From scottp at dd.com.au Tue Jun 4 16:36:27 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Next Talk Message-ID: <201B1EDC-7803-11D6-99BF-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello :-) Well it seems like ages (to me anyway) since the last meeting, I think lots has gone on this month. I am looking for some volunteers for talking this month (next Wednesday). Topic can be anything to do with perl, and you don't have to be an experienced talker. I plan to do a few new modules I have been using recently. I am also going to give a brief update of last months LUV meeting, which was an XP session programming in Perl. All volunteers accepted with open arms. Scott - -- Scott Penrose VP in charge of Pancakes http://linux.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: If you receive this email in error - please eat it immediately to prevent it from falling into the wrong hands. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (Darwin) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8/TLgDCFCcmAm26YRAjoOAJ4zwTns8UBvmPdPa3OnR5n9VS8IfACfZzif 2Tf+Ai82DDlPTZde6IckKIY= =4BG9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From pjf at perltraining.com.au Thu Jun 6 18:00:53 2002 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Apocalypse 5 Message-ID: <20020607090053.A27955@mukc.org.au> G'day everyone, For those of you who haven't heard, Larry's recently released Apocalypse 5, which deals with how regular expressions will work in Perl 6. It's a mere 24 pages short, and can be found at: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/06/04/apo5.html All the best, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/melbourne-pm/attachments/20020607/06b20bd9/attachment.bin From damian at conway.org Thu Jun 6 18:42:51 2002 From: damian at conway.org (Damian Conway) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Apocalypse 5 References: <20020607090053.A27955@mukc.org.au> Message-ID: <3CFFF37B.C2D1A46B@conway.org> > For those of you who haven't heard, Larry's recently > released Apocalypse 5, which deals with how regular expressions > will work in Perl 6. It's a mere 24 pages short, and can be > found at: > > http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/06/04/apo5.html Or for those studly enough to quaff it all in one draft: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/06/04/apo5.html?page=all Damian From philip_sloss at cc.iitkgp.ernet.in Tue Jun 11 08:11:16 2002 From: philip_sloss at cc.iitkgp.ernet.in (I-Corporate News) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Do you make conference calls? Message-ID: <00002e26394f$0000548f$00005f29@inet.canon.co.za> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/melbourne-pm/attachments/20020610/63b56f06/attachment.htm From scottp at dd.com.au Tue Jun 11 01:55:45 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Perl Mongers Meeting, tomorrow night ! Message-ID: <40C0BE84-7D08-11D6-BC7A-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Hey Dudes The Melbourne Perl Mongers monthly meeting is on tomorrow night. Do you ever feel that things sneak up real fast :-) Anyway we wil be meeting at 6:30 with a fairly informal meeting: - Perl interface to WINE by Simon Taylor - Fastmail by Jeremy Howard Some Other Modules: - Net::SSH::Perl - Crypt::OpenPGP - HTTP::Webdav by Scott Penrose Followed by a discussion on the latest of Perl 6. Scott -- Scott Penrose VP in charge of Pancakes http://linux.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: If you receive this email in error - please eat it immediately to prevent it from falling into the wrong hands. From apopovici at keysys.ro Tue Jun 11 07:21:50 2002 From: apopovici at keysys.ro (ADRIAN POPOVICIU) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: H E L L O ! Message-ID: Dipl. eng. POPOVICIU ADRIAN R O M A N I A June 11, 2002 Dear Sir, I learn recently about you from Internet network. My name is POPOVICIU ADRIAN. I graduated engineering at the electronic and electrotechnic faculty, speciality radioelectronics, in Europe (Bucharest). 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With best greetings Yours sincerely Adrian Popoviciu From gcross at alphalink.com.au Wed Jun 12 08:12:11 2002 From: gcross at alphalink.com.au (Graeme Cross) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Looking for a Perl packager/compiler/installer In-Reply-To: <40C0BE84-7D08-11D6-BC7A-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> References: <40C0BE84-7D08-11D6-BC7A-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Message-ID: <200206121312.g5CDC9V05537@mail3.alphalink.com.au> I have a Perl script that uses some of our company's Perl modules and a number of modules from CPAN (Parse::RecDescent, Spreadsheet::WriteExcel, etc). This all runs under Activestate's Perl 5.6.1 on Win2k systems. We want to give all this to a client as a single executable that they can just run on a Windows system without having to worry about installing Perl, downloading modules from CPAN etc. (Note that we're not trying to shroud the code or anything -- we just want a program that is simple to install and execute on Win2k). When I was doing Python work, there were some nice utilities that would this for me and they work well. I have not found anything similar for Perl. I've read the FAQ and the closest I can find is the Perl compiler which doesn't seem to be up to date or stable. I've searched CPAN. I've gone through the Perl Cookbook, Advanced Perl Programming etc. I've wandered Google. Zero luck. Can someone point me in the right direction? I'm hoping that I've just been searching on the wrong keywords. TIA, Graeme -- Graeme Cross From gcross at alphalink.com.au Wed Jun 12 08:19:57 2002 From: gcross at alphalink.com.au (Graeme Cross) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Looking for a Perl packager/compiler/installer In-Reply-To: <200206121312.g5CDC9V05537@mail3.alphalink.com.au> References: <40C0BE84-7D08-11D6-BC7A-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> <200206121312.g5CDC9V05537@mail3.alphalink.com.au> Message-ID: <200206121319.g5CDJtV06102@mail3.alphalink.com.au> It seems I can answer my own question. A few minutes after sending the original e-mail out, I found Activestate's PerlDev kit (http://www.activestate.com/Products/Perl_Dev_Kit/) which includes PerlApp which can "Turn your Perl programs into ready-to-run executables. Includes versions for HP-UX, Linux, Solaris, and Windows". I would still be interested in hearing about alternatives or anyone's war stories about PerlDev/PerlApp. Thanks Graeme On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:12, Graeme Cross wrote: > I have a Perl script that uses some of our company's Perl modules and a > number of modules from CPAN (Parse::RecDescent, Spreadsheet::WriteExcel, > etc). This all runs under Activestate's Perl 5.6.1 on Win2k systems. > > We want to give all this to a client as a single executable that they can > just run on a Windows system without having to worry about installing Perl, > downloading modules from CPAN etc. (Note that we're not trying to shroud > the code or anything -- we just want a program that is simple to install > and execute on Win2k). > > When I was doing Python work, there were some nice utilities that would > this for me and they work well. > I have not found anything similar for Perl. > > I've read the FAQ and the closest I can find is the Perl compiler which > doesn't seem to be up to date or stable. > I've searched CPAN. I've gone through the Perl Cookbook, Advanced Perl > Programming etc. I've wandered Google. Zero luck. > > Can someone point me in the right direction? I'm hoping that I've just been > searching on the wrong keywords. > > TIA, > Graeme -- Graeme Cross From ac at market-research.com Wed Jun 12 10:47:40 2002 From: ac at market-research.com (Andrew Creer) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Looking for a Perl packager/compiler/installer In-Reply-To: <200206121319.g5CDJtV06102@mail3.alphalink.com.au> References: <200206121312.g5CDC9V05537@mail3.alphalink.com.au> <40C0BE84-7D08-11D6-BC7A-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> <200206121312.g5CDC9V05537@mail3.alphalink.com.au> Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20020612084448.00ae4c30@mail.market-research.com> We use perl2exe http://www.indigostar.com/perl2exe.htm does a good job, but you have to be careful about modules that do runtime requires. Test the executable on a machine without perl installed, before you deploy it to your client. cheers andrew At 11:19 PM 6/12/2002 +1000, Graeme Cross wrote: >It seems I can answer my own question. > >A few minutes after sending the original e-mail out, I found Activestate's >PerlDev kit (http://www.activestate.com/Products/Perl_Dev_Kit/) which >includes PerlApp which can "Turn your Perl programs into ready-to-run >executables. Includes versions for HP-UX, Linux, Solaris, and Windows". > >I would still be interested in hearing about alternatives or anyone's war >stories about PerlDev/PerlApp. > >Thanks >Graeme > >On Wed, 12 Jun 2002 23:12, Graeme Cross wrote: > > I have a Perl script that uses some of our company's Perl modules and a > > number of modules from CPAN (Parse::RecDescent, Spreadsheet::WriteExcel, > > etc). This all runs under Activestate's Perl 5.6.1 on Win2k systems. > > > > We want to give all this to a client as a single executable that they can > > just run on a Windows system without having to worry about installing Perl, > > downloading modules from CPAN etc. (Note that we're not trying to shroud > > the code or anything -- we just want a program that is simple to install > > and execute on Win2k). > > > > When I was doing Python work, there were some nice utilities that would > > this for me and they work well. > > I have not found anything similar for Perl. > > > > I've read the FAQ and the closest I can find