From naterajj at gmail.com Thu Sep 6 22:11:50 2007 From: naterajj at gmail.com (Juan Jose Natera) Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:11:50 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] LA.pm Tech. Meeting, brian d foy speaking in Santa Monica, Thursday Sept 20th Message-ID: <349627440709062211h7664263eya0385fd103b799e3@mail.gmail.com> Announcing LA.pm's next meeting! What: brian d foy will present "Making your own CPAN" When: Thursday the 20th of September, from 7:00pm to 9:00pm Where: Rent.com 2425 Olympic Blvd, Suite 400E Santa Monica, CA LA.pm is very glad to welcome back renowned Perl author brian d foy, for his presentation about "Making your own CPAN", discover how CPAN works and how to create your own local mirrors, it's CPAN to go!. The meeting will be held at the Rent.com offices in Santa Monica on Thursday the 20th of September, from 7:00pm to 9:00pm brian d foy is an instructor for Stonhenge Consulting Services, he has co-authored many Perl books, including: Learning Perl, Intermediate Perl, and his recent solo book Mastering Perl. He is the creator and a regular contributor of the quarterly magazine The Perl Review (TPR) and one of the founders of the first Perl Mongers group, New York PM. To get more information about brian please check his website: http://www.pair.com/~comdog/ His presentation is drawn from an article that will appear in the Fall 2007 issue of TPR, so if you can't make it to the meeting make sure to take a look at the magazine: http://www.theperlreview.com Rent.com is an Ebay company, and one of the local Perl shops, they are located in Santa Monica. Find out more at http://www.rent.com/company/why IMPORTANT INFORMATION BELOW Google Map: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=2425+Olympic+Blvd,+Suite+400E,+Santa+Monica,+CA&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.50801,111.621094&ie=UTF8&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1 Parking Instructions: *** Attendees please make sure to park in the Visitors section. PLEASE DO NOT FORGET TO BRING YOUR PARKING TICKETS FOR VALIDATION *** Seating is limited and will be available on a first come, first served basis. The LA.pm Team From geekhunter at gmail.com Fri Sep 7 07:58:16 2007 From: geekhunter at gmail.com (Todd Cranston-Cuebas) Date: Fri, 7 Sep 2007 07:58:16 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] LA.pm Tech. Meeting, brian d foy speaking in Santa Monica, Thursday Sept 20th In-Reply-To: <349627440709062211h7664263eya0385fd103b799e3@mail.gmail.com> References: <349627440709062211h7664263eya0385fd103b799e3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <803d9f750709070758s206277a7uc782320f2322e969@mail.gmail.com> Great speakers!!! Very cool. On 9/6/07, Juan Jose Natera wrote: > > Announcing LA.pm's next meeting! > > What: > brian d foy will present "Making your own CPAN" > > When: > Thursday the 20th of September, from 7:00pm to 9:00pm > > Where: > Rent.com > 2425 Olympic Blvd, Suite 400E > Santa Monica, CA > > LA.pm is very glad to welcome back renowned Perl author brian d foy, > for his presentation about "Making your own CPAN", discover how CPAN > works and how to create your own local mirrors, it's CPAN to go!. > The meeting will be held at the Rent.com offices in Santa Monica > on Thursday the 20th of September, from 7:00pm to 9:00pm > > brian d foy is an instructor for Stonhenge Consulting Services, he has > co-authored many Perl books, including: Learning Perl, Intermediate Perl, > and his recent solo book Mastering Perl. He is the creator and a regular > contributor of the quarterly magazine The Perl Review (TPR) and one of > the founders of the first Perl Mongers group, New York PM. To get more > information about brian please check his website: > > http://www.pair.com/~comdog/ > > His presentation is drawn from an article that will appear in the Fall > 2007 > issue of TPR, so if you can't make it to the meeting make sure to take a > look > at the magazine: http://www.theperlreview.com > > Rent.com is an Ebay company, and one of the local Perl shops, they are > located in Santa Monica. Find out more at > > http://www.rent.com/company/why > > IMPORTANT INFORMATION BELOW > > Google Map: > > > http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=2425+Olympic+Blvd,+Suite+400E,+Santa+Monica,+CA&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.50801,111.621094&ie=UTF8&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1 > > Parking Instructions: > *** Attendees please make sure to park in the Visitors section. > PLEASE DO NOT FORGET TO BRING YOUR PARKING TICKETS FOR VALIDATION *** > > Seating is limited and will be available on a first come, first served > basis. > > The LA.pm Team > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20070907/ccd0d4c8/attachment.html From naterajj at gmail.com Mon Sep 10 13:36:29 2007 From: naterajj at gmail.com (Juan Jose Natera) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 13:36:29 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] LA.pm Social meeting with Steven Lembark Message-ID: <349627440709101336p2652df26p3c2edb7d9f25ecc3@mail.gmail.com> LA.pm next social meeting! What: LA.pm Social Meeting with Steven Lembark When: Wednesday, Sept 26th at 8:00pm Where: Barney's Beanery West Hollywood 8447 Santa Monica Blvd. Hollywood, CA 90069 Join us on Wednesday the 26th of September to meet Steven Lembark, Steven is a Perl Monger that moved from LA to NYC a few years ago, he has been using Perl since before it was associated with humped mammals, he also has spoken at OSCON and YAPC::NA, and if you buy him a beer he'll introduce you to his best friend, "map". For directions, check out the google map: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=+8447+Santa+Monica+Blvd.