From gstark at electrorent.com Tue Apr 2 09:44:37 2002 From: gstark at electrorent.com (Greg Stark) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:14 2004 Subject: LA.pm: April Meeting? References: <3C9C10D9.1000207@LucidX.com> Message-ID: <000d01c1da5d$4b5c04e0$8506800a@cp1.electrorent.com> Sammy, Plans for an April meeting? Thank you. Gregory Stark From SKamkar at LucidX.com Tue Apr 2 10:51:56 2002 From: SKamkar at LucidX.com (Samy Kamkar) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:14 2004 Subject: LA.pm: April Meeting? References: <3C9C10D9.1000207@LucidX.com> <000d01c1da5d$4b5c04e0$8506800a@cp1.electrorent.com> Message-ID: <3CA9E1AC.8070109@LucidX.com> I'm still trying to find a place to have the meeting hosted, somewhere where we can use a projector. Also, it would have to be one of the later Saturdays of April (20th or 27th). Is anyone else able to host a meeting in late April? Also, if anyone's able to host one in May, please let me know! Thanks, Samy Greg Stark wrote: > Sammy, > Plans for an April meeting? > > Thank you. > > Gregory Stark > > > -- Samy Kamkar Pezeshkian -- cp5@LucidX.com LucidX.com / code.LucidX.com / LA.pm.org From rspier at pobox.com Thu Apr 4 00:55:10 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:14 2004 Subject: LA.pm: April Meeting? References: <3C9C10D9.1000207@LucidX.com> <000d01c1da5d$4b5c04e0$8506800a@cp1.electrorent.com> <3CA9E1AC.8070109@LucidX.com> Message-ID: <3CABF8CE.9090909@pobox.com> > Is anyone else able to host a meeting in late April? Also, if anyone's > able to host one in May, please let me know! I will probably have (lots of) content for May. -R From gstark at electrorent.com Thu Apr 4 09:43:19 2002 From: gstark at electrorent.com (Greg Stark) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:14 2004 Subject: LA.pm: April Meeting? References: <3C9C10D9.1000207@LucidX.com> <000d01c1da5d$4b5c04e0$8506800a@cp1.electrorent.com> <3CA9E1AC.8070109@LucidX.com> <3CABF8CE.9090909@pobox.com> Message-ID: <008201c1dbef$720a9f50$8506800a@cp1.electrorent.com> How about the Library Public Meeting Room in Sunland-Tujunga? Holds 30 with tables, more without. Big projection screen. It's very nice, has a kitchenette. Reasonable access from the 210 freeway. And best of all it's very near to where I live... :) Thank you. Gregory Stark From rspier at pobox.com Thu Apr 4 15:39:08 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:14 2004 Subject: LA.pm: April Meeting? References: <3C9C10D9.1000207@LucidX.com> <000d01c1da5d$4b5c04e0$8506800a@cp1.electrorent.com> <3CA9E1AC.8070109@LucidX.com> <3CABF8CE.9090909@pobox.com> <008201c1dbef$720a9f50$8506800a@cp1.electrorent.com> Message-ID: <3CACC7FC.8080802@pobox.com> Greg Stark wrote: > How about the Library Public Meeting Room in Sunland-Tujunga? Holds 30 with > tables, more without. Big projection screen. It's very nice, has a > kitchenette. Reasonable access from the 210 freeway. And best of all it's > very near to where I live... :) Except for the fact that it's out of the way for a lot of people (and the 210 is a pain to get to) it sounds like a great idea. Greg, can you poke around and find out about availablility, costs, and the process for reserving the room? Also, what the computer hookups are like? It would be much appreciated. Thanks- -R From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Thu Apr 4 16:46:46 2002 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:14 2004 Subject: LA.pm: April Meeting? In-Reply-To: <3CACC7FC.8080802@pobox.com> References: <3C9C10D9.1000207@LucidX.com> <000d01c1da5d$4b5c04e0$8506800a@cp1.electrorent.com> <3CA9E1AC.8070109@LucidX.com> <3CABF8CE.9090909@pobox.com> <008201c1dbef$720a9f50$8506800a@cp1.electrorent.com> <3CACC7FC.8080802@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20020404224646.GL60479@darkuncle.net> On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 01:39:08PM -0800, rspier@pobox.com said: > Greg Stark wrote: > >How about the Library Public Meeting Room in Sunland-Tujunga? Holds 30 with > >tables, more