From jens at cyber.com.au Thu Aug 1 23:38:47 2002 From: jens at cyber.com.au (Jens Porup) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:38 2004 Subject: randal schwartz next tues. Message-ID: <20020802043846.GE25325@peanut.office.cyber.com.au> Does anyone know the whens and wheres of next tuesday's free talk? I've poked around the SAGE-AU website with no luck... Jens From pjf at perltraining.com.au Fri Aug 2 00:39:43 2002 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:38 2004 Subject: randal schwartz next tues. In-Reply-To: <20020802043846.GE25325@peanut.office.cyber.com.au> References: <20020802043846.GE25325@peanut.office.cyber.com.au> Message-ID: <20020802053942.GA13160@mukc.org.au> G'day Melb.PM, On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 02:38:47PM +1000, Jens Porup wrote: > Does anyone know the whens and wheres of next tuesday's free talk? Randal's running his PROM (Packages, References, Objects and Modules) course as an all-day tutorial on Tuesday. AFAIK it's not a free talk, though, you're looking at around a $400 registration fee to attend (if there's any space left). All the best, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From jens at cyber.com.au Fri Aug 2 00:53:14 2002 From: jens at cyber.com.au (Jens Porup) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:38 2004 Subject: randal schwartz next tues. In-Reply-To: <20020802053942.GA13160@mukc.org.au> References: <20020802043846.GE25325@peanut.office.cyber.com.au> <20020802053942.GA13160@mukc.org.au> Message-ID: <20020802055314.GG25325@peanut.office.cyber.com.au> At the last perl mongers meeting, Mike Ciaverella, one of the SAGE-AU organisers, dropped by to say that next Tuesday night Randal's doing a free evening lecture. Unless I misunderstood, I'm pretty sure something of the like has been organised.... Jens On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 03:39:43PM +1000, Paul Fenwick wrote: > G'day Melb.PM, > > On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 02:38:47PM +1000, Jens Porup wrote: > > > Does anyone know the whens and wheres of next tuesday's free talk? > > Randal's running his PROM (Packages, References, Objects and Modules) > course as an all-day tutorial on Tuesday. AFAIK it's not a free > talk, though, you're looking at around a $400 registration fee > to attend (if there's any space left). > > All the best, > > Paul > > -- > Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ > Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 > Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From pjf at perltraining.com.au Sat Aug 3 02:56:05 2002 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:38 2004 Subject: randal schwartz next tues. In-Reply-To: <20020802055314.GG25325@peanut.office.cyber.com.au> References: <20020802043846.GE25325@peanut.office.cyber.com.au> <20020802053942.GA13160@mukc.org.au> <20020802055314.GG25325@peanut.office.cyber.com.au> Message-ID: <20020803075605.GB19545@mukc.org.au> On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 03:53:14PM +1000, Jens Porup wrote: > > At the last perl mongers meeting, Mike Ciaverella, one of the > SAGE-AU organisers, dropped by to say that next Tuesday night > Randal's doing a free evening lecture. > > Unless I misunderstood, I'm pretty sure something of the like has been > organised.... You're absolutely right, there is a public talk. I believe the title is "Just Another Convicted Perl Hacker", and will be on the Melbourne University campus somewhere. I'm afraid that I don't have any more details than that. When I find out more, I'll let you all know. :) Cheers, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From scottp at dd.com.au Sun Aug 4 16:12:32 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:38 2004 Subject: Perl in a Nutshell Message-ID: Great news. O'Reilly have come through again and sent us a copy of Perl in a Nutshell 2nd edition covering perl 5.8 We will be adding it to our growing Melbourne.PM collection. This along with the other books will be available for loan at the next meeting, but please only take newer books (such as this one) if you are going to write a 1 paragraph (or longer) review that we can send back to O'Reilly, not only out of politeness but also so that we continue to get freebies :-) Also I can make any of the books available between meetings at our office front desk on request. So if you need to borrow one of the books and you are able to come here (myinternet, Level 8, 14 Blackwood Street, North Melbourne) to pick it up, please email me. Scott -- Scott Penrose Anthropomorphic Personification Expert http://search.cpan.org/search?author=SCOTT scott@cpan.org Dismaimer: While every attempt has been made to make sure that this email only contains zeros and ones, there has been no effort made to guarantee the quantity or the order. From pjf at perltraining.com.au Sun Aug 4 18:29:48 2002 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:38 2004 Subject: Meeting THIS WEDNESDAY Message-ID: <20020804232948.GA30508@mukc.org.au> G'day Everyone, Just a reminder that the next Perl Mongers meeting is THIS WEDNESDAY 7th July, 2002. I'm going to send out a proper reminder in just a moment. :) All the best, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From pjf at perltraining.com.au Sun Aug 4 20:18:59 2002 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:38 2004 Subject: Melb.PM talk this Wednesday, agenda and details Message-ID: <20020805011859.GH30508@mukc.org.au> G'day Everyone, Just a reminder that the next Melbourne Perl Monger's meeting will be this Wednesday, 7th August. Thanks to everyone to pointed out that I keep getting the month wrong. :) This month's talk will be presented by Rob Casey, who will talk about CGI::Application, state-based CGI, and temporary files in Perl 5.8.0. The whens and wheres are: Wednesday 7th August, 6:30pm Level 8, myinternet House 14 Blackwood St, North Melbourne I'm looking forward to seeing you all there! Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From david_dick at mbox.com.au Mon Aug 5 18:34:06 2002 From: david_dick at mbox.com.au (David Dick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:38 2004 Subject: randal schwartz next tues. Message-ID: so, the question of today.... where the hell is randal? ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Fenwick Date: Saturday, August 3, 2002 5:56 pm Subject: Re: randal schwartz next tues. > On Fri, Aug 02, 2002 at 03:53:14PM +1000, Jens Porup wrote: > > > > At the last perl mongers meeting, Mike Ciaverella, one of the > > SAGE-AU organisers, dropped by to say that next Tuesday night > > Randal's doing a free evening lecture. > > > > Unless I misunderstood, I'm pretty sure something of the like has > been> organised.... > > You're absolutely right, there is a public talk. I believe the > title is "Just Another Convicted Perl Hacker", and will be > on the Melbourne University campus somewhere. I'm afraid that I > don't have any more details than that. When I find out more, > I'll let you all know. :) > > Cheers, > > Paul > > -- > Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ > Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 > Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 > --------------------------------------------------------------------- Never lose a fax again, receive faxes to your personal email account! Visit http://www.mbox.com.au/fax From pjf at perltraining.com.au Mon Aug 5 19:52:52 2002 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:38 2004 Subject: Where is Randal -- confirmed (sort of) Message-ID: <20020806005252.GE4056@mukc.org.au> G'day Everyone, Yes, Randal is in Melbourne. Yes, Randal will be doing a talk. Yes, it will be at the University of Melbourne. No, it won't be tonight (anymore). I managed to get in contact with the right people at SAGE-AU, and it seems the reason we don't know about the whens and wheres of the talk is that it hasn't been finalised yet. It definitely won't be happening tonight, but is currently scheduled for Friday evening. I'm waiting on a few phone-calls, and should know more early afternoon. All the best, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From pjf at perltraining.com.au Mon Aug 5 23:35:19 2002 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:38 2004 Subject: Where is Randal on Friday? Message-ID: <20020806043519.GI4056@mukc.org.au> G'day All, Just got off the phone from Mike C from SAGE-AU. The Randal talk is (tenatively) 2pm - 4pm this Friday, on the University of Melbourne somewhere. I'm hoping to have confirmation on the exact location this evening. 