%0D%0AHollywood,+CA+90069&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=31.922255,76.464844&ie=UTF8&ll=34.091052,-118.373694&spn=0.008139,0.018668&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1 The LA.pm Team From andy at petdance.com Mon Sep 10 13:47:42 2007 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 15:47:42 -0500 Subject: [LA.pm] LA.pm Social meeting with Steven Lembark In-Reply-To: <349627440709101336p2652df26p3c2edb7d9f25ecc3@mail.gmail.com> References: <349627440709101336p2652df26p3c2edb7d9f25ecc3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070910204742.GA17773@petdance.com> On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 01:36:29PM -0700, Juan Jose Natera (naterajj at gmail.com) wrote: > Join us on Wednesday the 26th of September to meet Steven Lembark, > Steven is a Perl Monger that moved from LA to NYC a few years ago, he > has been using Perl since before it was associated with humped I didn't know he was LA. I always new him as a Chicago->NY guy. -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From naterajj at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 09:11:33 2007 From: naterajj at gmail.com (Juan Jose Natera) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 09:11:33 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] Reminder: brian d foy speaking in Santa Monica, Tonight! Message-ID: <349627440709200911y785cbbes246824f1c8fcebab@mail.gmail.com> Announcing LA.pm's next meeting! What: brian d foy will present "Making your own CPAN" When: Tonight from 7:00pm to 9:00pm Where: Rent.com 2425 Olympic Blvd, Suite 400E Santa Monica, CA LA.pm is very glad to welcome back renowned Perl author brian d foy, for his presentation about "Making your own CPAN", discover how CPAN works and how to create your own local mirrors, it's CPAN to go!. The meeting will be held at the Rent.com offices in Santa Monica tonight, from 7:00pm to 9:00pm brian d foy is an instructor for Stonehenge Consulting Services, he has co-authored many Perl books, including: Learning Perl, Intermediate Perl, and his recent solo book Mastering Perl. He is the creator and a regular contributor of the quarterly magazine The Perl Review (TPR) and one of the founders of the first Perl Mongers group, New York PM. To get more information about brian please check his website: http://www.pair.com/~comdog/ His presentation is drawn from an article that will appear in the Fall 2007 issue of TPR, so if you can't make it to the meeting make sure to take a look at the magazine: http://www.theperlreview.com Rent.com is an Ebay company, and one of the local Perl shops, they are located in Santa Monica. Find out more at http://www.rent.com/company/why IMPORTANT INFORMATION BELOW Google Map: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=2425+Olympic+Blvd,+Suite+400E,+Santa+Monica,+CA&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=48.50801,111.621094&ie=UTF8&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1 Parking Instructions: *** Attendees please make sure to park in the Visitors section. PLEASE DO NOT FORGET TO BRING YOUR PARKING TICKETS FOR VALIDATION *** Seating is limited and will be available on a first come, first served basis. The LA.pm Team From lpangan at Shopzilla.com Thu Sep 20 10:42:48 2007 From: lpangan at Shopzilla.com (Lito Pangan) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:42:48 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] Sr. Software Engineer (OO Perl) Position at Shopzilla Message-ID: Hello! Shopzilla is currently hiring for a Perl Developer (job description attached below). Please send inquiries to lpangan at shopzilla.com. Job Description: Senior Software Engineer Are you tired of pouring yourself into projects that never see the light of day? Are you constantly frustrated by being forced to compromise in the name of expediency? Shopzilla went from 140 employees and $70MM in revenue in 2004 to over 230 employees and $150MM in revenue in 2005 by putting the smartest minds together to create the world's greatest comparison shopping site. If you are an experienced, creative engineer who takes joy in the design and development of elegant solutions, then read on. As Senior Software Engineer you will: * Share responsibility and ownership of the Shopzilla.com