without. Big projection screen. It's very nice, has a > >kitchenette. Reasonable access from the 210 freeway. And best of all it's > >very near to where I live... :) > > Except for the fact that it's out of the way for a lot of people (and > the 210 is a pain to get to) it sounds like a great idea. > > Greg, can you poke around and find out about availablility, costs, and > the process for reserving the room? Also, what the computer hookups are > like? It would be much appreciated. On the other end of things ... we could host a meeting or three at my office over in Culver City. It's about a half mile south of the 10 and about 3 miles east of the 405. We have a conference room, network hookups (probably ... I could bring over my wireless AP, or if somebody else could bring over a switch/hub with 8+ ports I could hook that into the network. I don't think I have any spare switches or hubs at the office at the moment, but I can look around). Also fully stocked fridge, microwave, etc. :) -- Scott Francis darkuncle@ [home:] d a r k u n c l e . n e t Systems/Network Manager sfrancis@ [work:] t o n o s . c o m GPG public key 0xCB33CCA7 illum oportet crescere me autem minui -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I How many people does your conference room hold, and does it have any video display capability? -R From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Fri Apr 5 00:48:09 2002 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:14 2004 Subject: LA.pm: April Meeting? In-Reply-To: <3CACD92B.9070206@pobox.com> References: <3C9C10D9.1000207@LucidX.com> <000d01c1da5d$4b5c04e0$8506800a@cp1.electrorent.com> <3CA9E1AC.8070109@LucidX.com> <3CABF8CE.9090909@pobox.com> <008201c1dbef$720a9f50$8506800a@cp1.electrorent.com> <3CACC7FC.8080802@pobox.com> <20020404224646.GL60479@darkuncle.net> <3CACD92B.9070206@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20020405064809.GT60479@darkuncle.net> On Thu, Apr 04, 2002 at 02:52:27PM -0800, rspier@pobox.com said: > >On the other end of things ... we could host a meeting or three at my > >office > >over in Culver City. It's about a half mile south of the 10 and about 3 > >miles > >east of the 405. We have a conference room, network hookups (probably ... I > > How many people does your conference room hold, and does it have any > video display capability? we fit the whole company in there occasionally (35+), and there's a whiteboard that we use to project video onto sometimes. *shrug* I _might_ even be able to field a projector ... -- Scott Francis darkuncle@ [home:] d a r k u n c l e . n e t Systems/Network Manager sfrancis@ [work:] t o n o s . c o m GPG public key 0xCB33CCA7 illum oportet crescere me autem minui -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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After looking into things, the situation seems to be this: Airfare is approximately $700-750, depending on various factors such as weekend travel, originating city, taxes, etc. Hotels are already getting tight. The last day of the conference is the 20th, and that night could easily be a problem, with Oktoberfest lurking. Thus the need to get going on this. If we want to do any kind of group travelling, it behooves us to move on this. I'm not sure how much group rates and such will help, but certainly, the more people we have, the greater the possible clout we'll have in working out anything special. At this point, of course, further investigation is somewhat pointless unless we have interest. All that aside, it might well be more enjoyable to travel as a group. If you have interest in participating, mail me at . If you have any further information (unobvious dates, further travel you may wish to do, etc.), please include that. Best, dha -- David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ Okay, that's it. 30 days no computer use penalty for being stupid - Greg at http://www.userfriendly.org **Majordomo list services provided by PANIX ** **To Unsubscribe, send "unsubscribe ny" to majordomo@lists.pm.org** From