From vani at webchic.net Tue Feb 3 20:40:31 2004 From: vani at webchic.net (Vani Raja) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] la.pm on orkut Message-ID: <7FED0672-56BB-11D8-B681-000A95E88B9E@webchic.net> Okay, so there's another friendster out and about, http://www.orkut.com/. I'm not sure how much less likely it is to be abused as friendster was, but it's worth a shot. :oP One nice advantage is communities, and a number of Perl ones have already been setup, including LA.pm. If you're interested in succumbing to the peer pressure and joining, let me know. I'm sure between Robert's 40-or-so friends (or Ask's 80-odd friends), there's someone you know. Failing that, all the more reason to come to the next LA.pm event. :o) - Vani From rspier at pobox.com Tue Feb 3 22:44:46 2004 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] la.pm on orkut In-Reply-To: <7FED0672-56BB-11D8-B681-000A95E88B9E@webchic.net> References: <7FED0672-56BB-11D8-B681-000A95E88B9E@webchic.net> Message-ID: > Failing that, all the more reason to come to the next LA.pm event. :o) Speaking of the next event, we should have one soon. Unless anyone wants to give a talk, lets have a dinner. Anyone want to propose a cuisine? The Downtown/Silver Lake/Los Feliz area seems to work pretty well. -R From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Wed Feb 4 09:24:46 2004 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] la.pm on orkut In-Reply-To: References: <7FED0672-56BB-11D8-B681-000A95E88B9E@webchic.net> Message-ID: <20040204152446.GD21320@darkuncle.net> On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 08:44:46PM -0800, rspier@pobox.com said: > > Failing that, all the more reason to come to the next LA.pm event. :o) > > Speaking of the next event, we should have one soon. > > Unless anyone wants to give a talk, lets have a dinner. > > Anyone want to propose a cuisine? The Downtown/Silver Lake/Los Feliz > area seems to work pretty well. THAI. I am _really_ craving green curry and tom kah kai right now. The best thai I've ever had was at Original Thai in North Hollywood ... not expensive, good service, easy to get to (corner of Riverside/Camarillo/Tujunga, where the 170/101/134 converge). I've been looking around LA for another Thai restaurant that is as good, and have come up disappointed every time so far. -- Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 "I gave you the chance of aiding me willingly, but you have elected the way of pain!" -- Saruman, speaking for sysadmins everywhere -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I've been looking around LA for another Thai > >restaurant that is as good, and have come up disappointed every time > >so far. > > Ohhhhh. THAI. *huge grin* I am soooooo in favor of Thai. :o) Anyone > oppose this beautiful decision? since the headers indicated this just went to me, I'm sending it on ... -- Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 "I gave you the chance of aiding me willingly, but you have elected the way of pain!" -- Saruman, speaking for sysadmins everywhere -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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How does next Thursday sound, 7pm? -R From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Wed Feb 4 14:21:31 2004 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] la.pm on orkut In-Reply-To: References: <7FED0672-56BB-11D8-B681-000A95E88B9E@webchic.net> <20040204152446.GD21320@darkuncle.net> Message-ID: <20040204202131.GM21320@darkuncle.net> On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 11:10:17AM -0800, rspier@pobox.com said: > > THAI. I am _really_ craving green curry and tom kah kai right now. The best > > thai I've ever had was at Original Thai in North Hollywood ... not expensive, > > good service, easy to get to (corner of Riverside/Camarillo/Tujunga, where > > the 170/101/134 converge). I've been looking around LA for another Thai > > restaurant that is as good, and have come up disappointed every time so far. > > Well, since you're ranting and raving about this place, it must be > good. > > How does next Thursday sound, 7pm? I'm _there_. I may even bring my wife; she loves the place as much as I do. :) -- Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 "I gave you the chance of aiding me willingly, but you have elected the way of pain!" -- Saruman, speaking for sysadmins everywhere -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20040204/a4d802e4/attachment.bin From cnk at caltech.edu Wed Feb 4 15:16:09 2004 From: cnk at caltech.edu (Cynthia Kiser) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] la.pm on orkut In-Reply-To: <20040204202131.GM21320@darkuncle.net> References: <7FED0672-56BB-11D8-B681-000A95E88B9E@webchic.net> <20040204152446.GD21320@darkuncle.net> <20040204202131.GM21320@darkuncle.net> Message-ID: <20040204211609.GC9934@clyde.caltech.edu> Thursday 2/12 7 PM Original Thai. Sounds good. Will someone please post a "see you all tonight" note to the list for those of us with so many calendars that we never look at any of them. Thanks, -- Cynthia Kiser cnk@caltech.edu From arkadiy at arkadiy.com Wed Feb 4 16:17:15 2004 From: arkadiy at arkadiy.com (arkadiy@arkadiy.com) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] la.pm on orkut In-Reply-To: <20040204211609.GC9934@clyde.caltech.edu> References: <7FED0672-56BB-11D8-B681-000A95E88B9E@webchic.net> <20040204152446.GD21320@darkuncle.net> <20040204202131.GM21320@darkuncle.net> <20040204211609.GC9934@clyde.