From eashton at bbnplanet.com Wed Dec 2 16:10:40 1998 From: eashton at bbnplanet.com (Elaine Ashton) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: greetings and welcome Message-ID: Welcome to the MarsNeedsWomen.pm mailing list. I am Elaine Ashton, a.k.a. HappyFunBall, one of your hosts on this adventure. This list germinated from an idea at the Perl Conference 2.0 Perl Monger BOF and a query about how to get more women into the world of Perl. I'm not sure exactly how many women were at the conference but I would venture to say not many. Hopefully this list will grow and encourage more women to get involved in the community as well as the language. So, to get this list rolling, perhaps we could all introduce ourselves, what we do and how/why we use Perl for work and for fun. I am Sr. Unix System Admin for BBN/GTEI Web Hosting Operations where we manage dedicated web servers for a wide range of customers. I have worked with Unix for ~13 years and have used perl since 1993 for everything from quick hacks to a distributed web based user management application. I think Perl is the coolest thing since coffee makers and single malt scotch. e. From stimpy at paralynx.com Wed Dec 2 16:49:09 1998 From: stimpy at paralynx.com (stimpy) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: greetings and welcome In-Reply-To: Message-ID: >So, to get this list rolling, perhaps we could all introduce ourselves, >what we do and how/why we use Perl for work and for fun. Ok, here goes mine. I'm Jack Webb, aka stimps. My programming interests are mostly recreational, except for co-sysadmining a small Unix based system from home with my partner Brad, providing mail and news service for some friends. Brad works at ActiveState as Systems Manager, and much of what I know of Perl I've learned from him. I've been working with computers and Unix systems since 1990 (something I did not expect from life, as my education includes degrees in English and Theatre Arts). I'm a fiction writer by vocation. I find that Perl as a language is more intuitive for people with numerical dyslexia. stimps Anyone found bipedal in five wears his ass for a hat! stimpy@paralynx.com From mars at serve.com Wed Dec 2 12:09:22 1998 From: mars at serve.com (mars) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: greetings and welcome Message-ID: <2.2.32.19981202180922.0094764c@mail.serve.com> hello all. I'm Mars Parker (really..Mars) I hope I'm not out of my league here. I do email tech support for a Web Provider here in lovely Philadelphia, PA I started learning Unix about 4 months ago. I know next to nothing about Perl, just that I want and need to learn it. So, any info, tutorials, sites, books, advice you could share with me would be really appreciated. thanks! mars Density 3.9 g/cm^3 Diameter 6,794 km Mass of .11 earth masses (6.4219e23 kg) Orbit 227,940,000 km (1.52 AU) from Sun Martian year 686 days Average temp ~210 K Color red From lnyman at Census.GOV Wed Dec 2 17:45:38 1998 From: lnyman at Census.GOV (Lisa Nyman (GEO-CSB)) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: greetings and welcome In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, I'm a web diva/unix admin and perl evangelist. I've been at this web stuff since 1994. I hope people feel free to ask all sorts of questions on this list. I suppose I'm a 'host' along with Elaine (but I'm definitly not a scotch drinker. I'll have champagne, thanks.) Lisa W. Nyman Standard Disclaimer applies. +Read the GIS FAQ: http://www.census.gov/geo/www/faq-index.html -Life is too short to wear ugly underwear. "All roads lead somewhere so don't sweat the wrong turns." --me From BackusK at exi.do.losrios.cc.ca.us Wed Dec 2 18:05:32 1998 From: BackusK at exi.do.losrios.cc.ca.us (Backus, Kris) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: greetings and welcome Message-ID: Introducing: Kris Backus, Programmer Analyst at Los Rios Community College District in California. Although I started out in COBOL and VAX/VMS in 1983, I've gone from selling dog food to running an Elementary School computer lab to doing Business and Systems analysis in the intervening years. The last year I have gotten into Unix and Perl, developing a web-based student e-mail system for students at our campuses (check it out at http://doweb.do.losrios.cc.ca.us) I really like Perl (it's easy to learn!) and I love getting into the Web world. Here are some useful sites for Perl and CGI - enjoy! Perl http://www.inlink.com/~perlguy/simple/ Simple Perl Databases Tutorial http://reference.perl.com/query.cgi?tutorials PERL Reference http://www.civeng.carleton.ca/Courses/Grad/82.562/perl/expr.html Regular Expressions http://www.developer.com/directories/pages/dir.perl.html Perl Directory (developer.com) http://www.perl.com/ The www.perl.com Home Page http://www.webreference.com/programming/perl/101/ Perl 101 - WebReference.com http://www.solutionsoft.com/perl.htm Perl Builder: The Visual Development Environment for Perl http://webreview.com/wr/pub/98/06/26/perl/index.html Web Review - Handling Forms in Perl ftp://ftp.hkstar.com/pub/CPAN/doc/manual/html/index.html