From bill.penrose at csdd.nec.com.au Tue Apr 1 21:58:18 2003 From: bill.penrose at csdd.nec.com.au (Bill Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:53 2004 Subject: perl used in large developments - I need help In-Reply-To: <200303201050.08093.simon@unisolve.com.au> Message-ID: <004d01c2f8cc$181e9730$60834c93@bpenrose> Simon I saw some discussion on Per or not to perl last month and though you may be interested in the comment below. It comes from Bruce Eckel http://www.mindview.net in his artice http://www.mindview.net/WebLog Dated 3-23-03 Regards Bill Penrose Yesterday's entry has me thinking (again) about the issue of hurdles - any obstacle, especially small ones, that causes resistance to doing something. I'm convinced that these hurdles are cumulative. I took a workshop once called "Kaizen" which is supposed to be a Japanese word meaning "small steps" or something like that. The teacher began by showing experiments with a stuffed cheetah and chimpanzees in Africa. If the cheetah jumped out, then the chimpanzees panicked and ran away, but if the cheetah was moved very slowly into the environment, the chimpanzees didn't notice it. The teacher related this to the primitive part of our own minds, so that if you tried to make any big changes ("I'll go on a radical diet and exercise program starting tomorrow") then your mind panics at the enormity of the change and find some way to avoid that change. His solution was to introduce changes very subtly, like the slow-moving cheetah. You might say "I'll floss once a month" and your brain says: "Not a problem. I won't even notice a change like that." Or you might try to meditate one minute a day, such a short time that it will have very little apparent impact on your schedule. A popular new exercise book advocates "8 minutes in the morning," an amount that would be hard to argue against. I think features in programming languages or computer programs in general must be treated the same way. It's nearly effortless for an expert in a language or program to acquire and use a new feature, but for the vast majority of people the number of steps required make it prohibitive, and you get a big disparity - the expert says "it's easy" and doesn't understand why everyone isn't doing it, while the unwashed masses puzzle over how they might even approach the issue. As much experience as I've had with computers, I find myself resisting hurdles, especially ones that accumulate. The weblogging situation is one example; to use the slashdot version requires a certain level of expertise and the number of options and settings is rather large and mysterious. That sets up a level of resistance in my brain to doing it, whereas with this system (A Zope STX page) I can just type. I think programming languages are more subtle, because they are all about learning a body of knowledge. You "just learn it and apply it." Again and again I've heard people talk about how easy it is to do something in a language, and because they are convinced of this they are unable to see the small hurdles that accumulate to eventually create a roadblock that prevents accomplishing something with that language. Perl is a perfect example of this - when I first encountered that language, I had a love affair that lasted about 2 months. I think primarily this was because of the interactive nature, but also because of the terseness - you don't have to type much to get something done. The bottom line is that you can get a lot done in a short time, and to me that's what computers should be about. However, Perl's arcane syntax made programs hard to read and maintain, and as a result limited the scope of what you can accomplish with the language to relatively small programs (I have heard numerous testimonials of significant failures when trying to use Perl for larger projects). For me, the wall came when I tried to use references and classes; these had clearly been hacked on with no thought to usability and I think a major reason for the popularity of Ruby is that it servers Perl programmers who couldn't do anything with objects and references in Perl. Further observations and conversations about Ruby have not convinced me to spend more time with it; I think it might be a path of least resistance for Perl programmers who want objects, but I'm still convinced that Python is the best path for me. -----Original Message----- From: owner-melbourne-pm@pm.org [mailto:owner-melbourne-pm@pm.org] On Behalf Of Simon Taylor Sent: Thursday, 20 March 2003 10:50 AM To: Melbourne Perl Mongers Subject: perl used in large developments - I need help Hello fellow perl mongers, Our company has had a very interesting challenge given to us today. We have been involved in tendering for a project to rewrite a large US ERP application (currently written in FORTRAN and using c-isam data files). We lost the tender in January to a company that has since recommended java (or c#) as the language of choice, and has also recommended rewriting the application from scratch. Our competing tender was based naturally, on perl, and on rewriting the application incrementally. The winning tenderer's solution has now been dismissed as too expensive and we are being asked to show why our solution should now be chosen. There are no others tenderers involved. (If we win the project, we would do only a portion of the coding ourselves, other firms would be involved, and would be using perl because our design mandates it). All the application-specific