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I am greatly saddened to learn that according to: http://use.perl.org/~merlyn/journal/ http://use.perl.org/~petdance/journal/ http://use.perl.org/~KM/journal/ Spoon died suddenly on 29 Dec 2003 at the age of 24. He was a rising star in the Perl community and will be greatly missed. I was looking forward to meeting him at YAPC::AU. /-\ http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. From rickm at isite.net.au Tue Jan 13 22:25:34 2004 From: rickm at isite.net.au (Rick Measham) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:13 2004 Subject: YAPC::AU In-Reply-To: <20040114033617.30028.qmail@web10913.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031114081447.90360.qmail@web10904.mail.yahoo.com> <20040114033617.30028.qmail@web10913.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040114042433.M47760@isite.net.au> On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 14:36:17 +1100 (EST), Andrew Savige wrote > Spoon died suddenly on 29 Dec 2003 at the age of 24. He was a rising star > in the Perl community and will be greatly missed. I was looking forward > to meeting him at YAPC::AU. He was a major contributor to DateTime and I too was looking forward to meeting him at YAPC. RIP From pjf at perltraining.com.au Wed Jan 14 01:25:53 2004 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:13 2004 Subject: No Melb.PM meeting in January Message-ID: <20040114072553.GC4330@perltraining.com.au> G'day everyone, Just a quick note that there's no Melb.PM meeting in January. Most groups skip their December meeting, but as ours is early in the month, we skip January instead. :) The next Melb.PM meeting will be Wednesday, 11th Feb. See you then, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From mnjh21 at ms.jj.net Wed Jan 14 04:26:53 2004 From: mnjh21 at ms.jj.net (=?Big5?B?pOW2sg==?=) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:13 2004 Subject: =?Big5?B?v/2o+rNxqr4hISEhIQ==?= Message-ID: <200401150358.i0F3wah23168@mail.pm.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/melbourne-pm/attachments/20040114/64d97416/attachment.htm From gustaf at cmetech.com.au Fri Jan 16 00:08:16 2004 From: gustaf at cmetech.com.au (gU5t4F) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:13 2004 Subject: module namespaces on CPAN... Message-ID: <20040116060816.GA1226@cmetech.com.au> Hiya all, i wish to upload a bunch of modules to cpan, but in light of the notes they have for contributors i am wondering (/and/ talking) about namespace before i do anything silly ;) the modules i initally have to upload are a bunch of modules for remote computer control of Uniden radio frequency scanners. Now there seems to only be one module relating to Ham radio on CPAN currently and that is Audio::Radio::V4L which does some very basic stuff for RF receiver control via /dev/radio. now i have several problems with the namespace chosen by the author of that module... i) the "Audio" top level. While this is where the author's headspace is (he has contributed a whole bunch of other modules to CPAN - all dealing with streaming [audio] radio over the internet), whereas primarily i am interested in radio frequency as the transport for transmission of data comms. "Audio" does not sit comfortably with this and 'gives the wrong impression' by my way of thinking. ii) the "V4L" part. The guidelines on CPAN suggest that no short names should be used unless they are /really/ familiar terms. I do not consider "V4L" (which incidently stands for Video4Linux) to be in the really familiar category. anyway, locally (on my workstation at the lab) i have been doing development with the following simple namespace: Uniden Uniden::UBC780XLT Uniden::UBC785D . . . Uniden::PRO2052 this structure is important in that i have all the Uniden scanner protocol stuff implemented in Uniden.pm and then a .pm for each model of scanner that implements model-specific stuff and uses overloading to specify the feature set a particular model is capable of. This works really well, but... what about namespace on CPAN? At some point i would like to see if i can genericize what i have written to make it useful for other RF receiver hardware (such as ICOM and Yaesu comms receivers), but there will always be a heavy amount of proprietry stuff as that is the nature of the protocols used by the hardware manufacturuers (and hence the real need to have a "Uniden" namespace). To put this stuff on CPAN there needs to be higher levels of namespace defined. Ideally something like: RF::Scanner::Uniden::UBC780XLT but we run into the 2-letter issue. Also "Scanner" could probably be somewhat more generic so perhaps... Radio::Receiver::Uniden::UBC780XLT which i think is fine, although perhaps.. Ham::Receiver::Uniden::UBC780XLT "Ham" is good as there is no confusion about what context of "radio" we are dealing with. Debian uses "hamradio" for namespace of similar software in their packaging system :) HamRadio::Receiver::Uniden::UBC780XLT down the track i would want to upload a bunch of modules for encoding and decoding computer generated radio transmissions (perhaps HamRadio::Codes or HamRadio::Code::Baudot etc) and probably some general libraries for calculating radio-related stuff (HamRadio::Math? HamRadio::Calc?) and so on. I guess at some point (after i get my amateur radio licence) i might even get into the Tx side of the hobby and end up with a bunch of HamRadio::Transceiver::* modules If i follow the namespace already defined on CPAN my modules would end up like this: Audio::Radio::Uniden Audio::Radio::Uniden::UBC780XLT (etc.) which i really don't like. There is no differentiation between receivers and tranceivers and there is that irritating "Audio" out the front, oh, and the context of "Radio" is not clear. *sigh* so what do i do now? Is it too late to change the namespace on CPAN? What is the best way for me to present my case and who do i present it to? L8rz, Foobard - Jester from the Court of Chaos From simon at unisolve.com.au Fri Jan 16 00:27:49 2004 From: simon at unisolve.com.au (Simon Taylor) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: module namespaces on CPAN... In-Reply-To: <20040116060816.GA1226@cmetech.com.au> References: <20040116060816.GA1226@cmetech.com.au> Message-ID: <200401161727.49644.simon@unisolve.com.au> Hi Gustaf, > so what do i do now? Is it too late to change the namespace on CPAN? > What is the best way for me to present my case and who do i present it > to? Send an email to modules@perl.org, and the people who read it will be very helpful, particularly if you make your case as well as you have done just now. Alternatively, I've used the comp.lang.perl.modules newsgroup to ask these kind of questions before. Good luck, Simon Taylor -- Unisolve Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia +61 3 9568 2005 From stas at stason.org Fri Jan 16 02:34:05 2004 From: stas at stason.org (Stas Bekman) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: module namespaces on CPAN... In-Reply-To: <200401161727.49644.simon@unisolve.com.au> References: <20040116060816.GA1226@cmetech.com.au> <200401161727.49644.simon@unisolve.com.au> Message-ID: <4007A1FD.1080905@stason.org> Simon Taylor wrote: > Hi Gustaf, > > >>so what do i do now? Is it too late to change the namespace on CPAN? >>What is the best way for me to present my case and who do i present it >>to? > > > Send an email to modules@perl.org, and the people who read it will be very > helpful, particularly if you make your case as well as you have done just > now. > > Alternatively, I've used the comp.lang.perl.modules newsgroup to ask > these kind of questions before. Actually it's a better idea to send this email to module-authors@perl.org, instead of modules@perl.org. The latter has very little human resources and used only for officially approving the namespaces. Most discussions happen at the module-authors list. It's a very active list with many contributors. __________________________________________________________________ Stas Bekman JAm_pH ------> Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide ---> http://perl.apache.org mailto:stas@stason.org http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com From dsdsgh_ghghgh at yahoo.com.br Sat Jan 17 22:10:22 2004 From: dsdsgh_ghghgh at yahoo.com.br (dsdsgh_ghghgh) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: CLINICA DO PENIS AUMENTE SEU PENIS EM ATE 7cm Message-ID: <20040118001537.0842348CE8@mail1.panix.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative From lvnxnubs at nesxakheubp.everymakeup.info Tue Jan 20 02:05:22 2004 From: lvnxnubs at nesxakheubp.everymakeup.info (Doix Yk) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: Can Modern Miracle Take Years Off Your Age? ..please forward In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/melbourne-pm/attachments/20040120/8d307a95/attachment.htm From pjf at perltraining.com.au Tue Jan 20 20:27:18 2004 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: YAPC::AU Inc? Message-ID: <20040121022718.GB12776@perltraining.com.au> G'day everyone, As many of you may know, we're looking at organising a YAPC::AU (YAPC = Yet Another Perl Conference) conference for late this year. There's a number of exciting news snippets in this regard, and Scotty's been doing a sterling job in chasing down speakers and getting things moving. I'm hoping there'll be an announcement and mailing list soon for those who are interested. A few collective memories seem to remember one helpful Melb.PM member who offered to do the legwork for creating a legal entity for YAPC::AU, which is important for the purposes of moving money about and having an entity that can legally enter into contracts. Unfortunately, I have no idea who that person was. If you're still about, please speak up, we'd love to hear from you. All the very best, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From scottp at dd.com.au Tue Jan 20 23:06:47 2004 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: YAPC::AU Inc? In-Reply-To: <20040121022718.GB12776@perltraining.com.au> References: <20040121022718.GB12776@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: <9D32CF88-4BCF-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 OK :-) Some small bits of news... * Conference will most likely be held at Monash Uni (one campus or another) * Conference is likely to be held in the last week of November (tied with location above) * http://www.yapc.org/Australia - will be set this week (later it will be redirect to below) * http://yapc.conf.au/ - will be setup as soon as the domain has been delegated * http://???