website * Work closely with R&D and business analytics teams * Dream up and design new products and functionality * foreach(@day){next if /^(sat|sun)/i;goto WORK; write CODE; goto BAR if /^(th|fr)/i; sleep;} * Write code used by millions of people per day * Not compromise on quality * Work closely with other brilliant engineers on a daily basis * Develop core technology, including the design/architecture of new solutions and the refactoring and refinement of existing systems * Mentor junior members of the team * Serve as key architect for many key classes, protocols, and APIs * Help shape the future of online shopping Required Skills: * Perl/mod_perl * RDBMS fundamentals * Proficient in Object Oriented design and development * Ability to formally communicate architectural designs and plans * Experience working with developers and project/business owners * Experience integrating open source technologies in application development Desired skills: * Test-driven development * Fundamentals in design patterns * Participation in Agile development environment * Template Toolkit experience * BS in Computer Science or comparable experience * Domain experience in n-tier web application development * Working experience with web and networking protocols and concepts Shopzilla, formerly BizRate.com, is the largest U.S. online shopping search engine. With over 30 million products from more than 70,000 stores, gathered, organized and presented using a combination of proprietary and open source technologies, Shopzilla provides consumers the best way to find virtually anything for sale, anywhere, and at the best price. In addition to our flagship site (www.shopzilla.com) and well known BizRate brand (www.bizrate.com), Shopzilla also powers shopping search for many of the Web's largest consumer sites including AOL, Lycos, Time Warner's RoadRunner, and many others. Shopzilla offers great benefits including medical, dental and vision plans, life insurance, 401(k) plan, flexible spending account, generous vacation benefits -- and FREE catered lunch everyday! So, if you are the super-star type -- the one who all look to as the smartest in your area of expertise -- love challenging yourself, and are searching for a place to work where people care, your ideas matter and you'll enjoy showing up for work...don't walk, run to your nearest e-mail sending device and contact us! Shopzilla is an Equal Opportunity Employer. Lito Pangan Senior Recruiter Shopzilla, Inc 12200 W. Olympic Blvd, Ste 300 Los Angeles, Ca 90064 Tel/Fax: (310) 903-4405 E-MAIL CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: The contents of this e-mail message and any attachments are intended solely for the addressee and may contain confidential and/or legally privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this message or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message and any attachments. If you are not the intended recipient, you are notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, copying, or storage of this message or any attachment is strictly prohibited. http://www.shopzilla.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20070920/40369de2/attachment.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/gif Size: 1074 bytes Desc: image001.gif Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20070920/40369de2/attachment.gif From naterajj at gmail.com Thu Sep 20 10:57:03 2007 From: naterajj at gmail.com (Juan Jose Natera) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 10:57:03 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] About the SoCal Linux Expo (SCALE) 6x Message-ID: <349627440709201057t7e751014h5adbae0c95659792@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, Back in February, LA.pm had a booth at SCALE 5x (Thanks to Todd), we, of course, used it to promote Perl. SCALE 6x is fast approaching and we need to get ready for it. Things we need to do *very soon*: * We need to have a Demo running to show at the booth, one of the coolest ideas mentioned so far is a demo of MisterHouse ( http://misterhouse.sf.net ). Whatever the demo will be, it must be determined soon because it is a requirement to reserve the booth space. Nice to have: * It would be great to have someone give a Perl talk, the call for papers is open until Nov. 30th: http://socallinuxexpo.org/scale6x/conference-info/calls-for-papers/ * We would like to have people from all SoCal Perl Mongers groups at the booth: LA, OC, San Diego, Thousand Oaks, etc (Am I missing some?). Please reply with your ideas and suggestions, and/or let's discuss it after this tonight's meeting. For more information about SCALE 6x, please visit http://socallinuxexpo.org The LA.pm Team From ask at develooper.com Thu Sep 20 15:11:57 2007 From: ask at develooper.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ask_Bj=F8rn_Hansen?=) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 15:11:57 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] About the SoCal Linux Expo (SCALE) 6x In-Reply-To: <349627440709201057t7e751014h5adbae0c95659792@mail.gmail.com> References: <349627440709201057t7e751014h5adbae0c95659792@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42F6A77E-9AEF-44C5-B888-3CDF5D1EFF9B@develooper.com> On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:57, Juan Jose Natera wrote: > * We need to have a Demo running to show at the booth, one of the > coolest ideas mentioned so far is a demo of MisterHouse ( > http://misterhouse.sf.net ). Whatever the demo will be, it must be > determined soon because it is a requirement to reserve the booth > space. How about showing off Request Tracker? - ask -- http://develooper.com/ - http://askask.com/ From naterajj at gmail.com Fri Sep 21 11:18:47 2007 From: naterajj at gmail.com (Juan Jose Natera) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:18:47 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] About last night's meeting Message-ID: <349627440709211118j3d64ead4y5f0af0b864699cc1@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, Last night's meeting was excellent, brian is a great speaker, drawing a crowd of about 30 people, he delivered an awesome presentation that has the potential of helping every Perl programmer. We believe he recorded the presentation, so it should show up in perlcast.com in the future. If you missed it, check the latest issue of The Perl review (TPR) as it includes an article by brian that covers the topic presented. We also wanted to thank last night's hosts Matt and Alain from Rent.com, for allowing us to meet at their offices. Last but not least, we wanted to thank all the people that participated in the survey, it will help us in making the kind of meetings you want to attend to. We will post results of the survey after we process all the data during the weekend. A quick review revealed that Perl 6 was the most wanted topic followed by Debugging, Testing, Web App Frameworks and Object Oriented Perl. Until next time, The LA.pm Team P.S. Remember, next week we have the social meeting with Steven Lembark at Barney's Beanery in West Hollywood, details at http://la.pm.org From pablo at paeli.com Fri Sep 21 11:43:34 2007 From: pablo at paeli.com (Pablo Velasquez) Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 11:43:34 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] About the SoCal Linux Expo (SCALE) 6x In-Reply-To: <42F6A77E-9AEF-44C5-B888-3CDF5D1EFF9B@develooper.com> References: <349627440709201057t7e751014h5adbae0c95659792@mail.gmail.com> <42F6A77E-9AEF-44C5-B888-3CDF5D1EFF9B@develooper.com> Message-ID: <200709211143.34840.pablo@paeli.com> RT sure has an impressive resume: " Among others, RT is used by NASA, MIT, Carnegie Mellon University (CMU), and Merrill Lynch and acts as the centralized bug reporting system for both the Comprehensive Perl Archive Network and Perl 5/6 itself. " On Thursday 20 September 2007 3:11:57 pm Ask Bj?rn Hansen wrote: > On Sep 20, 2007, at 10:57, Juan Jose Natera wrote: > > * We need to have a Demo running to show at the booth, one of the > > coolest ideas mentioned so far is a demo of MisterHouse ( > > http://misterhouse.sf.net ). Whatever the demo will be, it must be > > determined soon because it is a requirement to reserve the booth > > space. > > How about showing off Request Tracker? > > > - ask From naterajj at gmail.com Mon Sep 24 10:43:08 2007 From: naterajj at gmail.com (Juan Jose Natera) Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 10:43:08 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] Perl talk @ UUASC-OC, Monday October 8th, 2007 Message-ID: <349627440709241043x56daa280w56b7c0beaede1bf1@mail.gmail.com> Hi everyone, UUASC is having another Perl talk, this one looks good for those interested in OO programming. Best regards, Juan Natera ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Hershel Remer Date: Sep 24, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: UUASC-OC October 2007 Program To: uuasc-announce at uuasc.org UUASC-OC Unix Users Association of Southern California Orange County Chapter October Meeting --------------------------------------------- Building Tools With Perl --------------------------------------------- Monday, Oct. 8, 7-9 PM Sun Microsystems, Inc. 2020 S. Main St. in Irvine 12th Floor --------------------------------------------- This month a senior systems administrator with years of experience designing tools will share with us the keys to his success in modeling code in a sensible way. At the October meeting of UUASC-OC, our own Patrick Freeman makes his UUASC speaking debut by using Perl to show us how to take steps to enhance our tool sets, and in doing so, he will focus on modeling-before-coding and object-oriented (OO) programming. Patrick will reveal the lessons he learned in using Design Patterns in a model-before-code oriented approach to tool writing. He will discuss his successes and failures, and compare them to other approaches. He even plans to open the floor for discussion of our own coding experiences. Patrick started his career in IT back in the days of Solaris 