From shuchit at gmail.com Wed Dec 1 10:35:52 2004 From: shuchit at gmail.com (Shuchit Velkar) Date: Wed Dec 1 10:35:56 2004 Subject: Fwd: [kw-pm] $self->shoot_foot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <878c8b0104120108351f4e100@mail.gmail.com> > I don't suppose there's any interest in changing the date from the 16th to > the 9th? > > "No" is fine; but if both dates are fine with folks (or others prefer the > 9th; fewer holiday parties earlier in the month, right?) I'd like to be > able to make it myelf :) Either date is fine with me. Other days of the week except for Tuesday or Friday are fine too. Shuchit From fhew3 at cogeco.ca Wed Dec 1 23:49:37 2004 From: fhew3 at cogeco.ca (Fulko Hew) Date: Wed Dec 1 23:49:40 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] TPM - November 2004 talk now available online Message-ID: <41AEACF1.5090508@cogeco.ca> Everyone: The Toronto Perl Monger's Audio archives now has this months talk available online. It was Steve Hayman from Apple Canada talking about "Mac OS X and Perl". Check out that talk and other past meeting presentations at: http://hew.ca/talks_audio/ From daniel at coder.com Thu Dec 2 09:23:37 2004 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Thu Dec 2 09:30:22 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] The Perl Review has a new designer... Message-ID: Congratulations, fishbot, on releasing your first issue of The Perl Review :) http://use.perl.org/~brian_d_foy/journal/22097 From daniel at coder.com Thu Dec 2 09:36:51 2004 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Thu Dec 2 09:43:34 2004 Subject: Fwd: [kw-pm] $self->shoot_foot In-Reply-To: <878c8b0104120108351f4e100@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hm, does silence mean agreement or disagreement? (Lloyd, what did you call that phenomenon? warnock?) It looks like the original date of the Dec. 16th stands for meeting at the Huether's (downstairs), 7pm. Final tally: 1 for either date, one for both dates, and one for the 9th (me). So I'll be having drinks with Eric on the 9th. Anybody else who wants to can show up, but I hope everybody will show up on the 16th. Hopefully helpfully yours, Daniel -- http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Shuchit Velkar wrote: > > I don't suppose there's any interest in changing the date from the 16th to > > the 9th? > > > > "No" is fine; but if both dates are fine with folks (or others prefer the > > 9th; fewer holiday parties earlier in the month, right?) I'd like to be > > able to make it myelf :) > > Either date is fine with me. Other days of the week except for Tuesday > or Friday are fine too. > > Shuchit > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From elbie at trig.net Thu Dec 2 10:16:41 2004 From: elbie at trig.net (Christopher Calzonetti) Date: Thu Dec 2 10:16:44 2004 Subject: Fwd: [kw-pm] $self->shoot_foot In-Reply-To: References: <878c8b0104120108351f4e100@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20041202161641.GB57098@trig.net> I'm potentially good for both dates. Let me know where and when. On Thu, Dec 02, 2004 at 10:36:51AM -0500, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > Hm, does silence mean agreement or disagreement? (Lloyd, what did you > call that phenomenon? warnock?) > > It looks like the original date of the Dec. 16th stands for meeting at the > Huether's (downstairs), 7pm. > > Final tally: 1 for either date, one for both dates, and one for the 9th > (me). So I'll be having drinks with Eric on the 9th. Anybody else who > wants to can show up, but I hope everybody will show up on the 16th. From eric at uc.org Thu Dec 2 10:39:58 2004 From: eric at uc.org (Eric - fishbot) Date: Thu Dec 2 10:40:16 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] The Perl Review has a new designer... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Congratulations, fishbot, on releasing your first issue of > The Perl Review :) > http://use.perl.org/~brian_d_foy/journal/22097 Thanks Daniel. brian is mailing me a 'handful' of print copies. Not sure what that means, but definitely one or two will go into the kw.pm library. Not sure if those will arrive before the 9th/16th, though. I think that he is based out of Chicago. God only knows with the internet, though. For the longest time he though I was in Kentucky. I think that this issue is pretty good. To be 100% honest, though I spent hours and hours formatting and arranging the articles, I haven't exactly -read- them yet. What I have read was fairly interesting. More interesting than the first issue, I think. re. /pub/social/ - Since everyone* except Lloyd has said that the 9th is cool, I propose we move the meeting to the 9th, barring objections from Lloyd. Two perl beer nights is too much for me. * By 'everyone' I mean the set of people who have attended meeting(s) since August, except for our November walk-in. And by 'set' I mean '5'. Eric From daniel at coder.com Thu Dec 2 17:06:46 2004 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Thu Dec 2 17:13:31 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] The Perl Review has a new designer... