From amoore at mooresystems.com Wed Apr 6 08:08:56 2011 From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:08:56 -0500 Subject: [Kc] April meeting: Tuesday the 12th Message-ID: Hi KC perlers - The second Tuesday of April is coming up on the 12th. It's time to get together again to chat about perl projects, local employment, and whatever else comes to mind. How many folks think they can make it? Just a reminder, our meetings are regularly scheduled for the 2nd Tuesday of each month and typically happen at Barley's in Shawnee at 7pm. A handful of us grab a few hightop tables and spend an hour or two informally chatting about items of interest to local programmers. New folks are always encouraged to attend. Just look for the group of nerds in the back room with the pool tables and games. -Andy From funkyshu at dark-linux.com Wed Apr 6 08:28:59 2011 From: funkyshu at dark-linux.com (John Judd) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:28:59 -0500 Subject: [Kc] April meeting: Tuesday the 12th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I hope to make it again, maybe with a couple of other Lawrence people. John On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Andrew Moore wrote: > Hi KC perlers - > > The second Tuesday of April is coming up on the 12th. It's time to get > together again to chat about perl projects, local employment, and > whatever else comes to mind. How many folks think they can make it? > > Just a reminder, our meetings are regularly scheduled for the 2nd > Tuesday of each month and typically happen at Barley's in Shawnee at > 7pm. A handful of us grab a few hightop tables and spend an hour or > two informally chatting about items of interest to local programmers. > New folks are always encouraged to attend. Just look for the group of > nerds in the back room with the pool tables and games. > > -Andy > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From djgoku at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 08:50:29 2011 From: djgoku at gmail.com (Jonathan Otsuka) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 10:50:29 -0500 Subject: [Kc] April meeting: Tuesday the 12th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <551CD7AB-0411-44AF-994E-08031B1E21F9@gmail.com> I may be an hour or so late but plan on attending. Jonathan Otsuka On Apr 6, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Andrew Moore wrote: > Hi KC perlers - > > The second Tuesday of April is coming up on the 12th. It's time to get > together again to chat about perl projects, local employment, and > whatever else comes to mind. How many folks think they can make it? > > Just a reminder, our meetings are regularly scheduled for the 2nd > Tuesday of each month and typically happen at Barley's in Shawnee at > 7pm. A handful of us grab a few hightop tables and spend an hour or > two informally chatting about items of interest to local programmers. > New folks are always encouraged to attend. Just look for the group of > nerds in the back room with the pool tables and games. > > -Andy > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc From funkyshu at dark-linux.com Thu Apr 7 09:53:05 2011 From: funkyshu at dark-linux.com (John Judd) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 11:53:05 -0500 Subject: [Kc] Object system Message-ID: Saw this and thought only PM folks would understand it, let alone find it funny. Hopefully it doesn't get marked as spam. http://i.imgur.com/AKUiT.jpg -John Judd -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidnicol at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 10:16:00 2011 From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 12:16:00 -0500 Subject: [Kc] Object system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: "toot the blessed hash" jokes are about as funny as eunichs jokes. What film are the stills from? The driver is "the rock" right? Who's the passenger? On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:53 AM, John Judd wrote: > http://i.imgur.com/AKUiT.jpg -- the kansas city go club thursday night meeting has moved to Borders at 119th and Strang Line. http://www.borders.com/online/store/StoreDetailView_373 From sterling at hanenkamp.com Thu Apr 7 10:20:46 2011 From: sterling at hanenkamp.com (Sterling Hanenkamp) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 12:20:46 -0500 Subject: [Kc] Object system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Buahaha! So true... I should see if the perl-documentation project has any plans to correct that particular deficiency. The movie is Race to Witch Mountain. Do not recommend. On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:16 PM, David Nicol wrote: > "toot the blessed hash" jokes are about as funny as eunichs jokes. > > What film are the stills from? The driver is "the rock" right? Who's > the passenger? > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 11:53 AM, John Judd > wrote: > > http://i.imgur.com/AKUiT.jpg > > -- > the kansas city go club thursday night meeting has moved to Borders at > 119th and Strang Line. > http://www.borders.com/online/store/StoreDetailView_373 > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc > -- Andrew Sterling Hanenkamp sterling at hanenkamp.com 785.370.4454 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidnicol at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 10:29:05 