Distributed Perl Documentation (5.005_02) CGI and Forms http://www.developer.com/reference/library/1575210878/ewtoc.html CGI Reference http://www.developer.com/reference/library/1575211513/ewtoc.html CGI Unleashed - Reference http://guava.futuris.net/nickp/tags/forms/ Everything You Ever Wanted to Know about Forms! http://www.TPH.net/ The CGI Programmer's Helper http://guava.futuris.net/nickp/tags/forms/linx.html Links to Forms Tutorials/Resources http://lightsphere.com/dev/class/ CGI Programming Class http://www.developer.com/directories/pages/dir.cgi.html CGI Directory (developer.com) http://interweb.simplenet.com/Hotsource/Further/form.shtml HotSource HTML Help - Further - Forms http://www.cgi-world.net/tutorial/perl123/ CGI World: Perl Step By Step ... Introduction http://www.webteacher.com/perltour/perl17.htm CGI for the Total Non-Programmer http://www.cgi-resources.com/ The CGI Resource Index http://webreview.com/wr/pub/98/07/31/perl/index.html Web Review - CGI Troubleshooting Tips From tricia at hankweb.com Wed Dec 2 19:13:56 1998 From: tricia at hankweb.com (Tricia Hankinson) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: greetings and welcome Message-ID: <059c01be1e5a$345aac00$07bce2cf@montana.hankweb.com> I, too, hope I am not in over my head. I intended to be a lurker, but will go ahead and introduce myself. I am a Mechanical Engineer by education, and worked for almost 9 years for a defense contractor. During that time, I helped a Dept of Defense Agency 'manage' programs that developed applications for the internet to do 'distributed, collaborative design and development of complex systems'. This program started in 1992, and it was at this time that I taught myself html and did my first homepage in Mosaic!! I am currently "retired" after having a baby almost 3 years ago, and I have begun to do Internet Consulting to bring in a few bucks here and there, but a lot of work I do is volunteer work for a non-profit. I am currently webmaster for 2 non-profits and 1 small business, a consultant for intranet development for another company, a list owner of a listserv. I have taught myself enough perl to modify scripts, but anymore that I can learn is always helpful. Tricia Hankinson tricia@hankweb.com From elhibling at meto.gov.uk Thu Dec 3 03:20:52 1998 From: elhibling at meto.gov.uk (Emma Hibling) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: greetings and welcome Message-ID: <366657F4.9C68B637@hc1000.meto.gov.uk> Hello everybody. I'm Emma Hibling. I work at the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research which is in Bracknell, England. I support and develop applications on our HP workstations and Cray supercomputer. I've been using Unix for 8 years now, but got into Perl quite recently. I reckon I've just got out of the "baby talk" stage of Perl. I use Perl for doing sysadmin tasks, deriving stats from logs, CGI scripts, interfaces to databases and a whole lot more. Perl has made computer programming fun for me again. Cheers, Emma -- Ms Emma Hibling Tel: +44 [0]1344-856072 UK Met. Office elhibling@meto.gov.uk "Sometimes the need to mess with their heads outweighs the millstone of humiliation." From gossamer at tertius.net.au Thu Dec 3 05:33:57 1998 From: gossamer at tertius.net.au (Gossamer) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: Another intro Message-ID: *stands up nervously* Er, I'm Bek and I'm a Perl Hacker. :) Or something like that. I've got to the stage where I've got a few modules up on CPAN so I must have -some- skill! Been doing perl for ... sheesh, a few years. Since the Pink Camel, anyway. I do toolsmithy stuff, sysadmin stuff, CGI stuff sometimes, DB stuff when I can't avoid it. Toolsmithing is what I love. Linux mostly since that's what's on the box on my desk. Oh, and I'm nicking off in the morning to spend a few weeks in hospital (nothing drastic, don't panic) so I'll lurk until I'm back and all caught up. Miss me! bekj PS Pet projects that may be of interest: Netizen - http://www.netizen.com.au/ Homepage - http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ Lists I run - http://www.tertius.net.au/lists/ Bookshelf - http://www.tertius.net.au/cfidsfms/bookshelf/ (only interesting because I've half-finished a bunch of scripts to automate the whole thing. It's all manually done at the moment) -- : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Gay-Disabled-Boychick-- : gossamer@tertius.net.au http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ : I have to be so careful about things that cause the whole : program to blow up, or my computer to self-destruct. Like : touching it for instance. : -- Leslie Parrish, 'Bridge Across Forever' From cruckert at rams.com Thu Dec 3 10:39:09 1998 From: cruckert at rams.com (Caryl Ruckert) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: Yet another intro... Message-ID: Hi folks! Thought I'd join in with the introductions. My name is Caryl. I work for a small company that specializes in electronic technology for the academic community. We have several websites, a targeted email delivery service and we also write software. We were one of the