SKamkar at LucidX.com Fri Apr 19 19:26:38 2002 From: SKamkar at LucidX.com (Samy Kamkar) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:14 2004 Subject: LA.pm: Call for speaker Message-ID: <3CC0B5BE.50709@LucidX.com> Would anyone be interested in speaking on any perlish topics for the next meeting? If so, let me know :) From rspier at pobox.com Fri Apr 19 21:47:46 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:14 2004 Subject: LA.pm: Call for speaker In-Reply-To: <3CC0B5BE.50709@LucidX.com> References: <3CC0B5BE.50709@LucidX.com> Message-ID: <15552.54994.803151.928166@rls.cx> Samy Kamkar writes: >Would anyone be interested in speaking on any perlish topics for the >next meeting? >If so, let me know :) I've got a three hour tutorial (which I can condense) but it won't be ready till late may/early june. (I'd like to reserve a slot for that, so you guys can be my guniea pigs.) I could also do a quicky on RequestTracker (http://www.bestpractical.org/rt) in time for whenever the next meeting is. -R From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Sat Apr 20 06:13:08 2002 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:14 2004 Subject: LA.pm: Call for speaker In-Reply-To: <15552.54994.803151.928166@rls.cx> References: <3CC0B5BE.50709@LucidX.com> <15552.54994.803151.928166@rls.cx> Message-ID: <20020420111308.GD1045@darkuncle.net> On Fri, Apr 19, 2002 at 07:47:46PM -0700, rspier@pobox.com said: > Samy Kamkar writes: > >Would anyone be interested in speaking on any perlish topics for the > >next meeting? > >If so, let me know :) > > I've got a three hour tutorial (which I can condense) but it won't be > ready till late may/early june. (I'd like to reserve a slot for that, > so you guys can be my guniea pigs.) oink oink > I could also do a quicky on RequestTracker > (http://www.bestpractical.org/rt) in time for whenever the next > meeting is. I personally would _love_ to hear about rt, since I'm supposed to be setting it up for a client of mine at the moment. :) > -R -- Scott Francis darkuncle@ [home:] d a r k u n c l e . n e t Systems/Network Manager sfrancis@ [work:] t o n o s . c o m GPG public key 0xCB33CCA7 illum oportet crescere me autem minui -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(I'd like to reserve a slot for that, >> so you guys can be my guniea pigs.) > >oink oink I'll take that as interest. :) >> I could also do a quicky on RequestTracker >> (http://www.bestpractical.org/rt) in time for whenever the next >> meeting is. > >I personally would _love_ to hear about rt, since I'm supposed to be setting >it up for a client of mine at the moment. :) Well then, lets try and figure out a place and a date :) -R From rspier at pobox.com Mon Apr 22 21:49:53 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:15 2004 Subject: LA.pm: May and June Scheduling Message-ID: <15556.52177.533108.688216@rls.cx> Ok, I propose the following schedule: First June.... Saturday June 1- 1:30pm-5pm (3hours with some breaks) Optimize Your Perl ------------------ Location: TBA [1] This tutorial is an introduction to optimizating perl applications. It's important knowledge for anyone writing time-sensitive applications, from a CGI script to a large application. It covers the following four major components: 1. A brief introduction to complexity theory Just enough complexity theory to have a basic language to talk about runtimes of functions. O(1), O(n), O(n^2), etc. Complexity of common perl idioms like map, sort, nested loops, etc. Why is some code slow? (And it's not perl's fault!) 2. Real world / real code examples and how to make them faster Examples of O(n^2) or worse functions and how they can be improved by an order of magnitude by rewriting the algorithm, and possibly changing the data structures used to store things. Memoization/Caching/Persistency/Precomputing. 3. Some simple Benchmarking Devel::DProf and Benchmark.pm can help to isolate problem spots in your code. Learn how to properly interpret data and how to pick the "important" pieces. 