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Eric - fishbot wrote: > > Congratulations, fishbot, on releasing your first issue of > > The Perl Review :) > > > http://use.perl.org/~brian_d_foy/journal/22097 > > Thanks Daniel. brian is mailing me a 'handful' of print > copies. Not sure what that means, but definitely one or two > will go into the kw.pm library. Not sure if those will > arrive before the 9th/16th, though. I think that he is > based out of Chicago. God only knows with the internet, > though. For the longest time he though I was in Kentucky. Heh. The last batch arrived surprisingly quickly, under a week. I'm looking forward to seeing it. > re. /pub/social/ - Since everyone* except Lloyd has said that the > 9th is cool, I propose we move the meeting to the 9th, barring > objections from Lloyd. Two perl beer nights is too much for me. Paging Mr. Carr... :) -Daniel From dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org Fri Dec 3 02:53:11 2004 From: dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org (lloyd carr) Date: Fri Dec 3 02:53:35 2004 Subject: Fwd: [kw-pm] $self->shoot_foot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Warnock's Dilemma The act of choosing whether the lack of response to a discussion-list post is because of its brilliance (there's nothing to add) or because of its stupidity (it doesn't deserve comment). Named after Brian Warnock, who first described the condition on a Perl list. On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:36:51 -0500 (EST) > From: Daniel R. Allen > To: Shuchit Velkar > Cc: kw-pm@mail.pm.org > Subject: Re: Fwd: [kw-pm] $self->shoot_foot > > Hm, does silence mean agreement or disagreement? (Lloyd, what did you > call that phenomenon? warnock?) > > It looks like the original date of the Dec. 16th stands for meeting at the > Huether's (downstairs), 7pm. > > Final tally: 1 for either date, one for both dates, and one for the 9th > (me). So I'll be having drinks with Eric on the 9th. Anybody else who > wants to can show up, but I hope everybody will show up on the 16th. > > Hopefully helpfully yours, > > Daniel > > -- > http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com > > On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Shuchit Velkar wrote: > > > > I don't suppose there's any interest in changing the date from the 16th to > > > the 9th? > > > > > > "No" is fine; but if both dates are fine with folks (or others prefer the > > > 9th; fewer holiday parties earlier in the month, right?) I'd like to be > > > able to make it myelf :) > > > > Either date is fine with me. Other days of the week except for Tuesday > > or Friday are fine too. > > > > Shuchit > > _______________________________________________ > > kw-pm mailing list > > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > > > > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > dcarr@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org From dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org Fri Dec 3 03:18:10 2004 From: dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org (lloyd carr) Date: Fri Dec 3 03:18:16 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] The Perl Review has a new designer... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > re. /pub/social/ - Since everyone* except Lloyd has said that the > 9th is cool, I propose we move the meeting to the 9th, barring > objections from Lloyd. Two perl beer nights is too much for me. I object, I object! OK just kidding, the 9th is good. One question has anyone thought of trying to find a quieter venue than your typical bar? I have nothing against beer, but a place like moody blues where Daniel, Chris and I first met, with soft jazz in the background might be more conducive to conversation. - Lloyd From dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org Fri Dec 3 03:30:16 2004 From: dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org (lloyd carr) Date: Fri Dec 3 03:30:24 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] The Perl Review has a new designer... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > Paging Mr. Carr... :) > > -Daniel Oh yes, sorry couldn't hear you over that damn music. "SHUT THAT BLOODY BAZOUKI OFF!" From eric at uc.org Fri Dec 3 09:10:33 2004 From: eric at uc.org (Eric - fishbot) Date: Fri Dec 3 09:10:41 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] /pub/social/locale.h In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > One question has anyone thought of trying to find a > quieter venue than your typical bar? I have nothing > against beer, but a place like moody blues where Daniel, > Chris and I first met, with soft jazz in the background > might be more conducive to conversation. That's sort of funny. I have a 'date' at Moody Blues tonight, and Wednesday night I met people at the Huether. I don't entirely disagree with you, Lloyd. But, here is where I do disagree: - Moody Blues is a lovely place, perfect for two or three people to have a conversation over tea. But five people around her little 20-inch tables would be unpleasantly crowded. There is only one spot capable of holding five people comfortably, and if it is taken we would have to split up and rotate on a determined schedule. - The Huether downstairs is -way- quieter than, say, FrontRow or even Mongolian Grill. I was there with