 at 08:55:46AM +1100, Paul Fenwick wrote:
> This is your chance to decide the next venue for one of Melbourne's
> hottest and most exciting user groups!  Melbourne.pm is looking for a
> new venue for the next couple of months[1].  All venue suggestions are
> welcome, especially if you have a location near the CBD with a data
> projector already available.

linux users of victoria have monthly meetings at trinity college
(melbourne uni).  i don't know how that was arranged but somebody in the
committe at LUV would know.  

good venue, several pubs and restaurants nearby (and lygon st just a
short walk away).

kraig

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From pjf at perltraining.com.au  Thu Feb 21 21:14:48 2008
From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick)
Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:14:48 +1100
Subject: [Melbourne-pm] Melbourne.pm venue needed!
In-Reply-To: <6462CBB658614845A7702E379880769803087FAF@exhnat2.nsw.hpa>
References: <6462CBB658614845A7702E379880769803087FAF@exhnat2.nsw.hpa>
Message-ID: <47BE5A48.9070207@perltraining.com.au>

G'day Leif / MPM,

leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au wrote:

[Re: OpenHub]

> Whilst it wont have a bar, it does have _everything_ else - internet,
> projectors, whiteboards etc.

This sounds fantastic if it comes through.  leriksen++

Since there also seems to be a lot of support for pub mongers, I'd be happy 
to see alternating meetings between dry and wet locations. ;)

Cheerio,

	Paul

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