first 100 folks on the web way back in the beginning. I do some web application development as well a ton of other things. I'm definitely a "Jill of all trades - Master of none!". I have been using PERL for about a year. I use it for doing sysadmin stuff, producing stats from webserver access logs, CGI scripts, and interfacing w/ databases. Our targeted email delivery system is mainly written in PERL. Like the rest here on the list, I LOVE PERL! It is easy to learn and I've found it extremely powerful for the smallest to the largest tasks. I don't consider myself to be a master of PERL but I am learning. I'm grateful for this list and the opportunity to share and learn more PERL! Caryl From gsasuke at primenet.com Thu Dec 3 16:50:44 1998 From: gsasuke at primenet.com (Lee Morey) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: Just learning Perl... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, I'm Lee, a librarian-turned-web-designer-and-search-engine-maven and a newly minted Information Architecture Specialist, having just left the Federal government after 8 years to, well, work for the Federal government as a contractor. :) I originally wanted to learn Perl so that I could create some online forms and automate some updating of web pages. I just finished a course on it; now the big hangup seems to be finding enough time to play around with it! I do feel a bit intimidated by the amount of long-term net expertise on this list... but that never stopped me from lurking and learning before. Lee, yet another former languages major who finds Perl very readable. Diane L. (Lee) Morey by day: Information Architecture Specialist, U.S. Dept. of Labor by night: Delacroix Design, Costume-Con 18 webmaster & New Cheetah Order work email: morey-diane@dol.gov | home email: gsasuke@primenet.com rudimentary home page (who has time?): http://www.primenet.com/~gsasuke/ From cat at force.stwing.upenn.edu Fri Dec 4 08:38:45 1998 From: cat at force.stwing.upenn.edu (cat) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: Hello perl girls! Message-ID: <199812041438.JAA19404@force.stwing.upenn.edu> Hi everyone, I'm allison aka cat. I'm pretty excited about the formation of this group, as i only use perl recreationally, so to speak, and have no cool projects to motivate me to actually become a "perl hack". My knowledge of perl is only the barest basics, but i do have fun trying to create clever little scripts and things, when the occasion arises. so, where do we begin? :) allison From suz_humphrey at hotmail.com Tue Dec 8 10:50:40 1998 From: suz_humphrey at hotmail.com (Suzan Humphrey) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: question on perl Message-ID: <19981208165041.182.qmail@hotmail.com> There is no info for this listserv, but I hope this is the right place to ask this question: I'm sort of new to perl, and have learned how to use hashes, but now I've been asked to use a multi-dimensional hash. I pretty much taught myself, and have learned from other programs and the web. Does someone out there have a suggested source for learning about multidimensional hashes. Sue Humphrey ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From skud at netizen.com.au Tue Dec 8 19:42:48 1998 From: skud at netizen.com.au (Kirrily 'Skud' Robert) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: question on perl In-Reply-To: suz_humphrey's message of Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:50:40 -0500. <19981208165041.182.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: <199812090142.MAA01644@hiro.netizen.com.au> "Suzan Humphrey" wrote: >There is no info for this listserv, but I hope this is the right place >to ask this question: > >I'm sort of new to perl, and have learned how to use hashes, but now >I've been asked to use a multi-dimensional hash. I pretty much taught >myself, and have learned from other programs and the web. > >Does someone out there have a suggested source for learning about >multidimensional hashes. I'd suggest reading the fine documentation provided with perl or available online. I think there're some FMTYEWTK tutorials that go into depth on the topic, and I've found that the O'Reilly _Advanced Perl Programming_ has a very clear description of it all, if you prefer hardcopy. K. From eashton at bbn.com Wed Dec 9 14:42:56 1998 From: eashton at bbn.com (Elaine Ashton) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: A bit of Perl Xmas Cheer Message-ID: Someone put this up on #perl today and I thought is was cute. perl -e 'for (1..40) { print (" " x (40 - $_), (chr(46) . chr(92)) x $_,"\n") }; for (1..5) { print " " x 30, ".\\" x 10, "\n"; }' And just to get the list talking... 