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How many people should we be expecting tonight? Just so that I can prepare some handouts if necessary. Regards, Rob Rob Casey Business Manager, Senior IT Consultant Cowsnet Internet and Professional Services http://www.cowsnet.com.au -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3222 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/melbourne-pm/attachments/20020807/82df7802/smime.bin From pjf at perltraining.com.au Wed Aug 7 00:51:08 2002 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:38 2004 Subject: How many people tonight? In-Reply-To: <002e01c23dd6$05e73790$0100a8c0@cowsnetw2kp> References: <20020806043519.GI4056@mukc.org.au> <002e01c23dd6$05e73790$0100a8c0@cowsnetw2kp> Message-ID: <20020807055107.GC12585@mukc.org.au> On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 03:48:01PM +1000, Rob wrote: > Just a quick one ... > > How many people should we be expecting tonight? Just so that I can > prepare some handouts if necessary. We usually number around 20-30, but I'm not always very good at estimating how many people exist in a room. Cheers, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From daniel at landmarksoftware.com.au Wed Aug 7 01:08:42 2002 From: daniel at landmarksoftware.com.au (Daniel Walmsley) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:38 2004 Subject: How many people tonight? Message-ID: <10328A423AC2D311AE5B0008C70FE564278E2D@LANDNT> Not me! So make that 19-29. Me sick, me see doctor... thinking of creating the modules Vomit::Projectile and Ailment::Serious... ;) Dan -----Original Message----- From: Paul Fenwick [mailto:pjf@perltraining.com.au] Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2002 3:51 PM To: Rob Cc: 'Melbourne Perl Mongers' Subject: Re: How many people tonight? On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 03:48:01PM +1000, Rob wrote: > Just a quick one ... > > How many people should we be expecting tonight? Just so that I can > prepare some handouts if necessary. We usually number around 20-30, but I'm not always very good at estimating how many people exist in a room. Cheers, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From Adam.Clarke at StrategicData.com.au Wed Aug 7 01:24:42 2002 From: Adam.Clarke at StrategicData.com.au (Adam Clarke) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:38 2004 Subject: How many people tonight? References: <10328A423AC2D311AE5B0008C70FE564278E2D@LANDNT> Message-ID: <3D50BD2A.40605@StrategicData.com.au> Seems to be going about. In the interest of namespace tidyness I propse Illness::Symptom::Vomit::Projectile Illness::Severity::Serious Would like to add Illness::Symptom::Stool::Aqueous and Illness::Symptom::Snot::Copious (this one seems to hit after the others have mostly resolved). Count me out also. Cheers Adam Daniel Walmsley wrote: >Not me! So make that 19-29. Me sick, me see doctor... thinking of creating >the modules Vomit::Projectile and Ailment::Serious... ;) > >Dan > >-----Original Message----- >From: Paul Fenwick [mailto:pjf@perltraining.com.au] >Sent: Wednesday, 7 August 2002 3:51 PM >To: Rob >Cc: 'Melbourne Perl Mongers' >Subject: Re: How many people tonight? > > >On Wed, Aug 07, 2002 at 03:48:01PM +1000, Rob wrote: > > >>Just a quick one ... >> >>How many people should we be expecting tonight? Just so that I can >>prepare some handouts if necessary. >> >> > >We usually number around 20-30, but I'm not always very good at estimating >how many people exist in a room. > >Cheers, > > Paul > > > From jens at cyber.com.au Wed Aug 7 21:03:25 2002 From: jens at cyber.com.au (Jens Porup) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:38 2004 Subject: munging 3B2 to HTML Message-ID: <20020808020325.GE41@peanut.office.cyber.com.au> greetings all. I need to munge a large database marked up in a proprietary markup language called 3B2 into HTML. Does anyone have any experience with 3B2? (It's a product of Advent Publishing in the UK...) Jens From Adam.Clarke at StrategicData.com.au Wed Aug 7 23:37:42 2002 From: Adam.Clarke at StrategicData.com.au (Adam Clarke) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:38 2004 Subject: Perl Monger News References: <10328A423AC2D311AE5B0008C70FE564278E2D@LANDNT> <3D50BD2A.40605@StrategicData.com.au> Message-ID: <3D51F596.6050906@StrategicData.com.au> Just noticed this on the Perl.com. website >Good news from the Perl Mongers! At a Perl Foundation meeting at >the Open Source Convention, Dave Cross, founder and spiritual >leader of London Perl Mongers, volunteered for the thankless task >of being Perl Mongers User Group Coordinator. Assisted by his >able orange sidekick Leon Brocard, they plan to rejuvenate the >Perl Mongers site and bring Perl Mongers groups together. > Perhaps I'll get a reply to my question about an extra melbourne.pm mailing list soon :) Cheers Adam From jarich at perltraining.com.au Thu Aug 8 01:50:41 2002 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:38 2004 Subject: Randal Talk! Message-ID: Mike Ciavarella has finally organised the details for Randall's talk and told me about them. Details are: Date: Friday 9th August Time: 2:15pm location: B1.24 SEECS Bouverie Street, Parkville (To get to B1.24 go in the northern doors, down the stairs into the basement and it should be right in front of you.) For pretty flyer to wave about at collegues go to: http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/mu-csa/randal.pdf Jacinta -- ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ | Jacinta Richardson | `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) | Perl Training Australia | (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' | +613 9354 6001 | _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' | contact@perltraining.com.au | (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' | www.perltraining.com.au | From jens at cyber.com.au Thu Aug 8 19:10:45 2002 From: jens at cyber.com.au (Jens Porup) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:38 2004 Subject: Randal Talk! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020809001045.GB11519@peanut.office.cyber.com.au> umm....my Melways shows Bouverie Street, but what does "B1.24 SEECS" mean for those of us not affiliated with the Uni of Melbourne? Jens On Thu, Aug 08, 2002 at 04:50:41PM +1000, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > > Mike Ciavarella has finally organised the details for Randall's talk and > told me about them. Details are: > > Date: Friday 9th August > Time: 2:15pm > location: B1.24 SEECS > Bouverie Street, Parkville > > (To get to B1.24 go in the northern doors, down the stairs into the > basement and it should be right in front of you.) > > For pretty flyer to wave about at collegues go to: > > http://www.cs.mu.oz.au/mu-csa/randal.pdf > > Jacinta > > > -- > ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ | Jacinta Richardson | > `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) | Perl Training Australia | > (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' | +613 9354 6001 | > _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' | contact@perltraining.com.au | > (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' | www.perltraining.com.au | From rickm at isite.net.au Thu Aug 8 20:24:44 2002 From: rickm at isite.net.au (Rick Measham) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:38 2004 Subject: Randal's Talk Message-ID: Do I need to book in or anything? Is it a $$$ thing? -- -------------------------------------------------------- iSite Technology Consultants - Internet and PC Consulting - Software and Web development - Database design and administration -------------------------------------------------------- 5 Kay Court Yallambie 3085 http://www.isite.net.au (03) 9457 2045 -------------------------------------------------------- From pjf at perltraining.com.au Thu Aug 8 20:33:48 2002 From: pjf at perltraining.com.au (Paul Fenwick) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:38 2004 Subject: Randal's Talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020809013348.GD23744@mukc.org.au> On Fri, Aug 09, 2002 at 11:24:44AM +1000, Rick Measham wrote: > Do I need to book in or anything? Is it a $$$ thing? Nope. It's free. Just turn up. :) Cheers, Paul -- Paul Fenwick | http://perltraining.com.au/ Director of Training | Ph: +61 3 9354 6001 Perl Training Australia | Fax: +61 3 9354 2681 From jarich at perltraining.com.au Thu Aug 8 20:37:18 2002 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Randal Talk! In-Reply-To: <20020809001045.GB11519@peanut.office.cyber.com.au> Message-ID: > umm....my Melways shows Bouverie Street, but what does > > "B1.24 SEECS" > > mean for those of us not affiliated with the Uni of Melbourne? Good question. The SEECS building (Software & Electrical Engineering and Computer Science) is situated near the northern end of Bouverie street (on the western side). There'll be lots of bicycles tied up in front of it too (usually). B1.24 indicates we're in one of the two basement lecture theatres. Enter through the northern most doors and go down the stairs that'll appear on your right. From there the theatre should be right in front of you. Melbourne Uni Main Campus || ===========**============**===========**======= Grattan Street PA|| || || || ---|| || SEECS || || || || || || Swanston Street ============||===========|| Pelham st || Park ||=============== Pelham St || || || || PA - Prince Alfred Hotel Hope this helps. Jacinta -- ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ | Jacinta Richardson | `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) | Perl Training Australia | (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' | +613 9354 6001 | _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' | contact@perltraining.com.au | (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' | www.perltraining.com.au | From jarich at perltraining.com.au Thu Aug 8 20:38:24 2002 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Randal's Talk In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Do I need to book in or anything? Is it a $$$ thing? > -- Nope, but turn up early if you want a seat. It's a public lecture and therefore free. Jacinta PS: this doesn't mean that Randall might not ask you for donations to his favourite cause or such, it just means that the talk itself is free. From newsletters at the-financial-news.com Fri Aug 9 04:37:03 2002 From: newsletters at the-financial-news.com (The Financial News) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Development countries. News in brief Message-ID: The Financial News, August 2002 Production Mini-plants in mobile containers. Co-investment Program "...Science Network will supply to countries and developing regions the technology and the necessary support for the production in series of Mini-plants in mobile containers (40-foot). The Mini-plant system is designed in such a way that all the production machinery is fixed on the platform of the container, with all wiring, piping, and installation parts; that is to say, they are fully equipped... and the mini-plant is ready for production." 