<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I just now read the actual thread.<div><br></div><div>Moose Book: <a href="http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/moose/5187831">http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/moose/5187831</a></div><div><br></div><div>Stevan would very likely send a copy if he has one laying around… which I would expect he does. This is, from what I know, self-published.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm also not a fan of the old guard of the Perl world. Moose matters and while Randall is a good guy (I knew him in Portland, been on FLOSS with him, etc) he's not intrinsic to the new Perl hotness.</div><div><br></div><div>I'm very opinionated on this. I don't think Perl matters anymore, but Moose sure as hell does. Perl without Moose is like Perl. Dead.</div><div><br></div><div>(Yes, that is intentional hyperbole. I'm writing this mostly being snarky)</div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On Mar 26, 2011, at 1:21 PM, hippsta wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">Amen to that.<br><br>Resurgence or no, I think we could just have a good time in a social setting.<br>Case-in-point: we go down the PASCAL/FORTRAN club and knock the dust off of those guys, as they play bridge and reminisce about teletypewriters and punch-cards. ;)<br>
<br>I was serious about the wives, kids, BBQs thing on the website though: (even if they'll be bored out of their minds listening to us talk perl, they could chat and play amongst themselves for that portion.) :D<br><br>
The biggest thing to remember is that although people elevate them to a level of stardom, these guys are just regular dudes:<br>When I was on SanDiego.pm Randall Schwartz had pinged the list asking if he could leave his luggage at someones house while he visited Mexico, lmao.<br>
<br>Also, we should be able to use any clout that we build to secure book reviews from publishers like O'Reilly, which means: free books.. woo!<br><br>C.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 26, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Steve Wells <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wells@cedarnet.org">wells@cedarnet.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">You are now the only other programmer that I know in the area.<div><br></div><div>I used to know everything there was to know about Perl but that was back when it was perl4 and I didn't need to know anything about OO stuff. I never went to school for this stuff either so the vocabulary is kinda' lost on me. I'm a avid reader though so I've poured through Damian's book on Object Oriented Perl but he hasn't written anything new in years. I would love to find a good book on Moose. There is a tiny chapter in the latest Catalyst book and about 10 pages of introduction in Modern Perl (by chromatic) but not much else. The online documentation is decent, albeit a bit dry but I'd love to see an OO book that uses Moose as it's basis the way OOP is written - maybe Damian can be persuaded to write an update. <a href="http://books.perl.org/" target="_blank">books.perl.org</a> doesn't show anything new (it doesn't show the new catalyst books for instance) but a search on Amazon shows a couple updates to older O'Reilly's coming out this summer.</div>
<div><br></div><div>To sum up - you might be right about a resurgence in Perl - if I had to guess I would say this fall or early winter there could be the start of a revival since it looks like O'Reilly might be taking a minor interest again with a new version of Intermediate and Learning Perl books, but we'll see</div>
<div><div><div></div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 8:45 PM, hippsta <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:the.hippsta@gmail.com" target="_blank">the.hippsta@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I feel like i'm pretty much in the same boat as you are.<br><br>The programming community at large may feel that perl has lost it's luster, or hold on the internet or whatever..<br>But realistically on a day-to-day basis, that has no bearing on me.<br>
<br>I use perl daily for sysadmin tasks, and less often for larger scaled modular worker daemon type stuff with OO.<br>Perl still runs X percent of the internet (like 70-80 iirc?) and until *that* changes I won't notice.<br>
<br>I think what they really mean is the companies' marketing depts have moved on to pushing for another buzz word like Ruby.<br>(Python can be left out as it's not a bastard child of perl per se, and has yet to find a niche except in linux system tasks)<br>
<br>Haven't messed with Moose either, but I installed catalyst once and LOL'ed at how many deps it had... the most i'd ever seen.. ever.<br><br>Anyway, I'm definitely looking forward to getting this group going again.<br>
I haven't gotten any other responses, but i'm not discouraged.. i have 4 billion email addies that i don't check either. ;)<br><br>Gonna try the standard recruiting tactics, you know:<br> 1. Guilt friends into joining<br>
2. Post ads on social media, and craigslist<br> 3. Try to convert programmers of other languages @CCSN/UNLV<br><br>See how that goes;<br>Also.. I really think we'll be able to draw a crowd... this *is* Vegas...<br>
Once Larry Wall has keynoted, the people will pour in... :P<br><br>C.<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Steve Wells <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wells@cedarnet.org" target="_blank">wells@cedarnet.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Cool - I'll grab it this weekend… so did you get many responses to your query concerning interest in Perl?<div><br>