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <1075933035.40216f6b0ccaf@66.243.14.131> Check. ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From djlerman at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 13:09:07 2004 From: djlerman at yahoo.com (Donavon Lerman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Introduction... Message-ID: <20040205190908.77573.qmail@web41508.mail.yahoo.com> Hello all, My name is Donavon and I am a beginning PERL perogrammer at Kaiser Permanente. No they didn't adopt Open Source I just do stuff for our department away from the prying eyes of IT. If ever it is mentioned higher up, blank stares just come across peoples faces. I wanted to come to your next gathering to meet other Programmers around LA, but I will performing on 02-12-04. If your up for Morrocan food, some live music and a bunch of Belly Dancers then another suggestion would be Moun of Tunis on Sunset (that's were i'll be stuck for the evening). Otherwise please keep me informed of the next gathering. Thanks, ~Donavon From rspier at pobox.com Thu Feb 5 16:21:55 2004 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] EVENT - feb 12 - original thai In-Reply-To: <20040204211609.GC9934@clyde.caltech.edu> References: <7FED0672-56BB-11D8-B681-000A95E88B9E@webchic.net> <20040204152446.GD21320@darkuncle.net> <20040204202131.GM21320@darkuncle.net> <20040204211609.GC9934@clyde.caltech.edu> Message-ID: We seem to have critical mass, so I've updated the website, which makes it official, or something. See y'all in a week. -R From djlerman at yahoo.com Thu Feb 5 20:54:57 2004 From: djlerman at yahoo.com (Donavon Lerman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Introduction update... Message-ID: <20040206025457.462.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Sorry the date I am performing is 02-19-04... MOUN OF TUNIS BELLY DANCE SHOWCASE HOSTED BY FARHANA THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 19, 2004 ~Donavon From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Fri Feb 6 15:32:46 2004 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Introduction update... In-Reply-To: <20040206025457.462.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040206025457.462.qmail@web41507.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040206213246.GC21320@darkuncle.net> On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 06:54:57PM -0800, djlerman@yahoo.com said: > Sorry the date I am performing is 02-19-04... > > MOUN OF TUNIS BELLY DANCE SHOWCASE > HOSTED BY FARHANA > THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 19, 2004 in that case, why not come by our dinner meeting on the 12th and meet a few of us? 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Anyone object fiercely to pushing this back a week to the 19th? (We're also not obligated to stay on Thursday... they've just worked in the past.) -R At Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:21:55 -0800, Robert Spier wrote: > > > We seem to have critical mass, so I've updated the website, which > makes it official, or something. > > See y'all in a week. > > -R > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From arkadiy at arkadiy.com Wed Feb 11 09:46:37 2004 From: arkadiy at arkadiy.com (Arkadiy) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] EVENT - feb 12 - original thai In-Reply-To: Message-ID: So, um .. what we doing? -----Original Message----- From: losangeles-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org [mailto:losangeles-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Robert Spier Sent: Mon, February 09, 2004 7:41 PM To: losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: Re: [LA.pm] EVENT - feb 12 - original thai Crap. Some friends of mine from the east coast are coming into town this weekend, and the only time they've allocated for me is Thursday. Anyone object fiercely to pushing this back a week to the 19th? (We're also not obligated to stay on Thursday... they've just worked in the past.) -R At Thu, 05 Feb 2004 14:21:55 -0800, Robert Spier wrote: > > > We seem to have critical mass, so I've updated the website, which > makes it official, or something. > > See y'all in a week. > > -R > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From cnk at caltech.edu Wed Feb 11 11:20:39 2004 From: cnk at caltech.edu (Cynthia Kiser) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] EVENT - feb 12 - original thai In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040211172039.GA26530@sue.caltech.edu> Since I am coming down with a cold, I would be in favor of postponing. Guess we need a LAMP web site with a voting package - or a benevolent leader who will make the decision. Quoting Arkadiy : > So, um .. what we doing? [the 12th or postponing to the 19th] -- Cynthia Kiser cnk@caltech.edu From rspier at pobox.com Wed Feb 11 11:46:20 2004 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] EVENT - feb 12 - original thai In-Reply-To: <20040211172039.GA26530@sue.caltech.edu> References: <20040211172039.GA26530@sue.caltech.edu> Message-ID: Ok. I've gotten enough messages (public and private) that I can officially postpone one week. :) The website is updated, so it's official. -R At Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:20:39 -0800, Cynthia Kiser wrote: > > Since I am coming down with a cold, I would be in favor of > postponing. > > Guess we need a LAMP web site with a voting package - or a benevolent > leader who will make the decision. > > Quoting Arkadiy : > > So, um .. what we doing? [the 12th or postponing to the 19th] > > > -- > Cynthia Kiser > cnk@caltech.