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(This is using the pod2html tool that comes with ActiveState Perl for Windows, in case that makes a difference). I have tried a number of (what seemed like sensible) alternatives, read the POD sections of "Perl in a Nutshell" and "Programming Perl" and I am none of the wiser. Is it possible to do cross-document links and, if so, how? Thanks Graeme -- Graeme Cross From FrederickEnt. at datasys.cz Fri Aug 16 05:44:28 2002 From: FrederickEnt. at datasys.cz (Telcom Services) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Eliminate Travel Expenses! Message-ID: <000068b72851$00004a11$00006609@mail.uch.gr> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Graeme ObDisclaimer: don't work for them, just buy cheap computer books from them :) -- Graeme Cross From rendler at rendler.org Mon Aug 19 21:35:06 2002 From: rendler at rendler.org (Robert Rendler) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Cheap Perl books In-Reply-To: <200208172028.15783.gcross@alphalink.com.au> References: <200208172028.15783.gcross@alphalink.com.au> Message-ID: <20020820123506.450e3c97.rendler@rendler.org> On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:28:15 +1000 Graeme Cross wrote: > The Collins bookshop in Swanston St, opposite RMIT, has a number of Perl > books on special at the moment. > > For example, they had several copies of Damian Conway's "OO Perl" book for > $19.95, the 3rd edition (covers Perl 5.6) of the Perl Pocket reference, > Dubois's "MySQL and Perl for the web", the Perl cookbook for thirty-something > > dollars, etc. > > Thought people might be interested. > Just picked up Damian's book, great tip-off, great bargain, thanks :) From scottp at dd.com.au Mon Aug 19 21:54:17 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Cheap Perl books In-Reply-To: <20020820123506.450e3c97.rendler@rendler.org> Message-ID: <1E785BB2-B3E8-11D6-B2DE-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> We loved the bargain so much, we bought a copy for every developer at our work :-) Scott On Tuesday, August 20, 2002, at 12:35 , Robert Rendler wrote: > On Sat, 17 Aug 2002 20:28:15 +1000 > Graeme Cross wrote: > >> The Collins bookshop in Swanston St, opposite RMIT, has a number of >> Perl >> books on special at the moment. >> >> For example, they had several copies of Damian Conway's "OO Perl" book >> for >> $19.95, the 3rd edition (covers Perl 5.6) of the Perl Pocket reference, >> Dubois's "MySQL and Perl for the web", the Perl cookbook for >> thirty-something >> >> dollars, etc. >> >> Thought people might be interested. >> > > Just picked up Damian's book, great tip-off, great bargain, thanks :) > > > -- Scott Penrose Open source developer http://linux.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: Open sauce usually ends up never coming out (of the bottle). From scottp at dd.com.au Tue Aug 20 18:27:50 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Red Hat, RPMs and Perl In-Reply-To: <200208202154.40735.gcross@alphalink.com.au> Message-ID: <71E3CCD6-B494-11D6-83F8-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> On Tuesday, August 20, 2002, at 09:54 , Graeme Cross wrote: > As some of you know, I have just installed a Red Hat system at home and > am > slowly reacquainting myself with Red Hat. I thought you had moved to FreeBSD ? > I am a bit stumped on managing Perl modules that don't come with the > standard > 7.3 distribution (eg. CPAN) via RPM. > > With Debian, almost any Perl module I wanted was available as a .deb > package. One problem we have faced at myinternet is that you can't use two package management systems. On my laptop and on my workstation (both debian) I am happy to mix installation from packages and via CPAN, but sometimes it means manually finding stuff and removing it. eg: if you install a newer version of a module, the pm you run may look in the wrong location for the xs file. But that is fine, I find that it does not take much management However on our deployed servers we made the decision to never use CPAN. What we do instead is make our own .deb of the CPAN module. But it is easy for debian, you just use dh-make-perl and it does it all for you :-) > With FreeBSD, many modules were available from the ports system. If it > wasn't, > then went I downloaded something from CPAN and did 'perl > Makefile.PL;make > install', it would register as a port. > > Both systems work nicely: you can easily install Perl modules, upgrade, > remove, know what you've installed, etc. What is the difference ? > I am damned if I can figure out how to do something similar with Red > Hat. > What I want is to be able to easily install/manage/upgrade/remove Perl > modules > (eg. from CPAN) using RPM. From CPAN using RPM... Does any system have that? You could do it in Debian by always building a .deb with dh-make-perl, but I would personally find that too slow as you would have to build every one of the dependencies. The biggest problem is the way people bundle. Debian has a nice naming convention. If I build my Device::ParallelPort then it would be libdevice-parallelport-perl So you can easily determine if things are available. It has always been a dream of mine to make it that the packages fit that way. Then we could have CPAN style module that, on doing a dependency check does a install from the package name if it already exists. Plus it could even create dummy packages, or the real packages and install them. Of course this could mean that we could have a fully automated system of building ALL CPAN modules as debian packages fully almost fully automatically (couple of things are done manually which we could insert expect scripts for) and even automatically insert all the dependencies. EXCEPT, that lots of the perl modules (both in base Perl, Debian, RedHat and FreeBSD) are personal preference combinations. Thus we have no way of knowing automatically what is in those packages. > I was hoping that 'perl Makefile.PL; make install' would hook into RPM > as it > does with FreeBSD. It doesn't seem to. Can you explain how it work in FreeBSD. ie: What does it actually hook into ? Can someone explain how it keeps track of files installed and names and versions and dependencies ? And how does it hook into the above (perl Makefile.pl; make install) when they are standard perl modules. > So: Red Hat users -- given the small number of Perl modules that come > with Red > Hat, how do you manage Perl modules from other sources (eg CPAN). BTW. Doing a "perl Makefile.pl; make install" is not as sensible as using CPAN. If you use CPAN you at least pick up all the dependencies and keep track of what is installed. > a) Do you just do a 'make install' and bypass RPM? > b) Is there a net repository of Perl module RPM packages that I've > missed? > c) Do you roll your own RPM for each module? (If you do, I salute you! > It > seems a lot of effort). CPAN is fairly well structured and predictable. I am still at a loss at wondering why there isn't a repository of built CPAN packages for all of RedHat, FreeBSD and Debian, we are so close to making this possible. You know when you think something is logical it must already exist - well it must already exist :-) Scott > Thanks in advance, > Graeme > > -- > Graeme Cross > > > - > To unsubscribe send 'unsubscribe programmers-sig' to > majordomo@luv.asn.au > > > -- Scott Penrose Anthropomorphic Personification Expert http://search.cpan.org/search?author=SCOTT scott@cpan.org Dismaimer: While every attempt has been made to make sure that this email only contains zeros and ones, there has been no effort made to guarantee the quantity or the order. From jh_lists at fastmail.fm Tue Aug 20 20:34:16 2002 From: jh_lists at fastmail.fm (JP Howard) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Red Hat, RPMs and Perl Message-ID: <20020821013416.10EF8936DA@server2.fastmail.fm> On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:27:50 +1000, "Scott Penrose" said: > However on our deployed servers we made the decision to never use > CPAN. What we do instead is make our own .deb of the CPAN module. > But it is easy for debian, you just use dh-make-perl and it does it > all for you Yes, you have to pick one or t'other... We chose the opposite and never use packages--always CPAN. > CPAN is fairly well structured and predictable. I am still at a loss > at wondering why there isn't a repository of built CPAN packages for > all of RedHat, FreeBSD and Debian, we are so close to making this > possible. You know when you think something is logical it must > already exist - well it must already exist :-) > For precompiled packages, I guess ActiveState PPM is the repository of choice. From scottp at dd.com.au Tue Aug 20 20:50:28 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Red Hat, RPMs and Perl In-Reply-To: <20020821013416.10EF8936DA@server2.fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <5E31187C-B4A8-11D6-8290-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 01:34 , JP Howard wrote: > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:27:50 +1000, "Scott Penrose" > said: >> However on our deployed servers we made the decision to never use >> CPAN. What we do instead is make our own .deb of the CPAN module. >> But it is easy for debian, you just use dh-make-perl and it does it >> all for you > > Yes, you have to pick one or t'other... We chose the opposite and never > use packages--always CPAN. Well that would mean that anything depending on perl modules would fail, unless you create a dummy package for each of those dependencies. So we choose not to do that, also all our developed packages are already in debian format. >> CPAN is fairly well structured and predictable. I am still at a loss >> at wondering why there isn't a repository of built CPAN packages for >> all of RedHat, FreeBSD and Debian, we are so close to making this >> possible. You know when you think something is logical it must >> already exist - well it must already exist :-) >> > For precompiled packages, I guess ActiveState PPM is the repository > of choice. They are not in Red Hat or Debian format, which is what I mean. So if I write a bit of softwrae called 'fred' I can just depend on the perl modules I use, I could even just depend on 'libio-file-perl' and it would exist, even though it is standard part of perl (ie: a dummy package in that case). Then we have a one to one mapping of perl modules to debian packages (or redhat, bsd etc) :-) Scott -- Scott Penrose Open source developer http://linux.