From daniel at coder.com Mon Oct 7 09:54:03 2002 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:26 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] location, location, location! Message-ID: So far, exactly one location has offered itself for next month's meeting, and that's the lab we met in last month. Any problem with meeting there again this month? -Daniel From daniel at coder.com Sat Oct 12 10:05:19 2002 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Meeting the Second Message-ID: If I'm not mistaken, we have both a topic and a location for our second meeting. Chris C. has offered to talk about regular expressions. We'll meet in the same room as last time, Davis 2305 at the U of W, next Thursday, October 17th. Can we get a brief discussion going here- what perl modules do you think are under-appreciated? Personally, I like Memoize.pm. If you haven't seen it, it replaces expensive subroutine-calls with very quick table-lookups. It will work on any subroutine whose outputs depend on, and only on, the inputs. It can also store the results on disk so repeated program calls will become faster as well. I've seen 5x code speedups with it, just by adding two lines to my code. Happy Thanksgiving, all! -Daniel From elbie at trig.net Sat Oct 12 23:42:00 2002 From: elbie at trig.net (Christopher Calzonetti) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] timing, timing, timing? Message-ID: <20021013044200.GA39976@trig.net> Just to be sure, Thursday's meeting is at 7pm? -- Christopher Calzonetti, Technical Lead, Trig.Net Web: http://www.trig.net/ Mail: mailto:chris@trig.net From da at coder.com Sun Oct 13 08:36:06 2002 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] timing, timing, timing? In-Reply-To: <20021013044200.GA39976@trig.net> Message-ID: Yes. On Sun, 13 Oct 2002, Christopher Calzonetti wrote: > Just to be sure, Thursday's meeting is at 7pm? > -- > Christopher Calzonetti, Technical Lead, Trig.Net > Web: http://www.trig.net/ Mail: mailto:chris@trig.net > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From da at coder.com Thu Oct 17 22:52:50 2002 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] tonights talk... In-Reply-To: <20020929210538.GA64037@trig.net> Message-ID: ...was excellent. Thanks Chris. Now I understand look-ahead, look-behind, and all the other zero-width assertions which always caused me to space out when reading the camel book. I'll have minutes written up in a few days; and I'm sure Chris will post his slides onto the website soon as well. Off to the States for the weekend! Bye! -Daniel From elbie at trig.net Thu Oct 17 22:10:08 2002 From: elbie at trig.net (Christopher Calzonetti) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Regex talk now available online Message-ID: <20021018031008.GA16749@trig.net> It's all there, complete with a minor correction that came up during the talk. http://kw.pm.org/talks/1017-regex/ -- Christopher Calzonetti, Technical Lead, Trig.Net Web: http://www.trig.net/ Mail: mailto:chris@trig.net From dcarr at SDF.LONESTAR.ORG Fri Oct 18 04:48:38 2002 From: dcarr at SDF.LONESTAR.ORG (lloyd carr) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] tonights talk... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'm still not "spaced out", but that's not Chris's fault ;-) I was asked about Perl advocacy, well a few ideas. 1) Take on a community project as a group as a means of raising the profile of Perl and our group. Daniel did this in a small way with his attempt to help kwlug. 2) Volunteer to give "introduction to Perl talks" at other computer groups or clubs, perhaps even high school computer clubs. There are people out there who would like Perl as much as we do if they were introduced to it. 3) See if we can offer a Perl course at Conestoga, I don't believe they have one already. I have taught at Conestoga before and wouldn't mind co-teaching a course. It is a real joy to teach something to people that they find really useful :-) Lloyd On Thu, 17 Oct 2002, Daniel R. Allen wrote: > Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2002 23:52:50 -0400 (EDT) > From: Daniel R. Allen > To: kw-pm@mail.pm.org > Subject: [kw-pm] tonights talk... > > ...was excellent. Thanks Chris. Now I understand look-ahead, > look-behind, and all the other zero-width assertions which always caused > me to space out when reading the camel book. > > I'll have minutes written up in a few days; and I'm sure Chris will post > his slides onto the website soon as well. > > Off to the States for the weekend! > Bye! > > -Daniel > > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > dcarr@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org From dcarr at SDF.LONESTAR.ORG Fri Oct 25 11:13:17 2002 From: dcarr at SDF.LONESTAR.ORG (lloyd carr) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] (no subject) Message-ID: We really need too come up with a list of topics for future meetings. They don't have to be carved in stone, but we do need a working list. One that was all but asked for was "Perl for large projects". Anyone feel qualified to take a stab at it? No sorry not me I'm a minimalist kind of guy, but I do think it's a worthy topic for a meeting. We've also talked about a module a month. How about kicking it off with about four of us presenting