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Wed Feb 11 11:34:31 2004 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] EVENT - feb 12 - original thai In-Reply-To: <20040211172039.GA26530@sue.caltech.edu> References: <20040211172039.GA26530@sue.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <20040211173431.GF22751@darkuncle.net> On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 09:20:39AM -0800, cnk@caltech.edu said: > Since I am coming down with a cold, I would be in favor of > postponing. > > Guess we need a LAMP web site with a voting package - or a benevolent > leader who will make the decision. Robert is close enough to both "benevolent" and "leader" to get my vote. :) See you all on Thursday the 19th at 7 PM at Original Thai in North Hollywood. -- Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 "I gave you the chance of aiding me willingly, but you have elected the way of pain!" -- Saruman, speaking for sysadmins everywhere -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20040211/3269d172/attachment.bin From arkadiy at arkadiy.com Wed Feb 11 11:54:05 2004 From: arkadiy at arkadiy.com (arkadiy@arkadiy.com) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] EVENT - feb 12 - original thai In-Reply-To: <20040211172039.GA26530@sue.caltech.edu> References: <20040211172039.GA26530@sue.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <1076522045.402a6c3d07e6f@66.243.14.131> Okay, 19th. See ya then. la.pm.org Quoting Cynthia Kiser : > Since I am coming down with a cold, I would be in favor of > postponing. > > Guess we need a LAMP web site with a voting package - or a benevolent > leader who will make the decision. > > Quoting Arkadiy : > > So, um .. what we doing? [the 12th or postponing to the 19th] > > > -- > Cynthia Kiser > cnk@caltech.edu > > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > > ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From sullivan at weightsnet.com Thu Feb 12 22:14:53 2004 From: sullivan at weightsnet.com (Michael Sullivan) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] EVENT - feb 12 - original thai In-Reply-To: References: <20040211172039.GA26530@sue.caltech.edu> Message-ID: <2CAE781E-5DDB-11D8-899F-003065A18E08@WeightsNet.com> > Ok. I've gotten enough messages (public and private) that I can > officially postpone one week. :) Anybody mind if a lurker shows up? I can't belly dance, though... -- Michael Sullivan sullivan@WeightsNet.com WeightsNet - Where the 'net pumps up (253)679-7600 voice/fax http://www.WeightsNet.com From rspier at pobox.com Fri Feb 13 00:24:41 2004 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] EVENT - feb 12 - original thai In-Reply-To: <2CAE781E-5DDB-11D8-899F-003065A18E08@WeightsNet.com> References: <20040211172039.GA26530@sue.caltech.edu> <2CAE781E-5DDB-11D8-899F-003065A18E08@WeightsNet.com> Message-ID: > > Ok. I've gotten enough messages (public and private) that I can > > officially postpone one week. :) > Anybody mind if a lurker shows up? I can't belly dance, though... Of course not. The event is open to anyone, as long as they're prepared to pay for their own food, and preferably have showered in the past day or soq. At least a minor interest in perl is reccomended, although not required. Interest in Java will probably be laughed at. -R From e at arix.com Fri Feb 13 02:06:12 2004 From: e at arix.com (Erick Calder) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] EVENT - feb 12 - original thai In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Interest in Java will probably be laughed at. I always knew I liked this crowd! -----Original Message----- From: losangeles-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org [mailto:losangeles-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Robert Spier Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:25 PM To: losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: Re: [LA.pm] EVENT - feb 12 - original thai > > Ok. I've gotten enough messages (public and private) that I can > > officially postpone one week. :) > Anybody mind if a lurker shows up? I can't belly dance, though... Of course not. The event is open to anyone, as long as they're prepared to pay for their own food, and preferably have showered in the past day or soq. At least a minor interest in perl is reccomended, although not required. Interest in Java will probably be laughed at. -R _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Fri Feb 13 14:43:04 2004 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] EVENT - feb 12 - original thai In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040213204304.GB4280@darkuncle.net> On Fri, Feb 13, 2004 at 12:06:12AM -0800, e@arix.com said: > > Interest in Java will probably be laughed at. > > I always knew I liked this crowd! just don't get us started on OSes or editors. (well, me anyway.) UUASC[*] is down the hall ... -- Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 "I gave you the chance of aiding me willingly, but you have elected the way of pain!" -- Saruman, speaking for sysadmins everywhere [*] http://www.uuasc.org - UNIX Users Association of Southern California -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20040213/ca36cc8f/attachment.bin From laura_saul at yahoo.com Wed Feb 18 15:22:40 2004 From: laura_saul at yahoo.com (Laura Saul) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Perl forums Message-ID: <20040218212240.135.qmail@web40601.mail.yahoo.com> Hi everyone! I was just wondering what Perl forums you guys frequent. The work I am doing right now has nothing to do with Perl, and I have noticed that I have started to get a little rusty. I would like to find a forum that will keep me in the loop. It would be nice to find something where people are asking a lot of questions - that way I can contribute by helping people out in addition to keeping Perl fresh on the brain. With the exception of the occasional google search, I usually used books whenever I had a Perl question, so I am not really plugged into the good sites. Thanks! Laura __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools From anthonym at overture.com Wed Feb 18 15:35:49 2004 From: anthonym at overture.com (anthonym@overture.com) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Perl forums In-Reply-To: <20040218212240.135.qmail@web40601.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040218212240.135.qmail@web40601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040218213549.GA10851@overture.com> http://www.perlmonks.org/ is a great site, and probably along the lines of what you want. -Anthony On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 01:22:40PM -0800, Laura Saul wrote: > Hi everyone! > I was just wondering what Perl forums you guys > frequent. The work I am doing right now has nothing to > do with Perl, and I have noticed that I have started > to get a little rusty. I would like to find a forum > that will keep me in the loop. It would be nice to > find something where people are asking a lot of > questions - that way I can contribute by helping > people out in addition to keeping Perl fresh on the > brain. With the exception of the occasional google > search, I usually used books whenever I had a Perl > question, so I am not really plugged into the good > sites. > > Thanks! > > Laura > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. > http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Anthony Molinaro From ben_tilly at operamail.com Wed Feb 18 15:48:15 2004 From: ben_tilly at operamail.com (Benjamin J. Tilly ) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Perl forums Message-ID: <20040218214815.2C08557C002@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> Laura Saul wrote: > Hi everyone! > I was just wondering what Perl forums you guys > frequent. The work I am doing right now has nothing to > do with Perl, and I have noticed that I have started > to get a little rusty. I would like to find a forum > that will keep me in the loop. It would be nice to > find something where people are asking a lot of > questions - that way I can contribute by helping > people out in addition to keeping Perl fresh on the > brain. With the exception of the occasional google > search, I usually used books whenever I had a Perl > question, so I am not really plugged into the good > sites. http://www.perlmonks.org/ is popular. In the past it had performance problems, but they upgraded recently and the performance has improved. You could also come to Thai tomorrow and meet people in person. See http://la.pm.org/ for details. Cheers, Ben From ask at develooper.com Wed Feb 18 17:06:09 2004 From: ask at develooper.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ask_Bj=F8rn_Hansen?=) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Perl forums In-Reply-To: <20040218214815.2C08557C002@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20040218214815.2C08557C002@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <0A1B74F8-6267-11D8-B1AC-000A957168EC@develooper.com> On Feb 18, 2004, at 1:48 PM, Benjamin J. Tilly wrote: > http://www.perlmonks.org/ is popular. In the past it had > performance problems, but they upgraded recently and the > performance has improved. There are also over a hundred public mailing lists at perl.org. :-) They are (poorly) listed at http://nntp.perl.org/group/ and differently listed with a bunch of other lists at http://lists.perl.org/ - ask -- http://www.askbjoernhansen.com/ From rspier at pobox.com Wed Feb 18 20:17:28 2004 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] THURSDAY: Thai Dinner Message-ID: Reminder! Thursday February 19th 7:00pm or so Original Thai http://losangeles.citysearch.com/profile/320553 11363 Riverside Dr North Hollywood, CA 91602 From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Thu Feb 19 11:58:54 2004 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] THURSDAY: Thai Dinner