From bogus@does.not.exist.com Mon Aug 2 21:31:26 2004 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: No subject Message-ID: > We've gotten another *ping* from Toronto, asking if we want to do a talk > swap. Perhaps some time this summer, we can invite one of their speakers > here. They are still working out an entire list of the talks they've > given, but to whet your appitite, last month somebody had: Regards, Andrew From eric at uc.org Fri Aug 6 15:11:36 2004 From: eric at uc.org (Eric - fishbot) Date: Fri Aug 6 15:12:20 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Onions, upcomings Message-ID: So, I know that Larry Wall presented State of the Onion 8 at OSCON last week... but I've yet to even see someone online discussing it, nevermind a transcript. Anyone heard anything? I know that the Onion talks tend to be light on announcements and long on jokes... so perhaps I should assume that it was maximally entertaining and minimally informative? I wasn't able to attend the July kw.pm meeting because of a death in the family, and it looks like I won't be able to attend the August meeting either. Would anyone consider the possibility of just getting together for beer and discussion some Monday or Tuesday at a place like the Huether or Morty's? Summer is a nice time for informal patio discussion anyway... perhaps a planning session with beer? Eric From daniel at coder.com Sat Aug 7 13:24:01 2004 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Sat Aug 7 13:25:33 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Onions, upcomings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Eric - fishbot wrote: > So, I know that Larry Wall presented State of the Onion 8 at > OSCON last week... but I've yet to even see someone online > discussing it, nevermind a transcript. Anyone heard anything? I > know that the Onion talks tend to be light on announcements and > long on jokes... so perhaps I should assume that it was maximally > entertaining and minimally informative? You're right, nobody has blogged about it, and there's been no post on perl.com. My guess is that it didn't happen? Hm. > I wasn't able to attend the July kw.pm meeting because of a death > in the family, So sorry to hear about that :-( > and it looks like I won't be able to attend the > August meeting either. Would anyone consider the possibility of > just getting together for beer and discussion some Monday or > Tuesday at a place like the Huether or Morty's? Summer is a nice > time for informal patio discussion anyway... perhaps a planning > session with beer? Right, so I've been off-the-ball and didn't announce the August meeting, which would be in less than two weeks, and I suspect that summer blahs would lead to another head-count like last month's with four people. (five if you count Arguile, who tried to show up but missed us by 10 minutes when we decamped for food and drinks! Sorry Arguile!) I like your idea of a social meeting- how about monday the 16th or tuesday the 17th at the Huether's? Which day works better for y'all? -Daniel -- http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com > Eric From da at coder.com Sun Aug 8 13:41:49 2004 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Sun Aug 8 13:43:28 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] new o'reilly book Message-ID: Oreilly has sent us Practical mod_perl, which is about as thick as the perl cookbook, and apparently just as useful. I've used it twice or three times in the last week. Please let me know if you'd like to check it out of our lending library, which now has 13 books. Yay, O'Reilly! The list can be found at: http://kw.pm.org/wiki/index.cgi?LendingLibrary -Daniel -- http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com From rdice at pobox.com Sun Aug 8 13:57:01 2004 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Sun Aug 8 13:58:40 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] new o'reilly book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4116777D.9060509@pobox.com> Stas Bekman, the author, is a friend of mine and a really good guy. He's been hardcore committed to mod_perl since 97 (if I recall correctly, maybe 98) and has made it his mission to document the living hell out of it as well as improve it from a core technology point of view. [ If you ever get into a debugging or config problem and ask him for help, the first thing he'll have you do is ltrace and strace the program. ;-) ] I remember he was writing this book as far back as 1999, but he got a bit sidetracked by a crazy dot.com style job in Paris at the time. (O'Reilly has been really good with all the deadline extensions they've given him.) This is the dead tree version of what's online at http://perl.apache.org/guide/. Let me know how it is! Cheers, Richard Daniel R. Allen wrote: > Oreilly has sent us Practical mod_perl, which is about as thick as the > perl cookbook, and apparently just as useful. I've used