2011 From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 12:29:05 -0500 Subject: [Kc] Object system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: is it a deficiency? Are you going to bowdlerize "pipe" out of command line terminology too while you're at it? WORKSFORME NOTABUG DONTFIX On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Sterling Hanenkamp wrote: > Buahaha! So true... I should see if the perl-documentation project has any > plans to correct that particular deficiency. > The movie is Race to Witch Mountain. Do not recommend. > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:16 PM, David Nicol wrote: >> >> "toot the blessed hash" jokes From stephenclouse at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 10:49:45 2011 From: stephenclouse at gmail.com (Stephen Clouse) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 12:49:45 -0500 Subject: [Kc] Object system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Sterling Hanenkamp wrote: > I should see if the perl-documentation project has any plans to correct > that particular deficiency. > There was a wickedly long thread on p5p just recently: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/2011/02/msg169627.html which started with "why not just tell them to use Moose/Class::Accessor/et al" which got immediately countered with "we can't document something that isn't in core". Which is a lot like saying "you should build a house with a hammer, but here we will tell you how to do it by banging rocks together, because we only ship rocks with Perl". -- Stephen Clouse -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sterling at hanenkamp.com Thu Apr 7 10:52:35 2011 From: sterling at hanenkamp.com (Sterling Hanenkamp) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 12:52:35 -0500 Subject: [Kc] Object system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm not suggesting we remove explaining bless. I'm suggesting that in addition to showing someone pipe, we also explain useful pipe-related tools like cat, echo, tee, and xargs. It is a tutorial after all. There's been about 10 years worth of tools to help with bless since that document was written. On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:29 PM, David Nicol wrote: > is it a deficiency? Are you going to bowdlerize "pipe" out of command > line terminology too while you're at it? WORKSFORME NOTABUG DONTFIX > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:20 PM, Sterling Hanenkamp > wrote: > > Buahaha! So true... I should see if the perl-documentation project has > any > > plans to correct that particular deficiency. > > The movie is Race to Witch Mountain. Do not recommend. > > On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:16 PM, David Nicol > wrote: > >> > >> "toot the blessed hash" jokes > -- Andrew Sterling Hanenkamp sterling at hanenkamp.com 785.370.4454 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From davidnicol at gmail.com Thu Apr 7 11:57:20 2011 From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 13:57:20 -0500 Subject: [Kc] Object system In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: so you're saying The Rock looks shocked because the passenger is using neolithic instead of jet age tools, not because he thinks she's talking about drug use? What does Dave Rolsky get out of his project? And why does it need to *replace the existing docs in core* instead of *appear as an additional reference link* ? I'm pretty sure there are already places in the core docs where it says, as it were, "Using rocks is clumsy but works -- you can download a more comfortable hammer here." On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Sterling Hanenkamp wrote: > I'm not suggesting we remove explaining bless. I'm suggesting that in > addition to showing someone pipe, we also explain useful pipe-related tools > like cat, echo, tee, and xargs. It is a tutorial after all. > There's been about 10 years worth of tools to help with bless since that > document was written. Also Stephen Clouse wrote There was a wickedly long thread on p5p just recently: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.perl5.porters/2011/02/msg169627.html which started with "why not just tell them to use Moose/Class::Accessor/et al" which got immediately countered with "we can't document something that isn't in core". Which is a lot like saying "you should build a house with a hammer, but here we will tell you how to do it by banging rocks together, because we only ship rocks with Perl". From amoore at mooresystems.com Tue Apr 12 10:30:21 2011 From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 12:30:21 -0500 Subject: [Kc] April meeting: Tuesday the 12th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Howdy gang - This is just a reminder that the April meeting is tonight. I'll see you guys at 7pm at Barley's in Shawnee. We'll be in the back room (with the pool tables) at a couple of high-tops. -Andy On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Andrew Moore wrote: > Hi KC perlers - > > The second Tuesday of April is coming up on the 12th. It's time to get > together again to chat about perl projects, local employment, and > whatever else comes to mind. How many folks think they can make it? > > Just a reminder, our meetings are regularly scheduled for the 2nd > Tuesday of each month and typically happen at