From rbowen at rcbowen.com Wed Sep 1 14:15:54 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:25 2004 Subject: LPM: September meeting Message-ID: <37CD7B6A.9A410D7E@rcbowen.com> Mongers, The September Perl Mongers meeting is almost upon us. Please, someone, volunteer to talk about something. Or, if not, at least we can come prepared to just be geeks dining together. Either way, we need to decide soon, so that we can get something informative onto the web site. Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From rbowen at rcbowen.com Wed Sep 8 13:39:24 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:25 2004 Subject: LPM: This month's meeting Message-ID: <37D6AD5C.C79CEE5F@rcbowen.com> Looks like nobody is going to volunteer. So, this month, we'll be playing Many Monkeys. Bring your Perl dilemmas, and we'll try to fix them, or subjects that you are interested in, and we'll have ad hoc talks on them. And, I might be convinced to tell you about how great the Open Source Convention was. On a related note, I'm reading a really good book - Object Oriented Perl, by Damian Conway. Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From janine.ladick at fetterprinting.com Wed Sep 8 13:45:31 1999 From: janine.ladick at fetterprinting.com (Janine Ladick) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:25 2004 Subject: LPM: This month's meeting In-Reply-To: <37D6AD5C.C79CEE5F@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <199909081844.OAA13379@sidewinder.fetterprinting.com> Um...what day and time is the next meeting? Are we assembling at KET again? Janine Date sent: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 14:39:24 -0400 From: Rich Bowen Organization: RCBowen.com To: perl mongers Subject: LPM: This month's meeting Send reply to: lexington-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Looks like nobody is going to volunteer. So, this month, we'll be > playing Many Monkeys. Bring your Perl dilemmas, and we'll try to fix > them, or subjects that you are interested in, and we'll have ad hoc > talks on them. > > And, I might be convinced to tell you about how great the Open Source > Convention was. > > On a related note, I'm reading a really good book - Object Oriented > Perl, by Damian Conway. > > Rich > -- > It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun > We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one > --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From rbowen at rcbowen.com Wed Sep 8 13:49:25 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:25 2004 Subject: LPM: New CPAN site (Shhh, don't tell) Message-ID: <37D6AFB4.98717405@rcbowen.com> Don't tell everyone yet, but I've put up a CPAN site at http://cpan.databeam.com/ It's not an "official CPAN site", but you are welcome to use it. I would be interetested to know if the connectivity to it is any better/worse than to whatever site you are currently using. I'm mirroring once a day from spu.edu, so it can sometimes take as long as 2 days to get something on there once it's been put on PAUSE. Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From rbowen at rcbowen.com Wed Sep 8 14:21:34 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:25 2004 Subject: LPM: This month's meeting References: <199909081844.OAA13379@sidewinder.fetterprinting.com> Message-ID: <37D6B73E.4CE7C238@rcbowen.com> Janine Ladick wrote: > > Um...what day and time is the next meeting? Are we assembling at > KET again? KET. Should be the 13th at 6pm I'll try to get something on the web site ASAP. Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From hempy at ket.org Wed Sep 8 15:08:00 1999 From: hempy at ket.org (David Hempy) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:25 2004 Subject: LPM: This month's meeting In-Reply-To: <199909081844.OAA13379@sidewinder.fetterprinting.com> References: <37D6AD5C.C79CEE5F@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <4.1.19990908160633.03d05500@mail.ket.org> At 02:45 PM 9/8/1999 -0400, you wrote: >Um...what day and time is the next meeting? Are we assembling at >KET again? > >Janine Yes, we have the same room reserved for Monday, Sept 13 and Monday, Oct 11 from 6:00 PM - 8:30 PM. -dave -- David Hempy Internet Database Administrator Kentucky Educational Television From mawall0 at pop.uky.edu Wed Sep 8 17:16:45 1999 From: mawall0 at pop.uky.edu (Michael Wallace) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:25 2004 Subject: LPM: This month's meeting In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990908160633.03d05500@mail.ket.org> References: <199909081844.OAA13379@sidewinder.fetterprinting.com> <37D6AD5C.C79CEE5F@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.19990908171645.2e0f8566@pop.uky.edu> >Yes, we have the same room reserved for Monday, Sept 13 and Monday, Oct 11 >from 6:00 PM - 8:30 PM. Now that I am living in Lexington again, I can finally attend my first meeting. With that said, which room is the "same room"? Mike From hempy at ket.org Wed Sep 8 17:30:23 1999 From: hempy at ket.org (David Hempy) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:25 2004 Subject: LPM: This month's meeting In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.16.19990908171645.2e0f8566@pop.uky.edu> References: <4.1.19990908160633.03d05500@mail.ket.org> <199909081844.OAA13379@sidewinder.fetterprinting.com> <37D6AD5C.C79CEE5F@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <4.1.19990908182505.03b0c9b0@mail.ket.org> At 05:16 PM 9/8/1999 +0000, you wrote: >>Yes, we have the same room reserved for Monday, Sept 13 and Monday, Oct 11 >>from 6:00 PM - 8:30 PM. > >Now that I am