it twice or three > times in the last week. > > Please let me know if you'd like to check it out of our lending library, > which now has 13 books. Yay, O'Reilly! > > The list can be found at: > http://kw.pm.org/wiki/index.cgi?LendingLibrary From da at coder.com Mon Aug 9 11:11:29 2004 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 9 11:13:16 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] new o'reilly book In-Reply-To: <4116777D.9060509@pobox.com> Message-ID: Ah yes- the mod_perl guide has been my main source of mod_perl information for a long time. Looking at the book, I'd consider the dead-tree version superior. And that's my mini-micro-review. :-) Thanks for the note about Stas Bekman, I didn't naturally pair up this book with the mod_perl guide online. -Daniel -- http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com On Sun, 8 Aug 2004, Richard Dice wrote: > Stas Bekman, the author, is a friend of mine and a really good guy. > He's been hardcore committed to mod_perl since 97 (if I recall > correctly, maybe 98) and has made it his mission to document the living > hell out of it as well as improve it from a core technology point of > view. [ If you ever get into a debugging or config problem and ask him > for help, the first thing he'll have you do is ltrace and strace the > program. ;-) ] I remember he was writing this book as far back as 1999, > but he got a bit sidetracked by a crazy dot.com style job in Paris at > the time. (O'Reilly has been really good with all the deadline > extensions they've given him.) This is the dead tree version of what's > online at http://perl.apache.org/guide/. Let me know how it is! > > Cheers, > Richard > > Daniel R. Allen wrote: > > Oreilly has sent us Practical mod_perl, which is about as thick as the > > perl cookbook, and apparently just as useful. I've used it twice or three > > times in the last week. > > > > Please let me know if you'd like to check it out of our lending library, > > which now has 13 books. Yay, O'Reilly! > > > > The list can be found at: > > http://kw.pm.org/wiki/index.cgi?LendingLibrary > > From martin.kokkelink at golden.net Mon Aug 9 11:22:09 2004 From: martin.kokkelink at golden.net (Martin E. Kokkelink) Date: Mon Aug 9 11:20:47 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Cygwin VS ActivePerl Message-ID: Has anyone ever compared these two methods of using Perl in Windows? I much prefer Cygwin for it's unixy environment but I find that ActivePerl has slightly better module support and might a little faster too. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin E. Kokkelink. Golden Triangle Online Inc. Systems Division. (519) 576-3334 ext. 1386 From eric at uc.org Mon Aug 9 15:48:08 2004 From: eric at uc.org (Eric - fishbot) Date: Mon Aug 9 15:48:16 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Onions, upcomings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > You're right, nobody has blogged about it, and there's been no > post on perl.com. My guess is that it didn't happen? Hm. No, it seems to have happened. The O'Reilly coverage has a photo of it, and a sentence saying it was the best ever, and then there is nothing further about it on all of the web. > I like your idea of a social meeting- how about monday the 16th > or tuesday the 17th at the Huether's? Which day works better > for y'all? Monday is better for me, but since I've never actually been to a meeting, I think that I should be considered a non-voting member. Either day, though, I will attend. Eric From da at coder.com Sun Aug 15 01:07:30 2004 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Sun Aug 15 01:09:56 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Idea: Meeting Thursday the 26th Message-ID: I propose that we meet Thursday the 26th of August (rather than in two days) at the U of W. I hope this day works for you- it's a juggle of factors, plus guesswork. If that day of the week is generally bad for you, please let me know via email so we can try to rejigger the schedule for future meetings. Lloyd pointed out in an email to me that we should try to plan our meetings regularly, further in advance, so as to be less confusing. So, why a meeting, and not a social, this month? I suggest we spend a bit of time talking about the more memorable (and useful) parts of YAPC; because I did learn about some interesting modules and projects- a couple which I've used in my day job since then. I'd like to do this soon, rather than in a month, before the details of the conference get too hazy. I expect the other folks in our group who were at the conference might feel similarly. The topic would be OK to do over beer, but I think it would be easier with a projector to show off modules and such. To whet your appitite, I submit for your amusement, the module, IO::All, which I learned about in Damian Conway's talk. http://search.cpan.org/~ingy/IO-All-0.15/lib/IO/All.pm use IO::All; my $stuff < io('./mystuff'); # read