From arguile at lucentstudios.com Wed Feb 5 00:20:08 2003 From: arguile at lucentstudios.com (Arguile) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:28 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Fwd: Rational Software "Seminar" Message-ID: <1044426009.468.50.camel@broadswd> Not sure if anyone is interested but Rational's doing a "seminar" here. If it's anything like the UML/Rational Rose presentation I went to before, it's lots of marketting hype but enough meat to be worth it. Anyways, it's open to anyone and seeing as it was right in town I figured it was worth a mention. P.S. This isn't intended as SPAM and I don't work for/with them ;). -----Forwarded Message----- From: seminars@rational.com Subject: Rational Software Seminar in Kitchener! Date: 04 Feb 2003 12:46:12 -0500 Please join Rational Software for a free, informative seminar: "Managing Change and Complexity." February 13, 2003 The Four Points by Sheraton - Kitchener 105 King Street East Kitchener, ON N2G 2K8 Check-in starts at 8:30am. The seminar begins promptly at 9:00am and will end by noon. Register now by visiting: http://www.okreg.com/rational/sq4kitmcc.html Short deadlines and constant change epitomize the challenges of software development. Routine change increases the propensity for error, and tight timelines serve to magnify issues. To control your software development you need to know why changes are made, who requested the change, and if they are complete. Rational ClearCase(R) and Rational ClearQuest (R) provide a comprehensive software configuration management solution that can manage all of your change, and automate the day-to-day activities of your team. In this seminar you'll learn how to: * Relate change requests directly to changes throughout the development lifecycle * Version every artifact in the software development lifecycle, track changes to all files and directories, and quickly develop customizable reports * Automate workflow and accelerate team development with non-stop parallel development -- even across geographically distributed teams using Rational ClearCase MultiSite(R) and Rational ClearQuest MultiSite(R) Register now by visiting: http://www.okreg.com/rational/sq4kitmcc.html Space is limited - enroll today! We are looking forward to your attendance, The team at Rational From da at coder.com Tue Feb 18 17:21:48 2003 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:28 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] /pub/social Message-ID: What say you all to a perl social at Heuther's (or somewhere else) instead of a technical meeting this Thursday? -Daniel http://kw.pm.org/ - Kitchener-Waterloo Perlmongers - da@kw.pm.org http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com From arguile at lucentstudios.com Tue Feb 18 20:55:43 2003 From: arguile at lucentstudios.com (Arguile) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:28 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] /pub/social In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1045623344.17731.13.camel@broadswd> On Tue, 2003-02-18 at 18:21, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > > What say you all to a perl social at Heuther's (or somewhere else) instead > of a technical meeting this Thursday? We could also crash the LaTeX talk on typesetting beautiful mathematics Simon Law (I'm sure someone here mentioned him) is giving at UofW before going out drinking. (It starts at 6:30pm in MC1085 for anyone interested.) From sfllaw at engmail.uwaterloo.ca Tue Feb 18 21:21:30 2003 From: sfllaw at engmail.uwaterloo.ca (Simon Law) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:28 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] /pub/social In-Reply-To: <1045623344.17731.13.camel@broadswd> References: <1045623344.17731.13.camel@broadswd> Message-ID: <20030219032130.GR27450@engmail.uwaterloo.ca> On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 09:55:43PM -0500, Arguile wrote: > On Tue, 2003-02-18 at 18:21, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > > > > What say you all to a perl social at Heuther's (or somewhere else) instead > > of a technical meeting this Thursday? > > We could also crash the LaTeX talk on typesetting beautiful mathematics > Simon Law (I'm sure someone here mentioned him) is giving at UofW before > going out drinking. > > (It starts at 6:30pm in MC1085 for anyone interested.) That sounds like a great idea! [1] Simon [1] I mean the drinking of course. From daniel at coder.com Wed Feb 19 21:28:37 2003 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:28 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] /pub/social In-Reply-To: <20030219032130.GR27450@engmail.uwaterloo.ca> Message-ID: Okey-dokey, I guess we'll meet at Barley Works, roughly where we met last time: near the bar, upstairs. I'll get there around 7pm; and I expect we'll stay until at least 9:00 or 9:30. http://www.huetherhotel.com/barleyworks/ 59 King Street North, W'loo ..Apologies to anybody who was really looking forward to a formal meeting this month. I promise it'll happen next month; and we'll plan for it a bit more in advance. Daniel http://kw.pm.org/ - Kitchener-Waterloo Perlmongers - da@kw.pm.org http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Simon Law wrote: > On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 09:55:43PM -0500, Arguile wrote: > > On Tue, 2003-02-18 at 18:21, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > > > > > > What say you all to a perl social at Heuther's (or somewhere else) instead > > > of a technical meeting this Thursday? > > > > We could also crash the LaTeX talk on typesetting beautiful mathematics > > Simon Law (I'm sure someone here mentioned him) is giving at UofW before > > going out drinking. > > > > (It starts at 6:30pm in MC1085 for anyone interested.) > > That sounds like a great idea! [1] > > Simon > > [1] I mean the drinking of course. > > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From arguile at lucentstudios.com Wed Feb 19 23:19:02 2003 From: arguile at lucentstudios.com (Arguile) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:28 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] /pub/social In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1045718343.27672.3.camel@broadswd> I can't wait to tie one on. [1] Is anyone going to be waiting at Quary in case someone planning to come didn't get notified? Arguile [1] I'm talking about hashes of course. On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 22:28, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > Okey-dokey, I guess we'll meet at Barley Works, roughly where we met last > time: near the bar, upstairs. I'll get there around 7pm; and I expect > we'll stay until at least 9:00 or 9:30. > > http://www.huetherhotel.com/barleyworks/ > 59 King Street North, W'loo > > ..Apologies to anybody who was really looking forward to a formal meeting > this month. I promise it'll happen next month; and we'll plan for it a > bit more in advance. > > Daniel [snip] From da at coder.com Thu Feb 20 09:23:55 2003 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:28 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] /pub/social In-Reply-To: <1045718343.27672.3.camel@broadswd> Message-ID: Christopher- Since you're the one who suggested the social to me in the first place (*grin*) can you stick a note on the door in csae somebody reads the website but doesn't read the list? -Daniel On 20 Feb 2003, Arguile wrote: > I can't wait to tie one on. [1] > > Is anyone going to be waiting at Quary in case someone planning to come > didn't get notified? > > Arguile > > [1] I'm talking about hashes of course. > > On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 22:28, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > > Okey-dokey, I guess we'll meet at Barley Works, roughly where we met last > > time: near the bar, upstairs. I'll get there around 7pm; and I expect > > we'll stay until at least 9:00 or 9:30. > > > > http://www.huetherhotel.com/barleyworks/ > > 59 King Street North, W'loo > > > > ..Apologies to anybody who was really looking forward to a formal meeting > > this month. I promise it'll happen next month; and we'll plan for it a > > bit more in advance. > > > > Daniel > > [snip] > > > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From elbie at trig.net Thu Feb 20 10:19:01 2003 From: elbie at trig.net (Christopher Calzonetti) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:28 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] /pub/social In-Reply-To: References: <1045718343.27672.3.camel@broadswd> Message-ID: <20030220161901.GA59364@trig.net> I can do that. Heck, someday I may even type up the minutes from our January meeting. On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 10:23:55AM -0500, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > Christopher- > > Since you're the one who suggested the social to me in the first place > (*grin*) can you stick a note on the door in csae somebody reads the > website but doesn't read the list? > > -Daniel > > On 20 Feb 2003, Arguile wrote: > > > I can't wait to tie one on. [1] > > > > Is anyone going to be waiting at Quary in case someone planning to come > > didn't get notified? > > > > Arguile > > > > [1] I'm talking about hashes of course. > > > > On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 22:28, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > > > Okey-dokey, I guess we'll meet at Barley Works, roughly where we met last > > > time: near the bar, upstairs. I'll get there around 7pm; and I expect > > > we'll stay until at least 9:00 or 9:30. > > > > > > http://www.huetherhotel.com/barleyworks/ > > > 59 King Street North, W'loo > > > > > > ..Apologies to anybody who was really looking forward to a formal meeting > > > this month. I promise it'll happen next month; and we'll plan for it a > > > bit more in advance. > > > > > > Daniel > > > > [snip] > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kw-pm mailing list > > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > > > > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm -- Christopher Calzonetti, Technical Lead, Trig.Net Web: http://www.trig.net/ Mail: mailto:chris@trig.net From arguile at lucentstudios.com Fri Feb 21 10:49:25 2003 From: arguile at