living in Lexington again, I can finally attend my first >meeting. With that said, which room is the "same room"? > >Mike KET is located in the shadow of UK's football stadium, next to LCC. From Nicholasville Road/South Limestone, turn east onto Cooper Drive. (Turning west puts you onto Waller Avenue...not good.) Go through two lights and admire the big KET building on the right at 600 Cooper Drive, the last thing before the tree-laden subdivision. (Don't be fooled by the *little* KET building...you want the *big* KET building.) Park anywhere and enter near the curved glass. Sign in and the security guard will point you in the right direction. If you arrive late and the guard has gone on his rounds, walk back toward Cooper and go to the corner of the building closest to the tennis courts and tap on the glass doors. We'll take a head count and order pizza or similar at 6:15. Soda pop is available on the premises. -dave -- David Hempy Internet Database Administrator Kentucky Educational Television From rbowen at rcbowen.com Thu Sep 9 14:44:19 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:25 2004 Subject: LPM: @ISA problems Message-ID: <37D80E13.E8B93BF8@rcbowen.com> I'm writing a module, and in it I have: @ISA = qw(Foo::Bar); Where Foo::Bar is another module I've written. I get the message that Foo::Bar could not be located, and my programs bomb. However, if I add: use Foo::Bar; above the ISA line, things work OK. Now, my understanding was that ISA works on basically the same principles as use - it searches @INC for the module. What am I missing? Why is that use line necessary? Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From rbowen at rcbowen.com Fri Sep 10 10:34:17 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:25 2004 Subject: LPM: cpan.databeam.com Message-ID: <37D924F9.D3F6A07@rcbowen.com> DNS matters resolved. Site is reachable from a browser near you. Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From rbowen at rcbowen.com Mon Sep 13 10:02:43 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:25 2004 Subject: LPM: Reminder - Tonight Message-ID: <37DD1213.192740E4@rcbowen.com> Just a reminder that we will be meeting tonight at KET. Directions are available on the web site at http://lexington.pm.org/ Rich -- It seems to me as we make our own few circles 'round the sun We get it backwards and our seven years go by like one --Rush, 'Dog Years' (Test for Echo, 1996) From rbowen at rcbowen.com Tue Sep 14 08:54:14 1999 From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:25 2004 Subject: LPM: October meeting Message-ID: <37DE5386.A7A8E888@rcbowen.com> Well, we had a good meeting last night, but there were only 6 of us there. Perhaps we'll have a better turnout in October, with our featured speaker. As soon as we can get that person to volunteer. So, let's do this thing again where we suggest topics that we'd like to hear about. Let's try to divide them into beginner and advanced categories. What we're looking for is 30-45 minutes on some topic, or, if it is a really large topic, one person could go the whole 1.5 hours, if you liked. Here's my suggestions: Beginner: Perl variables Functions CPAN CGI.pm and related topics Advanced: Writing/Using modules OOP Sockets programming Your own pet project or topic Rich -- Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com Lexington Perl Mongers - http://lexington.pm.org/ From mawall0 at pop.uky.edu Tue Sep 14 13:41:27 1999 From: mawall0 at pop.uky.edu (Michael Wallace) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:25 2004 Subject: LPM: October meeting In-Reply-To: <37DE5386.A7A8E888@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.19990914134127.29c703f0@pop.uky.edu> As for topics, I would at some point like to learn how to use the Tk module. Of course, I could always buy the O'Reilly 'Emu' book, but I'm too lazy. ;-) Mike From Matthew.Cashner at asbury.edu Tue Sep 14 09:03:35 1999 From: Matthew.Cashner at asbury.edu (Cashner, Matthew ) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:25 2004 Subject: LPM: RE: October meeting Message-ID: i cant speak for any of the rest of the beginners but i personally would like to see a bit more explanation on your (rich's) Text::Template way of getting around CGI.pm. The rest of the suggestions look great. matt. :) > Here's my suggestions: > > Beginner: > Perl variables > Functions > CPAN > CGI.pm and related topics > > Advanced: > Writing/Using modules > OOP > Sockets programming > Your own pet project or topic From oneiros at dcr.net Tue Sep 14 18:37:28 1999 From: oneiros at dcr.net (Joe Hourcle) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:06:25 2004 Subject: LPM: October meeting In-Reply-To: <37DE5386.A7A8E888@rcbowen.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Rich Bowen wrote: > Well, we had a good meeting last night, but there were only 6 of us > there. Perhaps we'll have a better turnout in October, with our featured > speaker. Well, as one of those who missed the meeting, is there any chance for the notes on the topic to be put up on the webpage? Also, as a side note, I was looking over some of the previous notes, and noticed that there's a few occurances where reading from filehandles wasn't encoded in the June notes eg. would have to be <FILE> so it'd show on the webpage. There's also a few occurances of => in the July notes, which should also be encoded, although some browsers may display it correctly. (blah...I just wish the directive in HTML would actually do something useful, more than just being the same as was. Hell, even 
 is more useful, as it doesn't compact whitespace.)