three other people the other night, and we sat and talked comfortably for two or three hours. The closest occupied table was quite far away, and occupied by two women in their 60s. All that said, I certainly take your point. If anyone knows of a quieter pub or a larger café, let's discuss further at: http://kw.pm.org/wiki/index.cgi?PubSocial Hope everyone has a great weekend, Eric From da at coder.com Fri Dec 3 17:45:41 2004 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Fri Dec 3 17:52:35 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] /pub/social/locale.h In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As Greg Fenton noted on the wiki page, Plantations Café is quieter, has lots of deserts, and most importantly, is licensed. I just gave them a call and they have a small mix of beers in bottles and Pete's on tap. Sounds worth trying to me. So, what say all to trying there, Thursday the 9th, 7pm? If it turns out to be a bad idea, we're just across the street from Huethers. :) -Daniel -- http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Eric - fishbot wrote: > > > One question has anyone thought of trying to find a > > quieter venue than your typical bar? I have nothing > > against beer, but a place like moody blues where Daniel, > > Chris and I first met, with soft jazz in the background > > might be more conducive to conversation. > > That's sort of funny. I have a 'date' at Moody Blues > tonight, and Wednesday night I met people at the Huether. > > I don't entirely disagree with you, Lloyd. But, here is > where I do disagree: > > - Moody Blues is a lovely place, perfect for two or three > people to have a conversation over tea. But five people > around her little 20-inch tables would be unpleasantly > crowded. There is only one spot capable of holding five > people comfortably, and if it is taken we would have to > split up and rotate on a determined schedule. > > - The Huether downstairs is -way- quieter than, say, > FrontRow or even Mongolian Grill. I was there with three > other people the other night, and we sat and talked > comfortably for two or three hours. The closest occupied > table was quite far away, and occupied by two women in > their 60s. > > All that said, I certainly take your point. If anyone knows of a > quieter pub or a larger café, let's discuss further at: > http://kw.pm.org/wiki/index.cgi?PubSocial > > Hope everyone has a great weekend, > Eric > > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From elbie at trig.net Fri Dec 3 23:48:43 2004 From: elbie at trig.net (Christopher Calzonetti) Date: Fri Dec 3 23:48:45 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] /pub/social/locale.h In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3508.216.59.227.182.1102139323.squirrel@216.59.227.182> It came as a great surprise to me, but I just discovered that Moody Blues is also now licensed. But I'm flexible. Whatever. -- Christopher Calzonetti, Technical Lead, Trig.Net Web: http://www.trig.net/ Mail: mailto:chris@trig.net > As Greg Fenton noted on the wiki page, Plantations Caf? is quieter, has > lots of deserts, and most importantly, is licensed. I just gave them a > call and they have a small mix of beers in bottles and Pete's on tap. > Sounds worth trying to me. > > So, what say all to trying there, Thursday the 9th, 7pm? > > If it turns out to be a bad idea, we're just across the street from > Huethers. :) > > -Daniel > > -- > http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com > > On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Eric - fishbot wrote: > >> >> > One question has anyone thought of trying to find a >> > quieter venue than your typical bar? I have nothing >> > against beer, but a place like moody blues where Daniel, >> > Chris and I first met, with soft jazz in the background >> > might be more conducive to conversation. >> >> That's sort of funny. I have a 'date' at Moody Blues >> tonight, and Wednesday night I met people at the Huether. >> >> I don't entirely disagree with you, Lloyd. But, here is >> where I do disagree: >> >> - Moody Blues is a lovely place, perfect for two or three >> people to have a conversation over tea. But five people >> around her little 20-inch tables would be unpleasantly >> crowded. There is only one spot capable of holding five >> people comfortably, and if it is taken we would have to >> split up and rotate on a determined schedule. >> >> - The Huether downstairs is -way- quieter than, say, >> FrontRow or even Mongolian Grill. I was there with three >> other people the other night, and we sat and talked >> comfortably for two or three hours. The closest occupied >> table was quite far away, and occupied by two women in >> their 60s. >> >> All that said, I certainly take your point. If anyone knows of a >> quieter pub or a larger caf?, let's discuss further at: >> http://kw.pm.org/wiki/index.cgi?PubSocial >> >> Hope everyone has a great weekend, >> Eric >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kw-pm mailing list >> kw-pm@mail.pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm >> > > > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > > From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Dec 7 10:51:54 2004 