4. Is it worth it? Not all time spent optimizing the code is worth it. There are tradeoffs of time, readability, speed. Discuss development strategies, pre-optimization, and over-optimization. O(n) can be faster than O(1) for small n. followed by dinner somewhere nearby. I'll be also giving this tutorial at TPC (Part of OSCON 2002) in San Diego in July. http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2002. If you see it there, you'd pay about $320. But, you can come to my practice session for less than that. I will ask for a (voluntary) donation of $5 [2] at each class to cover expenses. [3] Any funds remaining after expenses will be donated to YAS [4] or The German Shephard Rescue [5]. Then May.... I'm pretty busy in May, but I do have another TPC Talk to practice. Scott has already expressed interest in it. I'm busy every Saturday except the 11th or 18th. It'll be a short talk, 25-35 minutes long on... Request Tracker --------------- A Versatile Ticket Tracking system.... (No outline yet..) http://www.bestpractical.com/ RT is written in Perl, runs under Mason, uses DBIx::SearchBuilder. Works with mod_perl and fastcgi, is very OO, uses lots of mail modules, etc.. Definitely a cool and interesting tool. I'll be talking about how to set it up, use it, configure it, integrate it with other tools, etc... Please express a date preference. :) To Finalize... Well, There really isn't anything else to say. These are two neat talks, and I look forward to practicing them on you. :) Any Questions? -R Footnotes: [1] Right now there are two possible locations: Scott's office in Culver City, and the library in the North Valley. If anyone else has a location suitable for a presentation (with a projector for a computer) and enough room, we could consider that too. [2] Or more. :) [3] Employes of the Walt Disney Company are exempted from this request. [4] http://www.yetanother.org [5] http://www.gsrecue.org -- From SKamkar at LucidX.com Tue Apr 23 00:18:39 2002 From: SKamkar at LucidX.com (Samy Kamkar) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:15 2004 Subject: LA.pm: May and June Scheduling References: <15556.52177.533108.688216@rls.cx> Message-ID: <3CC4EEAF.3070506@LucidX.com> Sounds good! May 11th and 18th are both ok for me, and the rest of you? /me will be visiting my hometown (and a surprising amount of others on this list:) Pittsburgh on the 25th.. Scott, let us know if either of those dates (11th or 18th of May) are possible for you Robert Spier wrote: > Ok, I propose the following schedule: > > First June.... > > Saturday June 1- > 1:30pm-5pm (3hours with some breaks) > > Optimize Your Perl > ------------------ > Location: TBA [1] > > This tutorial is an introduction to optimizating perl > applications. It's important knowledge for anyone writing > time-sensitive applications, from a CGI script to a large > application. > > It covers the following four major components: > > 1. A brief introduction to complexity theory > > Just enough complexity theory to have a basic language to talk > about runtimes of functions. O(1), O(n), O(n^2), etc. Complexity > of common perl idioms like map, sort, nested loops, etc. Why is > some code slow? (And it's not perl's fault!) > > 2. Real world / real code examples and how to make them faster > > Examples of O(n^2) or worse functions and how they can be > improved by an order of magnitude by rewriting the algorithm, > and possibly changing the data structures used to store > things. Memoization/Caching/Persistency/Precomputing. > > 3. Some simple Benchmarking > > Devel::DProf and Benchmark.pm can help to isolate problem spots > in your code. Learn how to properly interpret data and how to > pick the "important" pieces. > > 4. Is it worth it? > > Not all time spent optimizing the code is worth it. There are > tradeoffs of time, readability, speed. Discuss development > strategies, pre-optimization, and over-optimization. O(n) can be > faster than O(1) for small n. > > followed by dinner somewhere nearby. > > I'll be also giving this tutorial at