Barley's in Shawnee at > 7pm. A handful of us grab a few hightop tables and spend an hour or > two informally chatting about items of interest to local programmers. > New folks are always encouraged to attend. Just look for the group of > nerds in the back room with the pool tables and games. > > -Andy > From djgoku at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 19:21:57 2011 From: djgoku at gmail.com (Jonathan Otsuka) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 21:21:57 -0500 Subject: [Kc] April meeting: Tuesday the 12th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Did many show up? Sorry I showed up around 8:15ish and was told you guy(s) had just left. Jonathan Otsuka On Apr 12, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Andrew Moore wrote: > Howdy gang - > > This is just a reminder that the April meeting is tonight. I'll see > you guys at 7pm at Barley's in Shawnee. We'll be in the back room > (with the pool tables) at a couple of high-tops. > > -Andy > > > On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Andrew Moore wrote: >> Hi KC perlers - >> >> The second Tuesday of April is coming up on the 12th. It's time to get >> together again to chat about perl projects, local employment, and >> whatever else comes to mind. How many folks think they can make it? >> >> Just a reminder, our meetings are regularly scheduled for the 2nd >> Tuesday of each month and typically happen at Barley's in Shawnee at >> 7pm. A handful of us grab a few hightop tables and spend an hour or >> two informally chatting about items of interest to local programmers. >> New folks are always encouraged to attend. Just look for the group of >> nerds in the back room with the pool tables and games. >> >> -Andy >> > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc From amoore at mooresystems.com Wed Apr 13 17:13:58 2011 From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2011 19:13:58 -0500 Subject: [Kc] April meeting: Tuesday the 12th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Jonathan - Sorry we missed you. We left shortly after 8. I bet we crossed paths in the parking lot. We all commented that you must have gotten tired and gone to bed after soccer or something. Next month! -Andy On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:21 PM, Jonathan Otsuka wrote: > Did many show up? Sorry I showed up around 8:15ish and was told you guy(s) had just left. > > Jonathan Otsuka > > On Apr 12, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Andrew Moore wrote: > >> Howdy gang - >> >> This is just a reminder that the April meeting is tonight. I'll see >> you guys at 7pm at Barley's in Shawnee. We'll be in the back room >> (with the pool tables) at a couple of high-tops. >> >> -Andy >> >> >> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Andrew Moore wrote: >>> Hi KC perlers - >>> >>> The second Tuesday of April is coming up on the 12th. It's time to get >>> together again to chat about perl projects, local employment, and >>> whatever else comes to mind. How many folks think they can make it? >>> >>> Just a reminder, our meetings are regularly scheduled for the 2nd >>> Tuesday of each month and typically happen at Barley's in Shawnee at >>> 7pm. A handful of us grab a few hightop tables and spend an hour or >>> two informally chatting about items of interest to local programmers. >>> New folks are always encouraged to attend. Just look for the group of >>> nerds in the back room with the pool tables and games. >>> >>> -Andy >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> kc mailing list >> kc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc > From djgoku at gmail.com Sat Apr 16 17:53:45 2011 From: djgoku at gmail.com (Jonathan Otsuka) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 19:53:45 -0500 Subject: [Kc] CRUD Message-ID: <707D66AD-0FBB-4238-8E89-B83E52E3B26E@gmail.com> I am torn on speed of app creation and learning the process. I am still new to building apps with catalyst. And I feel that manually creating CRUD is more work but you know what is going on vs depending on another module. How many use modules that implement CRUD vs manually creating CRUD actions in controllers? Jonathan Otsuka From peter at peknet.com Sat Apr 16 18:39:04 2011 From: peter at peknet.com (Peter Karman) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2011 20:39:04 -0500 Subject: [Kc] CRUD In-Reply-To: <707D66AD-0FBB-4238-8E89-B83E52E3B26E@gmail.com> References: <707D66AD-0FBB-4238-8E89-B83E52E3B26E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4DAA44B8.7010101@peknet.com> Jonathan Otsuka wrote on 4/16/11 7:53 PM: > I am torn on speed of app creation and learning the process. I am still new > to building apps with catalyst. And I feel that manually creating CRUD is > more work but you know what is going on vs depending on another module. How > many use modules that implement CRUD vs manually creating CRUD actions in > controllers? > +1 for the former. I wrote (and use) CatalystX::CRUD because I was/am tired of re-inventing basic CRUD actions all the time. I wrote (and use) Rose::DBx::Garden::Catalyst because I was tired of writing the same basic code patterns all the time. http://wiki.catalystframework.org/wiki/gettingstarted/howtos/build_a_database-driven_website_quickly http://www.catalystframework.org/calendar/2007/7 RDBO isn't for everyone. DBIC certainly