From daniel at coder.com Mon Nov 14 14:11:54 2005 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:11:54 -0500 (EST) Subject: [kw-pm] cool: postgres server-side perl scripting Message-ID: For those not on Toronto Perl Mongers list, somebody has pointed at the following article: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/databases/2005/11/10/using-perl-in-postgresql.html ...which shows off some cool postgres features for server-side perl scripting, which include perl in triggers in version 8.0. Anybody around here use postgres? -Daniel From matt at sergeant.org Mon Nov 14 17:57:28 2005 From: matt at sergeant.org (Matt Sergeant) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:57:28 -0500 Subject: [kw-pm] cool: postgres server-side perl scripting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 14 Nov 2005, at 17:11, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > For those not on Toronto Perl Mongers list, somebody has pointed at the > following article: > http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/databases/2005/11/10/using-perl-in- > postgresql.html > > ...which shows off some cool postgres features for server-side perl > scripting, which include perl in triggers in version 8.0. > > Anybody around here use postgres? We use it for a number of large scale projects, but never found a real need for pl/perl. Sadly there is one horrible bug in Pg's stored procedure language (at least there was last time I used it in anger - back in 7.x days) that temp tables weren't temporary - they were created once and cached sort of like a mod_perl version of temp tables. I hope that's fixed in the 8.x series... BTW: You can have perl functions in SQLite via DBD::SQLite too. From da at coder.com Mon Nov 14 18:34:02 2005 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:34:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: [kw-pm] cool: postgres server-side perl scripting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 14 Nov 2005, Matt Sergeant wrote: > On 14 Nov 2005, at 17:11, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > > Anybody around here use postgres? > > We use it for a number of large scale projects, but never found a real > need for pl/perl. Sadly there is one horrible bug in Pg's stored > procedure language (at least there was last time I used it in anger - > back in 7.x days) that temp tables weren't temporary - they were > created once and cached sort of like a mod_perl version of temp tables. > I hope that's fixed in the 8.x series... >From the oreilly article, it sounded like pl/perl has grown up a bit; I'd be surprised if a bug that glaring wasn't fixed; but I've not used it myself. > BTW: You can have perl functions in SQLite via DBD::SQLite too. Wow. ...looking at the perldoc... that's pretty neat. I could totally see that making database code cleaner. I gotta ask, does that slow things down much? -Daniel From daniel at coder.com Mon Nov 14 18:52:33 2005 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:52:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [kw-pm] stuff for November meeting Message-ID: As noted on our website's front page, the November meeting (the second round of the very successful Ask Dr. Perl) is a week later, on the 24th- so that a greater number of people can make the meeting. Unfortunately, that set won't include me; I'll be at my parents' house celebrating US thanksgiving (good deal for me, two thanksgivings this year...) We need a volunteer Pizza Wrangler, to: remind people to RSVP on the wiki, order the pizza and go downstairs and pick it up. And that's it. Happy Monday, Daniel From matt at sergeant.org Tue Nov 15 06:37:53 2005 From: matt at sergeant.org (Matt Sergeant) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 09:37:53 -0500 Subject: [kw-pm] cool: postgres server-side perl scripting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 14 Nov 2005, at 21:34, Daniel R. Allen wrote: >> BTW: You can have perl functions in SQLite via DBD::SQLite too. > > Wow. ...looking at the perldoc... that's pretty neat. I could > totally > see that making database code cleaner. > > I gotta ask, does that slow things down much? I have no idea :-) Probably - perl is stack based so every time you call a function you've got this context switch between the C side of things and the perl side of things, which isn't all that fast. Matt. From daniel at coder.com Tue Nov 22 13:23:59 2005 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:23:59 -0500 (EST) Subject: [kw-pm] Reminder: meeting this Thursday, 7pm, DC 3323 Message-ID: The meeting topic will be "Dear Dr. Perl II". ...if you have code you'd like the group to discuss, please send it to fish at uc.org soon! So far Eric has a small bit of code, and I'm sending along code on markov chains. I wish I could be there in person, but I'll be at