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: Open sauce usually ends up never coming out (of the bottle). From Adam.Clarke at StrategicData.com.au Tue Aug 20 20:49:28 2002 From: Adam.Clarke at StrategicData.com.au (Adam Clarke) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Red Hat, RPMs and Perl References: <20020821013416.10EF8936DA@server2.fastmail.fm> Message-ID: <3D62F1A8.7040404@StrategicData.com.au> I have been considering this lately for out app servers. We use Debian and it tends to use perl for all sorts of admin duties which means that futzing with its version of Perl is to be done with care. I am leaning towards a /usr/local version of Perl so that I can easily update that (using CPAN). It would form the basis of out application and we won't have to worry about updating our entire OS just because Perl 5.8.1 has some u-bute feature we feel we really need. What do people think of this approach? Can you see any downside? JP Howard wrote: >On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:27:50 +1000, "Scott Penrose" > said: > > >>However on our deployed servers we made the decision to never use >>CPAN. What we do instead is make our own .deb of the CPAN module. >>But it is easy for debian, you just use dh-make-perl and it does it >>all for you >> >> > >Yes, you have to pick one or t'other... We chose the opposite and never >use packages--always CPAN. > > From simon at unisolve.com.au Tue Aug 20 21:25:27 2002 From: simon at unisolve.com.au (Simon Taylor) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Red Hat, RPMs and Perl In-Reply-To: <5E31187C-B4A8-11D6-8290-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> References: <5E31187C-B4A8-11D6-8290-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> Message-ID: <200208211225.28110.simon@unisolve.com.au> Linux and perl folks, > > For precompiled packages, I guess ActiveState PPM is the repository > > of choice. > > They are not in Red Hat or Debian format, which is what I mean. Our 10c worth is that we have taken the CPAN only approach on our servers and on all our clients servers. We remove the vendors packages completely, install perl from source and use the CPAN module to install everything else. This *so* much simplifies issues like building mod_perl apache and installing other xs modules. Your .deb and .rpm files are all very well, but dammit, this is perl! ;-) Regards, Simon Taylor -- Unisolve Pty Ltd - Melbourne, Australia +61 3 9568 2005 From jh_lists at fastmail.fm Tue Aug 20 21:48:10 2002 From: jh_lists at fastmail.fm (JP Howard) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Red Hat, RPMs and Perl Message-ID: <20020821024810.64DC39373C@server2.fastmail.fm> On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:25:27 +1000, "Simon Taylor" said: > We remove the vendors packages completely, install perl from source > and use the CPAN module to install everything else. > > This *so* much simplifies issues like building mod_perl apache and > installing other xs modules. > Exactly. We do the same thing for the same reason. CPAN handles dependencies very nicely by itself. The only annoying thing is that a small number of packages have interactive makefiles. Grrr... As Scott mentioned, this does mean lying to your packager of choice about your Perl install (such as through installing a dummy package of Perl itself), but such deception is sometimes justified. Mind you, take my advice with a grain of salt--I'm mainly working with servers rather than desktops, and install the majority of stuff from source. So I'm not really into packages into general... From scottp at dd.com.au Tue Aug 20 22:18:27 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Red Hat, RPMs and Perl In-Reply-To: <20020821024810.64DC39373C@server2.fastmail.fm> Message-ID: On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 02:48 , JP Howard wrote: > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 12:25:27 +1000, "Simon Taylor" > said: >> We remove the vendors packages completely, install perl from source >> and use the CPAN module to install everything else. >> >> This *so* much simplifies issues like building mod_perl apache and >> installing other xs modules. >> > Exactly. We do the same thing for the same reason. CPAN handles > dependencies very nicely by itself. The only annoying thing is that a > small number of packages have interactive makefiles. Grrr... > > As Scott mentioned, this does mean lying to your packager of choice > about your Perl install (such as through installing a dummy package of > Perl itself), but such deception is sometimes justified. > > Mind you, take my advice with a grain of salt--I'm mainly working with > servers rather than desktops, and install the majority of stuff from > source. So I'm not really into packages into general... on my home server I use CPAN. Coz that is my computer. In our work we maintain over 200 servers, all done by APT and Debian packages. CPAN requires way to much user intervention, so we can't automate it. Scott -- Scott Penrose Open source developer http://linux.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: Open sauce usually ends up never coming out (of the bottle). From scottp at dd.com.au Tue Aug 20 22:21:35 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Red Hat, RPMs and Perl In-Reply-To: <3D62F1A8.7040404@StrategicData.com.au> Message-ID: <19480229-B4B5-11D6-8290-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 11:49 , Adam Clarke wrote: > I have been considering this lately for out app servers. We use Debian > and it tends to use perl for all sorts of admin duties which means that > futzing with its version of Perl is to be done with care. > > I am leaning towards a /usr/local version of Perl so that I can easily > update that (using CPAN). It would form the basis of out application > and we won't have to worry about updating our entire OS just because > Perl 5.8.1 has some u-bute feature we feel we really need. > > What do people think of this approach? Can you see any downside? I was consdiering that too. That way you could also do a upgrade to 5.8 (or any newer version than in debian). the problem I would have is package names. How do we install Template Toolkit eg: libtemplate-perl. What if we want a 5.8 compiled version (Template toolkit has a bit of C code which must be recompiled to work with 5.8) and the 5.6 version (maybe it was needed by another package). Tricky.... What we have thought about can't really be done, but that is to use mini perl (special directories and all) for stuff that is REQUIRED by Debian. Then you can use any version of perl, just like you can use alternate versions of Apache. You could just changes your sources line . Scott > JP Howard wrote: > >> On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:27:50 +1000, "Scott Penrose" >> said: >> >>> However on our deployed servers we made the decision to never use >>> CPAN. What we do instead is make our own .deb of the CPAN module. >>> But it is easy for debian, you just use dh-make-perl and it does it >>> all for you >>> >> >> Yes, you have to pick one or t'other... We chose the opposite and never >> use packages--always CPAN. >> > > > > > -- Scott Penrose Anthropomorphic Personification Expert http://search.cpan.org/search?author=SCOTT scott@cpan.org Dismaimer: While every attempt has been made to make sure that this email only contains zeros and ones, there has been no effort made to guarantee the quantity or the order. From scottp at dd.com.au Tue Aug 20 22:25:52 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Red Hat, RPMs and Perl In-Reply-To: <200208211225.28110.simon@unisolve.com.au> Message-ID: > This *so* much simplifies issues like building mod_perl apache and > installing > other xs modules. > > Your .deb and .rpm files are all very well, but dammit, this is > perl! ;-) > > Regards, > The trick is that Perl is just a bit of the computer, not the only thing on it. If I install mirror (a perl ftp mirror program) from Debian, I should not care that it needs perl, python or the C libs, it should just be automatic. For bulk management of servers that is essential. Dependencies is something we work on quite a bit. Unfortunately you just can't use both systems without what Graeme mentioned which is some way of creating 'dummy packages' on installation. Plus there is the manual install problem. CPAN tends to need lots of manual input. So my recommendation is exactly the opposite of Simons, which is to put more effort into using the one package system, and treat perl like you do python, apache, c, X, java, etc..... unless you only work on perl code in which case go for CPAN. Scott -- Scott Penrose Anthropomorphic Personification Expert http://search.cpan.org/search?author=SCOTT scott@cpan.org Dismaimer: While every attempt has been made to make sure that this email only contains zeros and ones, there has been no effort made to guarantee the quantity or the order. From joshua at roughtrade.net Tue Aug 20 22:42:37 2002 From: joshua at roughtrade.net (Joshua Goodall) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Red Hat, RPMs and Perl In-Reply-To: <200208211225.28110.simon@unisolve.com.au> References: <5E31187C-B4A8-11D6-8290-003065B58CF8@dd.com.au> <200208211225.28110.simon@unisolve.com.au> Message-ID: <20020821034236.GG89573@roughtrade.net> On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 