From davidnicol at gmail.com Wed May 8 09:22:16 2013 From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 11:22:16 -0500 Subject: [Kc] work needed immediately Message-ID: Fire sale! You can have David Nicol on your staff for cheap. On-site in greater KC or telecommute. There is only one David Nicol available so act fast! -- indigestion from sufficiently magical technology is no advance From jay.hannah at iinteractive.com Wed May 8 10:30:56 2013 From: jay.hannah at iinteractive.com (Jay Hannah) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 12:30:56 -0500 Subject: [Kc] work needed immediately In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <47787E4A-F2C1-475D-BDF1-72E3E65B9BCF@iinteractive.com> On May 8, 2013, at 11:22 AM, David Nicol wrote: > Fire sale! You can have David Nicol on your staff for cheap. On-site > in greater KC or telecommute. > > There is only one David Nicol available so act fast! Did David Nicol post David Nicol's resume somewhere? :) Thanks, Jay Hannah Project Lead / Programmer http://www.iinteractive.com Email: jay.hannah at iinteractive.com AOL IM: deafferret Mobile: 1.402.598.7782 Fax: 1.402.691.9496 From djgoku at gmail.com Wed May 8 10:40:48 2013 From: djgoku at gmail.com (djgoku at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 12:40:48 -0500 Subject: [Kc] May 2013 Meeting Message-ID: Who is all up for meeting next Tuesday at Fox n Hound? Jonathan Otsuka From popefelix at gmail.com Wed May 8 11:37:58 2013 From: popefelix at gmail.com (Kit Peters) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 13:37:58 -0500 Subject: [Kc] May 2013 Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm JAPH again; I'm in. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 12:40 PM, wrote: > Who is all up for meeting next Tuesday at Fox n Hound? > > Jonathan Otsuka > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc > -- Kit Peters, W0KEH GPG public key fingerpint: 1A12 04B6 0C80 306A B292 14FD 2C7A 1037 F666 46A7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidnicol at gmail.com Wed May 8 12:20:43 2013 From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 14:20:43 -0500 Subject: [Kc] work needed immediately In-Reply-To: <47787E4A-F2C1-475D-BDF1-72E3E65B9BCF@iinteractive.com> References: <47787E4A-F2C1-475D-BDF1-72E3E65B9BCF@iinteractive.com> Message-ID: On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Jay Hannah wrote: >> >> There is only one David Nicol available so act fast! > > Did David Nicol post David Nicol's resume somewhere? :) Examples of his work can be found in the DAVIDNICO CPAN account; his resume is available on request. From lukewpatterson at gmail.com Wed May 8 12:39:24 2013 From: lukewpatterson at gmail.com (Luke Patterson) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 14:39:24 -0500 Subject: [Kc] work needed immediately In-Reply-To: References: <47787E4A-F2C1-475D-BDF1-72E3E65B9BCF@iinteractive.com> Message-ID: On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:20 PM, David Nicol wrote: > Examples of his work can be found in the DAVIDNICO CPAN account; his > resume is > available on request. So you are vouching for him? What do you get out of the deal? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wish we were hiring... j From don.ellis at gmail.com Wed May 8 14:37:38 2013 From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 16:37:38 -0500 Subject: [Kc] work needed immediately In-Reply-To: References: <47787E4A-F2C1-475D-BDF1-72E3E65B9BCF@iinteractive.com> Message-ID: On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Luke Patterson wrote: > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:20 PM, David Nicol wrote: > > Examples of his work can be found in the DAVIDNICO CPAN account; his >> resume is >> available on request. > > > > So you are vouching for him? What do you get out of the deal? > If he doesn't vouch for him, who will? (like signing your own public key in GPG/PGP) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eodchop at gmail.com Wed May 8 15:06:04 2013 From: eodchop at gmail.com (Ryan Southard) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 17:06:04 -0500 Subject: [Kc] work needed immediately In-Reply-To: References: <47787E4A-F2C1-475D-BDF1-72E3E65B9BCF@iinteractive.com> Message-ID: Last I knew Andrews McMeel was looking for Perl devs. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Don Ellis wrote: > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Luke Patterson wrote: > >> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:20 PM, David Nicol wrote: >> >> Examples of his work can be found in the DAVIDNICO CPAN account; his >>> resume is >>> available on request. >> >> >> >> So you are vouching for him? What do you get out of the deal? >> > > If he doesn't vouch for him, who will? (like signing your own public key > in GPG/PGP) > > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc > -- Ryan Southard uses Linux, you should too. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug.sparling at gmail.com Wed May 8 15:36:14 2013 From: doug.sparling at gmail.com (Doug Sparling) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 17:36:14 -0500 Subject: [Kc] work needed immediately In-Reply-To: References: <47787E4A-F2C1-475D-BDF1-72E3E65B9BCF@iinteractive.com> Message-ID: No, we (Andrews McMeel) actually just filled the last dev spot and there's almost no Perl left. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Ryan Southard wrote: > Last I knew Andrews McMeel was looking for Perl devs. > > > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Don Ellis wrote: > >> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Luke Patterson wrote: >> >>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:20 PM, David Nicol >>> wrote: >>> >>> Examples of his work can be found in the DAVIDNICO CPAN account; his >>>> resume is >>>> available on request. >>> >>> >>> >>> So you are vouching for him? What do you get out of the deal? >>> >> >> If he doesn't vouch for him, who will? (like signing your own public key >> in GPG/PGP) >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kc mailing list >> kc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc >> > > > > -- > Ryan Southard uses Linux, you should too. > > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From popefelix at gmail.com Wed May 8 16:44:33 2013 From: popefelix at gmail.com (Kit Peters) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 18:44:33 -0500 Subject: [Kc] work needed immediately In-Reply-To: References: <47787E4A-F2C1-475D-BDF1-72E3E65B9BCF@iinteractive.com> Message-ID: No Perl left? No Perl left? Say it ain't so! My outfit - Smart Warehousing - might be looking for another dev in a little while, but I don't know the time frame. For whatever it's worth, you can send me a resume and I'll forward it on to my boss. KP On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Doug Sparling wrote: > No, we (Andrews McMeel) actually just filled the last dev spot and there's > almost no Perl left. > > > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Ryan Southard wrote: > >> Last I knew Andrews McMeel was looking for Perl devs. >> >> >> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Don Ellis wrote: >> >>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Luke Patterson >> > wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:20 PM, David Nicol >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Examples of his work can be found in the DAVIDNICO CPAN account; his >>>>> resume is >>>>> available on request. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So you are vouching for him? What do you get out of the deal? >>>> >>> >>> If he doesn't vouch for him, who will? (like signing your own public key >>> in GPG/PGP) >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kc mailing list >>> kc at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ryan Southard uses Linux, you should too. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kc mailing list >> kc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc >> > > > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc > -- Kit Peters, W0KEH GPG public key fingerpint: 1A12 04B6 0C80 306A B292 14FD 2C7A 1037 F666 46A7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug.sparling at gmail.com Wed May 8 17:13:48 2013 From: doug.sparling at gmail.com (Doug Sparling) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 19:13:48 -0500 Subject: [Kc] work needed immediately In-Reply-To: References: <47787E4A-F2C1-475D-BDF1-72E3E65B9BCF@iinteractive.com> Message-ID: Kit - haha, yeah, I've been there a long time and when I started it was 100% Perl/mod-perl. We started migrating away from Perl around 2007 or so. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Kit Peters wrote: > No Perl left? No Perl left? Say it ain't so! > > My outfit - Smart Warehousing - might be looking for another dev in a > little while, but I don't know the time frame. For whatever it's worth, > you can send me a resume and I'll forward it on to my boss. > > KP > > > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Doug Sparling wrote: > >> No, we (Andrews McMeel) actually just filled the last dev spot and >> there's almost no Perl left. >> >> >> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Ryan Southard wrote: >> >>> Last I knew Andrews McMeel was looking for Perl devs. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Don Ellis wrote: >>> >>>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Luke Patterson < >>>> lukewpatterson at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:20 PM, David Nicol >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Examples of his work can be found in the DAVIDNICO CPAN account; his >>>>>> resume is >>>>>> available on request. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> So you are vouching for him? What do you get out of the deal? >>>>> >>>> >>>> If he doesn't vouch for him, who will? (like signing your own public >>>> key in GPG/PGP) >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> kc mailing list >>>> kc at pm.org >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ryan Southard uses Linux, you should too. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kc mailing list >>> kc at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kc mailing list >> kc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc >> > > > > -- > Kit Peters, W0KEH > GPG public key fingerpint: 1A12 04B6 0C80 306A B292 14FD 2C7A 1037 F666 > 46A7 > > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott.kahler at gmail.com Wed May 8 17:36:46 2013 From: scott.kahler at gmail.com (Scott Kahler) Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 19:36:46 -0500 Subject: [Kc] work needed immediately In-Reply-To: References: <47787E4A-F2C1-475D-BDF1-72E3E65B9BCF@iinteractive.com> Message-ID: The perl that's left is just so awesome it can't be replaced. On May 8, 2013 7:14 PM, "Doug Sparling" wrote: > Kit - haha, yeah, I've been there a long time and when I started it was > 100% Perl/mod-perl. We started migrating away from Perl around 2007 or so. > > > On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Kit Peters wrote: > >> No Perl left? No Perl left? Say it ain't so! >> >> My outfit - Smart Warehousing - might be looking for another dev in a >> little while, but I don't know the time frame. For whatever it's worth, >> you can send me a resume and I'll forward it on to my boss. >> >> KP >> >> >> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:36 PM, Doug Sparling wrote: >> >>> No, we (Andrews McMeel) actually just filled the last dev spot and >>> there's almost no Perl left. >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Ryan Southard wrote: >>> >>>> Last I knew Andrews McMeel was looking for Perl devs. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 4:37 PM, Don Ellis wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Luke Patterson < >>>>> lukewpatterson at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 2:20 PM, David Nicol >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Examples of his work can be found in the DAVIDNICO CPAN account; his >>>>>>> resume is >>>>>>> available on request. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> So you are vouching for him? What do you get out of the deal? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If he doesn't vouch for him, who will? (like signing your own public >>>>> key in GPG/PGP) >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> kc mailing list >>>>> kc at pm.org >>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ryan Southard uses Linux, you should too. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> kc mailing list >>>> kc at pm.org >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc >>>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> kc mailing list >>> kc at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Kit Peters, W0KEH >> GPG public key fingerpint: 1A12 04B6 0C80 306A B292 14FD 2C7A 1037 F666 >> 46A7 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> kc mailing list >> kc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc >> > > > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <518D54B7.7090706@earthlink.net> References: <518D54B7.7090706@earthlink.net> Message-ID: PHP should be considered a war crime under the Geneva Convention. -- Stephen Clouse -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidnicol at gmail.com Fri May 10 19:16:38 2013 From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 21:16:38 -0500 Subject: [Kc] PHP guys? In-Reply-To: References: <518D54B7.7090706@earthlink.net> Message-ID: so should Moose. On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Stephen Clouse wrote: > PHP should be considered a war crime under the Geneva Convention. > > -- > Stephen Clouse > > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc -- indigestion from sufficiently magical technology is no advance From popefelix at gmail.com Fri May 10 19:59:45 2013 From: popefelix at gmail.com (Kit Peters) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 21:59:45 -0500 Subject: [Kc] PHP guys? In-Reply-To: References: <518D54B7.7090706@earthlink.net> Message-ID: I'm sure I'll hate myself for asking this, but what do you have against Moose? On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 9:16 PM, David Nicol wrote: > so should Moose. > > On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 3:17 PM, Stephen Clouse > wrote: > > PHP should be considered a war crime under the Geneva Convention. > > > > -- > > Stephen Clouse > > > > _______________________________________________ > > kc mailing list > > kc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc > > > > -- > indigestion from sufficiently magical technology is no advance > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc > -- Kit Peters, W0KEH GPG public key fingerpint: 1A12 04B6 0C80 306A B292 14FD 2C7A 1037 F666 46A7 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephenclouse at gmail.com Fri May 10 21:25:07 2013 From: stephenclouse at gmail.com (Stephen Clouse) Date: Fri, 10 May 2013 23:25:07 -0500 Subject: [Kc] PHP guys? In-Reply-To: References: <518D54B7.7090706@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Kit Peters wrote: > I'm sure I'll hate myself for asking this, but what do you have against > Moose? > I'm kinda curious there too. Moose feels like the only thing Perl has going for it at present. Otherwise I'd have jumped ship for an evolved OO 3GL. -- Stephen Clouse -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidnicol at gmail.com Sat May 11 09:04:28 2013 From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol) Date: Sat, 11 May 2013 11:04:28 -0500 Subject: [Kc] PHP guys? In-Reply-To: References: <518D54B7.7090706@earthlink.net> Message-ID: What does Stephen Clouse have against PHP? I certainly don't have, against Moose, enough animosity to justify serious slander. I think Perl with Moose is a different language from Perl without Moose. As different as C++ and C. , 2013 at 11:25 PM, Stephen Clouse wrote: > On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Kit Peters wrote: > >> I'm sure I'll hate myself for asking this, but what do you have against >> Moose? >> > > I'm kinda curious there too. Moose feels like the only thing Perl has > going for it at present. Otherwise I'd have jumped ship for an evolved OO > 3GL. > So you're over autoconverting scalars? Or is that feature now available enough other places. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stephenclouse at gmail.com Sun May 12 01:23:02 2013 From: stephenclouse at gmail.com (Stephen Clouse) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 03:23:02 -0500 Subject: [Kc] PHP guys? In-Reply-To: References: <518D54B7.7090706@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:04 AM, David Nicol wrote: > What does Stephen Clouse have against PHP? http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ So you're over autoconverting scalars? Or is that feature now available > enough other places. > You lost me somewhere. -- Stephen Clouse -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From doug.sparling at gmail.com Sun May 12 06:44:20 2013 From: doug.sparling at gmail.com (Doug Sparling) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 08:44:20 -0500 Subject: [Kc] PHP guys? In-Reply-To: References: <518D54B7.7090706@earthlink.net> Message-ID: This is the most inane discussion I've ever read on KCPM in the 10+ years I've been subscribed. As I've already said my goodbyes to Perl, it's time I say adieux to the list. Best of luck to you all. Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2013, at 3:23 AM, Stephen Clouse wrote: > On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:04 AM, David Nicol wrote: >> What does Stephen Clouse have against PHP? > > http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ > >> So you're over autoconverting scalars? Or is that feature now available enough other places. > > You lost me somewhere. > > -- > Stephen Clouse > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidnicol at gmail.com Sun May 12 09:58:46 2013 From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 11:58:46 -0500 Subject: [Kc] PHP guys? In-Reply-To: References: <518D54B7.7090706@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Stephen Clouse wrote: > On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 11:04 AM, David Nicol wrote: > >> What does Stephen Clouse have against PHP? > > > http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ > That is an excellent rant. PHP appears to have been optimized for bureaucratic embedding. The "PHP guy" sets something up that sort of works, and then remains there extending it for years and years. So is there an alternative to simply ignoring the many job postings looking for PHP-competent hackers? Offer to rewrite the PHP stuff in something else? By tomorrow? Not practical. > So you're over autoconverting scalars? Or is that feature now available >> enough other places. >> > > You lost me somewhere. > I was replying to "Moose seems like the only thing Perl has going for it any more." The weak typing was what made it interesting to me when i first encountered it, so long ago; I guess I was trying to imply a cheerful question, please share what aspects Perl used to have, that aren't fun any more? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ironicface at earthlink.net Sun May 12 10:25:44 2013 From: ironicface at earthlink.net (ironicface at earthlink.net) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 12:25:44 -0500 (GMT-05:00) Subject: [Kc] PHP guys? Message-ID: <7624816.1368379544670.JavaMail.root@elwamui-norfolk.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sterling at hanenkamp.com Sun May 12 18:45:19 2013 From: sterling at hanenkamp.com (Sterling Hanenkamp) Date: Sun, 12 May 2013 20:45:19 -0500 Subject: [Kc] PHP guys? In-Reply-To: References: <518D54B7.7090706@earthlink.net> Message-ID: On May 12, 2013 11:58 AM, "David Nicol" wrote: > > > > On Sun, May 12, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Stephen Clouse wrote: >> >> http://me.veekun.com/blog/2012/04/09/php-a-fractal-of-bad-design/ > > > That is an excellent rant. PHP appears to have been optimized for bureaucratic embedding. The "PHP guy" sets something up that sort of works, and then remains there extending it for years and years. So is there an alternative to simply ignoring the many job postings looking for PHP-competent hackers? Offer to rewrite the PHP stuff in something else? By tomorrow? Not practical. That blog is by a (former) Perl hacker, also known as eevee, who used to work for a company with which I am quite familiar (hint, hint). I believe he primarily writes Python for Yelp these days. He's very sharp, despite his Pokemon obsession. I general don't like to get into language flame wars, but I will say that I quit taking jobs on the side doing PHP. I just don't enjoy working with it for many of the reasons eevee lays out on his blog. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidnicol at gmail.com Wed May 29 19:00:52 2013 From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 21:00:52 -0500 Subject: [Kc] still unemployed Message-ID: Is "every three weeks" a good maximum for such notices? Please discuss -- You've got to wiggle before you can crawl From jay at jays.net Wed May 29 19:06:32 2013 From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah) Date: Wed, 29 May 2013 21:06:32 -0500 Subject: [Kc] still unemployed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1C1F9BEC-299D-4E7F-8566-7C954DEA2E2C@jays.net> On May 29, 2013, at 9:00 PM, David Nicol wrote: > Is "every three weeks" a good maximum for such notices? Please discuss (We're not currently hiring for Perl/admin, sorry.) You're welcome to join and post your resume to omaha.pm.org if you might be relocatable. Similarly, olug.org is an excellent resource for Linux in the Omaha area. All the best, j omaha.pm.org / odlug.org