1) What do you like most about perl? 2) Why did you start using perl? 3) What would you like to know how to do with perl? 4) Are there other women around you in a technical position? e. From BackusK at exi.do.losrios.cc.ca.us Wed Dec 9 15:11:58 1998 From: BackusK at exi.do.losrios.cc.ca.us (Backus, Kris) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: A bit of Perl Xmas Cheer Message-ID: Elaine, Thanks for the Christmas cheer! I agree, it's cute. In answer to your questions: 1) what i like most about perl: easy to learn and powerful enough for lots of needs 2) I started using Perl about 9 months ago. 3) I don't know what I don't know yet! I guess I would like to be more clear on system calls from Perl. 4) Are there other women around me in a technical position? Yes. i work closely with a contractor who has been our Webmaster for about three years. She has taught me just about everything! Also, one of our two system administrators is a woman. I'm in good company. Cheers, everyone, Kris Backus Los Rios Community College District Sacramento, CA > -----Original Message----- > From: Elaine Ashton [SMTP:eashton@bbn.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 1998 12:43 PM > To: marsneedswomen@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: A bit of Perl Xmas Cheer > > Someone put this up on #perl today and I thought is was cute. > > perl -e 'for (1..40) { print (" " x (40 - $_), (chr(46) . chr(92)) x > $_,"\n") }; for (1..5) { print " " x 30, ".\\" x 10, "\n"; }' > > And just to get the list talking... > > 1) What do you like most about perl? > 2) Why did you start using perl? > 3) What would you like to know how to do with perl? > 4) Are there other women around you in a technical position? > > e. > > From stimpy at paralynx.com Wed Dec 9 17:00:08 1998 From: stimpy at paralynx.com (stimpy) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: A bit of Perl Xmas Cheer Message-ID: >1) What do you like most about perl? Right now, seeing as how I'm a beginner, I'm pleased that Perl is relatively easy to start with (well documented, and has a lot of friendly geeks around willing to help). I'm pleased that from my own perspective, I can do tutorials and exercises in Perl, help make larger projects by helping out with pieces of code, yet it's still flexible enough to do very large and complex projects for those who are more capable than I. When I was learning C and C++, I felt that a lot of the tutorials and exercises I did were kind of futile -- taught you something, but weren't really useful. The stuff I'm learning in Perl is more immediately applicable (for example, working on a small program that allows Brad and I to whisper back and forth when he's at work -- kind of like ICQ, but smaller, and one that will perhaps work better). It may be that I have found better resources for learning Perl than I had when learning C/C++, but it's making a big difference in sustaining my interest in learning the language. >2) Why did you start using perl? I wanted to be able to get the jokes. :) Well, that, and I feel that programming languages are like any other language -- it can't hurt to have some skill in a foreign tongue, even if you never learn to speak it really well. >3) What would you like to know how to do with perl? I can't think of any specific items around this question. I think I come up with ten answers to this question every day, but they're kind of immediate, panic issues. Right now, my main objectives are making our home system a more friendly place for our friends to use when they log in for mail, etc. I know that there are preexisting apps out there that do a lot of the things we want to do in our system, so I tend to look at the code that's already there, see why they did what they did, and then compare it to what I tried to do. Very instructive. >4) Are there other women around you in a technical position? Not really, not people who are on the level of playing with languages, anyway. I know some who are computer literate, and some who are geekly in other ways (more app oriented than OS/programming oriented), but I think I'm the most technical female I know (other than elaine and the few others I've met on the 'Net). I don't work in the industry, though. There is a pretty large number of computer professional females in Vancouver, I just don't know them personally. >e. Elaine, it's your turn! You didn't answer your own questionnaire. : stimps Anyone found bipedal in five wears his ass for a hat! stimpy@paralynx.com From lnyman at Census.GOV Thu Dec 10 07:41:44 1998 From: lnyman at Census.GOV (Lisa Nyman (GEO-CSB)) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: A bit of Perl Xmas Cheer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, On Wed, 9 Dec 1998, Elaine Ashton wrote: > 1) What do you like most about perl? I like the fact that if I have a problem with DBI, I can ask Tim Bunce. Try doing that with an Oracle Application Server problem. In other words, what I like most is the community of developers and users and the amount of help that is available. > 2) Why did you start using perl? I needed it for a web app (1995). Now I use it for web apps and administrative stuff. > 3) What would you like to know how to do with perl? Even cooler web apps. > 4) Are there other women around you in a technical position? I'm the only unix chick in my office, and we have two pc/nt women. However there are acouple of other perl/unix chicks at our agency. Lisa W. Nyman Standard Disclaimer applies. +Read the GIS FAQ: http://www.census.gov/geo/www/faq-index.html -Life is too short