contents of ./mystuff into $stuff $stuff >> io('./morestuff'); ...basically it reduces many perl IO operations to one line, and much more. I also propose that we find a second small topic for the meeting, such as, say, "fast search engines with a good Perl API". In fact, I've learned about one, that I'm willing to talk about. I'd be thrilled if other people have ideas for small talks, either ones you'd like to see, or ones you'd like to give. Don't be shy. You can post them to this list for discussion, or to the wiki (http://kw.pm.org/wiki/?MeetingTopics) if you'd prefer anonymity. Oh, and on the topic of planning for future meetings, watch this space for an announcement... -Daniel -- http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com From akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com Thu Aug 19 14:57:07 2004 From: akohlsmith-pm at benshaw.com (Andrew Kohlsmith) Date: Thu Aug 19 14:58:33 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] "beer money" perl/shell scripting position Message-ID: <200408191557.07152.akohlsmith-pm@benshaw.com> The contract support I've been doing for the past few years is going nicely but I am finding myself more and more time constrained; I would like to focus on the higher level stuff (keeping the ideas going, keeping the customers happy) and find someone who is able to code and meet the following requirements: - able programmer in Perl and BASH scripting (maybe Python) - experience with web forms and basic CGI - maybe has some experience in XMLRPC/SOAP and DB - does not need to be babysat - works relatively quickly I have a number of (very) small projects which I need done up. Certainly not enough to be even classified as part-time work, which is why I called it "beer money" -- just extra cash for someone with more time and skills than I have. Examples of the kinds of things I need done up: - Squid user/pass web based management interface - Much smarter SquidGuard webmin module - Squirrelmail feature enhancements (ok this is PHP but still) - IPTables firewall configuration/logger management interface - Webmin modules for similar things mentioned above The rules are simple: - Create, augment or replace existing FOSS projects, so long as you abide by the author's wishes regarding code reuse and contribution - Be available via email, IRC or IM (Jabber preferred) and maybe the odd phone call - Resultant scripts, apps or whatever are GPL and otherwise unencumbered - Resultant code is neat, clean and reasonably documented Payment terms are flexible but will generally be based on task completion (or milestones for large projects) and not hourly rate. I've been burned in the past on straight hourly rate and won't do it again. If you know your stuff you will have a good idea of how long a project will take based on the requirements spelled out in the contract. Besides, as our business relationship grows you will have a growing base of code that you will be able to reuse and again, if you're good your perceived hourly rate will only go up. :-) Payment can be made via paypal, money order, mailed cheque or cash if you're close. I'm easy. I am going to stress that payment is upon my acceptance of the completed work. If I'm not happy with it ("happy" meaning it satisfies the goals set out in the project contract), I ain't paying for it. Don't give me something that shines my shoes and cleans the cat's litter box but doesn't meet the requirements of the contract. (Mind you, a script that shines my shoes and cleans my cat's litter box would be very impressive!) Example project: the Squid user/pass web-based management system. I perceive a generic user/pass/group manager. Create from scratch or grab any FOSS project that already has something similar and make it do the following: - Read and write a plain text file which contains the username, cleartext password, enable status, group membership, date created, date modified and plain-text note field. One user per line, one group per line, very similar to /etc/passwd and /etc/group. - Login screen just has a user/pass login and a banner that says "Proxy Authentication Manager" with the software version. - If you're not part of the managers group, logging in brings you to a screen where only a new password and new password verification field is given, laong with apply and cancel buttons. - If you're a manager you get two lists: users and groups -- ideally I'd like this to be in two "panes", using JS or CSS to make the panes visible with a mouse click on the appropriate tab (see http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses/ee476/FinalProjects/s2004/sms95/keypaw/index.html for an example of the display tech I'm looking for, not specifically the artsy-side of it) (BTW I consider that URL an AMAZING example of clean HTML, CSS and JS -- that is the kind of code I'm looking for! On some projects I would be willing to pay a premium to get that kind of visual quality