-----
Joe Hourcle
Digital Crescent, Inc.


From rbowen at rcbowen.com  Tue Sep 14 19:31:22 1999
From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: RE: October meeting
References: 
Message-ID: <37DEE8DA.17A08D46@rcbowen.com>

"Cashner, Matthew" wrote:
> 
> i cant speak for any of the rest of the beginners but i personally would
> like to see a bit more explanation on your (rich's) Text::Template way of
> getting around CGI.pm. The rest of the suggestions look great.

That might be fun.
Tim Powell and I are currently working on some expansions of that idea,
and I've been poking around the (NUMEROUS) other template modules
available up on CPAN to see if there's a better way of doing it.

Rich
-- 
Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
Lexington Perl Mongers - http://lexington.pm.org/

From rbowen at rcbowen.com  Tue Sep 14 19:32:45 1999
From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: October meeting
References: 
Message-ID: <37DEE92D.1038068F@rcbowen.com>

Joe Hourcle wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Rich Bowen wrote:
> 
> > Well, we had a good meeting last night, but there were only 6 of us
> > there. Perhaps we'll have a better turnout in October, with our featured
> > speaker.
> 
> Well, as one of those who missed the meeting, is there any chance for the
> notes on the topic to be put up on the webpage?

There wasn't a topic.
However, I am planning to write up some of the stuff about DBI that I
talked about last month. I've been insanely busy in the last two weeks,
and was in CA the 2 weeks before that, so not much has gotten done since
last meeting.
 
> Also, as a side note, I was looking over some of the previous notes, and
> noticed that there's a few occurances where reading from filehandles
> wasn't encoded in the June notes
> 
> eg.
>         
> would have to be
>         <FILE>

Oh. OK. I'll try to get that fixed.

> There's also a few occurances of
>         =>
> in the July notes, which should also be encoded, although some browsers
> may display it correctly.

OK, thanks.

Rich
-- 
Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
Lexington Perl Mongers - http://lexington.pm.org/

From hempy at ket.org  Wed Sep 15 13:20:39 1999
From: hempy at ket.org (David Hempy)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: October meeting
In-Reply-To: 
References: <37DE5386.A7A8E888@rcbowen.com>
Message-ID: <4.1.19990915141947.03340b50@mail.ket.org>

At 07:37 PM 9/14/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>(blah...I just wish the  directive in HTML would actually do
>something useful, more than just being the same as  was.  Hell, even
>
 is more useful, as it doesn't compact whitespace.)



From hempy at ket.org  Wed Sep 15 14:40:59 1999
From: hempy at ket.org (David Hempy)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: October meeting
In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990915141947.03340b50@mail.ket.org>
References: 
 <37DE5386.A7A8E888@rcbowen.com>
Message-ID: <4.1.19990915154018.0333af10@mail.ket.org>

Hmmm... let's try that again...

At 07:37 PM 9/14/1999 -0400, you wrote: 
>(blah...I just wish the  directive in HTML would actually do 
>something useful, more than just being the same as  was. Hell, even 
>
 is more useful, as it doesn't compact whitespace.)

What's wrong with PRE?  Seems like displaying code (and similar) is what
PRE is all about.