lucentstudios.com (Arguile) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:28 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] GIS and MapServer Message-ID: <1045846167.7207.12.camel@broadswd> MapServer http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/ PostGIS http://postgis.refractions.net/ PostgreSQL http://www.ca.postgresql.org/ SAMPLE SITES: Earth Force - Green http://www.green.org/ This site tracks user supplied (school mainly) data on water quality and other related things. Perl is used for the MapScript interface to Mapserver. (PHP is used for the site pages though) Sample page: http://www.green.org/sites/map/index.cgi?img.x=192&img.y=88&map=greensites.map&lat=38.9050485323018&long=-87.1908181103813&maxx=-87.0730443039086&minx=-87.3867255826225&maxy=38.9906608755512&miny=38.6819714897608&zoomsize=2&project_id=&layers=&qlayer=efsites&dbname=eff1db&dbhost=localhost&zoomdir=1 From arguile at lucentstudios.com Fri Feb 21 12:24:29 2003 From: arguile at lucentstudios.com (Arguile) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:28 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] GIS and MapServer In-Reply-To: <1045846167.7207.12.camel@broadswd> References: <1045846167.7207.12.camel@broadswd> Message-ID: <1045851870.7329.15.camel@broadswd> Oops, I probably should have mentioned this is actually on-topic. Last meeting a bunch of us were discussing GIS applications. Did anyone have a url for getting Tiger (I think that's what it was called) and other such road data? On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 11:49, Arguile wrote: > MapServer > http://mapserver.gis.umn.edu/ > > PostGIS > http://postgis.refractions.net/ > > PostgreSQL > http://www.ca.postgresql.org/ From da at coder.com Wed Feb 26 09:58:46 2003 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:28 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] server move Message-ID: Hi all, Just a quick note that the web server (but not the mailing list) for kw.pm.org has moved... to a faster computer on a faster network. The downside? kw.pm.org hasn't updated yet. I've escalated my request at pm.org, to include a free beer for both the sysadmin and the Benevolant Dictator if they get it fixed by Saturday, when the old IP goes away. Speaking of beer, I wanted to say I had fun at the social last week. It's been a LONG couple of weeks and I needed that. We talked at length about GPS locations, group location, cross-continant bike trips (good luck Phil!), and how to successfully work on personal projects when your work is sort of similar. The psychological, not legal aspects. Glad to see y'all who could come. -Daniel http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com From da at coder.com Wed Feb 26 11:23:21 2003 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] meatspace locations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: A question about our meeting location for technical meetings. If you aren't particularly concerned about meatspace locations, feel free to advance to [1] below for the geek content of this post. -- Chris said last Thursday it would be nice to not have to host every meeting. Which I can understand; it's work to set up/stay-till-the-end. He suggested we rotate locations among two places, to distribute the responsibility. I want to go easy on our hosts; it's great that Chris has been point-person for this and I don't want to wear him out. A few locations were suggested, including the Working Centre, Open Text, and a University of Waterloo lecture hall. Charu said he likes the Working Centre, where the Linux Users Group meets; downtown Kitchener seems central, there is free parking at night, and it's a "neutral space" so people don't feel they're being prosletized by a company. Simon said that meeting at or close to the Universities would mean more students would show up; getting to downtown Kitchener can be a bit long by bus. I noted that rotating meetings means everyone needs to actually think before heading out the door, so fewer people might show up; and being affiliated with a company rather than non-profit can be nice because it adds a professional air. At boston.pm, we met at the boston.com building; they were really nice and gave us free food. (this was after 3 years meeting in someone's attic, then 2 years off in the suburbs). Arguile agreed with this merit, coming from vancouver.pm which meets at ActiveState. Previously, someone has said meeting at the University detracts from business people showing up because it would feel like a student group and it's tougher to find parking. If you drew a vector along the axes of physical location, ease for hosts, parking, cost, and town-gown relations, I think so far everything nearly cancels and we find ourselves very close to the origin. (help?) It was agreed that we should definitely meet at a student-friendly location once a term, before homework sets in. This makes sense. Invitations on offer: Quarry every couple of months (comes with parking, data-projector, and uptown location); Open Text (Rick Price has said he could ask; they have parking, a board-room with data-projector, a location very close