has more (vocal anyway) adherents. And RDGC and CXC presume that you want a certain kind of CRUD app that is infinitely flexible, at the cost of some added complexity and number of files. There are other good CRUD frameworks built on top of Catalyst. And I know many folks roll their own, mostly so they can understand how it works and because they have a particular vision for the architecture. I read somewhere once that it's a rite of passage to write all your own code so that you can learn how it works, and then having earned that education, the first step becomes asking "what has CPAN got already?" instead. That was true for me. That's the point at which I started contributing to CPAN too. So I think it's good to do things the long, manual way, especially at first, because having earned that inner knowledge, you can truly feel the gratitude at being able to just type 'cpan install File::Slurp' instead of writing your own read_file() over and over. Call it Earned Laziness. -- Peter Karman . http://peknet.com/ . peter at peknet.com From jhannah at mutationgrid.com Sun Apr 17 06:53:19 2011 From: jhannah at mutationgrid.com (Jay Hannah) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 08:53:19 -0500 Subject: [Kc] CRUD In-Reply-To: <707D66AD-0FBB-4238-8E89-B83E52E3B26E@gmail.com> References: <707D66AD-0FBB-4238-8E89-B83E52E3B26E@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Apr 16, 2011, at 7:53 PM, Jonathan Otsuka wrote: > I am torn on speed of app creation and learning the process. I am still new to building apps with catalyst. And I feel that manually creating CRUD is more work but you know what is going on vs depending on another module. How many use modules that implement CRUD vs manually creating CRUD actions in controllers? Do both. :) For modern sexy wow "it just works!" I recommend this one nowadays: http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?Catalyst::Plugin::AutoCRUD Then you poke around, learn how it works, modify its output, and/or modify it to be your own CRUD engine. :) Jay Hannah Software Architect jhannah at mutationgrid.com | http://mutationgrid.com | 1-402-598-7782 From davidnicol at gmail.com Thu Apr 28 14:42:29 2011 From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 16:42:29 -0500 Subject: [Kc] Regular call for software engineering assistance Message-ID: Who would like to help with my project? I'm still looking for someone who would enjoy regularly hanging out and coding on Sunday afternoons, including discussion of architecture, starting with what I've already got set up. No this is not an employment offer -- there's no budget for that yet. From ironicface at earthlink.net Thu Apr 28 15:10:31 2011 From: ironicface at earthlink.net (Teal) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:10:31 -0500 Subject: [Kc] Regular call for software engineering assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4DB9E5D7.9020304@earthlink.net> On 4/28/2011 4:42 PM, David Nicol wrote: > Who would like to help with my project? > > I'm still looking for someone who would enjoy regularly hanging out > and coding on Sunday afternoons, including discussion of architecture, > starting with what I've already got set up. > > No this is not an employment offer -- there's no budget for that yet. > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc > As always, I am willing to participate. And too, sometimes I am busy on Sunday. But not all Sundays. Teal From jamithireddy at gmail.com Thu Apr 28 15:25:12 2011 From: jamithireddy at gmail.com (jamithireddy ramakrishna) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:25:12 -0500 Subject: [Kc] Regular call for software engineering assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi , I'm interested in participating your project. --JV. On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 4:42 PM, David Nicol wrote: > Who would like to help with my project? > > I'm still looking for someone who would enjoy regularly hanging out > and coding on Sunday afternoons, including discussion of architecture, > starting with what I've already got set up. > > No this is not an employment offer -- there's no budget for that yet. > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc > From jamithireddy at gmail.com Thu Apr 28 15:25:12 2011 From: jamithireddy at gmail.com (jamithireddy ramakrishna) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 17:25:12 -0500 Subject: [Kc] Regular call for software engineering assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi , I'm interested in participating your project. --JV. On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 4:42 PM, David Nicol wrote: > Who would like to help with my project? > > I'm still looking for someone who would enjoy regularly hanging out > and coding on Sunday afternoons, including discussion of architecture, > starting with what I've already got set up. > > No this is not an employment offer -- there's no budget for that yet. > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc > From davidnicol at gmail.com Thu Apr 28 16:06:12 2011 From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 18:06:12 -0500 Subject: [Kc] Regular call for software engineering assistance In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: whoops! please reply directly; mucking up these public forums with the business of one enterprise is poor form.