From daniel at coder.com Wed Sep 7 12:26:14 2005 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 15:26:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [kw-pm] MVC talk next week: poll Message-ID: So I'm going to be talking about MVCs (Model/View/Controller frameworks), specifically Maypole, at the next kw.pm meeting next Thursday. The topic has lots of possible directions, and I'd like to know peoples' interest and experience beforehand. I know some of you have written MVCs, but I don't want to necessarilly assume everybody has, etc. So, if you will, a quick poll: What's your experience level with MVC frameworks? - "what's MVC?" - "read a few articles, saw a few talks" - "installed one or more MVCs" (which?) - "...and didn't see the point" - "...and I'm using it/them right now" - "wrote one or more from scratch" Interest level? - "meh. I'd rather not" - "tell me what it is first?" - "I'd like to come, but I'm not available next thursday" - "I'm curious about anything perlish" - "... and I know a bit about similar apps (Struts, Ruby on Rails)" - "I'd like to learn this to use it for fun/work" - "Bah! I'll come, but I'll make fun of MVCs" - "I'll (try to) come and (try to) add what I know to the discussion" Anything else to add? Thanks! -da From rdice at pobox.com Wed Sep 7 13:52:33 2005 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:52:33 -0400 Subject: [kw-pm] MVC talk next week: poll In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1126126353.431f531139648@webmail.tht.net> > So I'm going to be talking about MVCs (Model/View/Controller frameworks), > specifically Maypole, at the next kw.pm meeting next Thursday. The topic > has lots of possible directions, and I'd like to know peoples' interest > and experience beforehand. I know some of you have written MVCs, but I > don't want to necessarilly assume everybody has, etc. Don't forget CAF (CGI::Application::Framework), uploaded to CPAN earlier today. :-) Cheers, Richard ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From da at coder.com Wed Sep 7 13:31:47 2005 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 16:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [kw-pm] MVC talk next week: poll In-Reply-To: <1126126353.431f531139648@webmail.tht.net> Message-ID: /me bangs on search.cpan.org ... can't find it yet... ;) This was your and Michael Graham's work, right? -Daniel On Wed, 7 Sep 2005, Richard Dice wrote: > > > So I'm going to be talking about MVCs (Model/View/Controller frameworks), > > specifically Maypole, at the next kw.pm meeting next Thursday. The topic > > has lots of possible directions, and I'd like to know peoples' interest > > and experience beforehand. I know some of you have written MVCs, but I > > don't want to necessarilly assume everybody has, etc. > > Don't forget CAF (CGI::Application::Framework), uploaded to CPAN earlier today. :-) > > Cheers, > Richard > > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From rdice at pobox.com Wed Sep 7 14:12:37 2005 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:12:37 -0400 Subject: [kw-pm] MVC talk next week: poll In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1126127557.431f57c53425c@webmail.tht.net> Quoting "Daniel R. Allen" : > /me bangs on search.cpan.org ... > > can't find it yet... ;) I don't think it has been indexed yet either. I couldn't find it on www.cpan.org myself. I guess it takes a bit for it to move from PAUSE to CPAN. > This was your and Michael Graham's work, right? Yes. You can get the tarball from www.cafweb.org Cheers, Richard ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org Wed Sep 7 14:07:40 2005 From: dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org (lloyd carr) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 21:07:40 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [kw-pm] MVC talk next week: poll In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > What's your experience level with MVC frameworks? - "read a few articles, saw a few talks" > Interest level? - "I'm curious about anything perlish" Heck I'm curious about anything period, that's why I never get anything done :-( > Anything else to add? What do you think of Da? a) He needs to get out from in front of his computer more. b) Anyone who responds to one of his polls needs to get out from in front of their computers more.( Yes that includes me ) c) I'd rather not tell you what I think of Da. d) I'd rather not think of Da period. - Lloyd From da at coder.com Wed Sep 7 14:19:38 2005 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:19:38 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [kw-pm] MVC talk next week: poll In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Sep 2005, lloyd carr wrote: > a) He needs to get out from in front of his computer more. Hey! I resemble that remark! :-P -Daniel > > - Lloyd From matt at sergeant.org Wed Sep 7 14:26:32 2005 From: matt at sergeant.org (Matt Sergeant) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:26:32 -0400 Subject: [kw-pm] MVC talk next week: poll In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <31b89b66f7b8887a6a6bf5214fec9b70@sergeant.org> On 7 Sep 2005, at 15:26, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > What's your experience level with MVC frameworks? > A: - "wrote one or more from scratch" Sort of. You could call AxKit MVC, though it's nothing like Maypole/Catalyst/Rails. Of course I think it's better ;-) > Interest level? > A: - "I'd like to come, but I'm not available next thursday" My mum's visiting from England this month. Bah. Matt. From shuchit at gmail.com Fri Sep 9 16:34:07 2005 From: shuchit at gmail.com (Shuchit Velkar) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 19:34:07 -0400 Subject: [kw-pm] MVC talk next week: poll In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <878c8b01050909163433cb6c20@mail.gmail.com> > What's your experience level with MVC frameworks? - "read a few articles, saw a few talks" > > Interest level? - "I'd like to learn this to use it for fun/work" Shuchit From daniel at coder.com Tue Sep 13 11:18:32 2005 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:18:32 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [kw-pm] Reminder: meeting this thursday, & pizza Message-ID: Our meeting is in two days, at the usual location at the University of Waterloo, Davis Centre room 3323. (see kw.pm.org for directions) I'm presenting on MVC Frameworks, primarily Maypole, which has received a reasonably good buzz from perl developers for its ease of setting up complex database-backed websites with a minimum amount of work. Does it meet the hype? Come and find out. If you hadn't signalled in the survey last week that you're coming, and you want pizza, please visit: http://kw.pm.org/wiki/index.cgi?PizzaList and add thyself. This month fishbot is springing for the pizza. Thanks fishbot! Currently the list has: # Daniel # fishbot # Lloyd # Simon # Elbie # Ggregbot Tell your friends, tell your cow orkers, anybody who would be interested in making web applications in a reasonably efficient manner... And see you Thursday! -Daniel From martin at ensilon.com Tue Sep 13 11:58:12 2005 From: martin at ensilon.com (Martin Kokkelink) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [kw-pm] Reminder: meeting this thursday, & pizza In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4106.209.183.159.52.1126637892.squirrel@kingv1.ensilon.com> A tad late, but here's my poll response. If I can make it, I won't be enjoying any pizza. <<<< What's your experience level with MVC frameworks? - "installed one or more MVCs" (which?) - Struts. Found it neat but wasn't keen on config xml files (where the action-mappings are defined) - it seemed like they could easily grow into monolithic messes Interest level? - "I'm curious about anything perlish" - "... and I know a bit about similar apps (Struts, Ruby on Rails)" - "I'd like to learn this to use it for fun/work" - "Bah! I'll come, but I'll make fun of MVCs" - "I'll (try to) come and (try to) add what I know to the discussion" (all of the above) From dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org Tue Sep 13 15:57:17 2005 From: dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org (lloyd carr) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:57:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [kw-pm] Reminder: meeting this thursday, & pizza In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: What's a cow orker? On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 14:18:32 -0400 (EDT) > From: Daniel R. Allen > To: kw-pm at mail.pm.org > Subject: [kw-pm] Reminder: meeting this thursday, & pizza > > Our meeting is in two days, at the usual location at the University of > Waterloo, Davis Centre room 3323. (see kw.pm.org for directions) > > I'm presenting on MVC Frameworks, primarily Maypole, which has received a > reasonably good buzz from perl developers for its ease of setting up > complex database-backed websites with a minimum amount of work. Does it > meet the hype? Come and find out. > > If you hadn't signalled in the survey last week that you're coming, and > you want pizza, please visit: http://kw.pm.org/wiki/index.cgi?PizzaList > and add thyself. > > This month fishbot is springing for the pizza. Thanks fishbot! > > Currently the list has: > # Daniel > # fishbot > # Lloyd > # Simon > # Elbie > # Ggregbot > > > Tell your friends, tell your cow orkers, anybody who would be interested > in making web applications in a reasonably efficient manner... And see you > Thursday! > > -Daniel > > > > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org From da at coder.com Tue Sep 13 16:17:09 2005 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 19:17:09 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [kw-pm] Reminder: meeting this thursday, & pizza In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Somebody whow orks at the samep lace as you, of course. :) On Tue, 13 Sep 2005, lloyd carr wrote: > What's a cow orker? From daniel at coder.com Thu Sep 15 22:27:40 2005 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 01:27:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [kw-pm] maypole followup Message-ID: The webpage we tried visiting at maypole.perl.org, which was mangled by spammers, has been restored (I used a copy on my home computer to revert it, actually). The point I was going to make was that they use Apache handler methods from within the package they wrote which runs the app, which is what they're calling the Model. (however, if you look at it differently, it's all sort of _under_ the controller, since the apache handler is at core a controller object.) Ugh, maybe I'm just confusing things. :) Thanks to all who came for contributing to the great discussion; we'll have to do it again some time. Maybe even in 30 days or so. -Daniel From fhew3 at cogeco.ca Mon Sep 26 20:12:09 2005 From: fhew3 at cogeco.ca (Fulko Hew) Date: Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:12:09 -0400 Subject: [kw-pm] September TPM Metting - Lightning Talks (reminder, and call for presenters) Message-ID: <4338B889.9040203@cogeco.ca> This is a reminder and also a final call for presenters for our annual lightning talk session at TPM (this Thursday at 6:45'ish). The elevator runs start at about 6:30 till 7PM, and after that, there will be a phone number left at the security desk to call for the TPM elevator valet. The presenters so far are: Michael Graham - YAPC::EU summary Michael Graham - Testing CPAN Dependencies Michael Graham - Non-interactive debugging with Devel::Trace Shaun Griffith - AI::Prolog Jim Harris - Net::Telnet We can always use more speakers, and obviously, there _is_ still time available for more volunteers (hint, hint) Don't be shy... its a time limited offer... really... lightning talks... get it?... time limited... So email me your topic! From fhew3 at cogeco.ca Wed Sep 28 21:38:23 2005 From: fhew3 at cogeco.ca (Fulko Hew) Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2005 00:38:23 -0400 Subject: [kw-pm] tonight's TPM Lightning Talk line-up Message-ID: <433B6FBF.7020101@cogeco.ca> To wet your appetite... here is the final list of presenters for tonight's TPM Lightning Talk meeting. Michael Graham - YAPC::EU summary Michael Graham - Testing CPAN Dependencies Michael Graham - Non-interactive debugging with Devel::Trace Shaun Griffith - AI::Prolog Jim Harris - Net::Telnet Richard Dice - The Descent of Man Fulko Hew - Which Way Did He Go ? Fulko Hew - (surprise) See you all there!