arguments aside, it is coming down to: * Why on earth are you recommending perl? * Nobody knows perl, * Everybody develops large scale apps in java, etc, etc. * perl's too slow isn't it? and incredibly, * who supports perl What I desperately need now is pointers to good quality descriptions of larger applications developed in perl. I have good examples in Fastmail.fm and Radiator, but I'm also keen to be able to table other applications, the larger the better. We know that lots of organisations around the world "use perl" in powerful ways, but the same sites "use electricity" as well, and just as with electricity, their uses of perl are transparent to the outside world, and hard to identify. This is an 800,000 line application used by Fortune 500 companies in the US, it would be quite a win for the perl development community. Regards, Simon Taylor -- Unisolve Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia +61 3 9568 2005 From emily.feher at its.monash.edu.au Wed Apr 2 18:34:22 2003 From: emily.feher at its.monash.edu.au (Emily Feher) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:53 2004 Subject: casual job opportunity at Monash Uni Message-ID: <3E8B818E.D7994C35@its.monash.edu.au> Melbourne Perl Mongers, We have some casual work for experienced perl hackers, pay commensurate with skill. Work is on Monash's enterprise information portal (http://my.monash.edu/, see http://monash.edu/portal/) and on web-based corporate applications. Applicants should mail their application (CV, covering letter and three referees) to: flt-jobs@its.monash.edu *and* fill in the questionnaire at: http://monash.edu/portal/interview.html thanks! -- Emily Feher Manager - Client Relations Flexible Learning and Teaching Program Applications Services Information Technology Services Division Monash University ph (03) 9905 3914 fx (03) 9905 3024 From wayland at smartchat.net.au Sat Apr 5 04:58:29 2003 From: wayland at smartchat.net.au (Timothy S. Nelson) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:53 2004 Subject: Check out CPAN today In-Reply-To: <20030401045252.GN6830@vanilla.office.cyber.com.au> Message-ID: On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Jens Porup wrote: > > If you haven't seen cpan.org today, do so now... or should > I say Matt's Script Archive? I noticed that. But http://cpan.perl.com/ still works. Domain name poisoning :). --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Name: Tim Nelson | Because the Creator is, | | E-mail: wayland@smartchat.net.au | I am | --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK---- Version 3.12 GCS d+ s:- a- C++>++++$ U++ P++ L++ E- W+++ N+ w>--- V- Y+>++ PGP->++ R !tv b++ DI++++ D+ G e++>++++ h! y- -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- From scottp at dd.com.au Sun Apr 6 05:44:04 2003 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:53 2004 Subject: Melbourne.pm Meeting - Wednesday 9th of April 2003 - "Brent Chapman on Majordomo -> O'Reilly -> Covad and more" Message-ID: Welcome to April Melbourne.pm Agenda: * Welcome to Melbourne.pm * What's new in Perl 5 * 5 minute talk on new modules * Next hacking session * "Brent Chapman on Majordomo -> O'Reilly -> Covad and more" Main Talk: "Brent Chapman on Majordomo -> O'Reilly -> Covad and more" Brent Chapman is the writer of Majordomo - the most prolific list manager used on the internet. Brent will be talking to us about how he started with Majordomo as an excuse to learn Perl, which lead to hosing the Firewalls mailing list, which lead to publishing "Building Internet Firewalls" at O'Reilly which lead to becoming an IT manager in Sillicon Valley througout the internet boom. Brent will be talking about his experiences with perl and with his company (which went from 40 to 4000 people in 27 months), how he has used perl throughout and even for some of his MBA which he is completing here in Melbourne. Don't miss this very informative talk. Scott -- Scott Penrose Anthropomorphic Personification Expert http://search.cpan.org/search?author=SCOTT scott@cpan.org Dismaimer: While every attempt has been made to make sure that this email only contains zeros and ones, there has been no effort made to guarantee the quantity or the order. From scottp at dd.com.au Sun Apr 6 20:07:58 2003 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:53 2004 Subject: Melbourne.pm Meeting - Wednesday 9th of April 2003 - "Brent Chapman on Majordomo -> O'Reilly -> Covad and more" Message-ID: <5EE0D630-6895-11D7-82EB-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> (missed when and where - updated) Welcome to April Melbourne.pm Where: myinternet Level 8, myinternet House 14-20 Blackwood Street North Melbourne When: Wednesday the 9th of April 2003 - 6:30 pm Doors open from 6pm till 6:45pm Agenda: * Welcome to Melbourne.pm * What's new in Perl 5 * 5 minute talk on new modules * Next hacking session * "Brent Chapman on Majordomo -> O'Reilly -> Covad and more" Main Talk: "Brent Chapman on Majordomo -> O'Reilly -> Covad and more" Brent Chapman is the writer of Majordomo - the most prolific list manager used on the internet. Brent will be talking to us about how he started with Majordomo as an excuse to learn Perl, which lead to hosing the Firewalls mailing list, which lead to publishing "Building Internet Firewalls" at O'Reilly which lead to becoming an IT manager in Sillicon Valley througout the internet boom. Brent will be talking about his experiences with perl and with his company (which went from 40 to 4000 people in 27 months), how he has used perl throughout and even for some of his MBA which he is completing here in Melbourne. Don't miss this very informative talk. Scott -- Scott Penrose Anthropomorphic Personification Expert http://search.cpan.org/search?author=SCOTT scott@cpan.org Dismaimer: While every attempt has been made to make sure that this email only contains zeros and ones, there has been no effort made to guarantee the quantity or the order. 