as well, but it depends on the client and specific job involved.) - Each user and group has a radio button where you can select whether to enable or disable the account (or group), checkbox to delete the account or group and a button to edit the specific account (real name, password and group membership). Each group also has buttons "toggle enable" and "toggle delete" for all users in this group which do what the names imply. These button do not affect the status of users not in the group. - At the bottom of the users and bottom of the groups list there would be "cancel changes" and "apply changes" buttons. The apply changes button writes the new configuration file, creates a new squid passwd file and then the script restarts. The cancel button just restarts the script. - Basic niceties like file locking to make simultaneous use safe, HTTP headers which prevent caching, logging of logins and actions and clean, basic UI are a must. That's it. I don't require fancy graphics, flash or anything like that. I do require the code to be clean and maintainable. By that I mean: - #!/usr/local/perl -wT - use strict; # is a must. - "smart" use of existing modules -- Foo::WallyWorld may be undeniably cool but if a simple regex does the job and doesn't require that I install X11, GTK+ and libvorbis, I would prefer to use the regex. - No, I am not short on hard drive space; I don't want the script on one line. - No, I am not a Perl genius, nor do I possess any kind of ESP; I want basic function summaries (one or two lines is fine, explain what input is going in and what is coming out) - Copyright block at the top of the file with basic summary of what the script does and revision history. - I require that the script look to a set of variables at the top of the file for the locations of the database file, squid passwd file, logfile and so on. No hardcoded paths in the script proper. For something like that I'd probably set the price at $150 or so. Haggling is allowed. If you utilize something you've already done or someone else's project and can make it in 30 minutes, you just got paid $300/hr. In an hour? Well that's $150/hr, still great. If it takes you 6 hours to get working... well that's not my problem, now is it? :-) You should have either negotiated a higher price or not accepted it. Anyway that's a basic idea of what I'm trying to achieve and I'm looking for someone who can work with that. Anyone interested feel free to contact me. Feel free to pass this along to anyone you know who might be interested or who might know people who might be interested. Regards, Andrew email: akohlsmith@mixdown.ca jabber: akohlsmith@jabber.benshaw.com msn: akmixdown@hotmail.com phone: contact me via one of the mechanisms above first, please. :-) From daniel at coder.com Wed Aug 25 14:29:13 2004 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Wed Aug 25 14:32:57 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Reminder: Meeting tomorrow evening Message-ID: The August Perl Mongers Meeting will be tomorrow evening, at the U of Waterloo, Davis Centre room 2305; 7-8:30ish or 9. Topic: At long last, our YAPC talkback, on the more memorable and useful parts of the conference. And I will present on swish-e, a fast search engine with a good Perl API. We could go for drinks/food after the meeting, depending on numbers and timing. Hope to see you there! -- http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com From rdice at pobox.com Sun Aug 29 15:35:29 2004 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Sun Aug 29 15:38:01 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Toronto.pm's YAPC::NA 2005 conference bid Message-ID: <41323E11.6000608@pobox.com> Hello everyone... I'm Richard, and I'm currently a very busy guy working on the bid to bring YAPC::NA 2005 -- http://yapc.org/ -- to Toronto, as a production of the Toronto Perl Mongers with the support of other local Monger groups. The 2005 bid is a near-copy of the 2004 bid (with a few special extras that can be announced when the bid goes out -- it's good stuff :-) ), which includes a Conference Team page. Last year a few KW-PMers volunteered to put themselves on this list, and I've come around again to ask if there might be some who could help out with this again. The Conference Team page is meant to give The Perl Foundation (the body that grants the YAPC conference) an idea of the amount of local support the conference is going to receive, as YAPC is an all-volunteer effort. By signing up for this list you don't automatically commit yourself to an infinite amount of work. Work is apportioned on an ah-hoc task by task basis. (I.e if you can't/don't want to do something, just keep your head down.) Some work items can appear in the months leading up to YAPC, which will be held next June. Helpers are also very handy to have for the conference itself, which is 3 days long, either a Mon-Wed or Wed-Fri some time in the last 1/2 of June 