In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040219175853.GM4280@darkuncle.net> On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 06:17:28PM -0800, rspier@pobox.com said: > > Reminder! > > > Thursday February 19th > 7:00pm or so > > Original Thai > http://losangeles.citysearch.com/profile/320553 > 11363 Riverside Dr > North Hollywood, CA 91602 NOTE: parking is, well, almost non-existent. You may have better luck parking just south of the restaurant on the northbound side of Riverside Drive. Or you could just show up early and beat the rush. :) -- Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 "I gave you the chance of aiding me willingly, but you have elected the way of pain!" -- Saruman, speaking for sysadmins everywhere -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20040219/f77f18a1/attachment.bin From pete-perl at peterbenjamin.com Thu Feb 19 15:52:41 2004 From: pete-perl at peterbenjamin.com (Peter Benjamin) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] HTML page word count/density module? In-Reply-To: <20040219175853.GM4280@darkuncle.net> References: <20040219175853.GM4280@darkuncle.net> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040219135104.02751840@peterbenjamin.com> I'm writing my own word count/density perl after not finding one for over a year that I could install. I just recalled I ought to post here to see if any one knows if a CPAN module does this already, or other perl? From allenday at ucla.edu Thu Feb 19 17:20:59 2004 From: allenday at ucla.edu (Allen Day) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] HTML page word count/density module? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040219135104.02751840@peterbenjamin.com> Message-ID: can you expand on this question? i'm not sure what you're trying to do. -allen On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Peter Benjamin wrote: > > I'm writing my own word count/density perl after not > finding one for over a year that I could install. > I just recalled I ought to post here to see if any > one knows if a CPAN module does this already, or > other perl? > > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > From ben_tilly at operamail.com Thu Feb 19 18:02:21 2004 From: ben_tilly at operamail.com (Benjamin J. Tilly ) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] HTML page word count/density module? Message-ID: <20040220000221.E93DB57C002@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> Peter Benjamin wrote: > > I'm writing my own word count/density perl after not > finding one for over a year that I could install. > I just recalled I ought to post here to see if any > one knows if a CPAN module does this already, or > other perl? What you're asking for is highly unclear, but whatever you want to wind up with, HTML::TokeParser is likely to be useful in building it. Cheers, Ben From pete at peterbenjamin.com Thu Feb 19 18:39:17 2004 From: pete at peterbenjamin.com (Peter Benjamin) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] HTML page word count/density module? In-Reply-To: <20040220000221.E93DB57C002@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20040220000221.E93DB57C002@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040219161743.0268ec08@peterbenjamin.com> Oh, what was I thinking? HTML is sort of outside regular perl. But really good with HTML files and all the modules that support it. At 04:02 PM 2/19/2004, Benjamin J. Tilly wrote: >What you're asking for is highly unclear, but whatever >you want to wind up with, HTML::TokeParser is likely to >be useful in building it. Yes, it could be, if I had understood the documentation the first time I read it. Tokenizing an HTML page can be done with a few REs to separate each token with a newline. Search Engine Optimizing a web site means knowing what keywords to salt the page with. So doing word counts, now called word densities when a percentage is calculated is common place. Here is an example output. perl wordcount.pl ls1.list Word Word Count Percent Word ----- ------- ----------------- 559 4.232 the 320 2.423 to 211 1.597 for 209 1.582 of 205 1.552 a 199 1.507 and ... ... ... where ls1.list is a list of pathnames to HTML files, one per record. From rspier at pobox.com Thu Feb 19 19:42:24 2004 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] HTML page word count/density module? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040219161743.0268ec08@peterbenjamin.com> References: <20040220000221.E93DB57C002@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040219161743.0268ec08@peterbenjamin.com> Message-ID: > Here is an example output. > perl wordcount.pl ls1.list > > Word Word > Count Percent Word > ----- ------- ----------------- > 559 4.232 the > 320 2.423 to > 211 1.597 for > 209 1.582 of > 205 1.552 a > 199 1.507 and Taking HTML out of the picture, this is _trivial_. (And could be done in awk.) Changing HTML to text in a way suitable for this program is trivial. Ergo, 1+1=2. -R From sullivan at weightsnet.com Thu Feb 19 20:08:50 2004 From: sullivan at weightsnet.com (Michael Sullivan) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] HTML page word count/density module? In-Reply-To: References: <20040220000221.E93DB57C002@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040219161743.0268ec08@peterbenjamin.com> Message-ID: FWIW, when interviewing Perl developers I give a word count problem as a test. Great way to gauge their experience (vs. their resume). -- Michael Sullivan sullivan@WeightsNet.com WeightsNet - Where the 'net pumps up (253)679-7600 voice/fax http://www.WeightsNet.com From pete at peterbenjamin.com Thu Feb 19 21:04:58 2004 From: pete at peterbenjamin.com (Peter Benjamin) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] HTML page word count/density module? In-Reply-To: References: <20040220000221.E93DB57C002@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040219161743.0268ec08@peterbenjamin.