From rdbenjamin at earthlink.net Sun Nov 3 23:01:38 2002 From: rdbenjamin at earthlink.net (Bob Benjamin) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:51 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] O'Reilly publications In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Didn't I see something a while back about discounts being available for O'Reilly publications? Thanks. Bob Benjamin From jamespitts at yahoo.com Mon Nov 4 16:02:35 2002 From: jamespitts at yahoo.com (James Pitts) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:51 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] "Enterprise" perl for a game engine Message-ID: <20021104220235.7300.qmail@web21408.mail.yahoo.com> I have been working on specs for a project to write a massive multiplayer online role playing game in perl. These systems are usually written in C++ with a scripting component (Python, custom, etc.). An important aspect of an MMOG system is the ability to pool and route messages amongst active, persistent objects. I plan to use CPAN modules and a lot of custom code to put together a game engine, including Thread::Pool and Persistent. I've also been looking at Stem, POE and what was built for Etoys (see Perrin's Oreilly article) for ideas. P5EE is probably the most organized large-scale enterprise perl effort I've found: http://www.officevision.com/pub/p5ee/. I'd like to know if there is anything that I have missed. Also, would it be possible to create a group of intercommunicating threads in mod_perl, all controlled from some sort of thread manager? I assume that it would have to be run with mod_perl 2.0. Most of what I have seen has been accomplished with a .pl daemon. Anyone else want to work on an MMOG engine for public consumption? - James --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20021104/783a504a/attachment.htm From ask at develooper.com Mon Nov 4 17:49:23 2002 From: ask at develooper.com (Ask Bjoern Hansen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:51 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] "Enterprise" perl for a game engine In-Reply-To: <20021104220235.7300.qmail@web21408.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021104154610.U28514-100000@miette.develooper.com> On Mon, 4 Nov 2002, James Pitts wrote: > I have been working on specs for a project to write a massive > multiplayer online role playing game in perl. These systems are > usually written in C++ with a scripting component (Python, custom, > etc.). > > An important aspect of an MMOG system is the ability to pool and > route messages amongst active, persistent objects. I plan to use > CPAN modules and a lot of custom code to put together a game > engine, including Thread::Pool and Persistent. I don't think I would use the perl 5.8 threads for anything large scale just yet. I have been using it for some smaller things, and there are lots of issues. It depends on how you use them of course. [....] > I'd like to know if there is anything that I have missed. Also, > would it be possible to create a group of intercommunicating > threads in mod_perl, all controlled from some sort of thread > manager? I assume that it would have to be run with mod_perl 2.0. It really all depends on what you are trying to do. What interface does the clients have? How often do they update? How much data? What are the latency issues? How much work does the server do? etc etc. :-) - ask -- ask bjoern hansen, http://www.askbjoernhansen.com/ !try; do(); From jamespitts at yahoo.com Mon Nov 4 18:20:32 2002 From: jamespitts at yahoo.com (James Pitts) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:52 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] "Enterprise" perl In-Reply-To: <20021104154610.U28514-100000@miette.develooper.com> Message-ID: <20021105002032.65616.qmail@web21403.mail.yahoo.com> I am leaning toward using XML::RPC for client-server communications. I am also considering using Jabber (I think that it can do two-way streaming in xml). These are a lot "heavier" than a custom protocol, but it will be a lot easier for players to write their own custom clients. The data between the client and server will be minimal - i.e. the game design will not involve a constant flood of activity from any given player (it won't be about who can generate the most actions per sec). Where possible, clients will contact each other directly (such as messaging). All game play can occur from a command line custom client. Over time, I can see the client making more and more use of graphics, but all game logic will run on the server to prevent cheating. - James Ask Bjoern Hansen wrote: It really all depends on what you are trying to do. What interface does the clients have? How often do they update? How much data? What are the latency issues? How much work does the server do? etc etc. :-) - ask -- ask bjoern hansen, http://www.askbjoernhansen.com/ !try; do(); _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20021104/16637c8c/attachment.htm From rspier at pobox.com Mon Nov 4 23:31:19 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:52 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] O'Reilly publications In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15815.22439.837376.270654@rls.cx> Bob Benjamin writes: >Didn't I see something a while back about discounts being available for >O'Reilly publications? There's a 20% user group discount. I think you just have to mention it when ordering. But - if saving money is your goal, Amazon or bookpool usually has better prices, plus, if you're not in a rush, one book usually puts you over the free shippign limit. -R From rspier at pobox.com Mon Nov 18 16:54:20 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:52 