/ - conf is temporary, so I am going to setup something more permanent * Damian Conway has agreed in Principle to do a KeyNote and talk(s) * Some other community bods have been approached re: talks etc * I setup a bit of a buzz about the conference at Linux Conf last week. Finally - we are looking at broadening the conference a little and inviting other open source programming groups to be involved in separate streams / mini conferences (eg: Python, PHP, Postgres, MySQL, Open Office Programming, Zope, and even Java to name just some in the field). If you know anyone whom is interested in taking hold and running with one of these, can you pass on my contact details. Thanks Scott On 21/01/2004, at 1:27 PM, Paul Fenwick wrote: > G'day everyone, > > As many of you may know, we're looking at organising a YAPC::AU > (YAPC = Yet Another Perl Conference) conference for late this year. > There's a number of exciting news snippets in this regard, and Scotty's > been doing a sterling job in chasing down speakers and getting things > moving. I'm hoping there'll be an announcement and mailing list soon > for those who are interested. > > A few collective memories seem to remember one helpful > Melb.PM member who offered to do the legwork for creating a > legal entity for YAPC::AU, which is important for the purposes of > moving money about and having an entity that can legally enter > into contracts. Unfortunately, I have no idea who that person > was. If you're still about, please speak up, we'd love to hear > from you. > > All the very best, > > Paul > > -- > Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ > Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 > Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 > > > - -- Scott Penrose Welcome to the Digital Dimension http://www.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: Contents of this mail and signature are bound to change randomly. Whilst every attempt has been made to control said randomness, the author wishes to remain blameless for the number of eggs that damn chicken laid. Oh and I don't want to hear about butterflies either. Please do not send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFADgjrDCFCcmAm26YRAg/xAKCrsXR/PF6VCybbJZ1klq/2W0SqEACfSqwL zydNoCWHdTh+E/Dqg3fa+YM= =kiye -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au Wed Jan 21 01:11:19 2004 From: leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au (leif.eriksen@hpa.com.au) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: YAPC::AU::Bruce.pm In-Reply-To: <9D32CF88-4BCF-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> References: <20040121022718.GB12776@perltraining.com.au> <9D32CF88-4BCF-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Message-ID: <400E2617.2070101@hpa.com.au> I remember us brainstorming activities etc on butcher paper, and the topic of participants writing a YAPC::Bruce.pm module that did 'something useful'(tm). Given the success (and cool prize) at the Linux conf for the hacking competition, perhaps a topic to challenge the code-monkeys is appropriate ... any opinions ? For my 2 cents worth, I'd really like to see something like PureCoverage, a really nice tool that provided metrics on how much of your code has actually been exercised by your test harness (your what...). PureCoverage was originally written by PureAtria, who were bought by Rational - who were bought by IBM ... I've searched CPAN, and there are some pretty incomplete attempts - so it appear to be a non-trivial problem. -- Leif Eriksen Senior Analyst/Programmer HPA Direct: +61 3 9217 5545 Fax : +61 3 9217 5702 http://www.hpa.com.au/ ********************************************************************** IMPORTANT The contents of this e-mail and its attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the HPA Postmaster, postmaster@hpa.com.au, then delete the e-mail. This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses by MimeSweeper. Before opening or using any attachments, check them for viruses and defects. Our liability is limited to resupplying any affected attachments. HPA collects personal information to provide and market our services. For more information about use, disclosure and access see our Privacy Policy at www.hpa.com.au ********************************************************************** From scottp at dd.com.au Wed Jan 21 15:31:39 2004 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: YAPC::AU::Bruce.pm In-Reply-To: <400E2617.2070101@hpa.com.au> References: <20040121022718.GB12776@perltraining.com.au> <9D32CF88-4BCF-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> <400E2617.2070101@hpa.com.au> Message-ID: <32DF6954-4C59-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I love the idea of doing a competition and organising a prize from someone. It worked great at Linux Conf (although I doubt IBM will give Perl a $40,000 IBM !!!). I think however that the task needs to be a little closer to achievable. The competition in Linux Conf was only an AI for a 3D Tetris game - not a HUGE bit of code, but still a challenge. A Pure Coverage solution would be the holy