-dave


--
David Hempy
Internet Database Administrator
Kentucky Educational Television


From oneiros at dcr.net  Wed Sep 15 19:51:58 1999
From: oneiros at dcr.net (Joe Hourcle)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: October meeting
In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990915154018.0333af10@mail.ket.org>
Message-ID: 



On Wed, 15 Sep 1999, David Hempy wrote:

> Hmmm... let's try that again...
> 
> At 07:37 PM 9/14/1999 -0400, you wrote: 
> >(blah...I just wish the  directive in HTML would actually do 
> >something useful, more than just being the same as  was. Hell, even 
> >
 is more useful, as it doesn't compact whitespace.)
> 
> What's wrong with PRE?  Seems like displaying code (and similar) is what
> PRE is all about.


 does quite a bit, but it still parses the contents for HTML tags,
which means that < > & may confuse it.  For the most part, > and & by
themselves are okay, but < is definately right out, as it'll then chomp
everything up to the next >.

& can be problematic, depending on what immediately follows it.

-----
Joe Hourcle
Digital Crescent, Inc.


From hempy at ket.org  Thu Sep 16 10:58:01 1999
From: hempy at ket.org (David Hempy)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: October meeting
In-Reply-To: 
References: <4.1.19990915154018.0333af10@mail.ket.org>
Message-ID: <4.1.19990916115623.03859010@mail.ket.org>

At 08:51 PM 9/15/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> What's wrong with PRE?  Seems like displaying code (and similar) is what
>> PRE is all about.
>
>
 does quite a bit, but it still parses the contents for HTML tags,
>which means that < > & may confuse it.  For the most part, > and & by
>themselves are okay, but < is definately right out, as it'll then chomp
>everything up to the next >.
>
>& can be problematic, depending on what immediately follows it.

ah-hah... So it does!  Hmm... wonder if I should go back and check any of
those dynamic pages I've created over the years with false expectations...


...nah...

-dave


--
David Hempy
Internet Database Administrator
Kentucky Educational Television


From rbowen at rcbowen.com  Thu Sep 16 07:51:14 1999
From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: Talk subjects
Message-ID: <37E0E7C2.25C62026@rcbowen.com>

I just thought of this. One subject that I'd REALLY like to hear a talk
on, basic or advanced, would be the Perl debugger. It's an enormously
powerful thingy about which I know zip, and I'd like to at least know
some basic stuff about it.

Rich
-- 
Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
Lexington Perl Mongers - http://lexington.pm.org/

From mawall0 at pop.uky.edu  Fri Sep 17 15:19:01 1999
From: mawall0 at pop.uky.edu (Michael Wallace)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: Fwd: Linux Demo Days sponsered by UKLUG
Message-ID: <3.0.6.16.19990917151901.2757cc36@pop.uky.edu>

The UKLUG will be giving a Linux demo at Joseph-Beth's this weekend.  I
believe the demo is geared toward those who are novices, tho.  If you are
interested, all the details are in the following message.  (I believe there
will be some Linux books on discount too...)

Mike

>Date: Fri, 17 Sep 1999 12:14:47 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Ronald Petty 
>To: cs-lower@cs.uky.edu, cs-upper@cs.uky.edu, cs-grad@cs.uky.edu
>Subject: Linux Demo Days sponsered by UKLUG
>
> What: Linux Demo Days
> When: 9-18-99(this saturday)  10am - 6pm
> Where: Joesph Beth Booksellers at Lexington Green Mall
> Admission: FREE
> Local Sponser: UKLUG
>
> Nation wide there has been demonstration of Linux and vaious Open Source
> Software... this Saturday is your chance to learn what the buzz is all
> about.  Linux is a free operating system that anyone in any field can use.
> We are going to display the various versions and software, and hopefully
> dismiss any preconceptions you have on *free software*... UKLUG is the
> University's local affiliate and is open to anyone; student or
> non-student. The goals of UKLUG is increase your technical knowledge
> using these tools and prove money sometimes is a waste...
>
> See you there,
> Ron Petty
> UKLUG treasurer
> ========================================================================
> Ron Petty 252-7173, repett0@sac.uky.edu
> ========================================================================
>
>


From fireston at lexmark.com  Fri Sep 17 14:38:56 1999
From: fireston at lexmark.com (Mik Firestone)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: Talk subjects
In-Reply-To: <37E0E7C2.25C62026@rcbowen.com>
Message-ID: <199909171938.PAA22423@interlock2.lexmark.com>

Rich, was that a direct plea?  I believe I have already offered to do
something on the debugger.

Once again, I can give the basics ( how to set break points, watches, etc )
but the hardcore debugging tools ( available when using a perl compiled with
the -DDEBUGGING flag ) are way out of my depth.

