From maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org Mon Jun 9 19:35:36 2003 From: maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org (maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:11 2004 Subject: [Maine-pm] Hello Message-ID: Hello, I just joined the list, although I don't live in Portland (I live in Lovell). I'm involved with a Perl group over this way, but I was curious about the Portland group. Anything going on? Regards, Andrew From maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org Tue Jun 10 07:20:54 2003 From: maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org (maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:11 2004 Subject: [Maine-pm] Hello In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 10-Jun-2003, maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org wrote message "[Maine-pm] Hello" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I just joined the list, although I don't live in Portland (I live in > Lovell). I'm involved with a Perl group over this way, but I was curious > about the Portland group. Anything going on? Nothing much, unfortunately. We haven't had much luck in the recruitment process. How's the activity there? ~~ Andy Harrison Great Works Internet System Operations (full headers for details) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPuXNJVPEkLgodAWVAQHggQQAkApJB4//DfoPcNOdWxe1tivcbSJw3uiW 3fIaq+4y2kHgR6CkLPctXj3dENvhqJDvRRb6pNXZqFJc0eE4Q+tdirODPPqBC5BY had1tftaNjaytmKUcbOtICH7TjIgVsWJdHF5Sx2rNpdoh86b828sqPEXhtF+kWFy Je2b0fd+NcU= =tQAh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org Tue Jun 10 09:02:55 2003 From: maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org (maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:11 2004 Subject: [Maine-pm] Hello In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/10/03 at 8:20 AM, maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org wrote: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > On 10-Jun-2003, maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org wrote message "[Maine-pm] > Hello" > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > I just joined the list, although I don't live in Portland (I live > > in Lovell). I'm involved with a Perl group over this way, but I was > > curious about the Portland group. Anything going on? > > Nothing much, unfortunately. We haven't had much luck in the > recruitment process. > > How's the activity there? > > Ebb and flow :-) We have a dozen people on the mailing list and attempt monthly meetings. Meeting attendance has varied from almost everyone to cancelled due to lack of turnout. Here are some things we tried to get the word out and increase membership and interest: Other user groups - We will occasionally post meetings and events on websites of other user groups. We also have a link on a local 'IT Workers' website. This has been perhaps the best method so far. Does Portland have a Linux user group? Local Media - The local paper and cable have free community announcements. This has not been as effective, but it's free and means just emailing them monthly, so... Word of Mouth - Simply having each member think of everyone they know who might be interested and contacting them. Spam - Just kidding ;-) But we have sent emails to local companies who likely employ geeks to inform them of the group. I would think the University would be an excellent place for you to recruit. I think the bottom line though is that these groups are often sustained by a few motivated individuals who keep the group afloat as interest ebbs and flows. Regards, Andrew andrew@broscom.com btw - anyone going to YAPC next week? From maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org Tue Jun 10 09:26:34 2003 From: maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org (maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:11 2004 Subject: [Maine-pm] Hello In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 10-Jun-2003, maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org wrote message "Re: [Maine-pm] Hello" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Ebb and flow :-) > Yeah, we've mostly been doing word of mouth. I've been thinking of printing something to put up at the college in Gorham. No idea if there's a linux group, might be a good place to look. Is there a linux user group site that you know about? ~~ Andy Harrison Great Works Internet System Operations (full headers for details) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPuXqmVPEkLgodAWVAQHsJwQAsTZ8c7XdCq1PGK9N/CuFYC/o22oRNA6h eOb1Iz4BSQqHAJjOIAtUnzJIgsyKrhS4zgcKUqjvpbMZRniSN0ZHXkiiNavptpkP j3WAVJZfvVWrpsxRloFTg4Q478gtDR0tPXhZOW+anN/geL9RbKcT1H/Dsb5Bzb99 LkMU0rrQmBA= =XCxx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org Tue Jun 10 11:25:01 2003 From: maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org (maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:11 2004 Subject: [Maine-pm] Hello Message-ID: I wasn't aware that meetings were going on...! I'm in Bangor, but I'd probably have the opportunity to make meetings sometimes. Is the website working? Where are notices being posted? I wanted to go to YAPC this year, but it doesn't look like it's going to happen. :( -chaoticset ----------------------- You are what you think. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org Tue Jun 10 11:47:30 2003 From: maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org (maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:11 2004 Subject: [Maine-pm] Hello (fwd) Message-ID: <20030610124511.J15559@sasami.jurai.net> Whoops, sent this from the wrong address. Apologies in advance if the original makes it through later... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:44:19 -0400 (EDT) To: maine-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: Re: [Maine-pm] Hello On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org wrote: > > I wasn't aware that meetings were going on...! Since there haven't been any, that's not surprising. :)) > Is the website working? Where are notices being posted? AFAIK, the website is currently a no-go because of some hosting issues with pm.org, but it is something being worked on and hopefully we'll have a real site to start advertising later this month. Nice to see a furor of chatter on the list in the meantime, 'tho! :)) --kanji. From maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org Tue Jun 10 12:06:27 2003 From: maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org (maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:11 2004 Subject: [Maine-pm] Hello In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c32f72$a14c3850$2202010a@jminieri> Hey guys - Nice to see some list traffic today. I think there may have been a misunderstanding in a previous post. We have not started meetings yet. We have had a couple other folks join the list recently (including our colleague from Lovell) - bringing the list membership to 9. I think we are getting to the point where a periodic meeting (quarterly?) might be feasible if we could get everyone to attend. Not sure what the consensus opinion is, though. Kanji and I have talked a bit about trying to locate a corporate sponsor so we'd at least have a meeting place if we did want to meet. We also have talked about getting some web space somewhere other than on the pm.org site. Always open to ideas so send them directly to me or to the list. Thanks! Joe Minieri, CISSP Director of Application Engineering OpenService 110 Turnpike Road, Suite 308 Westborough, MA 01581 Phone: 508-380-6372 Fax: 508-599-2099 AIM: minieri From maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org Tue Jun 10 12:36:05 2003 From: maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org (maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:11 2004 Subject: [Maine-pm] Hello In-Reply-To: <000601c32f72$a14c3850$2202010a@jminieri> Message-ID: On 6/10/03 at 1:06 PM, maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org wrote: > > Hey guys - > > Nice to see some list traffic today. > > I think there may have been a misunderstanding in a previous post. > We have not started meetings yet. We have had a couple other folks > join the list recently (including our colleague from Lovell) - > bringing the list membership to 9. > Perhaps what is confusing is that the list is set up so that every post appears to come from maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org rather than the actual sender. > I think we are getting to the point where a periodic meeting > (quarterly?) might be feasible if we could get everyone to attend. > Not sure what the consensus opinion is, though. I would certainly try to make them. > > Kanji and I have talked a bit about trying to locate a corporate > sponsor so we'd at least have a meeting place if we did want to meet. > We also have talked about getting some web space somewhere other > than on the pm.org site. I have some server space you could use if you wish. I currently have the whitemountain.pm group on it also. (we're just talking about a few pages right?) Regards, Andrew From maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org Tue Jun 10 12:55:50 2003 From: maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org (maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:11 2004 Subject: [Maine-pm] Hello (fwd) Message-ID: >Whoops, sent this from the wrong address. Apologies in advance if the >original makes it through later... > >---------- Forwarded message ---------- >Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2003 12:44:19 -0400 (EDT) >To: maine-pm@mail.pm.org >Subject: Re: [Maine-pm] Hello > >On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org wrote: > > > > I wasn't aware that meetings were going on...! > >Since there haven't been any, that's not surprising. :)) Well, it *said* there were... :( *sniff* > > > Is the website working? Where are notices being posted? > >AFAIK, the website is currently a no-go because of some hosting issues >with pm.org, but it is something being worked on and hopefully we'll have >a real site to start advertising later this month. > >Nice to see a furor of chatter on the list in the meantime, 'tho! :)) > > --kanji. Isn't it? :D I have to make myself a laminated Bishop rank card, to replace my old Abbot rank card... ----------------------- You are what you think. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org Tue Jun 10 13:49:14 2003 From: maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org (maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:11 2004 Subject: [Maine-pm] Hello (fwd) Message-ID: Well, hey -- if there weren't any, I didn't miss them, so I don't feel bad. :) I definately want to attend when there are. I may not be able to make weekly or biweekly with the commute, but I could probably swing monthly no problem. Um, and other than that -- hello, everybody else on the list. :) -chaoticset ----------------------- You are what you think. _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org Wed Jun 11 06:21:46 2003 From: maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org (maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:11 2004 Subject: [Maine-pm] Hello In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <003f01c3300b$a4b1e000$2202010a@jminieri> > Perhaps what is confusing is that the list is set up so that every post > appears to come from maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org rather than the actual > sender. It was suggested to me by two of the list members to set the list up as an anonymous list, thus protecting user's email addresses in the list auto-archives from web scanners used by spammers. There is also an option on the list to obscure email addresses so this doesn't happen - but this doesn't seem to be affecting the contents of the archives, as the addresses still appear un-obscured. I'm OK with changing the configuration so the list isn't anonymous - but I'd need some feedback from the rest of the folks on the list since there are currently (or at least 'were') two 'no' votes before. Thanks Joe Minieri, CISSP Director of Application Engineering OpenService 110 Turnpike Road, Suite 308 Westborough, MA 01581 Phone: 508-380-6372 Fax: 508-599-2099 AIM: minieri From maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org Tue Jun 10 11:44:19 2003 From: maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org (maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:11 2004 Subject: [Maine-pm] Hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030610123712.V15559@sasami.jurai.net> On Tue, 10 Jun 2003 maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org wrote: > > I wasn't aware that meetings were going on...! Since there haven't been any, that's not surprising. :)) > Is the website working? Where are notices being posted? AFAIK, the website is currently a no-go because of some hosting issues with pm.org, but it is something being worked on and hopefully we'll have a real site to start advertising later this month. Nice to see a furor of chatter on the list in the meantime, 'tho! :)) --kanji. From maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org Wed Jun 11 07:13:26 2003 From: maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org (maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:11 2004 Subject: [Maine-pm] Hello In-Reply-To: <003f01c3300b$a4b1e000$2202010a@jminieri> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On 11-Jun-2003, maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org wrote message "RE: [Maine-pm] Hello" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > I'm OK with changing the configuration so the list isn't anonymous - but I'd > need some feedback from the rest of the folks on the list since there are > currently (or at least 'were') two 'no' votes before. > I'm pro-anonymous myself. Heck, I wish *all* the lists I'm on behaved this way... I have to rotate my e-mail address that I use for my freebsd list subscriptions no less then once every two months because of the spam harvesters. IMO, it should be left to the user to sign their messages adequately. ~~ Andy Harrison Great Works Internet System Operations (full headers for details) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGP 6.5.8 iQCVAwUBPucc5VPEkLgodAWVAQGh9QP+P0hzI2MfYeLSZCJOJUSkKz4GueMqhD/h KPG95LqS0bhEolTrfnIG1RkWrRCXma2ITlA05zRAIO9uaA+WVih+FsCsBLtXFNfw R6dRpTzY9iMZC5Fpmr5aY/e+Op/ZRzCwzCndyP4HuYvYJtBcLtD9JfUfRkqFz7gh GfNLPzPcnnQ= =At4w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org Wed Jun 11 08:28:59 2003 From: maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org (maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:11 2004 Subject: [Maine-pm] Hello In-Reply-To: <003f01c3300b$a4b1e000$2202010a@jminieri> Message-ID: On 6/11/03 at 7:21 AM, maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org wrote: > > > Perhaps what is confusing is that the list is set up so that every > > post appears to come from maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org rather than > > the actual sender. > > It was suggested to me by two of the list members to set the list up > as an anonymous list, thus protecting user's email addresses in the > list auto-archives from web scanners used by spammers. > > There is also an option on the list to obscure email addresses so > this doesn't happen - but this doesn't seem to be affecting the > contents of the archives, as the addresses still appear un-obscured. > > I'm OK with changing the configuration so the list isn't anonymous - > but I'd need some feedback from the rest of the folks on the list > since there are currently (or at least 'were') two 'no' votes before. > The horse has already left the barn for me. So now, rather than try to hide from spammers I just use SpamAssassin (available free at: http://spamassassin.taint.org/). It is currently catching about 40 spam messages per day, no false positives and only one or two actual spam messages get through each day. (*and* it's written in Perl :-) No need to live in fear anymore ;-) Andrew From maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org Thu Jun 12 08:19:32 2003 From: maine-pm-admin at mail.pm.org (maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:32:11 2004 Subject: [Maine-pm] Hello In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030612085645.V15559@sasami.jurai.net> On Wed, 11 Jun 2003 maine-pm-admin@mail.pm.org wrote: > > No need to live in fear anymore ;-) True, but there's no reason to encourage more spam, either. :-) I'm game for the list being set either way, as long as the archives aren't open to the world for harvesting (ie, members only). --k.