2005. Here's what I have right now: http://to.pm.org/BidSite2005/ConferenceTeam.html For anyone who would like to get in touch with me about this to have themselves added to the list please get in touch with me with a text blurb description of yourself. If you are there as an artifact of copying the 2004 bid and don't want to be anymore, let me know and I'll remove you. If you're there and want a text blurb added for yourself, let me know and I can do this too. The bid has to be handed in on Tuesday so I would need to hear from you no later than Tuesday morning with your info. Thanks & cheers, - Richard From rebecca_anstett at hotmail.com Sun Aug 29 17:19:29 2004 From: rebecca_anstett at hotmail.com (Rebecca Anstett) Date: Sun Aug 29 17:19:31 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Looking for programmers Message-ID: Hello, I know of a company who is looking to hire 1 or more perl programmers FT - mod perl being the key requirement, with proficiency in xml, javascript, css. If anyone is interested in work or currently out of a job, please send me your resume :0) Thanks! Rebecca From rdice at pobox.com Mon Aug 30 07:52:41 2004 From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice) Date: Mon Aug 30 07:55:14 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] TPM's 4th Annual Lightning Talks - Thu. 30 September 2004, 6:45pm Message-ID: <41332319.6020507@pobox.com> Hi everyone... I just wanted to write again to invite you to the Toronto Perl Mongers' 4th Annual Lightning Talks evening, Thursday 30 September 2004 @ 6:45pm. The location is 2 Bloor Street West, which is immediately at the NW corner of Yonge & Bloor in downtown Toronto. The floor and room # will be announced closer to the date. (It switches between the 8th and 16th floor depending on the meeting.) When you arrive you can check in with security in the lobby to get the cell phone # of someone who can come down and fetch you, as the building "locks" its elevators to those with passcards at 5:30pm. We have about 5 talks pledged right now, and we're aiming for 10+. If you would like to contribute a lightning talk then please get in touch with Glenn Simpson, our Master of Ceremonies for the evening. (He's copied above, so you have his email address.) A lightning talk can last for 5 - 15 minutes, and can be on any subject matter that you like (as long as it has at some relationship to Perl). Cheers, Richard From daniel at coder.com Mon Aug 30 12:31:27 2004 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 30 12:35:51 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Toronto.pm's YAPC::NA 2005 conference bid In-Reply-To: <41323E11.6000608@pobox.com> Message-ID: I'd like to add that this will be an opportunity to be part of a really great conference. I'm impressed with the to-pm's bid; and think that if we win for 2005, it will be a kick-butt conference with lots of perl luminaries practically in our back yard. :-) Thanks for the update, Richard, and for all your work! -Daniel -- http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com On Sun, 29 Aug 2004, Richard Dice wrote: > Hello everyone... > > I'm Richard, and I'm currently a very busy guy working on the bid to > bring YAPC::NA 2005 -- http://yapc.org/ -- to Toronto, as a production > of the Toronto Perl Mongers with the support of other local Monger groups. > > The 2005 bid is a near-copy of the 2004 bid (with a few special extras > that can be announced when the bid goes out -- it's good stuff :-) ), > which includes a Conference Team page. Last year a few KW-PMers > volunteered to put themselves on this list, and I've come around again > to ask if there might be some who could help out with this again. The > Conference Team page is meant to give The Perl Foundation (the body that > grants the YAPC conference) an idea of the amount of local support the > conference is going to receive, as YAPC is an all-volunteer effort. By > signing up for this list you don't automatically commit yourself to an > infinite amount of work. Work is apportioned on an ah-hoc task by task > basis. (I.e if you can't/don't want to do something, just keep your > head down.) Some work items can appear in the months leading up to > YAPC, which will be held next June. Helpers are also very handy to have > for the conference itself, which is 3 days long, either a Mon-Wed or > Wed-Fri some time in the last 1/2 of June 2005. > > Here's what I have right now: > > http://to.pm.org/BidSite2005/ConferenceTeam.html > > For anyone who would like to get in touch with me about this to have > themselves added to the list please get in touch with me with a text > blurb description of yourself. If you are there as an artifact of > copying the 2004 bid and don't want to be anymore, let me know and I'll > remove you. If you're there and want a text blurb added for yourself, > let me know and I can do this too. The bid has to be handed in on > Tuesday so I would need to hear from