Would a basic talk on debuggers presented by me be of general interest?

Mik

-- 
Mik Firestone fireston@lexmark.com
When I become an Evil Overlord:
One of my advisors will be an average five-year-old child. Any flaws in my
plan that he is able to spot will be corrected before implementation.


On 99.09.16, Rich Bowen is rumored to have said

> I just thought of this. One subject that I'd REALLY like to hear a talk
> on, basic or advanced, would be the Perl debugger. It's an enormously
> powerful thingy about which I know zip, and I'd like to at least know
> some basic stuff about it.
> 
> Rich
> 


From rbowen at rcbowen.com  Fri Sep 17 15:00:58 1999
From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: Talk subjects
References: <199909171938.PAA22423@interlock2.lexmark.com>
Message-ID: <37E29DFA.25C2BF31@rcbowen.com>

Mik Firestone wrote:
> 
> Rich, was that a direct plea?  I believe I have already offered to do
> something on the debugger.
> 
> Once again, I can give the basics ( how to set break points, watches, etc )
> but the hardcore debugging tools ( available when using a perl compiled with
> the -DDEBUGGING flag ) are way out of my depth.
> 
> Would a basic talk on debuggers presented by me be of general interest?

Yes! That would be cool. I would be generally interested.

Rich
-- 
Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
Lexington Perl Mongers - http://lexington.pm.org/

From rbowen at rcbowen.com  Fri Sep 17 16:56:00 1999
From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: fwd: LPM: Talk subjects
Message-ID: <199909172013.QAA24905@happyfunball.pm.org>

======== Original Message ========
I just thought of this. One subject that I'd REALLY like to hear a talk
on, basic or advanced, would be the Perl debugger. It's an enormously
powerful thingy about which I know zip, and I'd like to at least know
some basic stuff about it.

Rich
-- 
Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
Lexington Perl Mongers - http://lexington.pm.org/
======== Fwd by: Loren Lang ========

I've used it a bit, and would be willing to dig into the man(s) on it to
give a brief talk on it at the very basic level.  As a beginning Perl
programmer, the debugger helped me out quite a bit when I actually started
writing things big enough to matter.

Again this would be pretty basic and, given the fact that we'll be moving
during the next month sometime, probably couldn't happen until the November
meeting at earliest.

Loren


From gcasillo at ket.org  Fri Sep 17 16:41:53 1999
From: gcasillo at ket.org (Gregg Casillo)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: Talk subjects
References: <199909171938.PAA22423@interlock2.lexmark.com> <37E29DFA.25C2BF31@rcbowen.com>
Message-ID: <37E2B5A0.D4887BEE@ket.org>

I'd like to see the debugger in action as well.

Rich Bowen wrote:

> Mik Firestone wrote:
> >
> > Rich, was that a direct plea?  I believe I have already offered to do
> > something on the debugger.
> >
> > Once again, I can give the basics ( how to set break points, watches, etc )
> > but the hardcore debugging tools ( available when using a perl compiled with
> > the -DDEBUGGING flag ) are way out of my depth.
> >
> > Would a basic talk on debuggers presented by me be of general interest?
>
> Yes! That would be cool. I would be generally interested.
>
> Rich
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
> Lexington Perl Mongers - http://lexington.pm.org/


From hempy at ket.org  Mon Sep 20 10:28:26 1999
From: hempy at ket.org (David Hempy)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: Fwd: Coy.pm
Message-ID: <4.1.19990920112802.035b9750@mail.ket.org>

>Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 09:08:15 -0400
>From: Deanna Phillips 
>To: gcasillo@ket.org, dhempy@ket.org
>Subject: Coy.pm
>X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i
>
>
>From "A Report on the Open Source Convention" by Vicki Brown
>http://www.sunworld.com/sunworldonline/swol-09-1999/swol-09-osconf.html
>
>Damian Conway's award-winning paper really had people talking. "Coy -- Like 
>Carp
>only Prettier"
>documents a new Perl module which provides haiku error messages: 
>
>The Coy.pm
>module frames errors within
>synthetic haiku.
>
>This reduces the
>stress induced in the user
>when a program fails.
>
>Conway won the Larry Wall Award for Practical Perl Utility. According to Wall,
>"Poetry is practical." 
>
>-- 
>Deanna Phillips		Kentucky Educational Television		dphillips@ket.org
>"Is boredom anything less than the sense of one's faculties slowly dying?"
>-John Berger


--
David Hempy
Internet Database Administrator
Kentucky Educational Television


From rbowen at rcbowen.com  Sat Sep 25 18:43:39 1999
From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: October meeting
Message-ID: <37ED5E2B.47B94E44@rcbowen.com>

OK, just so we're all on the same page, here's the way I understand
things.