12:25:27PM +1000, Simon Taylor wrote: > Our 10c worth is that we have taken the CPAN only approach on our servers and > on all our clients servers. > > We remove the vendors packages completely, install perl from source and use > the CPAN module to install everything else. FreeBSD 5.0's perl port will include a very nice facility called BSDPAN which basically integrates CPAN and the standard freebsd package system; that is, installing via CPAN results in a system package appearing that can then also be passed around. The general idea of abstracting ones package management to fit that of an upstream "vendor" seems to me very desirable. J From scottp at dd.com.au Tue Aug 20 23:01:52 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Red Hat, RPMs and Perl In-Reply-To: <20020821034236.GG89573@roughtrade.net> Message-ID: On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 01:42 , Joshua Goodall wrote: > On Wed, Aug 21, 2002 at 12:25:27PM +1000, Simon Taylor wrote: >> Our 10c worth is that we have taken the CPAN only approach on our >> servers and >> on all our clients servers. >> >> We remove the vendors packages completely, install perl from source >> and use >> the CPAN module to install everything else. > > FreeBSD 5.0's perl port will include a very nice facility called > BSDPAN which basically integrates CPAN and the standard freebsd > package system; that is, installing via CPAN results in a system > package appearing that can then also be passed around. > > The general idea of abstracting ones package management to fit that > of an upstream "vendor" seems to me very desirable. Perfect !. We will have to make DEBPAN. mh-make-perl is sooo close, but not the full automation. Scott -- Scott Penrose VP in charge of Pancakes http://linux.dd.com.au/ scottp@dd.com.au Dismaimer: If you receive this email in error - please eat it immediately to prevent it from falling into the wrong hands. From jh_lists at fastmail.fm Tue Aug 20 23:22:40 2002 From: jh_lists at fastmail.fm (JP Howard) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Red Hat, RPMs and Perl Message-ID: <20020821042240.810F993700@server2.fastmail.fm> On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 13:25:52 +1000, "Scott Penrose" said: > So my recommendation is exactly the opposite of Simons, which is to put > more effort into using the one package system, and treat perl like you > do python, apache, c, X, java, etc..... unless you only work on perl > code in which case go for CPAN. I'm sure both approaches can work. We use Expect scripts and similar to automate the bits that require intervention--this is rather a pain. As Simon mentioned, dealing with binary packages is quite a pain when it comes to XS, mod_perl, etc... So while both approaches work, both have their downsides. There's certainly room for improvement--something that takes the best of both worlds would sure be nice... integrating CPAN's build/dependency process into a system-wide packaging system and removing the need for interaction... From mjs at beebo.org Tue Aug 20 23:10:54 2002 From: mjs at beebo.org (Michael S.) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Red Hat, RPMs and Perl In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wednesday, August 21, 2002, at 01:18 , Scott Penrose wrote: > on my home server I use CPAN. Coz that is my computer. In our work we > maintain over 200 servers, all done by APT and Debian packages. CPAN > requires way to much user intervention, so we can't automate it. I use CPAN too, but I install into a home directory with "lperl", which is aliased to perl Makefile.PL LIB=$HOME/local/lib/CPAN INSTALLMAN1DIR=$HOME/local/man/man1 INSTALLMAN3DIR=$HOME/local/man/man3 INSTALLSCRIPT=$HOME/local/lib/CPAN/bin This way I can install new versions of e.g. LWP and not worry about busting my main Perl RPM. ($HOME/local/lib/perl is where my modules go.) This isn't such a good idea for server systems though I suppose. Actually, pretty much everything I compile from source ends up going into a home directory; my "lconfigure" (which lperl is analogous to) is aliased to ./configure --prefix=$HOME/local --exec-prefix=$HOME/local-$PLATFORM where $PLATFORM can be darwin, linux, sunos, etc. --M. * * * http://beebo.org From gcross at alphalink.com.au Wed Aug 21 02:46:28 2002 From: gcross at alphalink.com.au (Graeme Cross) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Red Hat, RPMs and Perl Message-ID: <20020821074628.D419F2FD48@server3.fastmail.fm> On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:27:50 +1000, "Scott Penrose" said: > > On Tuesday, August 20, 2002, at 09:54 , Graeme Cross wrote: > > > As some of you know, I have just installed a Red Hat system at home and > > am slowly reacquainting myself with Red Hat. > > I thought you had moved to FreeBSD ? I'm running a mix of Debian, FreeBSD and now Red Hat, which has become my main development box. > > So: Red Hat users -- given the small number of Perl modules that come > > with Red Hat, how do you manage Perl modules from other sources (eg CPAN). > > BTW. Doing a "perl Makefile.pl; make install" is not as sensible as > using CPAN. If you use CPAN you at least pick up all the dependencies > and keep track of what is installed. I had completely forgotten about using the CPAN module. This would address (at least) some of my issues. Under Windows, I use Activestate Perl and PPM, which works pretty well. Under Debian and FreeBSD, I used the appropriate package. With Red Hat, I had been manually downloading the appropriate tarball from CPAN, extracting and then doing "perl Makefile.pl; make install". Using the CPAN module is definitely a step up from that. Cheers Graeme -- Graeme Cross From wayland at smartchat.net.au Thu Aug 22 07:33:46 2002 From: wayland at smartchat.net.au (Timothy S. Nelson) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Red Hat, RPMs and Perl In-Reply-To: <20020821013416.10EF8936DA@server2.fastmail.fm> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 Aug 2002, JP Howard wrote: > On Wed, 21 Aug 2002 09:27:50 +1000, "Scott Penrose" > said: > > However on our deployed servers we made the decision to never use > > CPAN. What we do instead is make our own .deb of the CPAN module. > > But it is easy for debian, you just use dh-make-perl and it does it > > all for you > > Yes, you have to pick one or t'other... We chose the opposite and never > use packages--always CPAN. > > > CPAN is fairly well structured and predictable. I am still at a loss > > at wondering why there isn't a repository of built CPAN packages for > > all of RedHat, FreeBSD and Debian, we are so close to making this > > possible. You know when you think something is logical it must > > already exist - well it must already exist :-) > > > For precompiled packages, I guess ActiveState PPM is the repository > of choice. Hmm. I dunno about the others, but for Redhat, what you need is a spec file for the package. Then you whack the tgz on a test/building machine, put the spec in the SPEC directory, and use rpm -ba , and it will create you a beautiful RPM. Then all you have to do is copy it elsewhere, and rpm -Uvh or whatever. All we need is a spec file with every Perl module. :) --------------------------------------------------------------------- | Name: Tim Nelson | Because the Creator is, | | E-mail: wayland@smartchat.net.au | I am | --------------------------------------------------------------------- ----BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK---- Version 3.1 GCS d? s: a-- C++>++++$ US+ P++ L++ E- W+++ N+ w+> M-- V- Y+>++ PGP->++ R(+) !tv B++ DI++++ D+ G e>++ h!/* y- -----END GEEK CODE BLOCK----- From jens at cyber.com.au Mon Aug 26 23:05:58 2002 From: jens at cyber.com.au (Jens Porup) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: cpan/image magick In-Reply-To: <200208270341.g7R3fTk01675@its-mu-hestia.its.rmit.edu.au> References: <200208270341.g7R3fTk01675@its-mu-hestia.its.rmit.edu.au> Message-ID: <20020827040558.GG7496@peanut.office.cyber.com.au> Jason, well it's not just you, I get the same error when I try downloading Image::Magick using the CPAN module. I'm confused as to why rpms are even relevant if you were using the CPAN module (perl -MCPAN -e shell). Also, you're getting an older version, if you do an 'm Image::Magick' in the cpan shell I notice Module id = Image::Magick DESCRIPTION Read, query, transform, and write images CPAN_USERID JCRISTY (Cristy ) -> CPAN_VERSION 5.48 CPAN_FILE J/JC/JCRISTY/PerlMagick-5.48.tar.gz DSLI_STATUS RdcO (released,developer,C,object-oriented) INST_FILE (not installed) I'll leave it to my betters to poke holes in all of the above... (Speaking of which, I've cross-posted this to Perl Mongers, who may be able to help you too...) ;) Jens On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 01:41:29PM +1000, Jason Parlevliet wrote: > Hey all > > I'm trying to install the Image::Magick bundle through CPAN, but when it > tries to make it barfs and says > Magick.xs:76:24: magick/api.h: No such file or directory > > (I've put more output below) > > I've installed the ImageMagick devel RPMs > ImageMagick-perl-5.3.8-3 > ImageMagick-c++-devel-5.3.8-3 > ImageMagick-5.3.8-3 > ImageMagick-devel-5.3.8-3 > ImageMagick-c++-5.3.8-3 > > and the api.h file is here > /usr/X11R6/include/X11/magick/magick/api.h > > So how do I tell CPAN to look there? > > Jase > > MORE OUTPUT... > CPAN.pm: Going to build J/JC/JCRISTY/PerlMagick-5.48.tar.gz > > Checking if your kit is complete... > Looks good > Note (probably harmless): No library found for -llcms > Writing Makefile for Image::Magick > mkdir blib > mkdir blib/lib > mkdir blib/lib/Image > mkdir blib/arch > mkdir blib/arch/auto > mkdir blib/arch/auto/Image > mkdir blib/arch/auto/Image/Magick > mkdir blib/lib/auto > mkdir blib/lib/auto/Image > mkdir blib/lib/auto/Image/Magick > mkdir blib/man3 > cp Magick.pm blib/lib/Image/Magick.pm > AutoSplitting blib/lib/Image/Magick.pm (blib/lib/auto/Image/Magick) > /usr/bin/perl -I/usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-linux -I/usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0 > /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/ExtUtils/xsubpp -typemap > /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/ExtUtils/typemap Magick.xs > Magick.xsc && mv Magick.xsc > Magick.c > gcc -c -I../ -I.. -D_REENTRANT -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -I/usr/X11R6/include > -I/usr/X11R6/include/X11 -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libxml2 > -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -O2 -march=i386 -mcpu=i686 > -DVERSION=\"5.48\" -DXS_VERSION=\"5.48\" -fPIC > -I/usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-linux/CORE -DHAVE_CONFIG_H Magick.c > Magick.xs:76:24: magick/api.h: No such file or directory > make: *** [Magick.o] Error 1 > /usr/bin/make -- NOT OK > Running make test > Can't test without successful make > > > > -- > Jason Parlevliet > Technical Services Coordinator > RMIT - Art Design and Communication > > - > luv@luv.asn.au is for LINUX-RELATED POSTS ONLY. For details and information > on how to unsubscribe, see http://www.luv.asn.au/mailinglists.html. From jase at rmit.edu.au Tue Aug 27 00:59:46 2002 From: jase at rmit.edu.au (Jason Parlevliet) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: cpan/image magick Message-ID: > >Jason, > >well it's not just you, I get the same error when I try downloading >Image::Magick using the CPAN module. > >I'm confused as to why rpms are even relevant if you >were using the CPAN module (perl -MCPAN -e shell). Err, might be my ignorance. ImageMagick is it's own set of commands, I thought the Image::Magick perl module was a set of Perl interfaces to it or something? Jase From scottp at dd.com.au Tue Aug 27 07:59:04 2002 From: scottp at dd.com.au (Scott Penrose) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: cpan/image magick In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes absolutely. You have to install image magic development first. So that it can find the header files etc. Image::Magic is just a perl wrapper to the C API. You may also have to define the location of those files, sometimes with an environment variable, other times with a parameter to Makefile.PL Scott On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 03:59 , Jason Parlevliet wrote: >> >> Jason, >> >> well it's not just you, I get the same error when I try downloading >> Image::Magick using the CPAN module. >> >> I'm confused as to why rpms are even relevant if you >> were using the CPAN module (perl -MCPAN -e shell). > > Err, might be my ignorance. ImageMagick is it's own set of commands, I > thought the Image::Magick perl module was a set of Perl interfaces to > it or something? > > Jase > > > > -- Scott Penrose Anthropomorphic Personification Expert http://search.cpan.org/search?author=SCOTT scott@cpan.org Dismaimer: While every attempt has been made to make sure that this email only contains zeros and ones, there has been no effort made to guarantee the quantity or the order. From t.heller at eudoramail.com Tue Aug 27 23:12:42 2002 From: t.heller at eudoramail.com (Anthony Heller) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Application for Employment / Contract Work Message-ID: <200208280422.g7S4Jq826672@mail.pm.org> *** Please Note: Do Not Use your Reply button if you wish to respond to this email *** *** Please reply to thailandtony@hotmail.com *** Hello, I came across your website, and thought I would send you a copy of my CV / Resume (please scroll down the page) to see if you are in need of any help in promoting your site with regards to Search Engines or if your company requires any Accounting help. I am currently living in Thailand and would like to assist you in any way I can. Please contact me 015151302 or on thailandtony@hotmail.com and we can discuss your immediate needs. Thank you and have a nice day. Tony Heller ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------- Finance Manager / Accounting Consultant / LAN Administrator My name is Tony Heller and I am a 33-year-old Canadian male, presently living in Jomtien, Thailand. I am seeking employment as a Finance Manager or for contract work as an Independent Consultant for a company based in South East Asia. I am willing to re-locate anywhere in Thailand and would also consider a position in another South East Asian country. I recently moved to Thailand, largely as a result of September 11th, after eight years of living and working in Indonesia. (I worked for four years in Jakarta and another four in Bali.) I can speak Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian language) fluently. I am a Certified General Accountant and have a Finance Degree from the British Columbia Institute of Technology located in Vancouver, B.C. Canada. I have held positions as both Finance Manager and Computer Consultant for several large companies in Asia. My primary roles have been consolidating accounting data and organizing that data into clear and precise Financial Statements that Managers, Directors and Owners can clearly understand. My past 3 years were spent building Bali System Development, a computer software company that focuses on writing software databases, multi media presentations and general LAN support issues. As an owner of that company with 30 programming staff, I have a great deal of experience with regard to most computerized accounting methods and solutions. I have especially worked extensively with ACCPAC, MYOB and Peachtree. Personal Information My Background I lived with my family in West Vancouver, B.C. Canada until I attended University. I was actively involved in many sports and excelled at soccer and gymnastics during my younger years. After high school, I worked on a kibbutz in Israel for 6 months and then backpacked through most of Asia, the Middle East and Europe. Upon my return to Vancouver in 1987, I enrolled, and completed my degree in the Finance Management program at The British Columbia Institute of Technology (B.C.I.T). After graduating, I enrolled in the final two-year program of the Certified General Accountants of Canada at night, and worked for Azcom Information Systems in Vancouver as a Network Engineer during the day. After passing the Certified Network Engineer Program, also at B.C.I.T., I was promoted to the role as LAN Administrator of the British Columbia Medical Association and was in charge of more than 400 personal computers running on a Novell network. In 1994, I decided to take my skills and expertise to Asia, and seek employment. I moved to Jakarta, Indonesia and started consulting for companies, generally helping them computerize their accounting systems, troubleshooting various LAN problems, and assisting in any Internet (Website) assistance required. In 1997 I left Jakarta to take on the position of Finance Manager for the Bali Golf and Country Club. I worked there for 1 1/2 years and decided to leave the position and open my own company. Bali didn't have any professional computer companies, at that time, so I opened Bali System Development. ("BSD") BSD grew from 4 programmers to 30 in two years. (Our clientele included more than 75 companies and individuals. Business was very good until September 11th. In November 2001, I moved my family to Pattaya, Thailand. BSD is still a functional company with 15 programmers and is currently being run by my partner. I, however, am now a silent partner and am seeking employment as either a Finance Manager or Accounting Consultant in South East Asia. I would also consider the position as a LAN Administrator or any position that utilizes my skills and expertise. I am willing to re-locate if necessary, on either a salaried or hourly contract work basis. I can utilize the programmers at Bali System Development to help with any necessary programming that may be required. If you have any further questions regarding my background, please email me. Education I spent my teenage years studying at Hillside Secondary School in West Vancouver, B.C. Canada. Shortly after graduation, in 1986, I attended The British Columbia Institute of Technology in Burnaby, B.C. I completed the Finance Management Program that gave me the required knowledge and school grades to have completed my third year of the Certified General Accountants of Canada program. The program was 2 years of full time study primarily based on both Accounting and Computers. I spent the next two years being educated during the day working as one of three Network Technicians on a 400 user Local Area Network and during the evenings taking courses to complete the C.G.A program in the evenings. Interests I really enjoy keeping up to date with software and utilities available on the Internet. I have a large collection of "gadgets" that can solve most computer difficulties or problems. I enjoy my MP3 music collection; play golf and tennis when I have time, and follow most professional sports with great interest. How I can assist you? My experience in owning a company has made me much more aware of the need in any business setting, to exercise practical judgment insofar as being cost effective and budget conscious is concerned. Essentially, I can assist you by being getting an assignment or task completed in a time efficient and professional manner. Accounting Consultancy As I am a Certified General Accountant and am very well versed with all Microsoft Office Programs, I am able to prepare reports and presentations requested by Senior Management. I have worked extensively with Tax Reporting, Payroll Management, Balance Sheets and Income Statements, Inventory and Stock Control and Job Costing. LAN Administration I have been an administrator of Local Area Networks (LANS) as small as two computers and as large as 400 pc's. I am very