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Where: myinternet Level 8, myinternet House 14-20 Blackwood Street North Melbourne When: Wednesday the 14th of May 2003 - 6:30 pm Doors open from 6pm till 6:45pm Agenda: * Welcome to Melbourne.pm * What's new in Perl 5 * Beginners Talk - Introduction, Output and Expressions * 5 minute talk on new modules * Next hacking session * Main Talk: "A tour of ActiveState Perl & the PDK" Beginners Talk: Part 1, 2 + 3 - Introduction, Output and Expressions * Introduction * Basic Output (The "Hello World" program) * Expressions Main Talk: "A tour of ActiveState Perl & the PDK" by Graeme Cross This will be a whirlwind tour and demo of the Activestate (http://www.activestate.com/) Perl distribution for Windows and the Perl Development Kit, including: * the PPM packaging tool * perlapp, which builds standalone executables * their visual debugger * and a host of other tools for working with services, COM, MSI, the system tray, etc Scott - -- Scott Penrose Anthropomorphic Personification Expert http://search.cpan.org/search?author=SCOTT scott@cpan.org Dismaimer: While every attempt has been made to make sure that this email only contains zeros and ones, there has been no effort made to guarantee the quantity or the order. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (Darwin) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE+rQuCDCFCcmAm26YRAoVVAJ4hS0iExn8tP1AL3cFCdCbjjlbibgCeJA8A ThPiB6X+BwM/kLl2plPZtHc= =VwvG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From 236640 at bigfoot.com Tue Apr 29 10:11:56 2003 From: 236640 at bigfoot.com (236640@bigfoot.com) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:53 2004 Subject: Become More Sexually Active 236640 Message-ID: 2070118777@delphi.com An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That's impressive just in itself :-) Regards, Rob Rob Casey Business Manager, Senior IT Consultant Cowsnet Internet and Professional Services http://www.cowsnet.com.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3222 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/melbourne-pm/attachments/20030429/b2fac515/smime.bin From scottp at dd.com.au Tue Apr 29 17:37:42 2003 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:53 2004 Subject: Majordomo 2 and Spam Assassin Message-ID: <306AD0F3-7A93-11D7-A660-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey Dudes, the pm.org website is using Majordomo 1. After our recent talk I thought we should probably see if we can encourage pm.org to be upgraded to Majordomo 2 with all the benefits it has (better security, interfaces etc) and hook in things like Spam Assassin. Is this worth while ? Does anyone know how we could encourage this? Scott - -- Scott Penrose Anthropomorphic Personification Expert http://search.cpan.org/search?author=SCOTT scott@cpan.org Dismaimer: While every attempt has been made to make sure that this email only contains zeros and ones, there has been no effort made to guarantee the quantity or the order. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (Darwin) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE+rv65DCFCcmAm26YRAsI6AJ4liGYeW3OAd7ZL0gnns8jaMPQQ8gCgjepa hnzD1GSN3M7L5JvHxSCFtM4= =65am -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jh_lists at fastmail.fm Mon Apr 7 00:23:52 2003 From: jh_lists at fastmail.fm (Jeremy Howard) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:55 2004 Subject: PerlEZ? References: <3EDC26FC.8070006@StrategicData.com.au> <20030603045206.GE19862@mukc.org.au> <3EDC2D92.5090208@StrategicData.com.au> Message-ID: <004b01c2fcc5$ed021a10$1200a8c0@sammy> Yes, that was me. Here is a link to more information about creating Windows script components with Perl: http://aspn.activestate.com//ASPN/Products/ActivePerl/Windows/WindowsScriptComponents.html In particular, the "10 easy steps" section should be very useful. You will need the "Windows script component wizard". Information about getting and using this wizard is available at MSDN here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/script56/html/letusingwiz.asp I hope that this is what you were looking for. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Adam Clarke" To: "Paul Fenwick" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 3:09 PM Subject: Re: PerlEZ? > Paul Fenwick wrote: > > >One of the tools mentioned was the Perl Dev Kit from ActiveState, > >http://www.activestate.com/Products/Perl_Dev_Kit/ . > > > Ack However I should have said that I thought there was a open source / > free alternative mentioned that was kind of a wrapper for PerlEZ which > is in the basic ActiveState Perl distro (the freebie). > > >I don't remember much about PerlEZ, I'm afraid. Perhaps Graham > >can enlighten us? > > > > > PerlEZ is a method of embedding a perl interpreter under Windows. Some > of this may be the invention of my own optimism however. It may have > been Jeremy Howard who provided at least one of the comments that I > recalled. > > > > >