you no later than Tuesday morning > with your info. > > Thanks & cheers, > - Richard > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From daniel at coder.com Mon Aug 30 13:44:47 2004 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 30 13:49:06 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] August Meeting wrapup In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We had a nice but small meeting last Wednesday. The discussion included: Future topics (theoretical and practical); using subroutine prototypes; a crash-course in unicode and why it is cool; cron jobs to update our website; hiring Gnomes; possible reasons why we have 10x as many people on the mailing list as attend meetings, and how to improve that ratio; and a discussion of YAPC::NA::2004 where I tried my best to describe Damian Conway's latest talk, "Sufficiently Advanced Technologies". We have topics lined up for September and October; and looking for topics/presenters for November. Thursday, September 16, 2004 Lloyd will present "A Puzzle... solved with Perl and Regular Expressions". Daniel will talk about Regexp::Common, a module for easy regular expressions. Arguile will talk about making graphs using the GraphViz module. Thursday, October 21, 2004 We will have a talk on the status of Perl 6; and we will have a talk on Parrot, the virtual machine that will run perl 5, 6, python, java, and other bytecode. From quantum_mechanic_1964 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 31 12:31:34 2004 From: quantum_mechanic_1964 at yahoo.com (Quantum Mechanic) Date: Tue Aug 31 12:29:46 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] August Meeting wrapup In-Reply-To: <200408311700.i7VH06pQ027971@www.pm.org> Message-ID: <20040831173134.70018.qmail@web14025.mail.yahoo.com> --- "Daniel R. Allen" wrote: > We had a nice but small meeting last Wednesday. The > discussion included: [...] > ... possible reasons why we have > 10x as many people on > the mailing list as attend meetings, and how to > improve that ratio; Which way do you want it "improved"? :) I'm on the list under 2 addresses. I prefer to read on one, but post from the other. I'm also on the list hoping to catch news of events I may want to attend, even though your meetings are a bit far away for "regular" visits :( I like to listen in on the technical discussions that Perlers generally have, so I'm also on Buffalo's list, for instance. -QM ===== ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quantum Mechanics: The dreams stuff is made of __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo From daniel at coder.com Tue Aug 31 20:50:28 2004 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Tue Aug 31 20:55:01 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] August Meeting wrapup In-Reply-To: <20040831173134.70018.qmail@web14025.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 31 Aug 2004, Quantum Mechanic wrote: > --- "Daniel R. Allen" wrote: > > 10x as many people on > > the mailing list as attend meetings, and how to > > improve that ratio; > > Which way do you want it "improved"? :) Heh. I stand guilty of premature optimization. How about: getting more people involved and showing up in person. :-) We decided what we need is a sponsor with free beer and pizza. Well, that would help, wouldn't it? > I'm also on the list hoping to catch news of events I > may want to attend, even though your meetings are a > bit far away for "regular" visits :( Yep, I know of at least three toronto folks on the list. You're all officially off the hook. :-) > I like to listen in on the technical discussions that > Perlers generally have, so I'm also on Buffalo's list, > for instance. Yep; I listen on a few lists for places I've visited; and it's nice to be able to put faces with names, such as with local lists. That's also a great thing about YAPC... (Eric, now's your chance to chime in about meeting me three times but I still forgot I met ya. 4th time's the charm?) :-> -Daniel -- http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com > -QM > > > > ===== > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Quantum Mechanics: The dreams stuff is made of > > > > __________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From daniel at coder.com Tue Aug 31 20:54:04 2004 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Tue Aug 31 20:58:35 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] maypole Message-ID: random question- has anybody around here tried out maypole? It's one attempt to answer Java's Jakarta/Struts framework- maypole.simon-cozens.org/ It looks powerful; unfortunately, it hasn't worked properly for me on my installation (deb stable), and I haven't gotten the tuits to try again on a different distro. ...I was thinking we ought to get a sub-project going; Waterloo Maypole. Though based on the name, I think we'd get sued. :-> -Daniel -- http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com