up to date with security issues within the LAN itself as well as Internet security in general. I have experience with : " Wide Area Networks, " Web servers " Mail servers " Exchange servers " Backup and media storage " Firewalls " Proxy Servers " Virus Protection Website Development & Management Over the past eight years, I have piloted the implementation and development of several static and dynamic websites, as well as web portals. I am quite proud of the overall look of the websites I have listed in this document. Within these websites you will find a combination of the following components. " ASP Programming " SQL Server Programming " Secure Online Payment Systems " Web Hosting " Search Engine Placement " Website Promotion " Flash Macromedia " Web based Email " Web Forums " Bandwidth Management " Website Marketing My Work History Accounting Consultancy I have assisted all of the following companies with their finances in one-way or another. I can give more details on a particular company if required. (Please note that the companies underlined below also have websites, with respect to which I have been consulted as well) " Gemdealers " Bali Golf and Country Club " Crystal Divers " Siemens " Bell Atlantic " Planet Hollywood " John Hardy Jewelry " Quicksilver " Bali Adventure Tours " Jani Silver " Amanusa Resorts " Banyan Tree Hotel Chain " Great Dividing Range " John Deere " Bio Systems Ltd. " Allstar's Caf? " Jazz Bar & Grille " Azcom Computer Systems " Maya Mandiri Gold " Bali Hai Cruises " Paul Turner Lighting " Bali Hai Cruises " Tropical Pools Bali " Sobek international Rafting " The Villas - Bali " Oberoi Hotel - Bali " Bali International Cricket Club " Kelana Website Development & Management I have managed the creation, design, implementation and upkeep of many websites over the past 10 years. I have listed 5 of the sites that I feel are my most impressive work. If you want to see additional sites I have worked with, please email me for a complete list. Tahiti1 (www.tahiti1.com) A very popular web portal that shows the use of several utilities that ensure clients are well taken care of. Examples include French and English, free email, automatic news updates, a forum and banner advertising control and management. Bali System Development (www.balisysdev.com) This is my own company's website that I managed. Inside this site are very good examples of flash, multimedia and graphics. There is also an online quotation system that asks a customer what they are interested in purchasing and calculates the totals for them. It then displays the results and then emails a copy directly to the person requesting the information. I don't see this facility on many websites. It is unique. Gemdealers.net (www.gemdealers.net) An extremely successful website that sells moissanite and includes an online payment system. This is a fantastic example of how proper search engine registration "pays off". Type Moissanite in virtually any search engine and you will see that Gemdealers.net is in the first results page. Wibowo Furniture (www.wibowocollection.com) A great example of a database-driven website that uses Microsoft SQL programming enabling the Webmaster to change products and prices inside a database, and then upload the new information instantaneously. Eyeline (www.eyeline.com.au) Eyeline is one of Australia's largest swimming wear companies. Another great example of how a database controls products and prices. I piloted this project from inception to its present day success. Contact me Tony Heller #309 - Supanee Towan Condominium's 391/22 M 10 Tuppraya Rd, Pattaya, Thailand 20260 Mobile Phone Number +6615151302 ICQ # 6240089 From gtts1 at cable.net.co Wed Aug 28 01:13:40 2002 From: gtts1 at cable.net.co (gtts1@cable.net.co) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Laser Toner Cartridges At Low Prices. Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/melbourne-pm/attachments/20020828/6346fd48/attachment.htm From gcross at alphalink.com.au Wed Aug 28 22:11:23 2002 From: gcross at alphalink.com.au (Graeme Cross) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Installing Perl 5.8 on Jaguar Message-ID: <20020829031123.D80DD2FD1A@server3.fastmail.fm> For the Apple devotees in the house, ADC is running a tutorial on installing Perl 5.8 on X 10.2 (which comes with Perl 5.6.0 installed): http://developer.apple.com/internet/macosx/perl.html Enjoy, Graeme -- Graeme Cross From gcross at alphalink.com.au Wed Aug 28 22:17:31 2002 From: gcross at alphalink.com.au (Graeme Cross) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Installing Perl 5.8 on Jaguar Message-ID: <20020829031731.9D0742FD1A@server3.fastmail.fm> For the Apple devotees in the house, ADC is running a tutorial on installing Perl 5.8 on X 10.2 (which comes with Perl 5.6.0 installed): http://developer.apple.com/internet/macosx/perl.html Enjoy, Graeme -- Graeme Cross From mrjcleaver at yahoo.co.uk Thu Aug 29 00:07:47 2002 From: mrjcleaver at yahoo.co.uk (=?iso-8859-1?q?Martin=20Cleaver?=) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: cpan/image magick In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020829050747.92092.qmail@web10302.mail.yahoo.com> Hey Scott, I'm tracking through a problem with Image::WorldMap as used at perl.pm but I'm stuck as Image Magick isn't loading properly. Could you please give me a clue as to what's wrong here? Loading DB routines from perl5db.pl version 1.07 Editor support available. Enter h or `h h' for help, or `man perldebug' for more help. main::(-e:1): 0 DB<1> use Image::Imlib2; # create a new image my $image = Image::Imlib2->new(200, 200); # set a colour (rgba, so this is transparent orange) $image->set_color(255, 127, 0, 127); DB<2> DB<2> DB<3> perl: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6 .0/i386-linux/auto/Image/Imlib2/Imlib2.so: undefined symbol: imlib_create_image bash-2.04$ Much appreciated, Martin. --- Scott Penrose wrote: > Yes absolutely. > > You have to install image magic development first. So that it > can find > the header files etc. > Image::Magic is just a perl wrapper to the C API. > > You may also have to define the location of those files, > sometimes with > an environment variable, other times with a parameter to > Makefile.PL > > Scott > > On Tuesday, August 27, 2002, at 03:59 , Jason Parlevliet wrote: > > >> > >> Jason, > >> > >> well it's not just you, I get the same error when I try > downloading > >> Image::Magick using the CPAN module. > >> > >> I'm confused as to why rpms are even relevant if you > >> were using the CPAN module (perl -MCPAN -e shell). > > > > Err, might be my ignorance. ImageMagick is it's own set of > commands, I > > thought the Image::Magick perl module was a set of Perl > interfaces to > > it or something? > > > > Jase > > > > > > > > > -- > Scott Penrose > Anthropomorphic Personification Expert > http://search.cpan.org/search?author=SCOTT > scott@cpan.org > > Dismaimer: While every attempt has been made to make sure that > this > email only contains zeros and ones, there has been no effort > made to > guarantee the quantity or the order. > ===== -- Martin@Cleaver.org (please don't reply to @yahoo) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From d.network at ecolint.ch Thu Aug 29 16:12:15 2002 From: d.network at ecolint.ch (Business World) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: Crystal Clear Conference Calls Message-ID: <0000543c14ce$00002ea6$0000194f@mx1.mail.psinet.ch> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/melbourne-pm/attachments/20020829/3133db61/attachment.htm From jens at cyber.com.au Thu Aug 29 20:24:02 2002 From: jens at cyber.com.au (Jens Porup) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: installing HTML::Mason In-Reply-To: <200208172028.15783.gcross@alphalink.com.au> References: <200208172028.15783.gcross@alphalink.com.au> Message-ID: <20020830012402.GC18998@peanut.office.cyber.com.au> Howdy all, When I try to install HTML::Mason in the CPAN shell, I get errors. Any ideas on what's causing this problem? thanks, Jens CPAN.pm: Going to build D/DR/DROLSKY/HTML-Mason-1.13.tar.gz Can't locate Exception/Class.pm in @INC (@INC contains: lib t/lib /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0 /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.6.1/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at lib/HTML/Mason/Exceptions.pm line 68. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at lib/HTML/Mason/Exceptions.pm line 68. Compilation failed in require at lib/HTML/Mason/Tools.pm line 17. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at lib/HTML/Mason/Tools.pm line 17. Compilation failed in require at install/apache_tests_helper.pl line 9. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at install/apache_tests_helper.pl line 9. Compilation failed in require at Makefile.PL line 12. Running make test Make had some problems, maybe interrupted? Won't test Running make install Make had some problems, maybe interrupted? Won't install cpan> From ac at market-research.com Thu Aug 29 20:47:10 2002 From: ac at market-research.com (Andrew Creer) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: installing HTML::Mason In-Reply-To: <20020830012402.GC18998@peanut.office.cyber.com.au> References: <200208172028.15783.gcross@alphalink.com.au> <20020830012402.GC18998@peanut.office.cyber.com.au> Message-ID: <20020830014710.GA670@market-research.com> On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 11:24:02AM +1000, Jens Porup wrote: > > Howdy all, > > When I try to install HTML::Mason in the CPAN shell, I get errors. > Any ideas on what's causing this problem? I'd say you don't have Exception::Class installed. > > thanks, > > Jens > > CPAN.pm: Going to build D/DR/DROLSKY/HTML-Mason-1.13.tar.gz > > Can't locate Exception/Class.pm in @INC (@INC contains: lib t/lib > /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0 > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.6.1/i386-linux > /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5/vendor_perl .) at > lib/HTML/Mason/Exceptions.pm line 68. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at lib/HTML/Mason/Exceptions.pm line 68. > Compilation failed in require at lib/HTML/Mason/Tools.pm line 17. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at lib/HTML/Mason/Tools.pm line 17. > Compilation failed in require at install/apache_tests_helper.pl line 9. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at install/apache_tests_helper.pl line 9. > Compilation failed in require at Makefile.PL line 12. > Running make test > Make had some problems, maybe interrupted? Won't test > Running make install > Make had some problems, maybe interrupted? Won't install > > cpan> -- Andrew Creer Phone + 61 3 9689 5299 Systems Developer Fax + 61 3 9689 5399 Horizon Research Corporation US Toll Free 1877 342 0928 From jens at cyber.com.au Thu Aug 29 21:12:20 2002 From: jens at cyber.com.au (Jens Porup) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: installing HTML::Mason In-Reply-To: <20020830012402.GC18998@peanut.office.cyber.com.au> References: <200208172028.15783.gcross@alphalink.com.au> <20020830012402.GC18998@peanut.office.cyber.com.au> Message-ID: <20020830021220.GA20652@peanut.office.cyber.com.au> Ok, ok, I should have google'd first. So it's a dependency issue, right? But even after fixing (I think) all the dependency issues, I still get the error message below. It looks like it thinks my httpd is somehow installed in /root/.cpan/....httpd ????? jens TIA! Running make test PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/bin/perl -Iblib/arch -Iblib/lib -I/usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux -I/usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1 -e 'use Test::Harness qw(&runtests $verbose); $verbose=0; $ENV{MASON_VERBOSE} == 0 ? 0 : $ENV{MASON_VERBOSE}; $ENV{PORT}=8228; $ENV{APACHE_DIR}=q^/root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t^; runtests @ARGV;' t/*.t t/01-syntax...........ok t/02-sections.........ok t/04-misc.............ok t/05-request..........ok t/06-compiler.........ok t/07-interp...........ok t/08-ah............... Testing whether Apache can be started Executing /root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd -f /root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd.conf Syntax error on line 9 of /root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd.conf: Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/mod_bandwidth.so into server: /etc/httpd/modules/mod_bandwidth.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Can't start httpd server as '/root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd -f /root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd.conf': No such file or directory at t/live_server_lib.pl line 65. t/08-ah...............dubious Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) t/09a-comp_content....ok t/09-component........ok t/10-cache............ok t/11-inherit..........ok t/12-taint............ok t/13-errors...........ok t/14-cgi..............ok t/15-subclass.........ok t/16-live_cgi......... Testing whether Apache can be started Executing /root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd -f /root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd.conf Syntax error on line 9 of /root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd.conf: Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/mod_bandwidth.so into server: /etc/httpd/modules/mod_bandwidth.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Can't start httpd server as '/root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd -f /root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd.conf': No such file or directory at t/live_server_lib.pl line 65. t/16-live_cgi.........dubious Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) t/17-print............ok Failed Test Stat Wstat Total Fail Failed List of Failed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- t/08-ah.t 2 512 ?? ?? % ?? t/16-live_cgi.t 2 512 ?? ?? % ?? Failed 2/17 test scripts, 88.24% okay. 0/174 subtests failed, 100.00% okay. make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 11 /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK Running make install make test had returned bad status, won't install without force Bundle summary: The following items in bundle Bundle::HTML::Mason had installation problems: HTML::Mason cpan> From jens at cyber.com.au Thu Aug 29 22:14:07 2002 From: jens at cyber.com.au (Jens Porup) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:39 2004 Subject: installing HTML::Mason Message-ID: <20020830031407.GB20652@peanut.office.cyber.com.au> Thanks very much for that Andrew. I'm guessing you meant to reply to the list so I'm forwarding it there in case anyone else might have been interested. And yes, a PM talk on HTML::Mason would be of much interest, at least to myself... Jens ----- Forwarded message from Andrew Creer ----- Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2002 12:48:17 +1000 To: Jens Porup Subject: Re: installing HTML::Mason From: Andrew Creer Hi Jens HTML::Mason tries to find an httpd.conf and then tries to build a cutdown httpd then tries to run it with modified for HTML::Mason version of the httpd.conf it found, etc, etc etc. Personally i think the testing tries to do too much, but thats just me. if you do the install manually (am i telling you things you already know is i say that using cpan does * download the right version * unzip and untar into /root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason/ (in your case) * cd /root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason/ * perl Makefile.PL * make test * make install ) then there are options to the perl Makefile.PL line that will skip the test that tries to do the httpd stuff. BUT then you have to read more of the HTML::Mason docs, and look at the mailing list archive at www.masonhq.com, and know about mod_perl and what it does and then work out how to put all the pieces of the jigsaw together. It is worth it in the end though. Mason is very nice, (but i don't use it at its full potential, so i would not like to do a talk about it at melb.pm.... if anyone was thinking about that...) see ya On Fri, Aug 30, 2002 at 12:12:20PM +1000, Jens Porup wrote: > > Ok, ok, I should have google'd first. Thats just what perl does if you try and use a module that is not installed. >So it's a dependency issue, > right? But even after fixing (I think) all the dependency issues, > I still get the error message below. > > It looks like it thinks my httpd is somehow installed in > /root/.cpan/....httpd ????? > > jens > > TIA! > > Running make test > PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/bin/perl -Iblib/arch -Iblib/lib > -I/usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux -I/usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1 -e 'use > Test::Harness qw(&runtests $verbose); $verbose=0; $ENV{MASON_VERBOSE} == 0 > ? 0 : $ENV{MASON_VERBOSE}; $ENV{PORT}=8228; > $ENV{APACHE_DIR}=q^/root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t^; runtests @ARGV;' > t/*.t > t/01-syntax...........ok > t/02-sections.........ok > t/04-misc.............ok > t/05-request..........ok > t/06-compiler.........ok > t/07-interp...........ok > t/08-ah............... > Testing whether Apache can be started > Executing /root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd -f > /root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd.conf > Syntax error on line 9 of /root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd.conf: > Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/mod_bandwidth.so into server: > /etc/httpd/modules/mod_bandwidth.so: cannot open shared object file: No > such file or directory > Can't start httpd server as '/root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd -f > /root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd.conf': No such file or directory > at t/live_server_lib.pl line 65. > t/08-ah...............dubious > Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) > t/09a-comp_content....ok > t/09-component........ok > t/10-cache............ok > t/11-inherit..........ok > t/12-taint............ok > t/13-errors...........ok > t/14-cgi..............ok > t/15-subclass.........ok > t/16-live_cgi......... > Testing whether Apache can be started > Executing /root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd -f > /root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd.conf > Syntax error on line 9 of /root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd.conf: > Cannot load /etc/httpd/modules/mod_bandwidth.so into server: > /etc/httpd/modules/mod_bandwidth.so: cannot open shared object file: No > such file or directory > Can't start httpd server as '/root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd -f > /root/.cpan/build/HTML-Mason-1.13/t/httpd.conf': No such file or directory > at t/live_server_lib.pl line 65. > t/16-live_cgi.........dubious > Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) > t/17-print............ok > Failed Test Stat Wstat Total Fail Failed List of Failed > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > t/08-ah.t 2 512 ?? ?? % ?? > t/16-live_cgi.t 2 512 ?? ?? % ?? > Failed 2/17 test scripts, 88.24% okay. 0/174 subtests failed, 100.00% okay. > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 11 > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > Running make install > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > Bundle summary: The following items in bundle Bundle::HTML::Mason had > installation problems: > HTML::Mason > > cpan> -- Andrew Creer Phone + 61 3 9689 5299 Systems Developer Fax + 61 3 9689 5399 Horizon Research Corporation US Toll Free 1877 342 0928 ----- End forwarded message -----