is the Perl compiler which > > doesn't seem to be up to date or stable. > > I've searched CPAN. I've gone through the Perl Cookbook, Advanced Perl > > Programming etc. I've wandered Google. Zero luck. > > > > Can someone point me in the right direction? I'm hoping that I've just been > > searching on the wrong keywords. > > > > TIA, > > Graeme > >-- >Graeme Cross __________________________________________________________ Andrew Creer Director Information Technology Horizon Research Corporation US toll free 1-877 342 0928 From simon at unisolve.com.au Wed Jun 12 18:46:24 2002 From: simon at unisolve.com.au (Simon Taylor) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Looking for a Perl packager/compiler/installer In-Reply-To: <200206121319.g5CDJtV06102@mail3.alphalink.com.au> References: <40C0BE84-7D08-11D6-BC7A-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> <200206121312.g5CDC9V05537@mail3.alphalink.com.au> <200206121319.g5CDJtV06102@mail3.alphalink.com.au> Message-ID: <200206130946.25392.simon@unisolve.com.au> Graeme, > I would still be interested in hearing about alternatives or anyone's war > stories about PerlDev/PerlApp. We've used ActiveState's Perl devKit to produce stand-alone executables for the same reasons that interest you. We had a client who wanted to be able to install a single executable for demonstration purposes rather that going to the "trouble" of downloading ActiveState Perl on each new machine. At the time, (mid last year), we were unable to produce a completely stand-alone executable, and we had to resort to shipping the exe file with a few miscellaneous perl files of our own. But I suspect that given more time, we could have resolved this issue. It bothered me a little bit that we were suddenly shipping code that some interested end-user couldn't *inspect*, and I felt an attack of the Richard Stallman's coming on ;-), so I resolved that if we ever had to do this in future, I would include a README file (or a hyperlink in the case of a perl/tk app), showing where the source code inside the exe file could be found..... Regards, Simon Taylor -- Unisolve Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia +61 3 9568 2005 From scottp at dd.com.au Wed Jun 12 20:17:45 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Single API for Email access Message-ID: <5DAAA28A-7E6B-11D6-B004-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Hey dudes, I hate writing my code to cope with more than one API. Polymorphic APIs are great but they are limited by the intent of the API. For example Net::POP3 and Jeremy's great code from last night Net::HTTPMail are fantastic example of a polymorphic api which works well. However in my case I would like to be able to access: - IMAP - POP3 - HTTPMail - Local MH - Local MBox - Apple MAC OS X MBox in strange location - Custom internal MailDir format - etc with the one API, a bit like using DBI. Does anyone have experience using these. If so, with which ones. There is Mail::Box, but it does not seem to do IMAP and does not give you a list of folders etc. It is more about doing things like MH vs MBox etc. There is also Mail::Folder, but all the work involved around that is for local mail folders, and only supports a dot lock on the local mail folder. Are there any others of note. If not then what has the current best interface to folders and messages (eg: one of the IMAP libraries). If I do work on something for release or internal I would prefer to at least choose a module that already does most of the work in one of the formats and use that as the basis of the API. Scott -- Scott Penrose Anthropomorphic Personification Expert http://search.cpan.org/search?author=SCOTT scott@cpan.org Dismaimer: While every attempt has been made to make sure that this email only contains zeros and ones, there has been no effort made to guarantee the quantity or the order. From jhoward at fastmail.fm Wed Jun 12 20:25:07 2002 From: jhoward at fastmail.fm (Jeremy Howard) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Single API for Email access References: <5DAAA28A-7E6B-11D6-B004-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Message-ID: <3D07F473.40508@fastmail.fm> Scott Penrose wrote: > <...> > Does anyone have experience using these. If so, with which ones. There > is Mail::Box, but it does not seem to do IMAP and does not give you a > list of folders etc. It is more about doing things like MH vs MBox etc. > > There is also Mail::Folder, but all the work involved around that is > for local mail folders, and only supports a dot lock on the local mail > folder. The problem I see is that you're forcing yourself to support the lowest common denominator of functionality this way. POP3 only supports logging in, listing ids, and getting a message (or the 'TOP' of a message). IMAP supports a complex query language for searches, multiple folders in a tree, multiple namespaces, MIME parsing and getting specific MIME parts, instant message notification, pipelined operations, etc. From scottp at dd.com.au Wed Jun 12 20:34:14 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Single API for Email access In-Reply-To: <3D07F473.40508@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: On Thursday, June 13, 2002, at 11:25 , Jeremy Howard wrote: > Scott Penrose wrote: > >> <...> >> Does anyone have experience using these. If so, with which ones. There >> is Mail::Box, but it does not seem to do IMAP and does not give you a >> list of folders etc. It is more about doing things like MH vs MBox etc. >> >> There is also Mail::Folder, but all the work involved around that is >> for local mail folders, and only supports a dot lock on the local mail >> folder. > > The problem I see is that you're forcing yourself to support the lowest > common denominator of functionality this way. POP3 only supports > logging in, listing ids, and getting a message (or the 'TOP' of a > message). IMAP supports a complex query language for searches, multiple > folders in a tree, multiple namespaces, MIME parsing and getting > specific MIME parts, instant message notification, pipelined > operations, etc. That is always a problem. The way around that I think is to emulate functions where necessary. For example - the login and location etc should be done as a scalar like that of DBI. eg: pop:host=someohost;user=user;passwd=somepassword mh:~/Mail/ mbox:~/mail/ imap:host=someohost;user=user;passwd=somepassword Then lets pick a simple example like POP folders and POP writing message. It can't do either. So a good starting point for those is to have a method in the drivers called ->folders. It returns the list of folders, in the case of pop that would be just 'inbox'. For a write IO handle you get back undef. So like that of DBI you try and write for the middle to high ground, and return undef for some unsupported methods and have some special driver specific methods (eg: DBD::Excel has a list_sheets (I think)). If you think about how some of the webmail programs do this. There are some that support both POP and IMAP servers. They do this by coping with the differences all the way through their code. Why not abstract that logic so that it can be reused again. Does this sound insane? interesting? Scott -- Scott Penrose Welcome to the Digital Dimension http://www.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: Contents of this mail and signature are bound to change randomly. Whilst every attempt has been made to control said randomness, the author wishes to remain blameless for the number of eggs that damn chicken laid. Oh and I don't want to hear about butterflies either. From simon at unisolve.com.au Wed Jun 12 20:33:09 2002 From: simon at unisolve.com.au (Simon Taylor) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Single API for Email access In-Reply-To: <5DAAA28A-7E6B-11D6-B004-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> References: <5DAAA28A-7E6B-11D6-B004-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Message-ID: <200206131133.09217.simon@unisolve.com.au> Scott, > However in my case I would like to be able to access: > - IMAP > - POP3 > - HTTPMail > - Local MH > - Local MBox > - Apple MAC OS X MBox in strange location > - Custom internal MailDir format > - etc > > with the one API, a bit like using DBI. I was (jokingly) going to suggest that maybe a DBD::Email, or a DBD::User driver might actually be a good idea, when I noticed that there is an alpha module called DBD::LDAP Imagine an API so abstract that the developer could SELECT message IDs and INSERT new emails... ;-) - Simon Taylor -- Unisolve Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia +61 3 9568 2005 From jh_lists at fastmail.fm Wed Jun 12 20:47:50 2002 From: jh_lists at fastmail.fm (Jeremy Howard) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Single API for Email access References: Message-ID: <3D07F9C6.80006@fastmail.fm> You should definitely have a look at Mail::Cclient then. Scott Penrose wrote: > > On Thursday, June 13, 2002, at 11:25 , Jeremy Howard wrote: > >> Scott Penrose wrote: >> >>> <...