to the U of W); The U of W has spaces that are generally available; or we might be able to use the lab we met in the first time once every few months; My office at my house. Small table, cozy, street parking, no projector. Puppy. -- Although having only one location would make it easier for attenders, that puts a burden on the host. And I don't want to impose every month on Rick, who hasn't even asked his boss yet. :-> I don't know if the Working Centre will offer to host us, since neither Bill or Paul are perl programmers and although I volunteer there, I don't have a key. I will ask this afternoon. In the interests of a "good enough fit", first, should we consider sharing the wealth with two locations; and second, should Rick ask his boss so we have more options to chose between? -- [1] And now for a bit of geek history, courtesy Dave Cross, the current Benevolant Dictator of the Perlmongers organization. a geek history First there was God. He was quite lonely so he created Dennis. Dennis was unimpressed with God. So, God created Brian. But, Brian got bored with God. So Brian and Dennis started playing, and they created C. God saw C, and saw that it was good. So he decided to let Brian and Dennis play some more. Then Brian and Dennis created Unix. God saw Unix, and he was jealous. So he created Bill to torment Brian and Dennis and obscure their creation (for God could not destroy Unix, for he secretly admired its perfection). So Bill created Microsoft. And Microsoft created Windows. And God saw that it was bad, but it had market share, so he was happy. Then Bill got cocky, and his ego got bigger than God's. So to knock Bill down a couple of pegs, God put into effect a wondrous plan. First God created Tim. And Tim created the World Wide Web (using Unix, of course). This was good, but not THAT good. So God created Marc. Marc created Mosaic (using Unix, of course). Mosaic created a huge feeding frenzy that has got a lot of people who are reading this their jobs. But that's a different story. Mosaic was good, and God saw it was good, so he allowed Marc to start Netscape. Back to this later. But all this time Brian and Dennis started to make something better than Unix called Plan 9. (Great legends say that God crushed Plans 1-7. There was no Plan 8 because Brian and Dennis pulled the wool over God's eyes and just jumped to Plan 9, which was too bright a move for even God to figure out.) Eventually, God figured out how to create Larry. No one knows how or why he created Larry, except perhaps to reduce productivity at the Jet Propulsion Labs at NASA. Rumors are that God created Larry because he secretly liked what Dennis and Brian had done with C, but didn't think C and Unix was enough -- this probably isn't true because God believed he had destroyed Brian and Dennis's plans by destroying Plans 1-7, and by creating Microsoft to slay their beloved Unix. Anyhow, Larry created Perl (using Unix and C, of course), and God saw it was good, so he made Randal. Larry and Randal wrote books about Perl. And everyone saw that this was good, except snobs who were too much into C, Windows, and Intel. [...] Continues at http://www.dave.org.uk/geekhist.shtml ... -Daniel http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com From dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org Wed Feb 26 16:59:12 2003 From: dcarr at sdf.lonestar.org (lloyd carr) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] meatspace locations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I don't like downtown Kitchener, just my two cents worth. Waterloo is in fact the centre of the universe. On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 12:23:21 -0500 (EST) > From: Daniel R. Allen > To: kw-pm@mail.pm.org > Subject: [kw-pm] meatspace locations > > A question about our meeting location for technical meetings. > > If you aren't particularly concerned about meatspace locations, feel free > to advance to [1] below for the geek content of this post. > > -- > > Chris said last Thursday it would be nice to not have to host every > meeting. Which I can understand; it's work to set up/stay-till-the-end. > He suggested we rotate locations among two places, to distribute the > responsibility. I want to go easy on our hosts; it's great that Chris has > been point-person for this and I don't want to wear him out. > > A few locations were suggested, including the Working Centre, Open Text, > and a University of Waterloo lecture hall. > > Charu said he likes the Working Centre, where the Linux Users Group meets; > downtown Kitchener seems central, there is free parking at night, and it's > a "neutral space" so people don't feel they're being prosletized by a > company. > > Simon said that meeting at or close to the Universities would mean more > students would show up; getting to downtown Kitchener can be a bit long by > bus. > > I noted that rotating meetings means everyone needs to actually think > before heading out the door, so fewer people might show up; and being > affiliated with a company rather than non-profit can be nice because it > adds a professional air. At boston.pm, we met at the boston.com building; > they