Our October meeting will be held at KET, at 6pm on the 13th of October.
Mik will be speaking about the debugger. Are there any other folks that
want to talk about anything, before I make up the posters? Was the
notion of having a beginner topic and an advanced topic too optimistic?

Rich
-- 
Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
Lexington Perl Mongers - http://lexington.pm.org/
PGP Key - http://www.rcbowen.com/pgp.txt

From hempy at ket.org  Sun Sep 26 22:12:34 1999
From: hempy at ket.org (David Hempy)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: October meeting
In-Reply-To: <37ED5E2B.47B94E44@rcbowen.com>
Message-ID: <4.1.19990926230205.0382d160@mail.ket.org>

At 07:43 PM 9/25/1999 -0400, you wrote:
>OK, just so we're all on the same page, here's the way I understand
>things.
>
>Our October meeting will be held at KET, at 6pm on the 13th of October.
>Mik will be speaking about the debugger. Are there any other folks that
>want to talk about anything, before I make up the posters? Was the
>notion of having a beginner topic and an advanced topic too optimistic?
>
>Rich

Yes, room is confirmed.  We'll get the pizza ordered by quarter past this time.

As for the beginner topic, I'll throw out an idea that is probably *way*
below most of the Mongers, but would be helpful to me as a Perl novice.  

I would like to learn more about perlish ways of doing things.  Coming from
more procedural languages, perl seems very magical to me the way you can
jump in and start doing useful work in a program without doing a lot of
ancillary work first.  Things like opening files, allocating memory, even
declaring variables for goodness sake!  It seems so seductive and
racy...almost dirty...

I've got some idea of tasks that perl does exceptionally well...greping and
transmorgifying and listing and such.  I would like to see a few sample
tasks, and hear some typical approaches on ways to accomplish it in perl.
Things as simple as "Count the number of words in a file," "Spell check the
Note column in a CSV file," "Ask all females logged in for a date if they
are cute."  

As I said, this is probably not going to be interesting stuff to anyone
devoted to the language enough to go to a Perl meeting.  Some might tell me
to go read "Learning Perl" again.  Maybe they're right.  Anybody else?


-dave


--
David Hempy
Internet Database Administrator
Kentucky Educational Television


From janine.ladick at fetterprinting.com  Mon Sep 27 08:10:18 1999
From: janine.ladick at fetterprinting.com (Janine Ladick)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: October meeting
In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990926230205.0382d160@mail.ket.org>
References: <37ED5E2B.47B94E44@rcbowen.com>
Message-ID: <199909271309.JAA26754@sidewinder.fetterprinting.com>

Dave suggested:

> I would like to learn more about perlish ways of doing things.  

Perl idiom is a good topic for beginners and veterans alike.  I've 
been working with Perl for 5 years and I *still* do things the boring 
unPerlish way sometimes.  

Janine




From rbowen at rcbowen.com  Mon Sep 27 08:31:51 1999
From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: October meeting
References: <37ED5E2B.47B94E44@rcbowen.com> <199909271309.JAA26754@sidewinder.fetterprinting.com>
Message-ID: <37EF71C7.C162C91F@rcbowen.com>

Janine Ladick wrote:
> 
> Dave suggested:
> 
> > I would like to learn more about perlish ways of doing things.
> 
> Perl idiom is a good topic for beginners and veterans alike.  I've
> been working with Perl for 5 years and I *still* do things the boring
> unPerlish way sometimes.

This sounds rather fun. Perhaps we can take something from Joe Hall's
book (Effective Perl) and something from the Cookbook, and do that each
time. In fact, this sounds like so much fun, I think I'll do it this
month. I'll try to tackle Dave's questions, and throw in something like
the Schwartzian Transform for good measure.

Don't worry, Mik, I won't cut into your time!

Rich
-- 
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Lexington Perl Mongers - http://lexington.pm.org/
PGP Key - http://www.rcbowen.com/pgp.txt

From rbowen at rcbowen.com  Mon Sep 27 09:58:31 1999
From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: Poster
Message-ID: <37EF8617.E619308C@rcbowen.com>

OK, I've made a poster. It's on the Lexington.pm.org web site. Please
print a few copies and display them around your place of work. If any of
you folks can get to campus (whichever campus that might be) please put
up some posters there where students might see them.