grail but probably not a fair test for a small prize ? Maybe the domain can remain the same but the solution simplified ? Scott On 21/01/2004, at 6:11 PM, leif.eriksen@hpa.com.au wrote: > I remember us brainstorming activities etc on butcher paper, and the > topic of participants writing a YAPC::Bruce.pm module that did > 'something useful'(tm). Given the success (and cool prize) at the > Linux conf for the hacking competition, perhaps a topic to challenge > the code-monkeys is appropriate ... any opinions ? > > For my 2 cents worth, I'd really like to see something like > PureCoverage, a really nice tool that provided metrics on how much of > your code has actually been exercised by your test harness (your > what...). PureCoverage was originally written by PureAtria, who were > bought by Rational - who were bought by IBM ... > > I've searched CPAN, and there are some pretty incomplete attempts - so > it appear to be a non-trivial problem. > > -- > Leif Eriksen > Senior Analyst/Programmer > > HPA > Direct: +61 3 9217 5545 > Fax : +61 3 9217 5702 > > http://www.hpa.com.au/ > > > > > ********************************************************************** > IMPORTANT > The contents of this e-mail and its attachments are confidential and > intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify > the HPA Postmaster, postmaster@hpa.com.au, then delete the e-mail. > > This footnote also confirms that this e-mail message has been swept for > the presence of computer viruses by MimeSweeper. 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See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFADu+/DCFCcmAm26YRAlFhAKCIJNTynBlB9mIS8J3yjL92rVwMzgCgn8G2 2w2rNqyesLXa0Jo4n7nS+Q0= =xjim -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From stas at stason.org Wed Jan 21 19:42:47 2004 From: stas at stason.org (Stas Bekman) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: YAPC::AU::Bruce.pm In-Reply-To: <32DF6954-4C59-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> References: <20040121022718.GB12776@perltraining.com.au> <9D32CF88-4BCF-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> <400E2617.2070101@hpa.com.au> <32DF6954-4C59-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Message-ID: <400F2A97.7000403@stason.org> Scott Penrose wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > I love the idea of doing a competition and organising a prize from > someone. It worked great at Linux Conf (although I doubt IBM will give > Perl a $40,000 IBM !!!). > > I think however that the task needs to be a little closer to achievable. > The competition in Linux Conf was only an AI for a 3D Tetris game - not > a HUGE bit of code, but still a challenge. > > A Pure Coverage solution would be the holy grail but probably not a fair > test for a small prize ? > > Maybe the domain can remain the same but the solution simplified ? How about putting the challenge into a good cause. Make people compete at closing perl/CPAN modules bugs (RT's). A person who closes the most amount of bugs wins. The committee could choose a pool of bugs to choose from (picking interesting bugs and probably giving each a different weight to be fair.) I guess the only hard part is for the jury to verify that the bug was actually resolved. Just an idea ;) __________________________________________________________________ Stas Bekman JAm_pH ------> Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide ---> http://perl.apache.org mailto:stas@stason.org http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com From scottp at dd.com.au Wed Jan 21 20:21:09 2004 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: YAPC::AU::Bruce.pm In-Reply-To: <400F2A97.7000403@stason.org> References: <20040121022718.GB12776@perltraining.com.au> <9D32CF88-4BCF-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> <400E2617.2070101@hpa.com.au> <32DF6954-4C59-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> <400F2A97.7000403@stason.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Not a bad one, and we could add to that points for actually getting it in / patched / and on CPAN - which is hard for some people etc. So therefore it would be a test not just of coding, but also of community :-) Scott On 22/01/2004, at 12:42 PM, Stas Bekman wrote: > Scott Penrose wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> I love the idea of doing a competition and organising a prize from >> someone. It worked great at Linux Conf (although I doubt IBM will >> give Perl a $40,000 IBM !!!). >> I think however that the task needs to be a little closer to >> achievable. The competition in Linux Conf was only an AI for a 3D >> Tetris game - not a HUGE bit of code, but still a challenge. >> A Pure Coverage solution would be the holy grail but probably not a >> fair test for a small prize ? >> Maybe the domain can remain the same but the solution simplified ? > > How about putting the challenge into a good cause. Make people compete > at closing perl/CPAN modules bugs (RT's). A person who closes the most > amount of bugs wins. The committee could choose a pool of bugs to > choose from (picking interesting bugs and probably giving each a > different weight to be fair.) > > I guess the only hard part is for the jury to verify that the bug was > actually resolved. Just an idea ;) > > __________________________________________________________________ > Stas Bekman JAm_pH ------> Just Another mod_perl Hacker > http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide ---> http://perl.apache.org > mailto:stas@stason.org http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com > http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com > > > > - -- Scott Penrose VP in charge of Pancakes http://linux.