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Time for a meeting Message-ID: <15833.28572.426614.687165@rls.cx> Ok, it's time to have some sort of meeting. How about that coffee shop in South Pasadena we've met at before. (Scott, what's the info?) Or we could go to some restaurant and just do something social. I'm curious about Gitana's: http://snipurl.com/csv I've heard good things. Generally we've had meetings on weekends - we could try a Friday night. Shall we try and get a consensus together for this weekend, or the weekend after next? -R (P.S. - Anyone know of a cheap/almost-free unified messsaging/fax2email provider in the LA area?) From ask at develooper.com Mon Nov 18 17:58:31 2002 From: ask at develooper.com (Ask Bjoern Hansen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:52 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Time for a meeting In-Reply-To: <15833.28572.426614.687165@rls.cx> Message-ID: <20021118155540.L60107-100000@miette.develooper.com> On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Robert Spier wrote: A meeting sounds cool. The weekend of the 30th is better than this coming weekend for me. Is Fridays easier for anyone that Saturdays? I imagine more people have to deal with odd commutes in rush hour on a Friday than a Saturday afternoon. > Or we could go to some restaurant and just do something social. > I'm curious about Gitana's: http://snipurl.com/csv > I've heard good things. http://losangeles.citysearch.com/review/11525507/ :-) > (P.S. - > Anyone know of a cheap/almost-free unified messsaging/fax2email > provider in the LA area?) I have used a free efax thing for years. The number is in MA or something like that, but who cares. :-) - ask -- ask bjoern hansen, http://www.askbjoernhansen.com/ !try; do(); From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Tue Nov 19 09:35:03 2002 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:52 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Time for a meeting In-Reply-To: <15833.28572.426614.687165@rls.cx> References: <15833.28572.426614.687165@rls.cx> Message-ID: <20021119153503.GA99500@darkuncle.net> On Mon, Nov 18, 2002 at 02:54:20PM -0800, rspier@pobox.com said: > > Ok, it's time to have some sort of meeting. > > How about that coffee shop in South Pasadena we've met at before. > (Scott, what's the info?) Unfortunately ... I think Hope is going to have to sell Cafe Pop. Business was going great for her, right up until September 2001. Between that aftermath, and the recession, her profits have disappeared and she can't afford to keep the place any longer. =\ > Or we could go to some restaurant and just do something social. > I'm curious about Gitana's: http://snipurl.com/csv > I've heard good things. > > Generally we've had meetings on weekends - we could try a Friday > night. Shall we try and get a consensus together for this weekend, or > the weekend after next? This Friday _should_ work for me (assuming my car's back from the mechanic by then). I live out in Thousand Oaks now, so if we can do it _after_ rush hour, it would be nice. :) As far as location goes, I'm up for anything. > (P.S. - > Anyone know of a cheap/almost-free unified messsaging/fax2email > provider in the LA area?) Not personally, but I believe the question came up on UUASC recently. You might check the archives, or subscribe and ask. -- -= Scott Francis || darkuncle (at) darkuncle (dot) net =- GPG key CB33CCA7 has been revoked; I am now 5537F527 illum oportet crescere me autem minui -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 187 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/losangeles-pm/attachments/20021119/8c39c6b1/attachment.bin From rspier at pobox.com Tue Nov 19 10:02:41 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:52 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Time for a meeting In-Reply-To: <20021119153503.GA99500@darkuncle.net> References: <15833.28572.426614.687165@rls.cx> <20021119153503.GA99500@darkuncle.net> Message-ID: <15834.24737.220442.106179@rls.cx> >Unfortunately ... I think Hope is going to have to sell Cafe >Pop. Business was going great for her, right up until September >2001. Between that aftermath, and the recession, her profits have >disappeared and she can't afford to keep the place any longer. =\ That sucks. >> night. Shall we try and get a consensus together for this weekend, or >> the weekend after next? > >This Friday _should_ work for me (assuming my car's back from the mechanic by >then). I live out in Thousand Oaks now, so if we can do it _after_ rush hour, >it would be nice. :) Oooh, Thousand Oaks. Nice. :) >As far as location goes, I'm up for anything. Any suggestions? >> (P.S. - >> Anyone know of a cheap/almost-free unified messsaging/fax2email >> provider in the LA area?) >Not personally, but I believe the question came up on UUASC > recently. You might check the archives, or subscribe >and ask. Archives? There don't seem to be any. Thanks! -R From e at arix.com Fri Nov 22 15:16:51 2002 From: e at arix.com (Erick Calder) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:52 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Time for a meeting In-Reply-To: <20021118155540.L60107-100000@miette.develooper.com> Message-ID: <003501c2926c$7977e8e0$8100a8c0@arix.com> I missed out on the last time you guys got together but I'd love to attend. just let know when/where. - ekkis -----Original Message----- From: losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org [mailto:losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Ask Bjoern Hansen Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 3:59 PM To: Robert Spier Cc: losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Time for a meeting On Mon, 18 Nov 2002, Robert Spier wrote: A meeting