> >>> Does anyone have experience using these. If so, with which ones. >>> There is Mail::Box, but it does not seem to do IMAP and does not >>> give you a list of folders etc. It is more about doing things like >>> MH vs MBox etc. >>> >>> There is also Mail::Folder, but all the work involved around that is >>> for local mail folders, and only supports a dot lock on the local >>> mail folder. >> >> >> The problem I see is that you're forcing yourself to support the >> lowest common denominator of functionality this way. POP3 only >> supports logging in, listing ids, and getting a message (or the 'TOP' >> of a message). IMAP supports a complex query language for searches, >> multiple folders in a tree, multiple namespaces, MIME parsing and >> getting specific MIME parts, instant message notification, pipelined >> operations, etc. > > > That is always a problem. The way around that I think is to emulate > functions where necessary. > For example - the login and location etc should be done as a scalar > like that of DBI. > eg: > pop:host=someohost;user=user;passwd=somepassword > mh:~/Mail/ > mbox:~/mail/ > imap:host=someohost;user=user;passwd=somepassword > > Then lets pick a simple example like POP folders and POP writing > message. It can't do either. So a good starting point for those is to > have a method in the drivers called ->folders. It returns the list of > folders, in the case of pop that would be just 'inbox'. For a write IO > handle you get back undef. > > So like that of DBI you try and write for the middle to high ground, > and return undef for some unsupported methods and have some special > driver specific methods (eg: DBD::Excel has a list_sheets (I think)). > > If you think about how some of the webmail programs do this. There are > some that support both POP and IMAP servers. They do this by coping > with the differences all the way through their code. Why not abstract > that logic so that it can be reused again. > > Does this sound insane? interesting? > > Scott > -- > Scott Penrose > Welcome to the Digital Dimension > http://www.dd.com.au/ > scottp@dd.com.au > > Dismaimer: Contents of this mail and signature are bound to change > randomly. Whilst every attempt has been made to control said > randomness, the author wishes to remain blameless for the number of > eggs that damn chicken laid. Oh and I don't want to hear about > butterflies either. > > From david_dick at mbox.com.au Wed Jun 12 21:22:27 2002 From: david_dick at mbox.com.au (David Dick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Single API for Email access (sounding insane huh?) Message-ID: <1258a1f12572d5.12572d51258a1f@mbox.com.au> while we're on the topic of sounding insane, how far are we from writing a completely GPLed version of MS Exchange (a la Samba)... cos we have Cyrus for IMAP, take your pick for SMTP, take your pick for the DB Backend, Jabber for MSN Messenger (and everything else) and if webDAV is the protocol for the calendaring functions, i think the gate is beginning to swing open.... and what is a really good language for gluing all that stuff together? :) am i missing something else that Exchange does? it's been so long since i was on that platform... :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Penrose Date: Thursday, June 13, 2002 11:34 am Subject: Re: Single API for Email access > > On Thursday, June 13, 2002, at 11:25 , Jeremy Howard wrote: > > > Scott Penrose wrote: > > > >> <...> > >> Does anyone have experience using these. If so, with which ones. > There > >> is Mail::Box, but it does not seem to do IMAP and does not give > you a > >> list of folders etc. It is more about doing things like MH vs > MBox etc. > >> > >> There is also Mail::Folder, but all the work involved around > that is > >> for local mail folders, and only supports a dot lock on the > local mail > >> folder. > > > > The problem I see is that you're forcing yourself to support the > lowest > > common denominator of functionality this way. POP3 only supports > > logging in, listing ids, and getting a message (or the 'TOP' of a > > message). IMAP supports a complex query language for searches, > multiple > > folders in a tree, multiple namespaces, MIME parsing and getting > > specific MIME parts, instant message notification, pipelined > > operations, etc. > > That is always a problem. The way around that I think is to emulate > functions where necessary. > For example - the login and location etc should be done as a scalar > like > that of DBI. > eg: > pop:host=someohost;user=user;passwd=somepassword > mh:~/Mail/ > mbox:~/mail/ > imap:host=someohost;user=user;passwd=somepassword > > Then lets pick a simple example like POP folders and POP writing > message. It can't do either. So a good starting point for those is > to > have a method in the drivers called ->folders. It returns the list > of > folders, in the case of pop that would be just 'inbox'. For a write > IO > handle you get back undef. > > So like that of DBI you try and write for the middle to high > ground, and > return undef for some unsupported methods and have some special > driver > specific methods (eg: DBD::Excel has a list_sheets (I think)). > > If you think about how some of the webmail programs do this. There > are > some that support both POP and IMAP servers. They do this by coping > with > the differences all the way through their code. Why not abstract > that > logic so that it can be reused again. > > Does this sound insane? interesting? > > Scott > -- > Scott Penrose > Welcome to the Digital Dimension > http://www.dd.com.au/ > scottp@dd.com.au > > Dismaimer: Contents of this mail and signature are bound to change > randomly. Whilst every attempt has been made to control said > randomness, > the author wishes to remain blameless for the number of eggs that > damn > chicken laid. Oh and I don't want to hear about butterflies either. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- NEW to mBox, receive faxes to any email address! Find out more http://www.mbox.com.au/fax From jhoward at fastmail.fm Wed Jun 12 21:39:00 2002 From: jhoward at fastmail.fm (Jeremy Howard) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Single API for Email access (sounding insane huh?) References: <1258a1f12572d5.12572d51258a1f@mbox.com.au> Message-ID: <3D0805C4.2000802@fastmail.fm> David Dick wrote: >while we're on the topic of sounding insane, how far are we from writing >a completely GPLed version of MS Exchange (a la Samba)... > >cos we have Cyrus for IMAP, take your pick for SMTP, take your pick for >the DB Backend, Jabber for MSN Messenger (and everything else) and if >webDAV is the protocol for the calendaring functions, i think the gate >is beginning to swing open.... and what is a really good language for >gluing all that stuff together? :) > >am i missing something else that Exchange does? it's been so long since >i was on that platform... :) > > The components exist, but then you need a client that can talk to them... One approach is to use MS Outlook as the client, and then use Bynari Insight Connector as a gateway between IMAP and Outlook: www.bynari.com . Evolution is slowly moving in the direction of working as a full groupware client using IMAP as the server. From daniel at landmarksoftware.com.au Wed Jun 12 22:29:26 2002 From: daniel at landmarksoftware.com.au (Daniel Walmsley) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Looking for a Perl packager/compiler/installer Message-ID: <10328A423AC2D311AE5B0008C70FE564106E9E@LANDNT> We've been using ActiveState's PerlApp for a while now, and it works well. In answer to your concerns: 1) You can force it to include additional modules that are not automagically included using a command line switch. I can't remember which one, and I'm not at the right machine to look at it, but trust me, it's there ;) 2) There's nothing stopping you from distributing your source code AND the precompiled executable, is there? Or at least making your source available on request. I believe Richard Stallman would approve. ;-) In the meantime, is your code actually GPLd? If not, then even if you give it away, this is not necessarily in the spirit of the GPL; that is, they can then modify and redistribute applications based on the code without having to make their source code public. Cheers, Dan -----Original Message----- From: Simon Taylor [mailto:simon@unisolve.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 13 June 2002 9:46 AM To: Melbourne Perl Mongers Subject: Re: Looking for a Perl packager/compiler/installer Graeme, > I would still be interested in hearing about alternatives or anyone's > war stories about PerlDev/PerlApp. We've used ActiveState's Perl devKit to produce stand-alone executables for the same reasons that interest you. We had a client who wanted to be able to install a single executable for demonstration purposes rather that going to the "trouble" of downloading ActiveState Perl on each new machine. At the time, (mid last year), we were unable to produce a completely stand-alone executable, and we had to resort to shipping the exe file with a few miscellaneous perl files of our own. But I suspect that given more time, we could have resolved this issue. It bothered me a little bit that we were suddenly shipping code that some interested end-user couldn't *inspect*, and I felt an attack of the Richard Stallman's coming on ;-), so I resolved that if we ever had to do this in future, I would include a README file (or a hyperlink in the case of a perl/tk app), showing where the source code inside the exe file could be found..... Regards, Simon Taylor -- Unisolve Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia +61 3 9568 2005 From gcross at alphalink.com.au Thu Jun 13 07:51:57 2002 From: gcross at alphalink.com.au (Graeme Cross) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Looking for a Perl packager/compiler/installer In-Reply-To: <10328A423AC2D311AE5B0008C70FE564106E9E@LANDNT> References: <10328A423AC2D311AE5B0008C70FE564106E9E@LANDNT> Message-ID: <200206131251.g5DCpsW30563@mail3.alphalink.com.au> On Thu, 13 Jun 2002 13:29, you wrote: > We've been using ActiveState's PerlApp for a while now, and it works well. > In answer to your concerns: > > 1) You can force it to include additional modules that are not > automagically included using a command line switch. I can't remember which > one, and I'm not at the right machine to look at it, but trust me, it's > there ;) 2) There's nothing stopping you from distributing your source code > AND the precompiled executable, is there? Or at least making your source > available on request. I believe Richard Stallman would approve. ;-) In the > meantime, is your code actually GPLd? If not, then even if you