their favorites. One of us could also do a mini tutorial of cpan tricks. What is YOUR favorite module? One I would like to request is "Perl and XML". Anyone else interested in this? Anyone already using XML with Perl? Ok so what Perl topics would you like to know more about? We need to hash this out between meetings so we can continue to provide good content at our meetings. Lloyd P.S. I have some LP's I want too convert to CD's anyone know a Perl module for that ;-) dcarr@sdf.lonestar.org SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org From da at coder.com Fri Oct 25 21:01:51 2002 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] (no subject) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I can talk about clean perl / style guides / best-practices perl for large projects, which will probably be a survey of whatever articles I can find on the topic in the next 4 weeks. So we're good for November's talk. I hope to have a writeup of the last meeting up shortly; I've been working on it but have been a bit swamped with other stuff. -Daniel On Fri, 25 Oct 2002, lloyd carr wrote: > We really need too come up with a list of topics for future meetings. > They don't have to be carved in stone, but we do need a working list. > > One that was all but asked for was "Perl for large projects". Anyone > feel qualified to take a stab at it? No sorry not me I'm a minimalist > kind of guy, but I do think it's a worthy topic for a meeting. > > We've also talked about a module a month. How about kicking it off > with about four of us presenting their favorites. One of us could also > do a mini tutorial of cpan tricks. What is YOUR favorite module? > > One I would like to request is "Perl and XML". Anyone else interested in > this? Anyone already using XML with Perl? > > Ok so what Perl topics would you like to know more about? > We need to hash this out between meetings so we can continue to provide > good content at our meetings. > > Lloyd > > P.S. I have some LP's I want too convert to CD's anyone know a Perl module > for that ;-) > > dcarr@sdf.lonestar.org > SDF Public Access UNIX System - http://sdf.lonestar.org > > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From da at coder.com Fri Oct 25 21:01:57 2002 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Minutes for 17 October, 2002 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry these minutes are a bit late! Minutes for 17 October, 2002 The meeting started at 7pm. Chris gave a very useful talk on regular expressions both mundane and esoteric. Including a good explanation of look-forward and look-behind assertions, the regex debugger, efficiency, and more. His slides of the talk are on the website: http://kw.pm.org/talks/1017-regex/ All of his examples came from the Camel book, so look there for additional enlightenment. After the talk we discussed a few items of interest- If you'd like a perlmongers teeshirt, one can be had for $10; drop Daniel an email (da@coder.com) and he will bring your shirt to the next meeting. We still have the opportunity to get Oreilly books at a fairly big discount, through Rob, who is a Oreilly reseller. We should try to get a group order together in the next few months. If anybody is interested in reviewing new Oreilly or Manning perl books, we have the means to get review copies. Contact Daniel if you've a hankering to write up a few hundred words and put them somewhere public in exchange for a shiny new book. Next Month's topic: what are people interested in hearing or talking about? We had a discussion of Template Toolkit and HTML::Template. Of 3 people who had used both professionally, Template Toolkit won the most praises; HTML::Template was limited in comparison with TT's features, and TT's source-code looks a lot better. Chris did a brief demo of Template Toolkit code he used while preparing his talk. So, since we discussed these in fairly good depth, it looks like we don't need a future talk on TT and HTML::Template. People threw out a few ideas for future topics: * Acme::Bleach and similar bizarre modules in the Acme namespace. * OO Perl * Inline (used to write perl subroutines in other languages; such as with Inline::C or Inline::ASM) * Style Guides for large projects - clean perl? Best Practices? A consensus arose that everybody wanted to hear about the last item the most. Daniel will be preparing this for November's meeting. If people have other ideas for talks, please raise them on the list. We had a go-around with introductions. Although the group was smaller than last month, there were three newcomers, all local professionals; two new to the area. Welcome! Next month, we will most likely meet at a new location- the offices of Quarry Communications (www.quarry.com) at the corner of King and Allen Streets in Uptown Waterloo. More information will be provided on the list. After a long and unminuted discussion, we broke up around 9:30. From rick_price at rogers.com Sat Oct 26 22:53:55 2002 From: rick_price at rogers.com (Rick Price) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Meeting Locations Message-ID: <3DBB6353.6080105@rogers.com> Hi It's Rick Price (Friend of Lloyd Carr). I work for Open Text Corporation, I expect my company would let us have meetings in the main boardroom etc. It can probably seat 30 comfortably. We also have electronic projectors that could be used with a laptop. I expect we have people at work who would find the meetings interesting. If you guys are interested I can ask. Rick From da at coder.com Sun Oct 27 08:03:37 2002 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] discount o'reilly books (fwd) Message-ID: Please contact Robert by this monday afternoon to get in on this order. (This order is time-critical; future orders will be less so, so don't stress about the timing!) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sun, 27 Oct 2002 06:42:10 -0500 (EST) From: Robert P. J. Day Reply-To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org To: kwlug-disc@kwlug.org Subject: [kwlug disc.] discount o'reilly books i'm about to put in an order for myself for a bunch of o'reilly books, most probably by the end of monday. if you'd like to add anything to that order (35% discount off of listed prices), let me know ASAP, and we'll figure out how to get the book(s) to you once they get here. the final price would be list, minus 35%, then add GST on top of that. i pay the shipping since i bundle it in with a larger order for myself. so, let me know real soon now if you want anything. rday ---- This Post sent to the kwlug-disc list by mailto:"Robert P. J. Day" To unsubscribe mailto:majordomo@kwlug.org with 'unsubscribe kwlug-disc' in the body (minus the ticks). Report problems mailto:owner-kwlug-disc@kwlug.org List: mailto:kwlug-disc@kwlug.org From da at coder.com Sun Oct 27 08:04:22 2002 From: da at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Meeting Locations In-Reply-To: <3DBB6353.6080105@rogers.com> Message-ID: (any other responses: please cc Rick, since he isn't on the list yet) Hi Rick! Thanks for the offer. In October, we're going to try the offices of Quarry Communications, who approached us earlier this month. I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually need your boardroom, since we're a growing group. So I'd like to keep the option open; and in the mean time please encourage your co-workers to join the mailing-list and come on over to Quarry on Thursday the 21st of November at 7pm. If you'd like to hang a poster for next month, contact lloyd@kw.pm.org and one will be provided as soon as he's finished it. (Thanks Lloyd!) Maybe the right strategy should be: rotating hosts around the area like a travelling show, gradually picking up perl-coders at each new company... On the other hand, maybe not; there's a lot to be said for stability of location. We'll see how things go at Quarry! Cheers, Daniel On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, Rick Price wrote: > Hi It's Rick Price (Friend of Lloyd Carr). > > I work for Open Text Corporation, > > I expect my company would let us have meetings in the main boardroom > etc. It can probably seat 30 comfortably. > > We also have electronic projectors that could be used with a laptop. > > I expect we have people at work who would find the meetings interesting. > > If you guys are interested I can ask. > > Rick > > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm > From elbie at trig.net Sun Oct 27 13:03:16 2002 From: elbie at trig.net (elbie@trig.net) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:27 2004 Subject: [kw-pm] Meeting Locations In-Reply-To: References: <3DBB6353.6080105@rogers.com> Message-ID: <49228.24.112.105.132.1035745396.squirrel@webmail.pair.com> Just so people know, I am still pursuing this, and things look very promising. Quarry, by the way is in the Allen Square building at the corner King and Allen, just South of uptown Waterloo. More information as I discover it. > (any other responses: please cc Rick, since he isn't on the list yet) > > Hi Rick! Thanks for the offer. In October, we're going to try the > offices of Quarry Communications, who approached us earlier this month. > I wouldn't be surprised if we eventually need your boardroom, since > we're a growing group. So I'd like to keep the option open; and in the > mean time please encourage your co-workers to join the mailing-list and > come on over to Quarry on Thursday the 21st of November at 7pm. > > If you'd like to hang a poster for next month, contact lloyd@kw.pm.org > and one will be provided as soon as he's finished it. (Thanks Lloyd!) > > Maybe the right strategy should be: rotating hosts around the area like > a travelling show, gradually picking up perl-coders at each new > company... On the other hand, maybe not; there's a lot to be said for > stability of location. We'll see how things go at Quarry! > > Cheers, > > Daniel > > On Sat, 26 Oct 2002, Rick Price wrote: > >> Hi It's Rick Price (Friend of Lloyd Carr). >> >> I work for Open Text Corporation, >> >> I expect my company would let us have meetings in the main boardroom >> etc. It can probably seat 30 comfortably. >> >> We also have electronic projectors that could be used with a laptop. >> >> I expect we have people at work who would find the meetings >> interesting. >> >> If you guys are interested I can ask. >> >> Rick >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kw-pm mailing list >> kw-pm@mail.pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > kw-pm mailing list > kw-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kw-pm