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color=#0000ff size=2>Excellent, let's keep the conversations going ;) Juan, I'm
glad that you have an idea of how to put on a visually interesting "face" on the
issue of perl speed. It's something I'd particularly like to address and have an
open forum to dispel myths.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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color=#0000ff size=2>Keep volunteering and keep the ideas flowing! Once I have a
feeling that we can keep the booth full, I'll make a formal request for the
booth. I'd like to get that done by tomorrow or Wednesday since they are asking
for a confirmation.</FONT></SPAN></DIV><SPAN class=453380321-11122006>
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face=Arial>Todd</FONT></SPAN></DIV></SPAN><BR>
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Monday, December 11, 2006 12:32 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
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<DIV></DIV>Todd,<BR><BR>I would definitely love to volunteer and help out in
any and every way. Some of the project ideas suggested by Juan Natera are very
interesting and I would very much like to collaborate with him.<BR><BR>Also, I
wouldn't mind managing the booth evangelizing LA.pm and perl.<BR><BR>Nimish
Parmar<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 12/11/06, <B class=gmail_sendername><A
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<BR><BR>Message: 1<BR>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:26:19 -0800<BR>From: "Juan
Jose Natera" <<A
href="mailto:naterajj@gmail.com">naterajj@gmail.com</A>><BR>Subject: Re:
[LA.pm] LA-PM sponsoring a booth at SCALE? <BR>To: "Todd Cranston-Cuebas"
<<A
href="mailto:Todd.Cranston-Cuebas@ticketmaster.com">Todd.Cranston-Cuebas@ticketmaster.com</A>><BR>Cc:
<A
href="mailto:Losangeles-pm@pm.org">Losangeles-pm@pm.org</A><BR>Message-ID:
<BR> <<A
href="mailto:349627440612111026r77d77car55d2af881711f0a0@mail.gmail.com">349627440612111026r77d77car55d2af881711f0a0@mail.gmail.com</A>><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed <BR><BR>Todd, I would like to
volunteer as well.<BR><BR>Regarding demonstrations, I have a few
suggestions:<BR><BR>* An OpenGL application, doing simple things in 3D.<BR>*
A Perl-GTK application.<BR>* A wxPerl application. <BR>* A set of mod_perl
"hacks", showing interesting things.<BR><BR>These are all things that are
easy to show and/or that we can have<BR>running continously at the
Convention.<BR><BR>We could also give away mini CPAN CDs, all the latest
Perl modules in <BR>a CD so people can keep a "mirror" of CPAN on their
machines.<BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Juan Natera<BR><BR>On 12/8/06, Todd
Cranston-Cuebas <<A
href="mailto:Todd.Cranston-Cuebas@ticketmaster.com">Todd.Cranston-Cuebas@ticketmaster.com
</A>> wrote:<BR>><BR>><BR>> I wanted to open discussions on this
list as to whether the LA.pm would like<BR>> to host a booth at the
upcoming Southern California Linux Expo (SCALE) to be<BR>> held on the
weekend of February 10th and 11th <BR>> (<A
href="http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale5x/">http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale5x/</A>).
As a local user<BR>> group, there would be NO COST! Trust me, that's a
wonderful thing so I'd<BR>> really like to take advantage of their
generosity. I'll only do this though <BR>> if we can get members to
volunteer to sign-up for specific spots to sit in<BR>> the booth and
evangelize for our favorite programming language.<BR>><BR>> I have
attended this event for a few years and the turn out for open-source
<BR>> minded individuals is just tremendous. This is a great opportunity
to keep<BR>> the buzz for perl alive in our area and perhaps have a very
public forum for<BR>> addressing specific misinformation that to my
surprise never seems to go <BR>> away (e.g., perl is slow, perl can't
scale, perl can't be used for building<BR>> "real" applications,
etc.).<BR>><BR>> The only requirement that SCALE organizers place on
us is that we will have <BR>> to have live demonstration systems showing
something related to perl at the<BR>> show. They'll provide free internet
access and power. We need to provide a<BR>> few boxes showing "something"
that we can demonstrate. This could be <BR>> examples of performance
tests in operation, a perl-based rapid development<BR>> framework, etc. I
think it would be ideal if the demonstration could address<BR>> one of
perl's common misconceptions (e.g., performance, difficulty to use, <BR>>
etc.) rather than just do something cryptic or esoteric.<BR>><BR>> In
order to know if we should proceed, I'll need for everyone who is<BR>>
interested to reply.<BR>><BR>> 1). Should we have a booth? <BR>>
2). Will you take a time slot at the event (Sat-Sun - Feb 10-11). The
length<BR>> of the "slot" will depend on the number of
volunteers.<BR>> 3). Do you have an idea for a demonstration?<BR>> 4).