2.4, mostly involved since that time with system administration and systems design work from the operating system down through the hardware. He is currently working at a pre-market-launch wireless carrier where he designs validation and systems engineering for a newly implemented back haul technology. POST-MEETING ACTIVITIES: Join us at the Pilsner Room, within walking distance. AFTER HOURS ACCESS: The Sun building's doors are locked at 7 p.m. If you arrive late, please contact the guard at 949-372-2937 or 949-279-1539 for access. CARPOOL INFO: If you are interested in joining a carpool with other members, please post an email to the general list, uuasc at uuasc.org , requesting carpool info. PARKING: Convenient FREE parking is located next to the Sun office building in the visitor parking lot for after hours usage. Take a ticket when entering the garage but don't be concerned - no one will be there to collect money when the meeting ends, so you can exit for free. DIRECTIONS: Exit the San Diego Freeway (I-405) at MacArthur, go north (away from the airport) to the signal at Main Street (the first cross-street), turn right to Mercantile (the first signal on Main Street), turn right to parking. Please visit our web site, http://uuasc.org/oc.html , where you will find a detailed map. 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Generally, meetings include a technical presentation on a hardware or software topic of current interest to the Unix community and a round-table discussion of current topics of interest to the group. We are always looking for interesting presentations and your suggestions are most welcome. Please join us this month and bring along your friends or co-workers. Also, please forward this announcement to others who may be interested and feel free to post it to wherever you wish, both electronically and physically. If you receive more than one announcement by email, please let us know so we can keep our lists current. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This list is for announcements only. Send all discussion to the regular UUASC list. For details, send message "info uuasc" to Majordomo at uuasc.org. To unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe uuasc-announce" to Majordomo at uuasc.org. From naterajj at gmail.com Wed Sep 26 09:56:49 2007 From: naterajj at gmail.com (Juan Jose Natera) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 09:56:49 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] Reminder, Social Meeting with Steven Lembark, Tonight! Message-ID: <349627440709260956u201d9108p1611842bc40c2989@mail.gmail.com> Hello all, don't forget about tonight's social meeting! What: LA.pm Social Meeting with Steven Lembark When: Tonight, Wednesday, Sept 26th at 8:00pm Where: Barney's Beanery West Hollywood 8447 Santa Monica Blvd. Hollywood, CA 90069 Join us on Tonight, Wednesday 26th of September to meet Steven Lembark, Steven is a Perl Monger that moved from LA to NYC a few years ago, he has been using Perl since before it was associated with humped mammals, he also has spoken at OSCON and YAPC::NA, and if you buy him a beer he'll introduce you to his best friend, "map". For directions, check out the google map: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=+8447+Santa+Monica+Blvd.%0D%0AHollywood,+CA+90069&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=31.922255,76.464844&ie=UTF8&ll=34.091052,-118.373694&spn=0.008139,0.018668&z=16&iwloc=addr&om=1 The LA.pm Team From chris at chrisgrau.com Wed Sep 26 17:49:50 2007 From: chris at chrisgrau.com (Chris Grau) Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:49:50 -0700 Subject: [LA.pm] Damian Conway Live, One night only! Message-ID: <20070927004950.GD13053@chrisgrau.com> Not exactly right next door for all of you North of Pendleton types, but you're welcome if you'd like to come. ----- Forwarded message from Bob Kleemann ----- From: Bob Kleemann To: Perl Mongers Subject: [San-Diego-pm] Damian Conway Live, One night only! Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 17:34:17 -0700 San Diego Perl Mongers present: Damian Conway "Sex and Violence: Social and Technical Lessons from the Perl 6 Project" Thursday, 4 October 2007, 7:00pm Auditorium of Qualcomm's Building Q 6455 Lusk Blvd. San Diego, CA 92121 San Diego Perl Mongers is proud to present Damian Conway! One night only in San Diego at Qualcomm's Building Q Auditorium. Come and enjoy as he presents "Sex and Violence: Social and Technical Lessons from the Perl 6 Project" the latest in a long line of presentations to amuse and excite your brain, your wits, and your Perl! Please, invite any and all people that may be interested in attending. The San Diego Perl Mongers look forward to meeting all of you there. _______________________________________________ San-Diego-pm mailing list San-Diego-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/san-diego-pm ----- End forwarded message ----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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