<head><style>body{font-size:10pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;background-color:#ffffff;color:black;}p{margin:0px;}</style></head><body><font size="2">Whenever I tell a<font size="2">nyone about coding in <font size="2">Perl, they always complain about arcane syntax and cultural style.<br><font size="2"><font size="2">I think what Perl is suffering from is <font size="2">coming from a cultural approach that was/is more about being a Unix Geek, than anything else.<br><font size="2">The other thing, of course, is the l<font size="2">ess than elegant <font size="2">ob<font size="2">ject oriented syntax, which of course Moose seeks to address.<br><br><font size="2">Another thing <font size="2">you see a lot of is people wanting s<font size="2">impl<font size="2">ification of their presentation, rather than their code functionality.<br><font size="2">Fewer<font size="2"> synta<font size="2">c<font size="2">tical cues.<br><font size="2">I find that <font size="2">potentially negative for long term maintenance, but for young coders, the elegant visual presentation seems to be very ap<font size="2">pealing.<br><br>And Perl in a way suffers from its flexibility, at the same time that it can be a strength, if you can sort out the resulting confusion of the ecosystem.<br><font size="2">(And ecos<font size="2">ystem is a big issue now a <font size="2">d</font>ays. Perl should have a tremen<font size="2">dous <font size="2">advantage the<font size="2">re. But Cpan, while massive, is not as easy to parse as some of the <font size="2">other ecosystem storehouses.)<br><br><font size="2">Just my thoughts.<br><br><font size="2">Teal</font><br></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font></font><blockquote style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px; BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid"><davidnicol@gmail.com><kc@pm.org><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Stephen Clouse <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:stephenclouse@gmail.com">stephenclouse@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div class="im">On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:04 AM, David Nicol <span dir="ltr"><<a target="_blank" href="mailto:davidnicol@gmail.com">davidnicol@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">What does Stephen Clouse have against PHP? </blockquote></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><a target="_blank" href="http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/">http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/</a></div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>That is an excellent rant. PHP appears to have been optimized for bureaucratic embedding. The "PHP guy" sets something up that sort of works, and then remains there extending it for years and years. So is there an alternative to simply ignoring the many job postings looking for PHP-competent hackers? Offer to rewrite the PHP stuff in something else? By tomorrow? Not practical.</div>
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<div>So you're over autoconverting scalars? Or is that feature now available enough other places. </div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></div><div>You lost me somewhere.</div></div></div></div></blockquote>
<div><br></div><div>I was replying to "Moose seems like the only thing Perl has going for it any more." The weak typing was what</div><div>made it interesting to me when i first encountered it, so long ago; I guess I was trying to imply a cheerful question, please share what aspects Perl used to have, that aren't fun any more? </div>
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