sounds cool. The weekend of the 30th is better than this coming weekend for me. Is Fridays easier for anyone that Saturdays? I imagine more people have to deal with odd commutes in rush hour on a Friday than a Saturday afternoon. > Or we could go to some restaurant and just do something social. > I'm curious about Gitana's: http://snipurl.com/csv > I've heard good things. http://losangeles.citysearch.com/review/11525507/ :-) > (P.S. - > Anyone know of a cheap/almost-free unified messsaging/fax2email > provider in the LA area?) I have used a free efax thing for years. The number is in MA or something like that, but who cares. :-) - ask -- ask bjoern hansen, http://www.askbjoernhansen.com/ !try; do(); _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From rspier at pobox.com Mon Nov 25 23:43:15 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:52 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Time for a meeting In-Reply-To: <20021118155540.L60107-100000@miette.develooper.com> References: <15833.28572.426614.687165@rls.cx> <20021118155540.L60107-100000@miette.develooper.com> Message-ID: <15843.2547.106578.708938@rls.cx> .... silence ... -R From allenday at ucla.edu Tue Nov 26 07:00:21 2002 From: allenday at ucla.edu (Allen Day) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:52 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Time for a meeting In-Reply-To: <15843.2547.106578.708938@rls.cx> Message-ID: I didn't reply b/c I thought I was going to be out of town for the next week, but plans have changed, and I'm up for doing something. -Allen On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Robert Spier wrote: > > .... silence ... > > -R > > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > From pete at peterbenjamin.com Tue Nov 26 00:49:20 2002 From: pete at peterbenjamin.com (Peter Benjamin) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:52 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Time for a meeting In-Reply-To: References: <15843.2547.106578.708938@rls.cx> Message-ID: <4.3.2.7.2.20021125224827.045c1900@peterbenjamin.com> At 05:00 AM 11/26/2002, Allen Day wrote: >I didn't reply b/c I thought I was going to be out of town for the next >week, but plans have changed, and I'm up for doing something. Me too. Pasadena is kind of far, but I am game. Pete From SKamkar at LucidX.com Tue Nov 26 01:26:55 2002 From: SKamkar at LucidX.com (Samy Kamkar) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:52 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Time for a meeting References: <15833.28572.426614.687165@rls.cx> Message-ID: <3DE3223F.3060704@LucidX.com> > Generally we've had meetings on weekends - we could try a Friday > night. Shall we try and get a consensus together for this weekend, or > the weekend after next? Are people good with Thanksgiving weekend or would the weekend after be better? I assume there would be a better count for the weekend after. I probably could come up with a few good places, but they'd be in San Diego :) > -R > > (P.S. - > Anyone know of a cheap/almost-free unified messsaging/fax2email > provider in the LA area?) ureach.com, maybe? Provides cheap, toll-free numbers that accept fax/voicemails which you can download/email...I personally use it for multiple phone number forwarding -Samy From allenday at ucla.edu Tue Nov 26 09:26:13 2002 From: allenday at ucla.edu (Allen Day) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:52 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Time for a meeting In-Reply-To: <3DE3223F.3060704@LucidX.com> Message-ID: > > Generally we've had meetings on weekends - we could try a Friday > > night. Shall we try and get a consensus together for this weekend, or > > the weekend after next? > Are people good with Thanksgiving weekend or would the weekend after be > better? I assume there would be a better count for the weekend after. I'm game this weekend, but it really depends on the time and place. With the holiday, there are lots of people that are going to have other plans over the weekend, I would guess. I can't meet weekend after this, I'm going to be in Palo Alto. -Allen > > > I probably could come up with a few good places, but they'd be in San > Diego :) > > > > -R > > > > (P.S. - > > Anyone know of a cheap/almost-free unified messsaging/fax2email > > provider in the LA area?) > > ureach.com, maybe? > Provides cheap, toll-free numbers that accept fax/voicemails which you > can download/email...I personally use it for multiple phone number > forwarding > > -Samy > > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > From e at arix.com Tue Nov 26 00:42:16 2002 From: e at arix.com (Erick Calder) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:52 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Time for a meeting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000601c29516$f61bee80$8100a8c0@arix.com> me too. I missed out on the last time you guys got together but I should be in town this time. -----Original Message----- From: losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org [mailto:losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Allen Day Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 5:00 AM To: Robert Spier Cc: losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Time for a meeting I didn't reply b/c I thought I was going to be out of town for the next week, but plans have changed, and I'm up for doing something. -Allen On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Robert Spier wrote: > > .... silence ... > > -R > > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > _______________________________________________ Losangeles-pm mailing list Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From phamingson at