my folks' place (US Thanksgiving). Chris C. will be opening the meeting, the role of moderator will be played by Eric, and the role of Dr. Perl will be played by... everyone. So come out for a discussion that's sure to be interesting. If you're interested in Non-Thanksgiving pizza, please add your name to the wiki and bring $5. (http://kw.pm.org/wiki/PizzaList ) -Daniel From eric at uc.org Wed Nov 23 11:47:00 2005 From: eric at uc.org (Eric) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:47:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [kw-pm] Reminder: meeting this Thursday, 7pm, DC 3323 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: All: Looks like a cozy meeting this week. That is to say, small. I think that we will just sit back and have a round-table/show-and-tell. Bring any code you want to show - regardless of whether you are proud of it or stumped by it. Anything you feel like discussing. No code too trivial, no question too dumb. Chris: will you have a laptop? Eric ---- original message : 2005-11-22 4:23pm : Daniel R. Allen ---- The meeting topic will be "Dear Dr. Perl II". ...if you have code you'd like the group to discuss, please send it to fish at uc.org soon! So far Eric has a small bit of code, and I'm sending along code on markov chains. I wish I could be there in person, but I'll be at my folks' place (US Thanksgiving). Chris C. will be opening the meeting, the role of moderator will be played by Eric, and the role of Dr. Perl will be played by... everyone. So come out for a discussion that's sure to be interesting. If you're interested in Non-Thanksgiving pizza, please add your name to the wiki and bring $5. (http://kw.pm.org/wiki/PizzaList ) From abez at abez.ca Wed Nov 23 11:55:42 2005 From: abez at abez.ca (abez) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 14:55:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [kw-pm] Reminder: meeting this Thursday, 7pm, DC 3323 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For some reason I can't edit the Pizza page. So is Dear Dr. Perl II more for helping people or is it also used for showing novel solutions? abram On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, Eric wrote: > > All: > > Looks like a cozy meeting this week. That is to say, small. I > think that we will just sit back and have a > round-table/show-and-tell. Bring any code you want to show - > regardless of whether you are proud of it or stumped by it. > Anything you feel like discussing. No code too trivial, no > question too dumb. > > Chris: will you have a laptop? > > Eric > > ---- original message : 2005-11-22 4:23pm : Daniel R. Allen ---- > > The meeting topic will be "Dear Dr. Perl II". ...if you have code you'd > like the group to discuss, please send it to fish at uc.org soon! > > So far Eric has a small bit of code, and I'm sending along code on markov > chains. I wish I could be there in person, but I'll be at my folks' place > (US Thanksgiving). Chris C. will be opening the meeting, the role of > moderator will be played by Eric, and the role of Dr. Perl will be played > by... everyone. So come out for a discussion that's sure to be > interesting. > > If you're interested in Non-Thanksgiving pizza, please add your name to > the wiki and bring $5. (http://kw.pm.org/wiki/PizzaList ) > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > -- abez ------------------------------------------ http://www.abez.ca/ Abram Hindle (abez at abez.ca) ------------------------------------------ abez From daniel at coder.com Wed Nov 23 12:30:17 2005 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:30:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [kw-pm] Reminder: meeting this Thursday, 7pm, DC 3323 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: There were some template problems with the wiki that I think I fixed- It works for me ;) ...but for now I suppose it's probably best to RSVP to the list if you're wanting the pizza. So far the list is fishbot and chris?... ...looking at the weather forecast, it's looking equally likely that I'll be there too, if I can't drive east in the snowstorm... -D On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, abez wrote: > > For some reason I can't edit the Pizza page. So is Dear Dr. Perl II more > for helping people or is it also used for showing novel solutions? > > abram > > On Wed, 23 Nov 2005, Eric wrote: > > > > > All: > > > > Looks like a cozy meeting this week. That is to say, small. I > > think that we will just sit back and have a > > round-table/show-and-tell. Bring any code you want to show - > > regardless of whether you are proud of it or stumped by it. > > Anything you feel like discussing. No code too trivial, no > > question too dumb. > > > > Chris: will you have a laptop? > > > > Eric > > > > ---- original message : 2005-11-22 4:23pm : Daniel