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue Dec 7 11:49:14 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] rpm install doesn't see that i've installed IPC::Run Message-ID: ok, i'm sure i've done something silly here, but i want to install the cvsweb rpm on my fedora core 3 system. it has a prereq of "perl(IPC::Run)", so i fired up CPAN and installed it. and yet, rpm is still complaining. have i missed some essential step here? rday From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Dec 7 13:43:31 2004 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue Dec 7 13:43:54 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] rpm install doesn't see that i've installed IPC::Run In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 Greg.Fenton@sybase.com wrote: > It is likely that the RPM is checking to see if the IPC::Run *RPM* is > installed, not just the Perl module. i don't think so since, first, i don't know that there's any such *thing* as an IPC::Run rpm. more importantly, checking the dependencies of the cvsweb rpm gives me (in part): /bin/sh /bin/sh /usr/bin/perl config(cvsweb) = 0:3.0.4-0.fdr.1 cvs httpd perl >= 0:5.006 perl(Cwd) perl(File::Basename) perl(File::Path) perl(File::Spec::Functions) perl(File::Temp) perl(IPC::Run) ... note that the dependencies seems to clearly show that it understands that this is a *perl* module with "perl(IPC::Run)". so the rpm command seems to understand we're not talking about a regular rpm here, which is understandable. > You can force the cvsweb RPM to install with: > > rpm -Uvh --nodeps cvsweb.rpm oh, i understand that, believe me. but i have to believe there has to be a clean way to do this without forcing anything. rday From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Dec 7 14:22:52 2004 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue Dec 7 14:23:16 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] rpm install doesn't see that i've installed IPC::Run In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 Greg.Fenton@sybase.com wrote: > http://rpmfind.net/linux/rpm2html/search.php?query=perl-ipc-run&submit=Search+...&system=&arch= i stand corrected. but i still can't believe that that syntax for dependencies didn't refer to available perl modules on the system. i'll look into that more closely. rday From daniel at coder.com Wed Dec 8 08:24:17 2004 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Wed Dec 8 08:31:44 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Reminder: /pub/social this Thursday Message-ID: This time, for a quieter locale with the options of beer and deserts, we're meeting tomorrow evening at the Symposium Cafe, at the corner of King and Erb in Waterloo, at 7pm. Hope to see you there! -Daniel -- http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com From rpjday at mindspring.com Wed Dec 8 12:51:49 2004 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Wed Dec 8 12:52:14 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] anyone here installed Kwiki on fedora core 3? Message-ID: i've asked about this on the kwiki ML, and haven't received a full answer on how to do this. i've tried to install Kwiki on a newly-installed FC3 system according to the instructions at http://www.kwiki.org/?KwikiInstallation i can't even make it past the CPAN install: # perl -MCPAN -e 'install Kwiki' when i do that, i get loads of output, ending with: BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at lib/Kwiki.pm line 4. Compilation failed in require at t/formatter3.t line 5. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at t/formatter3.t line 5. # Looks like your test died before it could output anything. t/formatter3....dubious Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) FAILED--4 test scripts could be run, alas--no output ever seen make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 2 /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK Running make install make test had returned bad status, won't install without force as much as i don't like forcing anything, i gave that a shot as well with: # perl -MCPAN -e 'force install Kwiki' and got the same results. one person on the mailing list said he had success by first installing CPANPLUS and using that, but he admitted that his first attempt failed and he first had to force-install IO::All before it worked. all this forcing of things makes me a mite queasy. i'd like to know if anyone else has managed to install this without resorting to brute strength. rday From Greg.Fenton at ianywhere.com Wed Dec 8 13:01:42 2004 From: Greg.Fenton at ianywhere.com (Greg.Fenton@ianywhere.com) Date: Wed Dec 8 13:01:47 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] anyone here installed Kwiki on fedora core 3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Try: $ perl -MCPAN -e shell cpan> look Kwiki << -- this will open a shell in the Kwiki build directory $ make $ make test $ make install $ exit cpan> quit Look for obvious errors in the "make" or "make test" stages. greg.fenton ---- Greg Fenton Consultant, Solution Services iAnywhere Solutions "Robert P. J. Day" Sent by: kw-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org 12/08/2004 01:51 PM To KW Perl list cc Subject [kw-pm] anyone here installed Kwiki on fedora core 3? i've asked about this on the kwiki ML, and haven't received a full answer on how to do this. i've tried to install Kwiki on a newly-installed FC3 system according to the instructions at http://www.kwiki.org/?KwikiInstallation i can't even make it past the CPAN install: # perl -MCPAN -e 'install Kwiki' when i do that, i get loads of output, ending with: BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at lib/Kwiki.pm line 4. Compilation failed in require at t/formatter3.t line 5. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at t/formatter3.t line 5. # Looks like your test died before it could output anything. t/formatter3....dubious Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) FAILED--4 test scripts could be run, alas--no output ever seen make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 2 /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK Running make install make test had returned bad status, won't install without force as much as i don't like forcing anything, i gave that a shot as well with: # perl -MCPAN -e 'force install Kwiki' and got the same results. one person on the mailing list said he had success by first installing CPANPLUS and using that, but he admitted that his first attempt failed and he first had to force-install IO::All before it worked. all this forcing of things makes me a mite queasy. i'd like to know if anyone else has managed to install this without resorting to brute strength. rday _______________________________________________ kw-pm mailing list kw-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/kw-pm/attachments/20041208/4a5d61d5/attachment.htm From rpjday at mindspring.com Wed Dec 8 13:09:34 2004 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Wed Dec 8 13:10:05 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] anyone here installed Kwiki on fedora core 3? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 Greg.Fenton@ianywhere.com wrote: > Try: > > > $ perl -MCPAN -e shell > cpan> look Kwiki got it, Kwiki-0.33, removed previous build directory > $ make i'm assuming you just forgot about "perl Makefile.PL" :-) the make appears to have worked. > $ make test boom: t/compile.......Can't locate IO/All.pm in @INC ... much snipped. and when i try to back up and: # perl -MCPAN -e 'install IO::all' i get: .... t/synopsis1..........ok t/synopsis2..........NOK 2# Failed test (t/synopsis2.t at line 14) # got: 't/mydir/file3 - file3 is whee # ' # expected: 't/mydir/file1 - file1 is fun # ' t/synopsis2..........NOK 4# Failed test (t/synopsis2.t at line 14) # got: 't/mydir/file1 - file1 is fun # ' # expected: 't/mydir/file3 - file3 is whee # ' t/synopsis2..........ok 10/10# Looks like you failed 2 tests of 10. t/synopsis2..........dubious Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) DIED. FAILED tests 2, 4 Failed 2/10 tests, 80.00% okay t/synopsis3..........skipped all skipped: requires IO::String t/synopsis5..........ok t/tie................ok t/tie_file...........ok Failed Test Stat Wstat Total Fail Failed List of Failed ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- t/synopsis2.t 2 512 10 2 20.00% 2 4 3 tests and 2 subtests skipped. Failed 1/40 test scripts, 97.50% okay. 2/258 subtests failed, 99.22% okay. make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 255 /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK Running make install make test had returned bad status, won't install without force i'm starting to have second thoughts about this whole Kwiki thing, but i'd still like to resolve this. argh. rday From da at coder.com Wed Dec 8 16:56:59 2004 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Wed Dec 8 17:04:31 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] anyone here installed Kwiki on fedora core 3? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: IO::All required a force install on Debian stable and testing as well; it bailed at a different test, but it seems likely that their tests are somewhat brittle.. Might be worth a bug report. the rt system at: http://rt.cpan.org/NoAuth/Bugs.html?Dist=IO-All ...seems to list a somewhat similar-sounding bug, and explanation: http://rt.cpan.org/NoAuth/Bug.html?id=7448 You can get more into the diagnosing with perl -d t/synopsis2 (or whatever test was causing problems)... When I ran tests manually, only one failed, and it seemed likely it was a test mistake, so I forced it. :) -Daniel On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > On Wed, 8 Dec 2004 Greg.Fenton@ianywhere.com wrote: > > > Try: > > > > > > $ perl -MCPAN -e shell > > cpan> look Kwiki > > got it, Kwiki-0.33, removed previous build directory > > > $ make > > i'm assuming you just forgot about "perl Makefile.PL" :-) the make > appears to have worked. > > > $ make test > > boom: > > t/compile.......Can't locate IO/All.pm in @INC ... much snipped. > > and when i try to back up and: > > # perl -MCPAN -e 'install IO::all' > > i get: > > > .... > t/synopsis1..........ok > t/synopsis2..........NOK 2# Failed test (t/synopsis2.t at line 14) > # got: 't/mydir/file3 - file3 is whee > # ' > # expected: 't/mydir/file1 - file1 is fun > # ' > t/synopsis2..........NOK 4# Failed test (t/synopsis2.t at line 14) > # got: 't/mydir/file1 - file1 is fun > # ' > # expected: 't/mydir/file3 - file3 is whee > # ' > t/synopsis2..........ok 10/10# Looks like you failed 2 tests of 10. > t/synopsis2..........dubious > Test returned status 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) > DIED. FAILED tests 2, 4 > Failed 2/10 tests, 80.00% okay > t/synopsis3..........skipped > all skipped: requires IO::String > t/synopsis5..........ok > t/tie................ok > t/tie_file...........ok > Failed Test Stat Wstat Total Fail Failed List of Failed > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > t/synopsis2.t 2 512 10 2 20.00% 2 4 > 3 tests and 2 subtests skipped. > Failed 1/40 test scripts, 97.50% okay. 2/258 subtests failed, 99.22% > okay. > make: *** [test_dynamic] Error 255 > /usr/bin/make test -- NOT OK > Running make install > make test had returned bad status, won't install without force > > > i'm starting to have second thoughts about this whole Kwiki thing, > but i'd still like to resolve this. argh. > > rday > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From arakune at thinkers.org Wed Dec 8 22:36:32 2004 From: arakune at thinkers.org (Steph Smith) Date: Wed Dec 8 22:36:34 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] SlimServer and Storable.pm Message-ID: <20041209043631.GB820@cadence.thinkers.org> Perl newbie with a question :) Not even my own code (ha!), but trying to get someone else's working. I'm trying to run SlimServer (http://www.slimdevices.com) on a gentoo box (if it matters ;), and have been having a devil of a time with it. Logging suggests that the problem is with Storable.pm, but having a fresh install of the latest stable from CPAN, and finding no mention anywhere online of Storable.pm being buggy, I'm not entirely convinced its as simple as that. Then again, what do I know? =P SlimServer itself is being run from Perl source. Nothing to "install" per se, just unpack, and call the script. This is the error: Corrupted storable file (binary v2.6) at blib/lib/Storable.pm (autosplit into blib/lib/auto/Storable/_retrieve.al) line 328, at (eval 20) line 65 Perl is 5.8.5 Storable.pm is 2.13 (2.0.7 generated the same error) SlimServer is 5.4 (5.1.1 generates the same error, for what that's worth) I've posted to the Slim discussion list, but haven't gotten a reply yet. Impatient, I ;) So just wondering if anyone on the list had any experience with SlimServer, or could intuit something meaningful out of this. Thanks! Steph -- Love is being stupid together. -- Paul Valery From elbie at trig.net Thu Dec 9 11:19:05 2004 From: elbie at trig.net (Christopher Calzonetti) Date: Thu Dec 9 11:22:34 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Oops, date on homepage not updated Message-ID: <20041209171905.GA35763@trig.net> Someone just pointed out to me that the date for the social on the home page of kw.pm.org still said the 16th. I hastily changed it, but just in case there are still some of you out there that were wondering when and where and how and such. Chris -- Christopher Calzonetti, Technical Lead, Trig.Net Web: http://www.trig.net/ Mail: mailto:chris@trig.net From daniel at coder.com Thu Dec 9 11:38:32 2004 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Thu Dec 9 11:46:07 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Oops, date on homepage not updated In-Reply-To: <20041209171905.GA35763@trig.net> Message-ID: D'oh D'oh D'oh D'oh Sorry 'bout that; thanks for the fix! See you tonight- -Daniel On Thu, 9 Dec 2004, Christopher Calzonetti wrote: > Someone just pointed out to me that the date for the social on the home > page of kw.pm.org still said the 16th. I hastily changed it, but just in > case there are still some of you out there that were wondering when and > where and how and such. > > Chris > -- > Christopher Calzonetti, Technical Lead, Trig.Net > Web: http://www.trig.net/ Mail: mailto:chris@trig.net > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From daniel at coder.com Thu Dec 9 13:33:12 2004 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Thu Dec 9 13:40:47 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] SlimServer and Storable.pm Message-ID: Holy mother of perl, that's a slick program. I just installed it (against my better judgement; got lots of other stuff to do before the meeting tonight!) It seems to work out-of-the-box on debian / perl 5.6.4 / Storable 2.12. I grepped through the code for references to Storable, and it seems that if Storable isn't installed, it should still work. I got that from: Slim/Music/Info.pm So, you could try renaming or removing Storable and see if you get further. Or, edit Slim/Music/Info.pm and replace the line: if (defined @Storable::EXPORT) with something like: if (0) Hope that helps. I think you'll like SlimServer once you get it running <:-P -Daniel -- http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com On Wed, 8 Dec 2004, Steph Smith wrote: > Perl newbie with a question :) > > Not even my own code (ha!), but trying to get someone else's working. > > I'm trying to run SlimServer (http://www.slimdevices.com) on a > gentoo box (if it matters ;), and have been having a devil of a time > with it. Logging suggests that the problem is with Storable.pm, but > having a fresh install of the