give it > away, this is not necessarily in the spirit of the GPL; that is, they can > then modify and redistribute applications based on the code without having > to make their source code public. > > Cheers, > > Dan > Dan: Thanks for the response. I've downloaded the trial version of the PDK so that I can give PerlApp a work out. I will also have a look at perl2exe. To answer your second question, the client owns the source code (it is not GPLed and they will be getting the code) -- the issue was how we could deploy this Perl application on a number of computers in a number of countries quickly & easily without having to train people up beforehand in installing Perl, downloading CPAN modules, etc. One of my specific briefs for this task was to make the installation zero effort. FYI, the application takes a few hundred megabytes of various debug logs from a single run of a clinical chemistry analyser that is in the alpha stage of development, does a swag of post-processing and then produces an Excel spreadsheet of reliability data for service engineers and the testing staff to use. Cheers Graeme -- Graeme Cross From scottp at dd.com.au Thu Jun 13 16:27:24 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Library Message-ID: <5A40AA80-7F14-11D6-B004-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> We forgot to do our library swap at our meeting this month. I just thought I would remind you that we have it available and it has a number of books: * (1) Perl for Web Site Management - (c) 2002 O'Reilly and Associates, by John Callender * (2) Programming Perl - (c) 2000 O'Reilly and Associates, by Larry Wall, Tom Christiansen & Jon Orwant * (3) Learning Perl - (c) 2001 O'Reilly and Associates, by Randal L. Schwartz and Tom Phenix * (4) Perl CD Bookshelf If you borrow(ed) a book can you please forward me a short review which I can put up on our site and forward to O'Reilly who contributed the books. Scott -- Scott Penrose VP in charge of Pancakes http://linux.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: If you receive this email in error - please eat it immediately to prevent it from falling into the wrong hands. From scottp at dd.com.au Thu Jun 13 20:53:48 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Web Site Update and July Talks Message-ID: <91CF4AE2-7F39-11D6-B388-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Hey Dudes, The new web site has been updated. http://melbourne.pm.org/ It has almost all of the talks I have received up on it (excluding currently DB (can't get latex2html to work) and SelfGOL (lost my copy)). Please enjoy and send me any changes, problems, issues, suggestions, talks etc :-) BTW. I am going to start early thins month for talks next month. I have a volunteer already to do a talk on Excel files (you know who you are :-), so perhaps we could have a theme on Reading and Writing data files (data not presentation). In particular I would like to see: - M$ Excel (directly and as a DB) - M$ Word - CSV, TSV (directly and as a DB) and I am sure there are more. I was just thinking how we could take advantage of Wine::Application to do automatic conversions of documents we can't currently natively read. It may be slow, but then the API would exist for a future write of a native version :-) Scott -- Scott Penrose Open source developer http://linux.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: Open sauce usually ends up never coming out (of the bottle). From jhoward at fastmail.fm Thu Jun 13 21:02:27 2002 From: jhoward at fastmail.fm (Jeremy Howard) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Web Site Update and July Talks References: <91CF4AE2-7F39-11D6-B388-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Message-ID: <3D094EB3.4050501@fastmail.fm> Scott Penrose wrote: > <...> > and I am sure there are more. I was just thinking how we could take > advantage of Wine::Application to do automatic conversions of > documents we can't currently natively read. It may be slow, but then > the API would exist for a future write of a native version :-) I think you'd use Win32::OLE, not Wine::Application. Does Win32::OLE work under Wine? Another approach is to have a Windows box that runs a Perl SOAP daemon that provides a gateway to Win32::OLE... From Nathan.Bailey at its.monash.edu Thu Jun 13 21:39:23 2002 From: Nathan.Bailey at its.monash.edu (Nathan Bailey) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Web Site Update and July Talks In-Reply-To: jhoward's message of Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:02:27 +1000. <3D094EB3.4050501@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200206140239.MAA225795@goaway.cc.monash.edu.au> Jeremy Howard wrote: >Another approach is to have a Windows box that runs a Perl SOAP daemon >that provides a gateway to Win32::OLE... We use wvHTML to convert Word documents (and Spreadsheet::ParseExcel for Excel). It works reasonably well if you just want to get at the document (i.e. not if you want to print it with all the formatting, etc.) Does fastmail inline attachments like this at all? (Sorry, I didn't make it to your presentation Jeremy :-) re, N -- Nathan Bailey * Email: Nathan.Bailey@its.monash.edu Manager, Flexible Learning and Teaching Program, Application Services, Information Technology Services * Phone: +61 3 990 54741 Monash University 3800 Australia * Fax: +61 3 990 53024 From scottp at dd.com.au Thu Jun 13 22:00:03 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Web Site Update and July Talks In-Reply-To: <200206140239.MAA225795@goaway.cc.monash.edu.au> Message-ID: On Friday, June 14, 2002, at 12:39 , Nathan Bailey wrote: > Jeremy Howard wrote: >> Another approach is to have a Windows box that runs a Perl SOAP daemon >> that provides a gateway to Win32::OLE... > > We use wvHTML to convert Word documents (and Spreadsheet::ParseExcel > for Excel). It works reasonably well if you just want to get at the > document (i.e. not if you want to print it with all the formatting, > etc.) We use our own XML template for wv for conversion, works great. I just had a look and can't find any interfaces out there for word view. It might be nice to write one up, can start fairly simple: my $wv = Convert::WordView->new(); # Create instance $wv->config($filehandle # Which config xml file or $filename or $scalarref); $wv->charset('UTF-8'); # Character set ? $wv->input($filehandle or $filename or $scalarref [,$password]) # What to convert $wv->execute; # Cause it to happen $wv->output(undef or $filehandle or $filename); # Return text or out to file foreach my $img ($wv->images()) { # Handle the images # Save, rename, whatever } Is this useful ? Scott > Does fastmail inline attachments like this at all? (Sorry, I didn't > make it to your presentation Jeremy :-) > > re, > N > -- > Nathan Bailey * Email: > Nathan.Bailey@its.monash.edu > Manager, Flexible Learning and Teaching Program, Application Services, > Information Technology Services * Phone: +61 3 990 54741 > Monash University 3800 Australia * Fax: +61 3 990 53024 > > > -- Scott Penrose Anthropomorphic Personification Expert http://search.cpan.org/search?author=SCOTT scott@cpan.org Dismaimer: While every attempt has been made to make sure that this email only contains zeros and ones, there has been no effort made to guarantee the quantity or the order. From Nathan.Bailey at its.monash.edu Thu Jun 13 22:06:45 2002 From: Nathan.Bailey at its.monash.edu (Nathan Bailey) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Web Site Update and July Talks In-Reply-To: scottp's message of Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:00:03 +1000. Message-ID: <200206140306.NAA231716@goaway.cc.monash.edu.au> Scott Penrose wrote: >had a look and can't find any interfaces out there for word view. It >might be nice to write one up, can start fairly simple: > >Is this useful ? We have handlers as part of MIME::Parser, that I had thought about publishing. It might be more useful to step a level higher than simply wv, and have "Document to HTML", such that you throw a document at it, it uses 'file'/magic to work out what kind of document it is (or extensions, if people are so nice) and then calls the appropriate sub-module to convert it (wv, ParseExcel, Powerpoint -- for which I have found nothing, but would love to!) Then MIME::Parser could use it, and programmers can access it directly for other purposes (e.g. procmail scripts ;-) re, N From jhoward at fastmail.fm Thu Jun 13 22:12:18 2002 From: jhoward at fastmail.fm (Jeremy Howard) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Web Site Update and July Talks References: <200206140239.MAA225795@goaway.cc.monash.edu.au> Message-ID: <3D095F12.4060800@fastmail.fm> Nathan Bailey wrote: >We use wvHTML to convert Word documents (and Spreadsheet::ParseExcel >for Excel). It works reasonably well if you just want to get at the >document (i.e. not if you want to print it with all the formatting, >etc.) > > How do you convert Excel documents to HTML with Spreadsheet::ParseExcel? Scott showed an example that used DBD::Excel, which works well but only for named list data, not general formats. Have you looked at this:? http://chicago.sourceforge.net/xlhtml/ >Does fastmail inline attachments like this at all? (Sorry, I didn't >make it to your presentation Jeremy :-) > > No, but it's been on our todo list for over 3 years now, and this discussion might just get me motivated to finally implement it! From scottp at dd.com.au Thu Jun 13 22:32:05 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Web Site Update and July Talks In-Reply-To: <3D095F12.4060800@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <4CA7628C-7F47-11D6-B388-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> On Friday, June 14, 2002, at 01:12 , Jeremy Howard wrote: > Nathan Bailey wrote: > >> We use wvHTML to convert Word documents (and Spreadsheet::ParseExcel >> for Excel). It works reasonably well if you just want to get at the >> document (i.e. not if you want to print it with all the formatting, >> etc.) >> > How do you convert Excel documents to HTML with > Spreadsheet::ParseExcel? Scott showed an example that used DBD::Excel, > which works well but only for named list data, not general formats. > Have you looked at this:? > > http://chicago.sourceforge.net/xlhtml/ There is a bit of software that comes as a demo with Spreadsheet::ParseExcel called 'herbert'. Look in the bin directory. It does a nice job of handling almost any format of sheet, but I found it created too much html to try and cope with every formatting issue. Scott -- Scott Penrose Open source developer http://linux.