R. Allen ---- > > > > The meeting topic will be "Dear Dr. Perl II". ...if you have code you'd > > like the group to discuss, please send it to fish at uc.org soon! > > > > So far Eric has a small bit of code, and I'm sending along code on markov > > chains. I wish I could be there in person, but I'll be at my folks' place > > (US Thanksgiving). Chris C. will be opening the meeting, the role of > > moderator will be played by Eric, and the role of Dr. Perl will be played > > by... everyone. So come out for a discussion that's sure to be > > interesting. > > > > If you're interested in Non-Thanksgiving pizza, please add your name to > > the wiki and bring $5. (http://kw.pm.org/wiki/PizzaList ) > > _______________________________________________ > > kw-pm mailing list > > kw-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > > > > -- > abez ------------------------------------------ > http://www.abez.ca/ Abram Hindle (abez at abez.ca) > ------------------------------------------ abez > > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From eric at uc.org Wed Nov 23 12:52:52 2005 From: eric at uc.org (Eric) Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 15:52:52 -0500 (EST) Subject: [kw-pm] Reminder: meeting this Thursday, 7pm, DC 3323 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > So is Dear Dr. Perl II more for helping people or is it also > used for showing novel solutions? Let's pretend that this time around, the title is "Perl Show and Tell". If you have a problem, that's great. If you have a cool bit of code, that's great too. If you want to show fives line of code, draw a problem or solution on the whiteboard... do an interpretive dance that expresses the way you feel about declarative programming... anything you have. The alternate title is "We didn't have time to organise a talk, so let's cobble it together on the fly." But seriously, no dancing. Eric From abez at abez.ca Thu Nov 24 18:28:09 2005 From: abez at abez.ca (abez) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:28:09 -0500 (EST) Subject: [kw-pm] Some software from the meeting Message-ID: http://churchturing.org/ <-- I my "crap" homepage. It contains software I like to write, which includes the comic drawing module and some of the comics generated. As well it includes the Work Logger which logs the X11 focus. I might have newer version of both so if you actually try to use one seriously it might be a good idea to talk to me. Also an idea I forgot to mention was using the File::Tail module with channel logs to produce "realtime" comic depiction of what is going on in a chat room. So you tail the file and draw panels as the conversation is logged. This could easily be done with SDL, I just never got around to it. So it'd be like MS Comic Chat except it's just be a viewer for IRC chat. abram -- abez ------------------------------------------ http://www.abez.ca/ Abram Hindle (abez at abez.ca) ------------------------------------------ abez From fhew3 at cogeco.ca Sun Nov 27 21:20:35 2005 From: fhew3 at cogeco.ca (Fulko Hew) Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 00:20:35 -0500 Subject: [kw-pm] YAPC::NA::2005 Conference Proceedings are now available Message-ID: <438A93A3.70001@cogeco.ca> For those of you who haven't yet seen it elsewhere... YAPC::NA::2005 Conference Proceedings are now available You can now re-live the excitement from YAPC::NA::2005 because the Toronto Perl Mongers, YAPC, and me, are happy to finally announce the availability of the proceedings from YAPC::NA::2005 held in Toronto. It contains HTML navigation pages, biographies, presentation slides, audio and video recordings of the presentations and candid photos from the daytime and nighttime activities. All this is available in two forms: 1. A CD that contains everything except for video recordings. 2. A DVD that contains everything except for the audio recordings. The navigation pages on both media indicate the availability of the audio and video recordings, even if they are not provided on that media. Note that there may be some talks that are available in audio only, so download both the CD and DVD if you want the full set. ISOs for both the CD and DVD are downloadable using BitTorrent. Go to: http://torrent.ibiblio.org/doc.php?docid=64 Click on the 'View Torrents' link near the top, Select the link for the appropriate torrent; CD for audio, DVD for video. You will see information, including a list of files in the torrent. Click the 'Download torrent' button to start the BitTorrent download. If you are unfamiliar with BitTorrent, see the help page at http://torrent.ibiblio.org/help.php for more information. Alternatively you can have a CD/DVD set shipped to your address for $5 US for Canadian and continental US destinations and $10 US for all other destinations. To arrange shipment, go to http://hew.ca/