were really nice and gave us free food. (this was after 3 years > meeting in someone's attic, then 2 years off in the suburbs). > > Arguile agreed with this merit, coming from vancouver.pm which meets at > ActiveState. > > Previously, someone has said meeting at the University detracts from > business people showing up because it would feel like a student group and > it's tougher to find parking. > > If you drew a vector along the axes of physical location, ease for hosts, > parking, cost, and town-gown relations, I think so far everything nearly > cancels and we find ourselves very close to the origin. (help?) > > It was agreed that we should definitely meet at a student-friendly > location once a term, before homework sets in. This makes sense. > > Invitations on offer: > Quarry every couple of months (comes with parking, data-projector, and > uptown location); > > Open Text (Rick Price has said he could ask; they have parking, a > board-room with data-projector, a location very close to the U of W); > > The U of W has spaces that are generally available; or we might be able > to use the lab we met in the first time once every few months; > > My office at my house. Small table, cozy, street parking, no projector. > Puppy. > > -- > > Although having only one location would make it easier for attenders, that > puts a burden on the host. And I don't want to impose every month on Rick, > who hasn't even asked his boss yet. :-> > > I don't know if the Working Centre will offer to host us, since neither > Bill or Paul are perl programmers and although I volunteer there, I don't > have a key. I will ask this afternoon. > > In the interests of a "good enough fit", first, should we consider sharing > the wealth with two locations; and second, should Rick ask his boss so we > have more options to chose between? > > -- > > [1] And now for a bit of geek history, courtesy Dave Cross, the current > Benevolant Dictator of the Perlmongers organization. > > > a geek history > > First there was God. He was quite lonely so he created Dennis. > > Dennis was unimpressed with God. > > So, God created Brian. > > But, Brian got bored with God. > > So Brian and Dennis started playing, and they created C. God saw C, and > saw that it was good. So he decided to let Brian and Dennis play some > more. > > Then Brian and Dennis created Unix. God saw Unix, and he was jealous. So > he created Bill to torment Brian and Dennis and obscure their creation > (for God could not destroy Unix, for he secretly admired its perfection). > > So Bill created Microsoft. And Microsoft created Windows. And God saw that > it was bad, but it had market share, so he was happy. Then Bill got cocky, > and his ego got bigger than God's. So to knock Bill down a couple of pegs, > God put into effect a wondrous plan. > > First God created Tim. And Tim created the World Wide Web (using Unix, of > course). This was good, but not THAT good. So God created Marc. Marc > created Mosaic (using Unix, of course). Mosaic created a huge feeding > frenzy that has got a lot of people who are reading this their jobs. > > But that's a different story. Mosaic was good, and God saw it was good, so > he allowed Marc to start Netscape. Back to this later. > > But all this time Brian and Dennis started to make something better than > Unix called Plan 9. (Great legends say that God crushed Plans 1-7. There > was no Plan 8 because Brian and Dennis pulled the wool over God's eyes and > just jumped to Plan 9, which was too bright a move for even God to figure > out.) > > Eventually, God figured out how to create Larry. > > No one knows how or why he created Larry, except perhaps to reduce > productivity at the Jet Propulsion Labs at NASA. Rumors are that God > created Larry because he secretly liked what Dennis and Brian had done > with C, but didn't think C and Unix was enough -- this probably isn't true > because God believed he had destroyed Brian and Dennis's plans by > destroying Plans 1-7, and by creating Microsoft to slay their beloved > Unix. > > Anyhow, Larry created Perl (using Unix and C, of course), and God saw it > was good, so he made Randal. Larry and Randal wrote books about Perl. And > everyone saw that this was good, except snobs who were too much into C, > Windows, and Intel. > > [...] > > Continues at http://www.dave.org.uk/geekhist.shtml ... > > > -Daniel > > http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com > > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > dcarr@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org From da at coder.com Wed Feb 26 17:44:31 2003 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] installed modules? Message-ID: What's the easy way to find what modules are installed locally? I thought it was 'perldoc perllocal' but that doens't exist and perldoc doesn't seem to list perllocal. Thanks, -Daniel http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com From data64 at yahoo.com Wed Feb 26 18:04:16 2003 From: data64 at yahoo.com (data) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] installed modules? Message-ID: <20030227000416.76387.qmail@web21310.mail.yahoo.com> "perldoc perllocal" works for me. Tested on RH linux perl 5.6.1 and on W2K using Activestate Perl 5.6.1 data64 = = = Original message = = = What's the easy way to find what modules are installed locally? I thought it was 'perldoc perllocal' but that doens't exist and perldoc doesn't seem to list perllocal. Thanks, -Daniel http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com ___________________________________________________________ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From da at coder.com Wed Feb 26 18:23:02 2003 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] installed modules? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Debian, Woody. Just built and installed this week. Can somebody else running debian check this? $ perl -v This is perl, v5.6.1 $ dpkg -l perl Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad) ||/ Name Version Description +++-==============-==============-============================================ ii perl 5.6.1-8.2 Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report # locate perllocal.pod # (no result) *sigh* -Daniel On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, martin wrote: > > > that should work. i just used it today. what kind of os/distro are you > running? > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Martin E. Kokkelink. > Golden Triangle Online Inc. Systems Division. > (519) 576-3334 ext. 1386 > > > > On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > > > What's the easy way to find what modules are installed locally? I thought > > it was 'perldoc perllocal' but that doens't exist and perldoc doesn't seem > > to list perllocal. > > > > Thanks, > > -Daniel > > > > http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kw-pm mailing list > > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > > > > From daniel at coder.com Wed Feb 26 19:35:38 2003 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] installed modules? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Problem solved. The perl modules I was looking for were installed by debian packages, and those don't get listed in perllocal.pod. Otherwise, since it wsa a fresh system, perllocal.pod doesn't exist. -Daniel On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > Debian, Woody. Just built and installed this week. Can somebody else > running debian check this? > > $ perl -v > This is perl, v5.6.1 > > $ dpkg -l perl > > Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold > | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed > |/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: > uppercase=bad) > ||/ Name Version Description > +++-==============-==============-============================================ > ii perl 5.6.1-8.2 Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and > Report > > # locate perllocal.pod > # > (no result) > > *sigh* > > -Daniel > > On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, martin wrote: > > > > > > > that should work. i just used it today. what kind of os/distro are you > > running? > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Martin E. Kokkelink. > > Golden Triangle Online Inc. Systems Division. > > (519) 576-3334 ext. 1386 > > > > > > > > On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > > > > > What's the easy way to find what modules are installed locally? I thought > > > it was 'perldoc perllocal' but that doens't exist and perldoc doesn't seem > > > to list perllocal. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > -Daniel > > > > > > http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > kw-pm mailing list > > > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From elbie at trig.net Thu Feb 27 09:01:40 2003 From: elbie at trig.net (Christopher Calzonetti) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] meatspace locations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030227150140.GA43886@trig.net> > What's the easy way to find what modules are installed locally? I thought > it was 'perldoc perllocal' but that doens't exist and perldoc doesn't seem > to list perllocal. I find the most reliable way is actually to use the CPAN module. Alternatively, you could use ExtUtils::Installed. Here's a (slightly modified) fragment from a program I wrote: sub list_modules( $$ ) { for my $module ( CPAN::Shell->expand( "Module", "/./" )) { next unless $module->inst_file; print( $module->id, ": ", $module->inst_version, ( $module->uptodate ? '' : " (Newer version " . $module->cpan_version . " available)" ), "\n" ); } } -- Christopher Calzonetti, Technical Lead, Trig.Net Web: http://www.trig.net/ Mail: mailto:chris@trig.net From elbie at trig.net Thu Feb 27 09:33:45 2003 From: elbie at trig.net (Christopher Calzonetti) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] meatspace locations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030227153345.GA46534@trig.net> Personally, while uptown Waterloo or the University is relatively convenient, Charu did bring up a point that a place such as the Working Centre would be an unbiased location for meetings. This seems like a reasonably good point, and I doubt very much that since I am the only