latest stable from CPAN, and finding no > mention anywhere online of Storable.pm being buggy, I'm not entirely > convinced its as simple as that. > > Then again, what do I know? =P > > SlimServer itself is being run from Perl source. Nothing to "install" > per se, just unpack, and call the script. > > This is the error: > > Corrupted storable file (binary v2.6) at blib/lib/Storable.pm (autosplit > into blib/lib/auto/Storable/_retrieve.al) line 328, at (eval 20) line 65 > > Perl is 5.8.5 > Storable.pm is 2.13 (2.0.7 generated the same error) > SlimServer is 5.4 (5.1.1 generates the same error, for what that's worth) > > I've posted to the Slim discussion list, but haven't gotten a reply yet. > Impatient, I ;) So just wondering if anyone on the list had any > experience with SlimServer, or could intuit something meaningful out of > this. > > Thanks! > > Steph > > > -- > Love is being stupid together. > -- Paul Valery > > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From daniel at coder.com Tue Dec 14 00:29:23 2004 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Tue Dec 14 00:29:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] *sigh* Message-ID: The good news: kw-pm's server has moved "in house" and I'll be able to keep a better eye on it. It's also possibly a bit faster to connect to for a lot of you; the network provider (IGR) has a really nice peering agreement with toronto-area networks to transfer traffic with less lag. The bad news: I was dumb and forgot to tell pm.org to change our DNS, so the standard website location is borked until they get it fixed. In the meantime, you can find our site at http://kwpm.coder.com . Since I can't deal with the embarrassment, I'm leaving town for a week, but enough people [*] have access to the server to hopefully hold down the fort in my absence. :) [*] elbie and fishbot. W00t! Cheers, -Daniel -- http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Dec 14 07:42:30 2004 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue Dec 14 07:42:58 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] how to satisfy an rpm dependency of the form "perl(XX:YY)" Message-ID: (similar to something i just posted to the red hat rpm list.) i'm still fighting with trying to install the latest Kwiki RPM on my FC3 system, and i'm still a bit confused about what it takes to satisfy a perl rpm dependency. from before, the kwiki install claimed to have a dependency of (and i quote), "perl(IPC::Run)". since i interpreted that as a perl module dependency, i CPANed it down and tried the install. failed, still claiming that that dependency was missing. based on advice i was given, i located the actual perl-IPC::Run rpm, installed it via rpm, and *then* at least that part of the install worked. but this is confusing, as i'm not sure how to interpret a dependency of the form "perl(XX:YY)". if it just needs the module, why can't i fix that with CPAN? do i really have to satisfy those dependencies with an rpm install? i'm trying the kwiki install again today, and the perl-Kwiki rpm i downloaded from http://dag.wieers.com/home-made/apt/packages.php claims to have the following dependencies: /usr/bin/perl perl(Kwiki) perl(Kwiki::Base) perl(Kwiki::CSS) perl(Kwiki::ContentObject) perl(Kwiki::Plugin) perl(Kwiki::Theme) perl(Spoon) >= 0.18 perl(Spoon::Base) perl(Spoon::CGI) perl(Spoon::Config) perl(Spoon::ContentObject) perl(Spoon::Cookie) perl(Spoon::Formatter) perl(Spoon::Hub) perl(Spoon::Installer) perl(Spoon::MetadataObject) perl(Spoon::Plugin) perl(Spoon::Registry) perl(Spoon::Template) perl(Spoon::Template::TT2) perl(base) perl(lib) perl(mixin) perl(strict) perl(warnings) rpmlib(CompressedFileNames) <= 3.0.4-1 rpmlib(PayloadFilesHavePrefix) <= 4.0-1 so, apparently, i need the Spoon module. and there is a perl-Spoon rpm file at the same URL listed above. should i just assume that i can't use CPAN anymore with dependencies like this and that i have to find the corresponding rpm file? that seems awfully limiting. rday From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Dec 14 09:54:49 2004 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue Dec 14 09:55:19 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] getting cpan2rpm to build rpms as non-root user Message-ID: apparently, the easiest way to get some essential perl modules on my FC3 system is to grab them via "cpan2rpm". it seemed easy enough, but there's a weird glitch that i don't understand. i've got an rpm build environment set up (through ~/.rpmmacros) that does all my rpm builds in my non-root user account. only after the final rpm file is built do i pop into root to install it. and the build directory structure is under: ~/build/rpms (remember this) so, after i install cpan2rpm, i try: $ cpan2rpm IO::String and get: ===== cpan2rpm IO::String -- cpan2rpm - Ver: 2.026 -- Signatures not set up Upgrade check RPM user environment - Your account does not have permissions to the requisite RPM directory structure. Try 'cpan2rpm --mk-rpm-dirs=~/rpm' to setup your environment for non-root package building. Failing dirs: /home/rpjday/build/rpms/SRPMS -- Done -- ===== now, that's all right -- it tells me that at least it understands where i want the building done (~/build/rpms/), and