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: If you receive this email in error - please eat it immediately to prevent it from falling into the wrong hands. Please do not send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFADzOYDCFCcmAm26YRAhHhAJ48yUEHVx3JtMnZAxDmTHUIm+54UwCfd4O7 rkxpZwJEq/waOZG2YA/17eo= =332q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From stas at stason.org Wed Jan 21 22:17:49 2004 From: stas at stason.org (Stas Bekman) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: YAPC::AU::Bruce.pm In-Reply-To: References: <20040121022718.GB12776@perltraining.com.au> <9D32CF88-4BCF-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> <400E2617.2070101@hpa.com.au> <32DF6954-4C59-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> <400F2A97.7000403@stason.org> Message-ID: <400F4EED.1040700@stason.org> Another similar idea is to write tests suites and expand existing ones for CPAN modules (probably popular ones). All participants win here as they get to learn how to write tests and may be even learn some new modules. The best outcome from bug closing/test writing challenge is not the immediate benefit, but a possibility that some people will continue contibuting tests and bug fixes, long after the challenge is over. __________________________________________________________________ Stas Bekman JAm_pH ------> Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide ---> http://perl.apache.org mailto:stas@stason.org http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com From scottp at dd.com.au Thu Jan 22 04:14:25 2004 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: YAPC::AU::Bruce.pm In-Reply-To: <400F4EED.1040700@stason.org> References: <20040121022718.GB12776@perltraining.com.au> <9D32CF88-4BCF-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> <400E2617.2070101@hpa.com.au> <32DF6954-4C59-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> <400F2A97.7000403@stason.org> <400F4EED.1040700@stason.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 It is going to be tricky to encourage and even harder to judge, but I absolutely love the idea of this - real contribution and encouragement back in the community and a prize :-) BTW. We are thinking moving the conference to early December to cope with U.S. Thanks Giving and therefore increase our chances of getting along Dan and Larry :-) - do you think you will be available / back in Aus then (are you already). Scott On 22/01/2004, at 3:17 PM, Stas Bekman wrote: > Another similar idea is to write tests suites and expand existing ones > for CPAN modules (probably popular ones). All participants win here as > they get to learn how to write tests and may be even learn some new > modules. > > The best outcome from bug closing/test writing challenge is not the > immediate benefit, but a possibility that some people will continue > contibuting tests and bug fixes, long after the challenge is over. > > __________________________________________________________________ > Stas Bekman JAm_pH ------> Just Another mod_perl Hacker > http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide ---> http://perl.apache.org > mailto:stas@stason.org http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com > http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com > > > > - -- Scott Penrose Open source developer http://linux.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: Open sauce usually ends up never coming out (of the bottle). Please do not send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) iD8DBQFAD6KCDCFCcmAm26YRAgUMAJ9zsECJp061gdtvt+00/EUSBUqciACfRRvt l/suIXf9e9mCc64dm4XckJA= =mc2b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From XeaCxpUrrrr at depelicula.com Thu Jan 22 13:57:50 2004 From: XeaCxpUrrrr at depelicula.com (XeaCxpUrrrr@depelicula.com) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: info Message-ID: <20040122195749.37ED29842F@mail3.panix.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 2064 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/melbourne-pm/attachments/20040122/47c11178/attachment.gif -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 133 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/melbourne-pm/attachments/20040122/47c11178/attachment-0001.gif From leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au Thu Jan 22 17:42:33 2004 From: leif.eriksen at hpa.com.au (leif.eriksen@hpa.com.au) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: YAPC::AU::Bruce.pm In-Reply-To: References: <20040121022718.GB12776@perltraining.com.au> <9D32CF88-4BCF-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> <400E2617.2070101@hpa.com.au> <32DF6954-4C59-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> <400F2A97.7000403@stason.org> <400F4EED.1040700@stason.org> Message-ID: <40105FE9.2060605@hpa.com.au> I also like the idea, but perhaps we need to use a peer vote rather than judge it. Here's an example, and I am NOT casting aspertions on Stas at all, I know he is an upstanding man. Say that Stas enters the hacking competition, and fixes a zillion mod_perl related bugs, and writes test cases for all of them for regression purposes. He has met the requirements of contribution and improvement, but his special knowledge gives him an unfair advantage, as it would anyone who use's/extends a particular module all the time. So a peer vote would possibly reconcile various advantages/disadvantages - those recognised by there peers as having 'achieved and contributed' the most. Leif Scott Penrose wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > It is going to be tricky to encourage and even harder to judge, but I > absolutely love the idea of this - real contribution and encouragement > back in the community and a prize :-) > > BTW. We are thinking moving the conference to early December to cope > with U.S. Thanks Giving and therefore increase our chances of getting > along Dan and Larry :-) - do you think you will be available / back in > Aus then (are you already). > > Scott > > On 22/01/2004, at 3:17 PM, Stas Bekman wrote: > >> Another similar idea is to write tests suites and expand existing >> ones for CPAN modules (probably popular ones). All participants win >> here as they get to learn how to write tests and may be even learn >> some new modules. >> >> The best outcome from bug closing/test writing challenge is not the >> immediate benefit, but a possibility that some people will continue >> contibuting tests and bug fixes, long after the challenge is over. >> >> __________________________________________________________________ >> Stas Bekman JAm_pH ------> Just Another mod_perl Hacker >> http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide ---> http://perl.apache.org >> mailto:stas@stason.org http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com >> http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com >> >> >> >> > - -- Scott Penrose > Open source developer > http://linux.dd.com.au/ > scottp@dd.com.au > > Dismaimer: Open sauce usually ends up never coming out (of the bottle). > > Please do not send me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (Darwin) > > iD8DBQFAD6KCDCFCcmAm26YRAgUMAJ9zsECJp061gdtvt+00/EUSBUqciACfRRvt > l/suIXf9e9mCc64dm4XckJA= > =mc2b > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > -- Leif Eriksen Senior Analyst/Programmer HPA Direct: +61 3 9217 5545 Fax : +61 3 9217 5702 http://www.hpa.com.au/ ********************************************************************** IMPORTANT The contents of this e-mail and its attachments are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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For more information about use, disclosure and access see our Privacy Policy at www.hpa.com.au ********************************************************************** From stas at stason.org Thu Jan 22 18:29:51 2004 From: stas at stason.org (Stas Bekman) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: YAPC::AU::Bruce.pm In-Reply-To: <40105FE9.2060605@hpa.com.au> References: <20040121022718.GB12776@perltraining.com.au> <9D32CF88-4BCF-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> <400E2617.2070101@hpa.com.au> <32DF6954-4C59-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> <400F2A97.7000403@stason.org> <400F4EED.1040700@stason.org> <40105FE9.2060605@hpa.com.au> Message-ID: <40106AFF.1020501@stason.org> leif.eriksen@hpa.com.au wrote: > I also like the idea, but perhaps we need to use a peer vote rather than > judge it. > > Here's an example, and I am NOT casting aspertions on Stas at all, I > know he is an upstanding man. > > Say that Stas enters the hacking competition, and fixes a zillion > mod_perl related bugs, and writes test cases for all of them for > regression purposes. He has met the requirements of contribution and > improvement, but his special knowledge gives him an unfair advantage, as > it would anyone who use's/extends a particular module all the time. > > So a peer vote would possibly reconcile various advantages/disadvantages > - those recognised by there peers as having 'achieved and contributed' > the most. It won't be an issue if we agree that the prize (if it is monetary) will go the perl foundation ;). But I guess it't not the best incentive then. The idea is to come up with a scheme that will make everybody want to compete (and contribute) because of and not because of the material prize. __________________________________________________________________ Stas Bekman JAm_pH ------> Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide ---> http://perl.apache.org mailto:stas@stason.org http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com From stas at stason.org Thu Jan 22 18:35:00 2004 From: stas at stason.org (Stas Bekman) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: YAPC::AU::Bruce.pm In-Reply-To: References: <20040121022718.GB12776@perltraining.com.au> <9D32CF88-4BCF-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> <400E2617.2070101@hpa.com.au> <32DF6954-4C59-11D8-8726-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> <400F2A97.7000403@stason.org> <400F4EED.1040700@stason.org> Message-ID: <40106C34.9060703@stason.org> Scott Penrose wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > It is going to be tricky to encourage and even harder to judge, but I > absolutely love the idea of this - real contribution and encouragement > back in the community and a prize :-) That's where someone who is good at human manipulation skills should kick in ;) > BTW. We are thinking moving the conference to early December to cope > with U.S. Thanks Giving and therefore increase our chances of getting > along Dan and Larry :-) - do you think you will be available / back in > Aus then (are you already). No. I'm not in AU. I'm still looking for someone to sponsor my employment pass in Australia. Since I already have a full time job (developing modperl 2) till next Nov, I'm looking for a part time job to reserve me a work permit. As I come to realize this is not simple at all. It'd be so much easier if I needed a full-time job. If I'm around when the conference time comes certainly count me in. But at the moment I know very little about what's going to happen in 10 months. __________________________________________________________________ Stas Bekman JAm_pH ------> Just Another mod_perl Hacker http://stason.org/ mod_perl Guide ---> http://perl.apache.org mailto:stas@stason.org http://use.perl.org http://apacheweek.com http://modperlbook.org http://apache.org http://ticketmaster.com From ajsavige at yahoo.com.au Thu Jan 22 22:02:32 2004 From: ajsavige at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Andrew=20Savige?=) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: YAPC::AU::Bruce.pm In-Reply-To: <400E2617.2070101@hpa.com.au> Message-ID: <20040123040232.19311.qmail@web10908.mail.yahoo.com> leif.eriksen@hpa.com.au wrote: > For my 2 cents worth, I'd really like to see something like > PureCoverage, a really nice tool that provided metrics on how much of > your code has actually been exercised by your test harness (your > what...). PureCoverage was originally written by PureAtria, who were > bought by Rational - who were bought by IBM ... > > I've searched CPAN, and there are some pretty incomplete attempts - so > it appear to be a non-trivial problem. Which ones did you look at? Paul Johnson's: http://search.cpan.org/dist/Devel-Cover/ is definitely worth a look. He gave a talk on it at YAPC::Europe 2003: http://yapc.mongueurs.net/yapc/talk/?tid=57 It still being very actively developed (there's been quite a lot of discussion about it lately on the perl-qa mailing list). /-\ http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. From Long_Mahlon at usa.net Fri Jan 23 16:31:10 2004 From: Long_Mahlon at usa.net (FDIC) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: Important News About Your Bank Account Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative From NAIAuspost04 at auspost.com.au Fri Jan 23 12:32:43 2004 From: NAIAuspost04 at auspost.com.au (GroupShield for Exchange (04)) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: ALERT - GroupShield ticket number OB0_1074882763_EXSMEL04_1 was ge nerated Message-ID: An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "GroupShield for Exchange (04)" Subject: ALERT - GroupShield ticket number OB0_1074882763_EXSMEL04_1 was generated Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 05:32:43 +1100 Size: 4278 Url: http://mail.pm.org/archives/melbourne-pm/attachments/20040124/69db1f20/originalmail.eml -------------- next part -------------- Australia Post is committed to providing our customers with excellent service. If we can assist you in any way please telephone 13 13 18 or visit our website www.auspost.com.au. CAUTION This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are privileged and confidential information intended for the use of the addressee. The confidentiality and/or privilege in this e-mail is not waived, lost or destroyed if it has been transmitted to you in error. If you have received this e-mail in error you must (a) not disseminate, copy or take any action in reliance on it; (b) please notify Australia Post immediately by return e-mail to the sender; and (c) please delete the original e-mail. From ajsavige at yahoo.com.au Fri Jan 23 18:50:21 2004 From: ajsavige at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Andrew=20Savige?=) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: YAPC::AU::Bruce.pm In-Reply-To: <400E2617.2070101@hpa.com.au> Message-ID: <20040124005021.2295.