Also, if there's anyone out there that actually has any artistic
talents, assistance on the posters would not be unwelcome.

Rich
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Lexington Perl Mongers - http://lexington.pm.org/
PGP Key - http://www.rcbowen.com/pgp.txt

From rbowen at rcbowen.com  Mon Sep 27 10:20:08 1999
From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: Poster
References: <37EF8617.E619308C@rcbowen.com>
Message-ID: <37EF8B28.83F555DA@rcbowen.com>

Rich Bowen wrote:
> 
> OK, I've made a poster. It's on the Lexington.pm.org web site. Please
> print a few copies and display them around your place of work. If any of
> you folks can get to campus (whichever campus that might be) please put
> up some posters there where students might see them.

Make sure you get the right version. I printed off several copies of
last month's poster, which was apparently still in my browser cache!
Doh!

Rich
-- 
Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
Lexington Perl Mongers - http://lexington.pm.org/
PGP Key - http://www.rcbowen.com/pgp.txt

From sungo at earthling.net  Mon Sep 27 10:24:18 1999
From: sungo at earthling.net (Matt Cashner)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: Poster
References: <37EF8617.E619308C@rcbowen.com> <37EF8B28.83F555DA@rcbowen.com>
Message-ID: <006801bf08fc$5e33d820$2d1914ac@asbury.edu>

the current poster still says August 9th as the date.  :)


----- Original Message -----
From: Rich Bowen 
To: 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 1999 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: LPM: Poster


> Rich Bowen wrote:
> >
> > OK, I've made a poster. It's on the Lexington.pm.org web site. Please
> > print a few copies and display them around your place of work. If any of
> > you folks can get to campus (whichever campus that might be) please put
> > up some posters there where students might see them.
>
> Make sure you get the right version. I printed off several copies of
> last month's poster, which was apparently still in my browser cache!
> Doh!
>
> Rich
> --
> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
> Lexington Perl Mongers - http://lexington.pm.org/
> PGP Key - http://www.rcbowen.com/pgp.txt
>


From rbowen at rcbowen.com  Mon Sep 27 10:34:26 1999
From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: Poster
References: <37EF8617.E619308C@rcbowen.com> <37EF8B28.83F555DA@rcbowen.com> <006801bf08fc$5e33d820$2d1914ac@asbury.edu>
Message-ID: <37EF8E82.6DED1C75@rcbowen.com>

Matt Cashner wrote:
> 
> the current poster still says August 9th as the date.  :)

Please press reload. The one up there definately says October 11th.

Rich
-- 
Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
Lexington Perl Mongers - http://lexington.pm.org/
PGP Key - http://www.rcbowen.com/pgp.txt

From fireston at lexmark.com  Mon Sep 27 12:25:09 1999
From: fireston at lexmark.com (Mik Firestone)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: October meeting
In-Reply-To: <37ED5E2B.47B94E44@rcbowen.com>
Message-ID: <199909271724.NAA01341@interlock2.lexmark.com>

Oh, I thought Rich was going to make a presentation on perl idiom.  Or did I
miss something?

Mik

On 99.09.25, Rich Bowen is rumored to have said

> OK, just so we're all on the same page, here's the way I understand
> things.
> 
> Our October meeting will be held at KET, at 6pm on the 13th of October.
> Mik will be speaking about the debugger. Are there any other folks that
> want to talk about anything, before I make up the posters? Was the
> notion of having a beginner topic and an advanced topic too optimistic?
> 
> Rich
> 

-- 
Mik Firestone fireston@lexmark.com
When I become an Evil Overlord:
I won't require high-ranking female members of my organization to wear a
stainless-steel bustier. Morale is better with a more casual dress-code.
Similarly, outfits made entirely from black leather will be reserved for
formal occasions.



From grdodson at lexmark.com  Mon Sep 27 12:41:12 1999
From: grdodson at lexmark.com (Graydon Dodson)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: October meeting
Message-ID: <199909271741.NAA05535@interlock2.lexmark.com>



  Humm, just to make things more confused, the web site says the 
10/11/99 (monday) not 10/13/99 (wed) as in your note below.  Did the day 
of the week for meetings change?

Graydon Dodson
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Date: Sat, 25 Sep 1999 19:43:39 -0400
From: Rich Bowen 
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To: perl mongers 
Subject: LPM: October meeting

OK, just so we're all on the same page, here's the way I understand
things.