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040219185440.027c8a18@peterbenjamin.com> At 05:42 PM 2/19/2004, Robert Spier wrote: >Taking HTML out of the picture, this is _trivial_. (And could be done >in awk.) > >Changing HTML to text in a way suitable for this program is trivial. I agree. It's one line of perl. Removing the embedded SCRIPT and STYLE - trivial too. Weighting certain HTML tag text values makes it harder. Like the TITLE, H1 to H6 tags, etc. Search engines weight those heavier, so this code must too. Certain HTML attribute values, like ALT, NAME and TITLE tags, must be flagged as coming from there. So why not flag where all the text came from... I was hoping to compare the output and methods used in any sample code with mine, and make sure mine did not miss any tricks. -- How's the dinner going? I had to stay home to prep for www.LAMPSIG.org meeting on Saturday. I co-host it. From clay at panix.com Thu Feb 19 22:18:24 2004 From: clay at panix.com (Clay Irving) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] HTML page word count/density module? In-Reply-To: References: <20040220000221.E93DB57C002@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040219161743.0268ec08@peterbenjamin.com> Message-ID: <20040220041824.GA12675@panix.com> On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 05:42:24PM -0800, Robert Spier wrote: > Taking HTML out of the picture, this is _trivial_. (And could be done > in awk.) -- Clay Irving We take drugs very seriously at my house. From pete at peterbenjamin.com Fri Feb 20 11:25:05 2004 From: pete at peterbenjamin.com (Peter Benjamin) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] HTML page word count/density module? In-Reply-To: <02BDF508-6376-11D8-AED1-000502FD36CB@scaldeferri.com> References: <6.0.1.1.0.20040219185440.027c8a18@peterbenjamin.com> <02BDF508-6376-11D8-AED1-000502FD36CB@scaldeferri.com> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040220092041.026b6e08@peterbenjamin.com> At 11:25 PM 2/19/2004, Kevin Scaldeferri wrote: >>I was hoping to compare the output and methods used in >>any sample code with mine, and make sure mine did not >>miss any tricks. > >You might look at Nutch (www.nutch.org), which is an attempt to build an open-source web search engine. I don't know if their indexing or scoring actually does anything like this, though. Also, it's in Java. I'm going to find out. Even in Java it will let me compare algorithms. Know one language, you know them all. Except APL and ADA are so different. Wish they were the standard languages of choice. The world would have error free computers that even talk. IMHO. >Other than that, I expect that anything that exists along these lines is likely to be proprietary. That is what I have found the last few months. No open source code projects even remotely hinting at doing this, until you gave me one. Maybe mine will be the first in CPAN, if I am not too embarrassed by the code. Thanks Kevin. From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Fri Feb 20 11:19:31 2004 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] HTML page word count/density module? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040219185440.027c8a18@peterbenjamin.com> References: <20040220000221.E93DB57C002@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040219161743.0268ec08@peterbenjamin.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040219185440.027c8a18@peterbenjamin.com> Message-ID: <20040220171931.GU4280@darkuncle.net> On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 07:04:58PM -0800, pete@peterbenjamin.com said: [snip] > How's the dinner going? I had to stay home to prep for > www.LAMPSIG.org meeting on Saturday. I co-host it. dinner was excellent - I didn't expect so many people to show up! And about half were folks I had either not met before, or didn't know were on the list. Looking forward to the next one. (maybe next time I can hang around longer... ) -- Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 "I gave you the chance of aiding me willingly, but you have elected the way of pain!" -- Saruman, speaking for sysadmins everywhere -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20040220/b33ff7fc/attachment.bin From kevin at scaldeferri.com Fri Feb 20 01:25:51 2004 From: kevin at scaldeferri.com (Kevin Scaldeferri) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] HTML page word count/density module? In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040219185440.027c8a18@peterbenjamin.com> Message-ID: <02BDF508-6376-11D8-AED1-000502FD36CB@scaldeferri.com> On Thursday, February 19, 2004, at 07:04 PM, Peter Benjamin