TPC (Part of OSCON 2002) in > San Diego in July. http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2002. If > you see it there, you'd pay about $320. But, you can come to my > practice session for less than that. I will ask for a (voluntary) > donation of $5 [2] at each class to cover expenses. [3] Any funds > remaining after expenses will be donated to YAS [4] or The German > Shephard Rescue [5]. > > Then May.... > > I'm pretty busy in May, but I do have another TPC Talk to > practice. Scott has already expressed interest in it. I'm busy > every Saturday except the 11th or 18th. It'll be a short talk, > 25-35 minutes long on... > > Request Tracker > --------------- > A Versatile Ticket Tracking system.... > > (No outline yet..) > > http://www.bestpractical.com/ > > RT is written in Perl, runs under Mason, uses > DBIx::SearchBuilder. Works with mod_perl and fastcgi, is very > OO, uses lots of mail modules, etc.. Definitely a cool and > interesting tool. > > I'll be talking about how to set it up, use it, configure it, > integrate it with other tools, etc... > > Please express a date preference. :) > > > To Finalize... > > Well, There really isn't anything else to say. These are two neat > talks, and I look forward to practicing them on you. :) > > Any Questions? > > -R > > Footnotes: > [1] Right now there are two possible locations: Scott's office in > Culver City, and the library in the North Valley. If anyone else > has a location suitable for a presentation (with a projector for > a computer) and enough room, we could consider that too. > > [2] Or more. :) > > [3] Employes of the Walt Disney Company are exempted from this request. > > [4] http://www.yetanother.org > > [5] http://www.gsrecue.org > > -- Samy Kamkar Pezeshkian -- cp5@LucidX.com LucidX.com / code.LucidX.com / LA.pm.org From rspier at pobox.com Tue Apr 23 00:32:52 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:15 2004 Subject: LA.pm: May and June Scheduling In-Reply-To: <3CC4EEAF.3070506@LucidX.com> References: <15556.52177.533108.688216@rls.cx> <3CC4EEAF.3070506@LucidX.com> Message-ID: <15556.61956.418608.462066@rls.cx> >/me will be visiting my hometown (and a surprising amount of others on >this list:) Pittsburgh on the 25th.. I think I've got the better deal, I'll be in New Orleans that weekend. ;) -R From SKamkar at LucidX.com Tue Apr 23 03:03:23 2002 From: SKamkar at LucidX.com (Samy Kamkar) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:15 2004 Subject: LA.pm: YAPC Message-ID: <3CC5154B.8020505@LucidX.com> So who is going to YAPC this year? (www.yapc.org) We should have a meetup in St. Louis on one of the days so let me know if you'll be there :) -- Samy Kamkar Pezeshkian -- cp5@LucidX.com LucidX.com / code.LucidX.com / LA.pm.org From darkuncle at darkuncle.net Tue Apr 23 14:45:12 2002 From: darkuncle at darkuncle.net (Scott Francis) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:15 2004 Subject: LA.pm: May and June Scheduling In-Reply-To: <3CC4EEAF.3070506@LucidX.com> References: <15556.52177.533108.688216@rls.cx> <3CC4EEAF.3070506@LucidX.com> Message-ID: <20020423194511.GM22162@darkuncle.net> On Mon, Apr 22, 2002 at 10:18:39PM -0700, SKamkar@LucidX.com said: > Sounds good! > > May 11th and 18th are both ok for me, and the rest of you? > /me will be visiting my hometown (and a surprising amount of others on > this list:) Pittsburgh on the 25th.. > Scott, let us know if either of those dates (11th or 18th of May) are > possible for you 18th works for me, as I'll be either out of town or busy on the weekend of the 11th (my birthday is the 10th, and I'm helping my fiancee move stuff that week, etc.) -- Scott Francis darkuncle@ [home:] d a r k u n c l e . n e t Systems/Network Manager sfrancis@ [work:] t o n o s . c o m GPG public key 0xCB33CCA7 illum oportet crescere me autem minui -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Some of the great authors and coders in the field will be on hand to discuss their work, as well as the nature and direction of Perl itself. All three