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: Open sauce usually ends up never coming out (of the bottle). From Nathan.Bailey at its.monash.edu Thu Jun 13 22:32:16 2002 From: Nathan.Bailey at its.monash.edu (Nathan Bailey) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Web Site Update and July Talks In-Reply-To: jhoward's message of Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:12:18 +1000. <3D095F12.4060800@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200206140332.NAA232690@goaway.cc.monash.edu.au> Jeremy Howard wrote: >How do you convert Excel documents to HTML with Spreadsheet::ParseExcel? Very crudely :-) It's just a display, really. >Scott showed an example that used DBD::Excel, which works well but only >for named list data, not general formats. Have you looked at this:? Nope, I keep seeing the stuff on the list and being very interested, but I just don't have nights free to come to the talks at this point, unfortunately! I will be sure to look at the talks online tho, thanks Scott :-) >http://chicago.sourceforge.net/xlhtml/ Interesting! Will check this out, thanks! >No, but it's been on our todo list for over 3 years now, and this >discussion might just get me motivated to finally implement it! You're welcome to our code, if it helps. For those of us doing commercial programming, I think we should try to "factor out" as much as possible into modules that can be submitted to CPAN, so that we can all contribute/extend, rather than re-inventing the wheel. (But I am preaching open source to the converted, I expect :-) N From anubis2fg7 at lycos.com Thu Jun 13 23:04:13 2002 From: anubis2fg7 at lycos.com (anubis2fg7@lycos.com) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Live and ready for your eyes! Message-ID: <200206140404.g5E44CF30589@mail.pm.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/melbourne-pm/attachments/20020613/9f0516bf/attachment.htm From jhoward at fastmail.fm Thu Jun 13 22:56:51 2002 From: jhoward at fastmail.fm (Jeremy Howard) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Web Site Update and July Talks Message-ID: <20020614035651.60C366DA04@www.fastmail.fm> On Fri, 14 Jun 2002 13:32:05 +1000, "Scott Penrose" said: > There is a bit of software that comes as a demo with > Spreadsheet::ParseExcel called 'herbert'. Look in the bin directory. > > It does a nice job of handling almost any format of sheet, but I found > it created too much html to try and cope with every formatting issue. > Thanks for the tip. For the record, 'herbert' comes with OLE::Storage. It doesn't even use Spreadsheet::ParseExcel! (In fact, it turns out that Spreadsheet::ParseExcel is based on herbert). It looks like converting the Sheet_to_HTML() function in herbert to use Spreadsheet::ParseExcel is still an open problem. I'd guess this would be a good idea... -- Jeremy Howard jeremy@fastmail.fm From scottp at dd.com.au Thu Jun 13 23:21:50 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: More Updates to web site Message-ID: <3FDEF210-7F4E-11D6-B388-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Some more updates have happened: - Fastmail talk description http://melbourne.pm.org/talks/fastmail/ - New code for Expect http://melbourne.pm.org/talks/expect/ - Excel DBD Example http://melbourne.pm.org/talks/excel/dbd.html - Pictures from CRT Open Day http://melbourne.pm.org/events/vtr/ Enjoy. Scott -- Scott Penrose VP in charge of Pancakes http://linux.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: If you receive this email in error - please eat it immediately to prevent it from falling into the wrong hands. From scottp at dd.com.au Thu Jun 13 23:23:02 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Web Site Update and July Talks In-Reply-To: <200206140332.NAA232690@goaway.cc.monash.edu.au> Message-ID: <6AAA8710-7F4E-11D6-B388-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> On Friday, June 14, 2002, at 01:32 , Nathan Bailey wrote: > Jeremy Howard wrote: >> How do you convert Excel documents to HTML with >> Spreadsheet::ParseExcel? > > Very crudely :-) It's just a display, really. > >> Scott showed an example that used DBD::Excel, which works well but only >> for named list data, not general formats. Have you looked at this:? > > Nope, I keep seeing the stuff on the list and being very interested, > but I just don't have nights free to come to the talks at this point, > unfortunately! I will be sure to look at the talks online tho, thanks > Scott :-) > >> http://chicago.sourceforge.net/xlhtml/ http://melbourne.pm.org/talks/excel/dbd.html :-) Scott -- Scott Penrose Open source developer http://linux.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: Open sauce usually ends up never coming out (of the bottle). From Nathan.Bailey at its.monash.edu Mon Jun 17 01:38:58 2002 From: Nathan.Bailey at its.monash.edu (Nathan Bailey) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Perl jobs at Monash In-Reply-To: jhoward's message of Fri, 14 Jun 2002 12:02:27 +1000. <3D094EB3.4050501@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <200206170638.QAA249387@goaway.cc.monash.edu.au> [ I believe I'm pioneering in this aspect -- if people don't want perl jobs on melb pm, now is the time to say :-) ] Monash has two vacancies for perl hackers, see: http://its.monash.edu/aboutits/employment/ * Manager, Development & Integration * Portal Developer/Integrator Also published on seek.com and tomorrow's Age. Work is on Monash's enterprise information portal (http://my.monash.edu/, see http://monash.edu/portal/) and on web-based corporate applications. regards, Nate -- Nathan Bailey * Email: Nathan.Bailey@its.monash.edu Manager, Flexible Learning and Teaching Program, Application Services, Information Technology Services * Phone: +61 3 990 54741 Monash University 3800 Australia * Fax: +61 3 990 53024 From piers at ompa.net Thu Jun 20 20:36:01 2002 From: piers at ompa.net (Piers Harding) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Any melbourne-pm gathering in the next week? Message-ID: <20020621023601.A20160@gnu> Hi, I'm in Melbourne unexpectedly ( a funeral :-( ) this week, so I was wondering if there was any melbourne-pm type gathering coming up? Cheers, Piers Harding From scottp at dd.com.au Thu Jun 20 20:44:41 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Any melbourne-pm gathering in the next week? In-Reply-To: <20020621023601.A20160@gnu> Message-ID: <749490CC-84B8-11D6-B6F0-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Not planned as such :-) we have our meetings at the moment every second Wednesday of the month. Anyone want to get together for a little session ? Scott On Friday, June 21, 2002, at 11:36 , Piers Harding wrote: > Hi, > > I'm in Melbourne unexpectedly ( a funeral :-( ) this week, so I was > wondering if there was any melbourne-pm type gathering coming up? > > Cheers, > > Piers Harding > > > -- Scott Penrose Anthropomorphic Personification Expert http://search.cpan.org/search?author=SCOTT scott@cpan.org Dismaimer: While every attempt has been made to make sure that this email only contains zeros and ones, there has been no effort made to guarantee the quantity or the order. From gustaf at cmetech.com.au Thu Jun 20 21:03:37 2002 From: gustaf at cmetech.com.au (Gustaf Bjorksten) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Any melbourne-pm gathering in the next week? In-Reply-To: <20020621023601.A20160@gnu> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Piers Harding wrote: > Hi, > > I'm in Melbourne unexpectedly ( a funeral :-( ) this week, so I was > wondering if there was any melbourne-pm type gathering coming up? Next tuesday nite (i think - someone correct me if i am wrong) is the second hands-on session of extreme programming (in perl) of the LUV programmers SIG. You are most welcome to come along to that - we need more perl programmers! ;) L8rz, Foobard - Jester from the Court of Chaos Net Cens0rship = Book Burning in the Digital Age http://www.efa.org.au/ From MRyan at pacificaccess.com.au Thu Jun 20 21:05:58 2002 From: MRyan at pacificaccess.com.au (Ryan, Martin) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Any melbourne-pm gathering in the next week? Message-ID: > Anyone want to get together for a little session ? I've looked everywhere and I cant find a reason why not... From piers at ompa.net Thu Jun 20 21:20:41 2002 From: piers at ompa.net (Piers Harding) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Any melbourne-pm gathering in the next week? In-Reply-To: <749490CC-84B8-11D6-B6F0-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au>; from scottp@dd.com.au on Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 11:44:41AM +1000 References: <20020621023601.A20160@gnu> <749490CC-84B8-11D6-B6F0-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Message-ID: <20020621032041.F20160@gnu> It would be great to meet up with you guys, so if anyone has some ideas, then count me in. Cheers. On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 11:44:41AM +1000, Scott Penrose wrote: > Not planned as such :-) we have our meetings at the moment every second > Wednesday of the month. > > Anyone want to get together for a little session ? > > Scott > > On Friday, June 21, 2002, at 11:36 , Piers Harding wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > I'm in Melbourne unexpectedly ( a funeral :-( ) this week, so I was > > wondering if there was any melbourne-pm type gathering coming up? > > > > Cheers, > > > > Piers Harding > > > > > > > -- > Scott Penrose > Anthropomorphic Personification Expert > http://search.cpan.org/search?author=SCOTT > scott@cpan.org > > Dismaimer: While every attempt has been made to make sure that this > email only contains zeros and ones, there has been no effort made to > guarantee the quantity or the order. From scottp at dd.com.au Thu Jun 20 21:21:13 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Any melbourne-pm gathering in the next week? In-Reply-To: <20020621023601.A20160@gnu> Message-ID: <8EE83DB6-84BD-11D6-B6F0-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> > Would people prefer Monday Night (like at the Pub), Saturday afternoon / night (myinternet House or at the pub) or just part of the LUV meeting on Tuesday (perl XP session for the LUV members list db) ? Scott -- Scott Penrose Open source developer http://linux.