</div><div>I don't know how much leverage Perl has lost in the language war, personally I don't care either.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I have CPAN and it solves my problems, so I use Perl. I haven't been paying attention to Moose like I</div><div>should and just started playing around with Catalyst this year, which has given me a whole new</div>
<div>perspective on web development. I know everyone has talked about the death of Perl6 but there seems</div><div>be more active development starting up last year… we'll see how that goes but I'm not holding my breath</div>
<div>(there's too much to do in the meantime :-D).</div><div><br></div><div>How about you - what's Perl done for you lately?</div><div><div><div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 3:11 PM, hippsta <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:the.hippsta@gmail.com" target="_blank">the.hippsta@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I also use mac, and Colloquy which is weird... i don't really like it.. (but it's popular)<br>and the ever popular Adium, which i also hated... :P lol<br>
<br>Those are pretty much the defacto standards for IRC on mac, if you find a better one lemme know.<br>
<br>GVLibrary = Awesome.<br><br>I'm glad to revive it: perl is still a major player in the language world, and on the internet.. it saddened me to the point of needing to take action. :)<br>I suppose that's how revolutions start?<br>
:D<br><br>C.<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 25, 2011 at 1:34 PM, Steve Wells <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wells@cedarnet.org" target="_blank">wells@cedarnet.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I can use IRC again - it's been a few years…<div>can you recommend an IRC program for my mac?<br><br></div><div>I have no problem meeting at the GreenValley Library (and free is always good) :)</div><div><br></div><div>
Thanks for reviving this!</div><div><div><div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 8:02 PM, hippsta <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:the.hippsta@gmail.com" target="_blank">the.hippsta@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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Sounds great Steve! :)<br>...And nice to meet you by the way.<br><br>I was thinking the GreenValley Library as:<br> 1. It's relatively close to me (haha)<br> 2. Use of the conference rooms are free, and...<br> 3. they only require 24hrs notice to secure<br>
<br>Not sure if you still use IRC, but you can come hang out with me and some of the locals on <a href="http://irc.perl.org/" target="_blank">irc.perl.org</a> that have already gravitated toward our room : #<a href="http://lasvegas.pm/" target="_blank">lasvegas.pm</a>; until we work out a meeting date.<br>
<br>Looking forward to it!<br><br>:) Chris<div><div></div><div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 6:26 PM, Steve Wells <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wells@cedarnet.org" target="_blank">wells@cedarnet.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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I'm in - tell me a time and place :)<div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div></div><div>2011/3/24 hippsta <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:the.hippsta@gmail.com" target="_blank">the.hippsta@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div></div><div>
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Hello Fellow Mongers!<br>
<br>We’ve been inactive for far too long, and as the new group leader, I aim to change that.<br>The
companies in this city are not hiring perl programmers, and we are the
only ones that can convince them, and the local computer science /
programming community that </span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:bold;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">perl</span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"> is the answer: not java, python, php or ruby.<br>
</span><br><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">Furthermore,
we live in one of the most popular and visited cities in the world: so
we should be able to secure plenty of guest speakers for keynotes and
lightning talks during our meetings. (I’ve literally already had offers from other group leaders, since yesterday.)</span><br><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"></span><br>
<span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline">I
mainly wanted to get an idea of who all on the list is still out there,
still interested in perl, and to touch base with them. Although, if I
have to I’ll go kidnap some university students and train them myself to
rebuild the group.</span><br><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"><br>
Perl & Loathing in Las Vegas!<br></span><a href="http://lasvegas.pm.org/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000099;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:underline;vertical-align:baseline">http://lasvegas.pm.org/</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial;color:#000000;background-color:transparent;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;vertical-align:baseline"></span><br>
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