Perl Development Grant recipients will be present: Larry Wall, Damian Conway, and Dan Sugalski as well as Nathan Torkington, Mark-Jason Dominus, and Abigail. Come and meet the people who develop and develop with Perl. Please join us for three days of listening and talking about Perl in Saint Louis. * Conference registration is NOW OPEN at: http://na-register.yapc.org/ Conference registration cost: USD$85 * Dorm rooms are available!!! They are $USD25 per person for a double room and $50 for a single. Rooms are air conditioned and will have net access. The dorm rooms are not on the Washington University campus but shuttles will be running. Online dorm registration is not yet available, but you can email sarah+yapcdorms@pound.perl.org with the dates you are interested in, your roommate, or if you would like for us to pair you with a roommate. An email will go out later to inform you of online dorm registration and billing. * We are looking for sponsors. Please contact Kevin Lenzo (lenzo@yapc.org) for information about how you can help support the Yet Another society and YAPC. Much of the necessary funding for YAPC comes from the generous donations of our sponsors. * Submitted papers: Submission Deadline: May 1, 2002 All topics are welcome. Here is a short list of subjects that might be presented: Perl 6, Parrot, XML, CGI/Web, Interprocess Communication, GUIs (GTk, Tk), Natural Language Processing, Interactive Perl, Agents, Perl as Glue, Object-Oriented Perl, Scientific Applications, Guts, Internals, JAPHs, Perl Poetry, System Administration, DBI/DBD, Non-UNIX Perl, Security, Peer-to-Peer Communication, Your Favourite Topic. Please submit your abstracts to . See Lightning Talk submission instructions below. For all other talks, authors are requested to limit their abstracts to 300 words. This year we will accept a number of types of talks: * Lightning: 5 minutes The lightning talks were instigated by Mark-Jason Dominus two years ago in Pittsburgh, and were replicated with great success at the European YAPC in London. Participants speak for no more than five minutes, with the use of conventional transparencies. Any use of data projector, etc, is discouraged, but allowed as long as the five minute time limit is maintained (set-up will be done as the clock ticks). The talk ends at the five-minute mark, regardless of whether or not the speaker has finished. Any topic is allowed, and some have been fantastically humourous. Lightning talks are an excellent forum for first-time speakers. Please send your talk title, and an abstract of one to four sentences, to: mjd-yapc-lt-2002+@plover.com The deadline for submissions is the end of Wednesday, June 5, 2002. Submitters will be notified of acceptance by Sunday, June 15. Visit http://perl.plover.com/lt/yapc2002.html for more details. * Standard: 20 minutes A 'standard' talk is the preferred format. This is enough time to start a topic, introduce it with some pithy slides, and open up to later conversation. * Long and Extra-Long: 45 minutes, 90 minutes Long talks are reserved for experienced speakers covering large topics. If you have an in-depth topic you would like to present in some detail, perhaps with considerable discussion, a Long or Extra-Long talk may be the format of choice. * Tutorial: 3 hours + break (possibly in two sets) Half-day (or possibly full-day) tutorials. Please submit your abstracts to ! -- Yet Another Society is a non-profit organization for the advancement of collaborative efforts in computer and information sciences. YAS promotes symposia, teaching, and group projects. See http://yetanother.org for more information. -- Samy Kamkar Pezeshkian -- cp5@LucidX.com LucidX.com / code.LucidX.com / LA.pm.org From rspier at pobox.com Sun Apr 28 03:28:16 2002 From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:02:15 2004 Subject: LA.pm: Note to self... (and anybody else who cares.) Message-ID: <15563.45728.640213.395832@rls.cx> Invite OC.pm to all LA.pm events and CC them on important announcements. ocperl@yahoogroups.com -R