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: Open sauce usually ends up never coming out (of the bottle). From piers at ompa.net Thu Jun 20 21:27:29 2002 From: piers at ompa.net (Piers Harding) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Any melbourne-pm gathering in the next week? In-Reply-To: <8EE83DB6-84BD-11D6-B6F0-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au>; from scottp@dd.com.au on Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 12:21:13PM +1000 References: <20020621023601.A20160@gnu> <8EE83DB6-84BD-11D6-B6F0-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Message-ID: <20020621032729.A20643@gnu> Monday night would be good for me - Tuesday I'm not so sure, just incase I have to head back to the UK early ( the flights are really difficult to get hold of at the moment ). Cheers. On Fri, Jun 21, 2002 at 12:21:13PM +1000, Scott Penrose wrote: > > > > Would people prefer Monday Night (like at the Pub), Saturday afternoon / > night (myinternet House or at the pub) or just part of the LUV meeting > on Tuesday (perl XP session for the LUV members list db) ? > > Scott > -- > Scott Penrose > Open source developer > http://linux.dd.com.au/ > scottp@dd.com.au > > Dismaimer: Open sauce usually ends up never coming out (of the bottle). From gustaf at cmetech.com.au Thu Jun 20 21:37:21 2002 From: gustaf at cmetech.com.au (Gustaf Bjorksten) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Any melbourne-pm gathering in the next week? In-Reply-To: <8EE83DB6-84BD-11D6-B6F0-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Scott Penrose wrote: > > Would people prefer Monday Night (like at the Pub), Saturday afternoon / > night (myinternet House or at the pub) or just part of the LUV meeting or saturday afternoon/night at nerdlabs ;) There will be some autonomous mobile agent stuff being discussed and programmed in perl.. L8rz, Foobard - Jester from the Court of Chaos Net Cens0rship = Book Burning in the Digital Age http://www.efa.org.au/ From david_dick at mbox.com.au Thu Jun 20 22:13:55 2002 From: david_dick at mbox.com.au (David Dick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:35 2004 Subject: Any melbourne-pm gathering in the next week? Message-ID: <16c098e16c0f69.16c0f6916c098e@mbox.com.au> that sounds _very_ geeky.... when and where???? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Gustaf Bjorksten Date: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:37 pm Subject: Re: Any melbourne-pm gathering in the next week? > On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Scott Penrose wrote: > > > > > Would people prefer Monday Night (like at the Pub), Saturday > afternoon / > > night (myinternet House or at the pub) or just part of the LUV > meeting > > or saturday afternoon/night at nerdlabs ;) There will be some > autonomousmobile agent stuff being discussed and programmed in perl.. > > L8rz, > Foobard - Jester from the Court of Chaos > > > Net Cens0rship = Book Burning in the Digital Age > http://www.efa.org.au/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Would you like to receive faxes to your personal email address? You can with mBox. Visit http://www.mbox.com.au/fax From scottp at dd.com.au Thu Jun 20 22:43:51 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:36 2004 Subject: Any melbourne-pm gathering in the next week? In-Reply-To: <16c098e16c0f69.16c0f6916c098e@mbox.com.au> Message-ID: <1A18895D-84C9-11D6-B6F0-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> >>> >>> Would people prefer Monday Night (like at the Pub), Saturday >> afternoon / >>> night (myinternet House or at the pub) or just part of the LUV >> meeting >> >> or saturday afternoon/night at nerdlabs ;) There will be some >> autonomousmobile agent stuff being discussed and programmed in perl.. Assuming people are around / available looks like we could head up to Nerdlab for Saturday Afternoon. I reckon 2pm should be a go. Foo, would you like to update us on where, tell us if the time is ok etc. Piers, if you are up for it, we could perhaps have dinner at the Pub on Monday night, for those who can't come Saturday afternoon. Would you be up for that? Scott -- Scott Penrose Welcome to the Digital Dimension http://www.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: Contents of this mail and signature are bound to change randomly. Whilst every attempt has been made to control said randomness, the author wishes to remain blameless for the number of eggs that damn chicken laid. Oh and I don't want to hear about butterflies either. From gustaf at cmetech.com.au Thu Jun 20 23:31:51 2002 From: gustaf at cmetech.com.au (Gustaf Bjorksten) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:36 2004 Subject: Any melbourne-pm gathering in the next week? In-Reply-To: <16c098e16c0f69.16c0f6916c098e@mbox.com.au> Message-ID: On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, David Dick wrote: > that sounds _very_ geeky.... when and where???? :) > very geeky indeed! Nerdlabs is a bastion/temple of geekdom ;) for a very limited time there will be an ascii map ("X" marks the spot) up at: http://foobard.cmetech.com.au/ (bloody Smelstra adsl is down /again/ so i can't check what the above looks like - i hope it is readable) we will pop over to sahara at some stage during the evening for bagels/beer/coffee, and to meet some guys from the NetSavvy Band Project (any music/perl hackers on melbourne.pm?). when...? Anytime from midday onwards. Nerdlabs is not open to the "public" and you will need to identify yourself as being a melbourne perl monger (maybe by quoting a perl one-liner ;) to get in. L8rz, Foobard - Jester from the Court of Chaos > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gustaf Bjorksten > Date: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:37 pm > Subject: Re: Any melbourne-pm gathering in the next week? > > > On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Scott Penrose wrote: > > > > > > > > Would people prefer Monday Night (like at the Pub), Saturday > > afternoon / > > > night (myinternet House or at the pub) or just part of the LUV > > meeting > > > > or saturday afternoon/night at nerdlabs ;) There will be some > > autonomousmobile agent stuff being discussed and programmed in perl.. > > > > L8rz, > > Foobard - Jester from the Court of Chaos > > > > > > Net Cens0rship = Book Burning in the Digital Age > > http://www.efa.org.au/ > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Would you like to receive faxes to your personal email address? > You can with mBox. Visit http://www.mbox.com.au/fax > Net Cens0rship = Book Burning in the Digital Age http://www.efa.org.au/ From scottp at dd.com.au Fri Jun 21 00:47:01 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:36 2004 Subject: Any melbourne-pm gathering in the next week? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <4ED80390-84DA-11D6-B6F0-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> A big thanks to Foo, and see you all tomorrow ::-) Scott On Friday, June 21, 2002, at 02:31 , Gustaf Bjorksten wrote: > On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, David Dick wrote: > >> that sounds _very_ geeky.... when and where???? :) >> > > very geeky indeed! Nerdlabs is a bastion/temple of geekdom ;) > > for a very limited time there will be an ascii map ("X" marks the spot) > up at: > > http://foobard.cmetech.com.au/ > > (bloody Smelstra adsl is down /again/ so i can't check what the above > looks like - i hope it is readable) > > we will pop over to sahara at some stage during the evening for > bagels/beer/coffee, and to meet some guys from the NetSavvy Band Project > (any music/perl hackers on melbourne.pm?). > > when...? Anytime from midday onwards. > > Nerdlabs is not open to the "public" and you will need to identify > yourself as being a melbourne perl monger (maybe by quoting a perl > one-liner ;) to get in. > > L8rz, > Foobard - Jester from the Court of Chaos > > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Gustaf Bjorksten >> Date: Friday, June 21, 2002 12:37 pm >> Subject: Re: Any melbourne-pm gathering in the next week? >> >>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2002, Scott Penrose wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Would people prefer Monday Night (like at the Pub), Saturday >>> afternoon / >>>> night (myinternet House or at the pub) or just part of the LUV >>> meeting >>> >>> or saturday afternoon/night at nerdlabs ;) There will be some >>> autonomousmobile agent stuff being discussed and programmed in perl.. >>> >>> L8rz, >>> Foobard - Jester from the Court of Chaos >>> >>> >>> Net Cens0rship = Book Burning in the Digital Age >>> http://www.efa.org.au/ >>> >>> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Would you like to receive faxes to your personal email address? >> You can with mBox. Visit http://www.mbox.com.au/fax >> > > > Net Cens0rship = Book Burning in the Digital Age > http://www.efa.org.au/ > > > > -- Scott Penrose Welcome to the Digital Dimension http://www.