Will you help to build one or more demonstrations? <BR>><BR>>
Regards,<BR>><BR>> Todd<BR>><BR>> Todd Cranston-Cuebas<BR>>
Ticketmaster<BR>> 8800 W. Sunset Blvd.<BR>> West Hollywood, CA
90069<BR>> Phone: (310) 360-2436; Mobile: (310) 422-3347<BR>> <A
href="mailto:tcc@ticketmaster.com">tcc@ticketmaster.com</A><BR>>
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2<BR>Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2006 10:56:08 -0800 <BR>From: Todd Cranston-Cuebas
<<A
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[LA.pm] Need more input: So far positive on a booth<BR>To: <A
href="mailto:losangeles-pm@pm.org">losangeles-pm@pm.org</A><BR>Message-ID:<BR> <<A
href="mailto:71D28C8451BFD5119B2B00508BE26E640D4041C4@pasmail3.office.tmcs">71D28C8451BFD5119B2B00508BE26E640D4041C4@pasmail3.office.tmcs</A>><BR>Content-Type:
text/plain; charset="us-ascii" <BR><BR>So far, I have had a number of people
contact me directly with a big<BR>positive response to supporting a booth at
SCALE. Please do me a favor and<BR>respond back to the whole group so others
can get a sense of how many people <BR>are supportive of the idea. I'll need
volunteers to:<BR><BR>1). Do stints in the booth talking to people who might
be interested in the<BR>LA.pm specifically and perl in general. I'd expect
the commitment to be<BR>something in the range of 2-3 hours. <BR><BR>2). I'd
like to have a library of sample books available at the booth to<BR>show
people the support that perl has in the industry. I'd like someone
to<BR>coordinate borrowing books if necessary to have a nice representation
at the <BR>desk. I have a number of books I can bring but I'd like someone
responsible<BR>for this.<BR><BR>3). I'll need a team (or two) of
demo-builders. Here are some ideas...<BR><BR> A).
Check out dataplace -- <<A href="http://www.dataplace.org/">
http://www.dataplace.org/</A>><BR><A
href="http://www.dataplace.org">http://www.dataplace.org</A> . We did get an
offer to do a live demo on this<BR>interesting site during the show. This is
a mod_perl/MASON based system <BR>showing off some very fun web 2.0 stuff on
this site supported by a<BR>non-profit. If there can be some nice talk about
the "behind-the-scenes" as<BR>to how this was accomplished, I'd like to see
this one demo'd. <BR><BR>Also, I was emailing back-and-forth with Philippe
Chiasson and I think there<BR>were a few very good ideas that came from the
conversation...<BR><BR> B). Something comparing cgi,
fastcgi, mod_perl/prefork,<BR>mod_perl/threaded, modperl::registry vs
mod_perl-handler with an automated <BR>benchmark/graphing tool in semi
real-time (i.e., live, cool graphics showing<BR>off the major speed and
performance achievable with
modr-Per-handlers,<BR>etc.).<BR><BR> C). A live demo
of Jifty (the RonR type rapid web development <BR>framework). Catalyst could
also be an option if we had somone very<BR>familiarly. I think Jifty might
be the better choice if someone is familiar<BR>with it since it may have
more demo "gee whiz" features. I think I could get <BR>this running but
would be a poor demonstrator of anything of any
depth.<BR><BR> D: We also had suggestions for the
following demos... I'm open to all<BR>but we need people to build them and
be ready to show others who to show <BR>them off OR plan to be in the booth
most of the time to do the
demos.<BR>
* An OpenGL application, doing simple things in
3D.<BR><BR>
* A Perl-GTK
application.<BR><BR>
* A wxPerl application.
<BR><BR>
* A set of mod_perl "hacks", showing interesting things.<BR><BR>I'm not
stuck on these ideas, so if you have a better idea, please let me<BR>know.
In the long-run, the deciding factor is going to be who jumps up and
<BR>says "I'll work on this with Bob, Mary, Joe, etc. and pull this together
for<BR>the group." I'll be clear on this, I can't set up these demos since
I'm too<BR>much of a newbie.<BR><BR>4). People to volunteer machines for the
demo. Ideally, this will be the <BR>people who create the demo in the first
place since it would probably be<BR>much easier to build and deploy on the
same machine, but...<BR><BR>No money is involved here just to be part of the
booth group. It's just some <BR>dedication of prep time and a willingness to
give up a little of your<BR>weekend. I know that weekend time is tough, but
this is a great event to<BR>help build the organization so we can continue
to attract monthly speakers <BR>and even sponsor larger perl
events.<BR><BR>I'll have to let the organizers know shortly, but I won't
commit unless I<BR>can get a good batch of vocal volunteers. Thanks all who
have jumped in to<BR>show support up to this point. Again, respond back to
the main list. <BR><BR>Regards,<BR><BR>Todd<BR><BR>Todd
Cranston-Cuebas<BR>Ticketmaster <<A
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