wrote: > At 05:42 PM 2/19/2004, Robert Spier wrote: >> Taking HTML out of the picture, this is _trivial_. (And could be done >> in awk.) >> >> Changing HTML to text in a way suitable for this program is trivial. > > I agree. It's one line of perl. > Removing the embedded SCRIPT and STYLE - trivial too. > > Weighting certain HTML tag text values makes it harder. > Like the TITLE, H1 to H6 tags, etc. Search engines > weight those heavier, so this code must too. > > Certain HTML attribute values, like ALT, NAME and TITLE tags, > must be flagged as coming from there. > > So why not flag where all the text came from... > > I was hoping to compare the output and methods used in > any sample code with mine, and make sure mine did not > miss any tricks. > You might look at Nutch (www.nutch.org), which is an attempt to build an open-source web search engine. I don't know if their indexing or scoring actually does anything like this, though. Also, it's in Java. Other than that, I expect that anything that exists along these lines is likely to be proprietary. From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Fri Feb 20 15:18:45 2004 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] HTML page word count/density module? In-Reply-To: <20040220171931.GU4280@darkuncle.net> References: <20040220000221.E93DB57C002@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040219161743.0268ec08@peterbenjamin.com> <6.0.1.1.0.20040219185440.027c8a18@peterbenjamin.com> <20040220171931.GU4280@darkuncle.net> Message-ID: <20040220211844.GX4280@darkuncle.net> On Fri, Feb 20, 2004 at 09:19:31AM -0800, darkuncle@darkuncle.net said: > On Thu, Feb 19, 2004 at 07:04:58PM -0800, pete@peterbenjamin.com said: > [snip] > > How's the dinner going? I had to stay home to prep for > > www.LAMPSIG.org meeting on Saturday. I co-host it. > > dinner was excellent - I didn't expect so many people to show up! And about > half were folks I had either not met before, or didn't know were on the list. > > Looking forward to the next one. (maybe next time I can hang around > longer... ) also just found out that rent.com picked up the tab - big round of applause there. :) thanks guys! -- Scott Francis | darkuncle(at)darkuncle(dot)net | 0x5537F527 "I gave you the chance of aiding me willingly, but you have elected the way of pain!" -- Saruman, speaking for sysadmins everywhere -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20040220/032ef91a/attachment.bin From rspier at pobox.com Wed Feb 25 09:20:29 2004 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] YAPC::NA::2004 Registration Open! References: <9432.64.65.247.81.1077719739.squirrel@my.modwest.com> Message-ID: === Forwarded Message: Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:35:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Kevin Christopher" Subject: [pm_groups] YAPC::NA::2004 Registration Open! Spread the word to all your members: Registration Is Now Open for YAPC::NA::2004! Registration at http://www.yapc.org/America/register.shtml Details on lodging are also available. Dorm info is in the works. Links at http://www.yapc.org/America/ Talk proposals are currently being accepted. Deadline for submissions is March 27, 2004: http://www.yapc.org/America/cfp.shtml Kevin Christopher Buffalo Perl Mongers, Host Group for YAPC::NA::2004 buffalo.pm.org === End of Forwarded Message From lapm1 at rbrt.com Thu Feb 26 20:32:02 2004 From: lapm1 at rbrt.com (lapm1@rbrt.com) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] test bounce Message-ID: this should bounce From rspier at pobox.com Thu Feb 26 20:51:06 2004 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] test bounce In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > this should bounce Well. It didn't. Grr. -R From geoff at modperlcookbook.org Sun Feb 29 14:07:52 2004 From: geoff at modperlcookbook.org (Geoffrey Young) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] visiting LA Message-ID: <40424698.1080706@modperlcookbook.org> hi all I'll be visiting the LA area from march 8th through the 12th. I realize it's last minute, but does the group have any plans that week? not knowing the nature of the group, I'd be happy to give a light talk or crash a social dinner if there's enough interest. if not, maybe next time :) --Geoff From ask at develooper.com Sun Feb 29 14:25:04 2004 From: ask at develooper.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ask_Bj=F8rn_Hansen?=) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] visiting LA In-Reply-To: <40424698.1080706@modperlcookbook.org> References: <40424698.1080706@modperlcookbook.org> Message-ID: <5B647DB8-6AF5-11D8-A329-000A957168EC@develooper.com> On Feb 29, 2004, at 12:07 PM, Geoffrey Young wrote: > I'll be visiting the LA area from march 8th through the 12th. I > realize > it's last minute, but does the group have any plans that week? not > knowing > the nature of the group, I'd be happy to give a light talk or crash a > social > dinner if there's enough interest. if not, maybe next time :) That sounds good. I vote for dinner Thursday the 11th. :-) - ask -- http://www.askbjoernhansen.com/ From ben_tilly at operamail.com Sun Feb 29 20:36:06 2004 From: ben_tilly at operamail.com (Benjamin J. Tilly ) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] visiting