to wear ugly underwear. "All roads lead somewhere so don't sweat the wrong turns." --me From arielle at patriot.net Mon Dec 14 14:16:56 1998 From: arielle at patriot.net (A.K. Masters, Frumious Bandersnatch) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: greetings and welcome - why I do Perl Message-ID: <199812142016.PAA28437@adams.patriot.net> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 2456 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/marsneedswomen-pm/attachments/19981214/3570c472/attachment.bat From eashton at bbn.com Tue Dec 15 15:22:55 1998 From: eashton at bbn.com (Elaine Ashton) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: santa is a chick Message-ID: ok..i know this isn't perl related, but i thought it was funny enough to share with the list. e. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- I think Santa Claus is a woman. I hate to be the one to defy sacred myth, but I believe he is a she. Think about it. Christmas is a big, organized, warm, fuzzy, nurturing social deal, and I have a tough time believing a guy could possibly pull it all off! For starters, the vast majority of men don't even think about selecting gifts until Christmas Eve. It's as if they are all frozen in some kind of Ebenezerian Time Warp until 3 p.m. on December 24th, when they, with amazing calm, call other errant men and plan for a last minute shopping spree. Once at the mall, they always seem surprized to find only ronco products, socket wrench sets, and mood rings left on the shelves. (You might think this would send them into a fit of panic and guilt, but for most of them, it's an enormous relief because it lessoens the 11th hour decision making burden.) On this count alone, I'm convinced Santa is a woman. Surely, if he were a man, everyone in the universe would wake up Christmas morning to find a rotating musical Chia Pet under the tree, still in the bag. Another problem for a he-Santa would be getting there. first of all, there would be no reindeer, because they would all be dead, gutted and strapped on to the rear bumper of the sleigh amid wide-eyed, desperate claims that the buck season had been extended. Blitzen's rack would already be on the way to the taxidermist. Even if the male Santa DID have reindeer, he'd still have transportation problems because he would inevitabley get lost up there in the snow and clouds and then refuse to stop and ask for directions. Add to this the fact that there would be unavoidable delays in the chimney, were the Bob Vila like Santa would stop to inspect and repoint bricks in the flue. He would also need to check for carbon monoxide fumes in every gas fireplace, and get under every Christmas tree that is crooked to straighten it to a perfectly upright 90-degree angle. Other reasons why Santa can't possibly be a man: >>--Men can't pack a bag. >>--Men would rather be dead than caught wearing red velvet. >>--Men would feel their masculinity is threatened. . .having to be seen with all those little elves. >>--Men don't answer their mail. >>--Men would refuse to allow their physique to be described even in jest as anything similiar to "round and robust". >>--Men aren't interested in stockings unless somebody's wearing them. >>--Having to do the HoHoHo thing would seriously inhibit their ability to pick up women. >>--Finally, being responsible for Christmas would require a commitment. I can buy the fact that other mythical holiday characters are men. . . Father Time shows up once a year unshaven and looking ominous. Definite guy. Cupid flies around carrying weapons. Uncle Sam is a politician who likes to point fingers. Any one of these individuals could pass the testostorone screening test. But not St. Nick. Not a chance. As long as we have each other, good will, peace on earth, faith and Nat King Cole's version of "The Christmas Song", it probabley makes little difference what gender Santa is. I just wish she'd quit dressing like a guy!!! From wuxtry at best.com Wed Dec 30 13:54:11 1998 From: wuxtry at best.com (Rachel Rawlings) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:29:02 2004 Subject: [mnw.pm] push @mars, $woman='rachel@wuxtry.com' Message-ID: <199812301954.LAA14265@shell4.ba.best.com> Hello, my name is Rachel, and I use perl. I consider myself a perl affecionada, and my certificate from TPC 2.0 refers to me as a Certified Perl Adept, signed and winked over by Tom Christiansen. I've been playing with Perl for about two and a half years, mostly MacPerl with side trips to Unix and my old Amiga 3000. I've attended both Perl Conferences on a press pass, and am a member of sanfrancisco.pm. As a perpetual undergrad in journalism and computer science, I've managed to swing a day job as a technical writer. I mostly use perl as therapy, to convince myself that I'm not hopeless as a coder, and as an excuse to hang out on #perl, where I'm generally known as Penth. My most significant project with perl is decoding Federal Election Commission filings, the last round of which required me to upgrade the hard drive in my Powerbook. My website is apallingly spare on cgi; there are none. Rache/Penth