Our October meeting will be held at KET, at 6pm on the 13th of October.
Mik will be speaking about the debugger. Are there any other folks that
want to talk about anything, before I make up the posters? Was the
notion of having a beginner topic and an advanced topic too optimistic?

Rich
-- 
Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
Lexington Perl Mongers - http://lexington.pm.org/
PGP Key - http://www.rcbowen.com/pgp.txt


----- End Included Message -----


From rbowen at rcbowen.com  Mon Sep 27 13:08:02 1999
From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: October meeting
References: <199909271741.NAA05535@interlock2.lexmark.com>
Message-ID: <37EFB282.484AA6D7@rcbowen.com>

Graydon Dodson wrote:
> 
>   Humm, just to make things more confused, the web site says the
> 10/11/99 (monday) not 10/13/99 (wed) as in your note below.  Did the day
> of the week for meetings change?

That was an error, and has already been corrected, I believe. I was
looking at the September calendar, not the October one. Sorry. Mea
culpa.

Rich
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Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
Lexington Perl Mongers - http://lexington.pm.org/
PGP Key - http://www.rcbowen.com/pgp.txt

From rbowen at rcbowen.com  Mon Sep 27 13:21:12 1999
From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: October meeting
References: <199909271724.NAA01341@interlock2.lexmark.com>
Message-ID: <37EFB598.F8FDE4C@rcbowen.com>

Mik Firestone wrote:
> 
> Oh, I thought Rich was going to make a presentation on perl idiom.  Or did I
> miss something?

It seems that I've been receiving mail from the list in a rather
scrambled order. I assume everyone else has also. So, here's the
re-summary.

Mik's going to talk about the Perl debugger.
Rich (that's me) is going to talk about Perl idioms. (not to be confused
with Perl idiots.)
Bring $5 for pizza.
We're at KET. See the web site for directions and to download the poster
to put up in your place of work.

In other news, I finally put up some notes from my August presentation
on DBI. I lost my original notes, so I have very little idea of what I
actually said, but I think that I'm fairly close.

Rich
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Lexington Perl Mongers - http://lexington.pm.org/
PGP Key - http://www.rcbowen.com/pgp.txt

From janine.ladick at fetterprinting.com  Mon Sep 27 13:25:48 1999
From: janine.ladick at fetterprinting.com (Janine Ladick)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: October meeting
In-Reply-To: <37EFB598.F8FDE4C@rcbowen.com>
Message-ID: <199909271824.OAA10416@sidewinder.fetterprinting.com>

> Rich (that's me) is going to talk about Perl idioms. (not to be confused
> with Perl idiots.)

So when *will* we get to talk about Perl idiots?

Janine

From rbowen at rcbowen.com  Mon Sep 27 13:33:26 1999
From: rbowen at rcbowen.com (Rich Bowen)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: October meeting
References: <199909271824.OAA10416@sidewinder.fetterprinting.com>
Message-ID: <37EFB876.4C48FB84@rcbowen.com>

Janine Ladick wrote:
> 
> > Rich (that's me) is going to talk about Perl idioms. (not to be confused
> > with Perl idiots.)
> 
> So when *will* we get to talk about Perl idiots?

It comes up most months.

Rich
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Lexington Perl Mongers - http://lexington.pm.org/
PGP Key - http://www.rcbowen.com/pgp.txt

From hempy at ket.org  Mon Sep 27 13:12:40 1999
From: hempy at ket.org (David Hempy)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: Confirmed:  Monday, October 11, 6:00 PM.
In-Reply-To: <199909271741.NAA05535@interlock2.lexmark.com>
Message-ID: <4.1.19990927140532.037d9320@mail.ket.org>


I've checked two calendars and several emails.  The date for the October
Perl Mongers meeting is most definitely:

	Monday, October 11, 1999 AD, 6:00 PM ET.


-dave


--
David Hempy
Internet Database Administrator
Kentucky Educational Television


From mandrews at bit0.com  Mon Sep 27 20:09:15 1999
From: mandrews at bit0.com (Mike Andrews)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:06:25 2004
Subject: LPM: October meeting
In-Reply-To: <199909271824.OAA10416@sidewinder.fetterprinting.com>
Message-ID: 

On Mon, 27 Sep 1999, Janine Ladick wrote:

> So when *will* we get to talk about Perl idiots?

When more people see some of my early code, probably. ;-)

(must learn to do OOP better... I'm all old fashioned and procedural)


Mike Andrews (MA12) * mandrews@dcr.net * http://www.bit0.com/
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