yahoo.com Tue Nov 26 21:46:23 2002 From: phamingson at yahoo.com (Paul Hamingson) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:52 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Time for a meeting In-Reply-To: <000601c29516$f61bee80$8100a8c0@arix.com> References: <000601c29516$f61bee80$8100a8c0@arix.com> Message-ID: <1038368785.1500.4.camel@penguin> I'm game for this weekend if I can juggle the family stuff. I'm pulling a lot of weekends at work, so this may be better than next. Or I can just continue lurking and making occasional visits. I'm in out in the west end of San Fernando Valley. Paul On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 22:42, Erick Calder wrote: > me too. I missed out on the last time you guys got together but I should be > in town this time. > > -----Original Message----- > From: losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org > [mailto:losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Allen Day > Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 5:00 AM > To: Robert Spier > Cc: losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Time for a meeting > > > I didn't reply b/c I thought I was going to be out of town for the next > week, but plans have changed, and I'm up for doing something. > > -Allen > > > On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Robert Spier wrote: > > > > > .... silence ... > > > > -R > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Losangeles-pm mailing list > > Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > > > > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > > _______________________________________________ > Losangeles-pm mailing list > Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm From rspier at pobox.com Wed Nov 27 23:16:52 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:52 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Time for a meeting In-Reply-To: <1038368785.1500.4.camel@penguin> References: <000601c29516$f61bee80$8100a8c0@arix.com> <1038368785.1500.4.camel@penguin> Message-ID: <15845.42692.813251.167202@rls.cx> We can do something this weekend - we just need to pick where/when/what, which is the hard part, of course. Does anyone have any places they are itching to go? Or should I just randomly pick a place in Burbank? ;) -R Paul Hamingson writes: >I'm game for this weekend if I can juggle the family stuff. I'm pulling >a lot of weekends at work, so this may be better than next. Or I can >just continue lurking and making occasional visits. I'm in out in the >west end of San Fernando Valley. > >Paul > > >On Mon, 2002-11-25 at 22:42, Erick Calder wrote: >> me too. I missed out on the last time you guys got together but I should be >> in town this time. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org >> [mailto:losangeles-pm-admin@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Allen Day >> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2002 5:00 AM >> To: Robert Spier >> Cc: losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org >> Subject: Re: [LA.pm] Time for a meeting >> >> >> I didn't reply b/c I thought I was going to be out of town for the next >> week, but plans have changed, and I'm up for doing something. >> >> -Allen >> >> >> On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Robert Spier wrote: >> >> > >> > .... silence ... >> > >> > -R >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Losangeles-pm mailing list >> > Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Losangeles-pm mailing list >> Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Losangeles-pm mailing list >> Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm > > >_______________________________________________ >Losangeles-pm mailing list >Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm -- From rspier at pobox.com Fri Nov 29 17:33:42 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:52 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Holiday Event Message-ID: <15847.63830.430909.304530@rls.cx> Ok, We must have an event. So, here is my thoughts... * * * * * * The Los Angeles Perl Mongers HOLIDAY FEAST Saturday, December 21, 2002 Eat, Drink, Be Merry Celebrate your choice of "winter" holidays Talk Perl Starting somewhere around 6 or 7pm at a Restaurant to be decided soon * * * * * * How many people will we lose because of the date? Another option is to do something similar this upcoming weekend, the 7th or 8th, but I know some of our members are away that weekend. (And it gives us less time to procrastinate the choice of restaurant.) -R From rspier at pobox.com Fri Nov 29 17:58:52 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:52 2004 Subject: [LA.pm] Holiday Event In-Reply-To: <15847.63830.430909.304530@rls.cx> References: <15847.63830.430909.304530@rls.cx> Message-ID: <15847.65340.812460.689671@rls.cx> I've been reminded that I already have something scheduled then - so how about a lunch? ;) 1pm! -R Robert Spier writes: > >Ok, > > We must have an event. > > So, here is my thoughts... > > > * * * * * * > > The > Los Angeles > Perl Mongers > > HOLIDAY FEAST > > Saturday, December 21, 2002 > > Eat, Drink, Be Merry > Celebrate your choice of "winter" holidays > Talk Perl > > Starting somewhere around 6 or 7pm > at a Restaurant to be decided soon > > * * * * * * > > > How many people will we lose because of the date? > > Another option is to do something similar this upcoming weekend, > the 7th or 8th, but I know some of our members are away that > weekend. (And it gives us less time to procrastinate the choice > of restaurant.) > >-R > > > >_______________________________________________ >Losangeles-pm mailing list >Losangeles-pm@mail.pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/losangeles-pm --