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com> leif.eriksen@hpa.com.au wrote: > I remember us brainstorming activities etc on butcher paper, and the > topic of participants writing a YAPC::Bruce.pm module that did > 'something useful'(tm). Given the success (and cool prize) at the Linux > conf for the hacking competition, perhaps a topic to challenge the > code-monkeys is appropriate ... any opinions ? I like the idea of a Bruce.pm for serious programmers. Of course, the judging would be somewhat subjective. If you want a competition with more objective judging criteria, you could provide a test program, built with Ton Hospel's excellent golf test harness, say: http://www.xs4all.nl/~thospel/golf/gentest.pl The rules would be simply that any program that passes all tests in the test harness may be entered. Prizes may be awarded for the shortest entry (golf), fastest entry (100 metre dash), most unorthodox or amusing entry, etc. (I have found a test program to be essential for such competitions because there is too much room for ambiguity in a written description of a problem). In addition, a more light-hearted competition might be organised. I noticed this haiku one today (not open to Australians, unfortunately): http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=04/01/23/1134202&mode=thread&tid=22 cam.pm have organised some competitions which require you to fit a program that does something "interesting" into a provided shape, such as a beer glass or snowflake: http://cam.pm.org/projects_home.shtml For Sydney, we could use a Sydney Opera House shape or Harbour Bridge shape. But what is the shape of Melbourne? /-\ http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. From ajsavige at yahoo.com.au Sat Jan 24 21:13:47 2004 From: ajsavige at yahoo.com.au (=?iso-8859-1?q?Andrew=20Savige?=) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: YAPC::AU::Bruce.pm In-Reply-To: <20040124005021.2295.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040125031347.57480.qmail@web10910.mail.yahoo.com> > For Sydney, we could use a Sydney Opera House shape or Harbour > Bridge shape. But what is the shape of Melbourne? I just realised this shape may be suitable: http://search.cpan.org/src/ASAVIGE/Acme-EyeDrops-1.43/lib/Acme/EyeDrops/map_australia.eye Anyway, if you need a volunteer, I am happy to help organize any competition/s deemed appropriate by the YAPC::AU committee. /-\ http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. From rickm at isite.net.au Sun Jan 25 05:21:41 2004 From: rickm at isite.net.au (Rick Measham) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: YAPC::AU::Bruce.pm In-Reply-To: <20040124005021.2295.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040124005021.2295.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: At 11:50 am +1100 2004-01-24, Andrew Savige wrote: >If you want a competition with more objective judging criteria, >you could provide a test program, built with Ton Hospel's >excellent golf test harness, say: > http://www.xs4all.nl/~thospel/golf/gentest.pl >The rules would be simply that any program that passes all tests >in the test harness may be entered. Prizes may be awarded for the >shortest entry (golf), fastest entry (100 metre dash), most >unorthodox or amusing entry, etc. (I have found a test program to >be essential for such competitions because there is too much room >for ambiguity in a written description of a problem). This sounds good .. also feels a little 'Australian' in that orthodoxy is not required. All we want is something that passes a given (published) test. So to win you must: 1. Understand the test. 2. Write something that outputs the expected result. The unorthodoxy of this non-complicated test comes from the fact that the test might have a section: is( pythagoras(3, 4), 5); But the code could contains: sub pythagoras { 5 } Which would work. The fun for the 'unorthodox' entry would be that the test would actually contain is( pythagoras(3, 4), 5); is( pythagoras(7, 9), sqrt(130) ); which make the 'cheating/unorthodox' entry all the harder. Cheers! 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From dssdsgh_ghghgh at yahoo.com.br Mon Jan 26 18:22:49 2004 From: dssdsgh_ghghgh at yahoo.com.br (dssdsgh_ghghgh) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: CLINICA DO PENIS Message-ID: <20040126202656.1AC459847C@mail3.panix.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/melbourne-pm/attachments/20040126/fb76249d/attachment.htm From noc at above.net Thu Jan 29 14:30:32 2004 From: noc at above.net (Dark Profits) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: Thank you for your order. Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative From plat at ripn.net Fri Jan 30 05:04:33 2004 From: plat at ripn.net (CVV.RU) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: Need to host child porn, illegal content, Spam advert site? Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative From wayland at smartchat.net.au Fri Jan 30 05:18:51 2004 From: wayland at smartchat.net.au (Timothy S. Nelson) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:03:14 2004 Subject: YAPC::AU::Bruce.pm In-Reply-To: <20040124005021.2295.qmail@web10905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 24 Jan 2004, Andrew Savige wrote: > For Sydney, we could use a Sydney Opera House shape or Harbour > Bridge shape. But what is the shape of Melbourne? I just hope it isn't Federation Square :). West Gate Bridge? Or you could call it Victoria and use the Great Ocean Road :). :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Name: Tim Nelson | Because the Creator is, | | E-mail: wayland@smartchat.net.au | I am | --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK---- Version 3.12 GCS d+ s:- a- C++>++++$ U++ P++ L++ E- W+++ N+ w>--- V- Y+>++ PGP->++ R !tv b++ DI++++ D+ G e++>++++ h! y- -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK-----