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: Contents of this mail and signature are bound to change randomly. Whilst every attempt has been made to control said randomness, the author wishes to remain blameless for the number of eggs that damn chicken laid. Oh and I don't want to hear about butterflies either. From dwagon at connect.com.au Mon Jun 24 20:15:33 2002 From: dwagon at connect.com.au (Dougal Scott) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:36 2004 Subject: Randal Schwartz in Melbourne Message-ID: <20020625011533.B36125F35A@warrane.connect.com.au> Randal Schwartz will be coming to Melbourne to give a few tutorials at the SAGE-AU 2002 Annual Conference from Monday 5th August to Friday 9th August. He will be giving tutorials on: * Perl Web Techniques * Perl Packages, References, Objects and Modules * What's new in Perl 6? See http://www.sage-au.org.au/conf for more details including registration forms. -- Dougal Scott Connect Internet Solutions dwagon@connect.com.au 9/114 Albert Rd Senior Systems Administrator South Melbourne, Australia, 3205 From jporup at hotmail.com Tue Jun 25 18:54:53 2002 From: jporup at hotmail.com (j porup) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:36 2004 Subject: Lingua::Romana::Perligata Message-ID: In case you haven't seen this yet, check out Damian Conway's latest white paper: http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~damian/papers/HTML/Perligata.html in which he lays the case for programming Perl in Latin. Could we, perhaps, coax Damian into Perl Mongers for a discussion of his new module? How about it, Damian? Jens _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com From damian at conway.org Tue Jun 25 20:48:41 2002 From: damian at conway.org (Damian Conway) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:36 2004 Subject: Lingua::Romana::Perligata References: Message-ID: <3D191D78.A06189A4@conway.org> > Could we, perhaps, coax Damian into Perl Mongers for a discussion of his new > module? > > How about it, Damian? Happy to talk about it. I have a talk already written in fact. I won't be back in Melbourne till October, but I'm sure we can work something out for later in the year. Damian From scottp at dd.com.au Wed Jun 26 16:16:18 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:36 2004 Subject: July Meeting Preperation Message-ID: In the last perl mongers we discussed the idea of grouping our meetings into themes. Graeme offered to talk about MS Excel file manipulation, but due to him being away this month I suggest we make that the August meeting. Send me some ideas, but I thought that it would be nice this month to talk about "Web Services" We would need of course an introductions from someone to actually clarify which of the many meanings of "Web Services" we want this time :-) Daniel Walmsley has offered to talk about a new and exciting project he is working on called 'Agents' Please send off any proposals to the list. Scott -- Scott Penrose Open source developer http://linux.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: Open sauce usually ends up never coming out (of the bottle). From scottp at dd.com.au Wed Jun 26 16:11:53 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:36 2004 Subject: Web Site Message-ID: <56EDB78B-8949-11D6-BCCD-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Looks like our (and all of pm) web sites are down. Anyone know why? Scott -- Scott Penrose Anthropomorphic Personification Expert http://search.cpan.org/search?author=SCOTT scott@cpan.org Dismaimer: While every attempt has been made to make sure that this email only contains zeros and ones, there has been no effort made to guarantee the quantity or the order. From brendon.oliver at redsheriff.com Wed Jun 26 17:28:59 2002 From: brendon.oliver at redsheriff.com (Brendon Oliver) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:36 2004 Subject: July Meeting Preperation In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200206270828.59791.brendon.oliver@redsheriff.com> Dumb question: what is the date of the July meeting? Since now I'm free of studies for a while, I'd like to come along..... - Brendon On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:16, Scott Penrose wrote: > In the last perl mongers we discussed the idea of grouping our meetings > into themes. > > Graeme offered to talk about MS Excel file manipulation, but due to him > being away this month I suggest we make that the August meeting. > > Send me some ideas, but I thought that it would be nice this month to > talk about "Web Services" > > We would need of course an introductions from someone to actually > clarify which of the many meanings of "Web Services" we want this > time :-) > > Daniel Walmsley has offered to talk about a new and exciting project he > is working on called 'Agents' > > Please send off any proposals to the list. > > Scott -- R E D S H E R I F F Brendon Oliver - Technology Release Manager [brendon.oliver@redsheriff.com] Level 7, 10 Queens Road +61 3 9864 0755 tel Melbourne VIC +61 3 9864 0778 fax Australia +61 411 048 342 mob This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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Since now I'm > free of > studies for a while, I'd like to come along..... # July 10 2002 FYI the schedule is on the web site at http://melbourne.pm.org/meetings/ Scott > - Brendon > > On Thu, 27 Jun 2002 07:16, Scott Penrose wrote: >> In the last perl mongers we discussed the idea of grouping our meetings >> into themes. >> >> Graeme offered to talk about MS Excel file manipulation, but due to him >> being away this month I suggest we make that the August meeting. >> >> Send me some ideas, but I thought that it would be nice this month to >> talk about "Web Services" >> >> We would need of course an introductions from someone to actually >> clarify which of the many meanings of "Web Services" we want this >> time :-) >> >> Daniel Walmsley has offered to talk about a new and exciting project he >> is working on called 'Agents' >> >> Please send off any proposals to the list. >> >> Scott > > -- > > R E D S H E R I F F > Brendon Oliver - Technology Release Manager > [brendon.oliver@redsheriff.com] > > Level 7, 10 Queens Road +61 3 9864 0755 tel > Melbourne VIC +61 3 9864 0778 fax > Australia +61 411 048 342 mob > > This message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended > solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. 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From rob at cowsnet.com.au Wed Jun 26 20:30:38 2002 From: rob at cowsnet.com.au (Rob) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:36 2004 Subject: July Meeting Preperation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002e01c21d7a$400f37f0$fa092ccb@cowsnetw2kp> > Send me some ideas, but I thought that it would be nice this month to > talk about "Web Services" CGI frameworks? CGI::Application? Apache::Session? Or maybe something more generic such as principles of CGI security? Rob Casey Business Manager, Senior IT Consultant Cowsnet Internet and Professional Services http://www.cowsnet.com.au > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-melbourne-pm@pm.org > [mailto:owner-melbourne-pm@pm.org] On Behalf Of Scott Penrose > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 7:16 AM > To: melbourne-pm@pm.org > Subject: July Meeting Preperation > > > In the last perl mongers we discussed the idea of grouping > our meetings > into themes. > > Graeme offered to talk about MS Excel file manipulation, but > due to him > being away this month I suggest we make that the August meeting. > > Send me some ideas, but I thought that it would be nice this month to > talk about "Web Services" > > We would need of course an introductions from someone to actually > clarify which of the many meanings of "Web Services" we want this > time :-) > > Daniel Walmsley has offered to talk about a new and exciting > project he > is working on called 'Agents' > > Please send off any proposals to the list. > > Scott > -- > Scott Penrose > Open source developer > http://linux.dd.com.au/ > scottp@dd.com.au > > Dismaimer: Open sauce usually ends up never coming out (of > the bottle). > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not that I have a habit of volunteering other people for talks or anything. :) All the best, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/melbourne-pm/attachments/20020627/0bb8c8c2/attachment.bin From rob at cowsnet.com.au Wed Jun 26 20:55:35 2002 From: rob at cowsnet.com.au (Rob) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:36 2004 Subject: July Meeting Preperation In-Reply-To: <20020627114052.D6052@mukc.org.au> Message-ID: <007601c21d7d$bb431b50$fa092ccb@cowsnetw2kp> I've also got some extra stuff to do with CGI::Application including usage of Template Toolkit (in place of HTML::Template) and basic session handling which may also be of interest ... Also too, I can outline some directions which I have further expansion upon the 'state model' for CGI applications. Looks like it's me for the talk ... Unless anyone can actually find something interesting to talk about :-) Rob Rob Casey Business Manager, Senior IT Consultant Cowsnet Internet and Professional Services http://www.cowsnet.com.au > -----Original Message----- > From: pjf@perltraining.com.au [mailto:pjf@perltraining.com.au] > Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:41 AM > To: Rob > Cc: melbourne-pm@pm.org > Subject: Re: July Meeting Preperation -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Scott On Thursday, June 27, 2002, at 