that i just forgot to create the initial .../SRPMS directory. why it can't create it automatically is a bit of a mystery, but ok, i'll use "mkdir", and try again: $ cpan2rpm IO::String and get: ===== $ cpan2rpm IO::String -- cpan2rpm - Ver: 2.026 -- Signatures not set up Upgrade check CPAN+ not found - using old interface -- module: IO::String -- CPAN: Storable loaded ok mkdir /root/.cpan: Permission denied at /usr/lib/perl5/5.8.5/CPAN.pm line 2342 -- Done -- ===== why, if i'm building as a non-root user and cpan2rpm already confirmed that it understands where my build location is, is anything trying to get at root's home directory? surely, i should be entitled to do the entire download and build as a regular user if i've configured it that way. thoughts? rday From john at perlwolf.com Tue Dec 14 12:08:12 2004 From: john at perlwolf.com (John Macdonald) Date: Tue Dec 14 10:14:40 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] how to satisfy an rpm dependency of the form "perl(XX:YY)" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20041214180812.GA3000@lupus.perlwolf.com> On Tue, Dec 14, 2004 at 08:42:30AM -0500, Robert P. J. Day wrote: > > (similar to something i just posted to the red hat rpm list.) > > i'm still fighting with trying to install the latest Kwiki RPM on my > FC3 system, and i'm still a bit confused about what it takes to > satisfy a perl rpm dependency. > > from before, the kwiki install claimed to have a dependency of (and > i quote), "perl(IPC::Run)". since i interpreted that as a perl module > dependency, i CPANed it down and tried the install. failed, still > claiming that that dependency was missing. > > based on advice i was given, i located the actual perl-IPC::Run rpm, > installed it via rpm, and *then* at least that part of the install > worked. > > but this is confusing, as i'm not sure how to interpret a dependency > of the form "perl(XX:YY)". if it just needs the module, why can't i > fix that with CPAN? do i really have to satisfy those dependencies > with an rpm install? As I understand it, rpm keeps a database of what has been installed (and also the unistall instructions and the rpm package). That db of installed stuff is only managed and understood by rpm itself - it gets updated when you add or remove a package. But when you install using CPAN, rpm has no knowledge of what you've done and thinks the old version is still installed. While it would be nice if rpm went out and checked the version number of the actual installed software, to do that it would have to know how to get that version info for every type of installable item (Perl modules, binary programs, documentation, ...). That would be an error-prone and never ending task for the rpm programmers. Instead they make each project work out how to determine and encode the version info of its own files and put it into the tpm control data in a standard format that rpm can understand for all installables. So, your approach of cpan2rpm is probably the right direction, as long as it actuall works. Alternatively, you could join the Fedora community and find out how they build their cpan rpms, and volunteer to help update them with newer ones. -- From rpjday at mindspring.com Tue Dec 14 12:50:18 2004 From: rpjday at mindspring.com (Robert P. J. Day) Date: Tue Dec 14 12:50:47 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] how to satisfy an rpm dependency of the form "perl(XX:YY)" In-Reply-To: <20041214180812.GA3000@lupus.perlwolf.com> References: <20041214180812.GA3000@lupus.perlwolf.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, John Macdonald wrote: > As I understand it, rpm keeps a database of what has been installed > (and also the unistall instructions and the rpm package). That db > of installed stuff is only managed and understood by rpm itself - it > gets updated when you add or remove a package. But when you install > using CPAN, rpm has no knowledge of what you've done and thinks the > old version is still installed. While it would be nice if rpm went > out and checked the version number of the actual installed software, > to do that it would have to know how to get that version info for > every type of installable item (Perl modules, binary programs, > documentation, ...). That would be an error-prone and never ending > task for the rpm programmers. Instead they make each project work > out how to determine and encode the version info of its own files > and put it into the tpm control data in a standard format that rpm > can understand for all installables. > > So, your approach of cpan2rpm is probably the right direction, as > long as it actuall works. Alternatively, you could join the Fedora > community and find out how they build their cpan rpms, and volunteer > to help update them with newer ones. at this point, i just emailed the packager (dag wieers), and described the problems in try to do "yum install perl-Kwiki" on my fedora core 3 system. others i've talked to seem to agree it's not a yum, rpm, perl or cpan2rpm problem -- it's a packaging problem. rday p.s. if you have a fedora core 3 system, feel free to add dag's repo to your yum configuration (dag.wieers.com), then try: # yum install perl-Kwiki things go south in a big way pretty quickly.