one from Quarry who seems to attend the meetings it is highly unlikely that we are going to get any swag, graft, whathaveyou from my gracious benefactors save from the use of their space (for which I am grateful). The University is a nice space, if we can get room there on a regular basis, as is the Working Centre. Is the working centre so far out of the way that people find it hard to get there? There are several bus routes that go more or less directly from UW to the bus terminal, a scant block from the Working Centre. I think that Daniel would be the one responsible for closing shop after every meeting though, if we were at the Working Centre (or if we got his friend's lab at UW like we were doing initially) which pretty much puts him in the same spot as I am in when we host the meetings at Quarry. If we were rotating between locations on a regular basis, the problem of having to check where to go all the time might be less of a problem. What do people think of something along the lines of: First meeting of every term (January, May and September meetings) at UW. Second and third meetings at offsite locations. (Say Quarry for 2nd month, Working Centre for 3rd month, or similar.) Fourth meeting of the term (April, August and December) is pub night. On Wed, Feb 26, 2003 at 12:23:21PM -0500, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > > Chris said last Thursday it would be nice to not have to host every > meeting. Which I can understand; it's work to set up/stay-till-the-end. > He suggested we rotate locations among two places, to distribute the > responsibility. I want to go easy on our hosts; it's great that Chris has > been point-person for this and I don't want to wear him out. > > A few locations were suggested, including the Working Centre, Open Text, > and a University of Waterloo lecture hall. > > Charu said he likes the Working Centre, where the Linux Users Group meets; > downtown Kitchener seems central, there is free parking at night, and it's > a "neutral space" so people don't feel they're being prosletized by a > company. > > Simon said that meeting at or close to the Universities would mean more > students would show up; getting to downtown Kitchener can be a bit long by > bus. > > I noted that rotating meetings means everyone needs to actually think > before heading out the door, so fewer people might show up; and being > affiliated with a company rather than non-profit can be nice because it > adds a professional air. At boston.pm, we met at the boston.com building; > they were really nice and gave us free food. (this was after 3 years > meeting in someone's attic, then 2 years off in the suburbs). > > Arguile agreed with this merit, coming from vancouver.pm which meets at > ActiveState. > > Previously, someone has said meeting at the University detracts from > business people showing up because it would feel like a student group and > it's tougher to find parking. > > If you drew a vector along the axes of physical location, ease for hosts, > parking, cost, and town-gown relations, I think so far everything nearly > cancels and we find ourselves very close to the origin. (help?) > > It was agreed that we should definitely meet at a student-friendly > location once a term, before homework sets in. This makes sense. > > Invitations on offer: > Quarry every couple of months (comes with parking, data-projector, and > uptown location); > > Open Text (Rick Price has said he could ask; they have parking, a > board-room with data-projector, a location very close to the U of W); > > The U of W has spaces that are generally available; or we might be able > to use the lab we met in the first time once every few months; > > My office at my house. Small table, cozy, street parking, no projector. > Puppy. > > -- > > Although having only one location would make it easier for attenders, that > puts a burden on the host. And I don't want to impose every month on Rick, > who hasn't even asked his boss yet. :-> > > I don't know if the Working Centre will offer to host us, since neither > Bill or Paul are perl programmers and although I volunteer there, I don't > have a key. I will ask this afternoon. > > In the interests of a "good enough fit", first, should we consider sharing > the wealth with two locations; and second, should Rick ask his boss so we > have more options to chose between? From da at coder.com Fri Feb 28 19:55:11 2003 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] working centre Message-ID: The Working Centre said they'd be happy to let us use their space for evening meetings. Which is great. But the downside is that their data projector probably won't be available. Tim said arranging for its use would be "difficult". -Daniel http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com From da at coder.com Fri Feb 28 19:59:09 2003 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:29 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] bioperl? Message-ID: Has anybody on the list done anything with bioperl? If so, I would love to have a chat over coffee or something. Happy Friday, Daniel http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com