11:55 , Rob wrote: > I've also got some extra stuff to do with CGI::Application including > usage of Template Toolkit (in place of HTML::Template) and basic session > handling which may also be of interest ... Also too, I can outline some > directions which I have further expansion upon the 'state model' for CGI > applications. > > Looks like it's me for the talk ... Unless anyone can actually find > something interesting to talk about :-) > > Rob > > > Rob Casey > Business Manager, Senior IT Consultant > Cowsnet Internet and Professional Services > http://www.cowsnet.com.au > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pjf@perltraining.com.au [mailto:pjf@perltraining.com.au] >> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:41 AM >> To: Rob >> Cc: melbourne-pm@pm.org >> Subject: Re: July Meeting Preperation > -- Scott Penrose Anthropomorphic Personification Expert http://search.cpan.org/search?author=SCOTT scott@cpan.org Dismaimer: While every attempt has been made to make sure that this email only contains zeros and ones, there has been no effort made to guarantee the quantity or the order. From jhoward at fastmail.fm Wed Jun 26 23:39:01 2002 From: jhoward at fastmail.fm (Jeremy Howard) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:36 2004 Subject: July Meeting Preperation References: <67E48286-8974-11D6-BCCD-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Message-ID: <3D1A96E5.8010102@fastmail.fm> Scott Penrose wrote: > Anyone willing to do a talk on SOAP or XML-RPC ? I'm creating a SOAP web service at the moment using SOAP::Lite. We currently use our own simple XML API to provide IMAP notification over HTTP for FastCheck: http://www.fastcheck.org I'm planning to move this over to SOAP in the next few weeks, and then start providing more SOAP-accessible FastMail.FM bits, including an interface to address books (to allow syncing of web address books with email clients and PIMs). So by the time the meeting comes along, I may have 10 minutes worth of interesting things to say, but I certainly won't be an expert!... From daniel at landmarksoftware.com.au Thu Jun 27 20:14:39 2002 From: daniel at landmarksoftware.com.au (Daniel Walmsley) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:36 2004 Subject: July Meeting Preperation Message-ID: <10328A423AC2D311AE5B0008C70FE564278D32@landnt.land-mark.com.au> I can talk about SOAP::Lite as part of the Agent stuff. -----Original Message----- From: Scott Penrose [mailto:scottp@dd.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 27 June 2002 12:20 PM To: rob@cowsnet.com.au Cc: pjf@perltraining.com.au; melbourne-pm@pm.org Subject: Re: July Meeting Preperation I think CGI::Application would be good, but looking at it as a Web Service provider, not as an HTML page renderer would be good for the theme of the evening. Is anyone out there producing RSS docs (I can do a talk on this as we use and generate RSS docs from our code base). Anyone willing to do a talk on SOAP or XML-RPC ? Scott On Thursday, June 27, 2002, at 11:55 , Rob wrote: > I've also got some extra stuff to do with CGI::Application including > usage of Template Toolkit (in place of HTML::Template) and basic > session handling which may also be of interest ... Also too, I can > outline some directions which I have further expansion upon the 'state > model' for CGI applications. > > Looks like it's me for the talk ... Unless anyone can actually find > something interesting to talk about :-) > > Rob > > > Rob Casey > Business Manager, Senior IT Consultant > Cowsnet Internet and Professional Services http://www.cowsnet.com.au > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: pjf@perltraining.com.au [mailto:pjf@perltraining.com.au] >> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 11:41 AM >> To: Rob >> Cc: melbourne-pm@pm.org >> Subject: Re: July Meeting Preperation > -- Scott Penrose Anthropomorphic Personification Expert http://search.cpan.org/search?author=SCOTT scott@cpan.org Dismaimer: While every attempt has been made to make sure that this email only contains zeros and ones, there has been no effort made to guarantee the quantity or the order. From scottp at dd.com.au Thu Jun 27 01:06:57 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:36 2004 Subject: July Meeting Preperation In-Reply-To: <3D1A96E5.8010102@fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <1632140A-8994-11D6-BCCD-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> On Thursday, June 27, 2002, at 02:39 , Jeremy Howard wrote: > Scott Penrose wrote: > >> Anyone willing to do a talk on SOAP or XML-RPC ? > > I'm creating a SOAP web service at the moment using SOAP::Lite. We > currently use our own simple XML API to provide IMAP notification over > HTTP for FastCheck: > > http://www.fastcheck.org > > I'm planning to move this over to SOAP in the next few weeks, and then > start providing more SOAP-accessible FastMail.FM bits, including an > interface to address books (to allow syncing of web address books with > email clients and PIMs). > > So by the time the meeting comes along, I may have 10 minutes worth of > interesting things to say, but I certainly won't be an expert!... Thats perfect. We are looking for a set of things. 10 minute - 20 minute talks are a perfect length time. Web services are diverse (just look at some of the definitions :-) so having a few short talks would be ideal. Scott -- Scott Penrose Welcome to the Digital Dimension http://www.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: Contents of this mail and signature are bound to change randomly. Whilst every attempt has been made to control said randomness, the author wishes to remain blameless for the number of eggs that damn chicken laid. Oh and I don't want to hear about butterflies either. From gouranga16 at freestart.hu Fri Jun 28 20:24:04 2002 From: gouranga16 at freestart.hu (gouranga16@freestart.hu) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:36 2004 Subject: Call Out Gouranga Be Happy Message-ID: <200206282204.g5SM48015210@mail.pm.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Scott -- Scott Penrose Welcome to the Digital Dimension http://www.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: Contents of this mail and signature are bound to change randomly. Whilst every attempt has been made to control said randomness, the author wishes to remain blameless for the number of eggs that damn chicken laid. Oh and I don't want to hear about butterflies either. From rob at cowsnet.com.au Sun Jun 30 18:27:38 2002 From: rob at cowsnet.com.au (Rob) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:36 2004 Subject: Hash or List to constructors In-Reply-To: <03708493-8C7D-11D6-BEC7-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Message-ID: <001101c2208d$ba935310$39662fcb@cowsnetw2kp> G'Day Scott, > My preference for simple constructors (eg: DBI) is to hand just one > parameter. But for complex entries (eg: DBI options) it is > best to use a > hash, or even a hash ref. I usually go the way of a hash/hashref for complex constructors, as I feel this offers a more intuitive model rather than an order list of values. I mentioned hash/hashref as I often do something like this ... sub foo { my %options; if (ref $_[0] eq 'HASH') { %options = shift; } else { if (scalar(@_) % 2) { %options = @_; } else { croak( 'Uneven number of arguments passed to foo - Argument should be a hash or hash reference' ); } } } Regards, Rob Rob Casey Business Manager, Senior IT Consultant Cowsnet Internet and Professional Services http://www.cowsnet.com.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3222 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/melbourne-pm/attachments/20020701/70596a4f/smime.bin From david_dick at mbox.com.au Sun Jun 30 18:30:15 2002 From: david_dick at mbox.com.au (David Dick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:36 2004 Subject: Hash or List to constructors Message-ID: <1b486671b458f0.1b458f01b48667@mbox.com.au> what i usually use is a hash ref, based on a couple of things. First, that way, everyone using the framework understands that you always pass a hash ref to the constructor. Second, the hash can handle infinite changes to it's composition, which is useful in prototyping and subclassing. Thirdly, most of my work tends to involve the high probability of passing massive parameters (bloody html :)) in the arguments and it is probably best for saving space to only pass a reference instead of the full hash. uru -Dave ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Penrose Date: Monday, July 1, 2002 8:59 am Subject: Hash or List to constructors > Hi Dudes, > > I was wondering people opinion on constructors. > > I have a new module I am writing which currently requires two > inputs > (device, strobe). The first being a scalar and the second a number. > I > thought also that I may in the future have an optional 3rd > parameter > which is the timeout between the strobe. > > I am wondering if it is better to go for a hash > > ->new(device => 'somedevice', strobe => 15, interval => 150, ...) > > of is it better to extend the list of values? > > My preference for simple constructors (eg: DBI) is to hand just one > parameter. But for complex entries (eg: DBI options) it is best to > use a > hash, or even a hash ref. > > Preferences, feedback ? > > Scott > -- > Scott Penrose > Welcome to the Digital Dimension > http://www.dd.com.au/ > scottp@dd.com.au > > Dismaimer: Contents of this mail and signature are bound to change > randomly. Whilst every attempt has been made to control said > randomness, > the author wishes to remain blameless for the number of eggs that > damn > chicken laid. Oh and I don't want to hear about butterflies either. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Would you like to receive faxes to your personal email address? You can with mBox. Visit http://www.mbox.com.au/fax