LA Message-ID: <20040301023606.D7F8E57C004@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> Geoffrey Young wrote: > hi all > > I'll be visiting the LA area from march 8th through the 12th. I realize > it's last minute, but does the group have any plans that week? not knowing > the nature of the group, I'd be happy to give a light talk or crash a social > dinner if there's enough interest. if not, maybe next time :) I'd be interested. I'd definitely be up for either dinner or hearing a talk on something mod_perl related. I suspect that Rent.com can find space for a talk. And I know at least a couple of people from Perlmonks who would be likely to show up to a talk. Speaking of Perlmonks, virtualsue will be visiting from England and flies out on the 11'th. If the talk was on the 9'th or 10'th she might be able to make it. Cheers, Ben From geoff at modperlcookbook.org Sun Feb 29 21:35:10 2004 From: geoff at modperlcookbook.org (Geoffrey Young) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] visiting LA In-Reply-To: <20040301023606.D7F8E57C004@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20040301023606.D7F8E57C004@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <4042AF6E.409@modperlcookbook.org> Benjamin J. Tilly wrote: > Geoffrey Young wrote: > >>hi all >> >>I'll be visiting the LA area from march 8th through the 12th. I realize >>it's last minute, but does the group have any plans that week? not knowing >>the nature of the group, I'd be happy to give a light talk or crash a social >>dinner if there's enough interest. if not, maybe next time :) > > > I'd be interested. I'd definitely be up for either dinner or hearing > a talk on something mod_perl related. I suspect that Rent.com can > find space for a talk. And I know at least a couple of people from > Perlmonks who would be likely to show up to a talk. a talk then food is fine with me. just food is cool, too. whatever people are comfortable with. I'd probably want to give "Why mod_perl 2.0 sucks, why mod_perl 2.0 rocks" - it's short, somewhat humerous, and not (too) deep code-wise. and I've pulled it from OSCon consideration, so it may be the last time it is seen in public :) > > Speaking of Perlmonks, virtualsue will be visiting from England and > flies out on the 11'th. If the talk was on the 9'th or 10'th she might > be able to make it. any night is fine with me, really - I'm here all week. later in the evening is probably better, though, since I suspect I'll be working until at least 6pm and it always seems to take 2 hours to drive 10 miles out west ;) --Geoff From ask at develooper.com Sun Feb 29 21:51:28 2004 From: ask at develooper.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ask_Bj=F8rn_Hansen?=) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] visiting LA In-Reply-To: <20040301023606.D7F8E57C004@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20040301023606.D7F8E57C004@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: On Feb 29, 2004, at 6:36 PM, Benjamin J. Tilly wrote: > I'd be interested. I'd definitely be up for either dinner or hearing > a talk on something mod_perl related. I suspect that Rent.com can > find space for a talk. At Citysearch there's a whole empty floor right now that I was told we could use too. :-) - ask -- http://www.askbjoernhansen.com/ From rspier at pobox.com Sun Feb 29 22:13:56 2004 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:56 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] visiting LA In-Reply-To: References: <20040301023606.D7F8E57C004@ws5-4.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: (Putting on my unofficial leader hat....) Lets tentatively target Tue, March 9th, so we can get both Geoffrey and Sue there. I'd be interested in hearing "Why mod_perl 2.0 (?:sucks|rules)".... (although there's a catch I'll mail Geoff about privately.) here's the summary: Have you tried working with mod_perl 2.0 yet? Ugh. With all those new classes and directives to learn, not to mention the list of incomplete features, you might as well stay with the trusty, stable mod_perl of old. And subroutine attributes? Eesh. Of course, the new 2.0 API does let you do fun stuff like write output filters. Oh, and there's the Apache::Test framework that's pretty cool. Not to mention a method called assbackwards(). This brief, fun talk will introduce mod_perl 2.0 by poking fun at its shortcomings as well as showcasing its promise. As for location, we'll decide that soon -- after we decide the content.... We've got two possibilities right now, rent.com in Santa Monica and Citysearch in Koreatown. I think the latter is generally easier to get to - but I'm biased. What some other groups have done, is done a talk and then reconvene at a local restaurant... but that may have timing issues. We could also do something like order pizza (from a good place like Vito's http://losangeles.citysearch.com/profile/56961) and have it delivered... but that can be a logistical mess too. Comments please! Things we need to know: Would you, as the la.pm folk who might show up to this event.... - prefer just a dinner with our out of town guests - prefer just a talk - prefer dinner and a talk - prefer Tue March 9... - prefer some other day etc... and a consensus shall form! -R