From amoore at mooresystems.com  Fri Dec  3 13:06:24 2010
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 15:06:24 -0600
Subject: [Kc] December meeting
Message-ID: <AANLkTinMR8k8bQMsO9+vyzs9GDN3R9Rjp+mPyy5E_gen@mail.gmail.com>

Hi KC PMers -

We traditionally cancel the December meeting. It would be this
Tuesday, the 8th. Anyone interested in getting together, or shall we
cancel and start fresh in 2011?

-Andy

From davidnicol at gmail.com  Sun Dec  5 14:07:20 2010
From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2010 16:07:20 -0600
Subject: [Kc] December meeting
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinMR8k8bQMsO9+vyzs9GDN3R9Rjp+mPyy5E_gen@mail.gmail.com>
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cancel it

From amoore at mooresystems.com  Mon Dec  6 08:10:02 2010
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2010 10:10:02 -0600
Subject: [Kc] December meeting
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimZU1wPYHp5yR8gThYOjkqPOhw0nbvRtim_F_T0@mail.gmail.com>
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Yep, it sounds like we'd better cancel.

The 2nd Tuesday of January is the 11th. Let's get together then.

Have a good December, gang!

-Andy



On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 4:07 PM, David Nicol <davidnicol at gmail.com> wrote:
> cancel it
> _______________________________________________
> kc mailing list
> kc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc
>

From amoore at mooresystems.com  Mon Dec 13 12:44:58 2010
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 14:44:58 -0600
Subject: [Kc] december meeting cancelled
Message-ID: <AANLkTinEoQPvT3KPc0Co5f7fzUDVhnmrArkb2dVh1Qqe@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder that we've cancelled the December meeting as we do
most years. It's way too cold anyway. So, no meeting tomorrow.

(I erroneously thought it was last week, anyway)

See you in January!

-Andy

From stephenclouse at gmail.com  Fri Dec 17 14:20:33 2010
From: stephenclouse at gmail.com (Stephen Clouse)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:20:33 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Event Daemons in Perl
Message-ID: <AANLkTin88e6Mb5KTdHG=mh0TJDxx4+j3kgMfSpMuTidZ@mail.gmail.com>

A question for you all....

I have the upcoming task of rebuilding an awful piece of software here,
which is a network daemon that also fires off some scheduled events
(cron-style).  We clearly want to rebuild this in Perl, so we can leverage
our existing components (like our DBIx::Class schema and business logic).

So what is the Modern Perl method for building such an application?  I know
POE has been out there for ages, but is POE still considered the state of
the art in this realm of Perl?  Is there anything else worth considering?
(Anything that's built in Moose gets bonus points.)

-- 
Stephen Clouse <stephenclouse at gmail.com>
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From paul.millard at gmail.com  Fri Dec 17 14:26:20 2010
From: paul.millard at gmail.com (Paul Millard)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:26:20 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Event Daemons in Perl
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin88e6Mb5KTdHG=mh0TJDxx4+j3kgMfSpMuTidZ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin88e6Mb5KTdHG=mh0TJDxx4+j3kgMfSpMuTidZ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin+hXqKnAa1s-N+_0AsbppeHVwY0kMYtyojMs84@mail.gmail.com>

Here's a few ideas:

http://search.cpan.org/~kixx/Catalyst-Engine-JobQueue-POE-0.0.3/lib/Catalyst/Helper/JobQueue/POE.pm
http://www.catalyzed.org/2009/06/poe-anyevent321-fight.html

Paul

On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Stephen Clouse <stephenclouse at gmail.com>wrote:

> A question for you all....
>
> I have the upcoming task of rebuilding an awful piece of software here,
> which is a network daemon that also fires off some scheduled events
> (cron-style).  We clearly want to rebuild this in Perl, so we can leverage
> our existing components (like our DBIx::Class schema and business logic).
>
> So what is the Modern Perl method for building such an application?  I know
> POE has been out there for ages, but is POE still considered the state of
> the art in this realm of Perl?  Is there anything else worth considering?
> (Anything that's built in Moose gets bonus points.)
>
> --
> Stephen Clouse <stephenclouse at gmail.com>
>
> _______________________________________________
> kc mailing list
> kc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc
>
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From stephenclouse at gmail.com  Mon Dec 20 09:34:59 2010
From: stephenclouse at gmail.com (Stephen Clouse)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 11:34:59 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Event Daemons in Perl
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin+hXqKnAa1s-N+_0AsbppeHVwY0kMYtyojMs84@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTin88e6Mb5KTdHG=mh0TJDxx4+j3kgMfSpMuTidZ@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin+hXqKnAa1s-N+_0AsbppeHVwY0kMYtyojMs84@mail.gmail.com>
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Not too long after I sent that first email, I stumbled upon this:

http://search.cpan.org/~rcaputo/Reflex-0.085/lib/Reflex.pm

The POE maintainer's effort at a Moose version of POE.  Conveniently it can
import POE classes as well.

-- 
Stephen Clouse <stephenclouse at gmail.com>
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From jhannah at mutationgrid.com  Mon Dec 20 10:42:46 2010
From: jhannah at mutationgrid.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 12:42:46 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Event Daemons in Perl
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=L1TmBsEFWT=UqWuB3yTbRwDnjJMn6xKU=cSGr@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <716F3C03-DA5A-40A1-8218-2CD1D84EDB0C@mutationgrid.com>

On Dec 20, 2010, at 11:34 AM, Stephen Clouse wrote:
> Not too long after I sent that first email, I stumbled upon this:
> 
> http://search.cpan.org/~rcaputo/Reflex-0.085/lib/Reflex.pm
> 
> The POE maintainer's effort at a Moose version of POE.  Conveniently it can import POE classes as well.

If you implement that be sure to let us know how it goes.  :)

I maintain MooseX::Workers, a very Moose-ified POE::Wheel::Run.  https://github.com/jhannah/moosex-workers

Catalyst Moose-ified its internals in the 5.80 series. Development of that line began in Oct 2008.

BioPerl Moose-ified is called "Biome." Looks like it's gone stale:  https://github.com/cjfields/biome

Moose the world!   :)

Jay Hannah
Software Architect
jhannah at mutationgrid.com | http://mutationgrid.com | 1-402-598-7782






From stephenclouse at gmail.com  Mon Dec 20 11:16:25 2010
From: stephenclouse at gmail.com (Stephen Clouse)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:16:25 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Event Daemons in Perl
In-Reply-To: <716F3C03-DA5A-40A1-8218-2CD1D84EDB0C@mutationgrid.com>
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On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Jay Hannah <jhannah at mutationgrid.com>wrote:

> Catalyst Moose-ified its internals in the 5.80 series. Development of that
> line began in Oct 2008.
>

Already using Catamoose :)


> Moose the world!   :)
>

I heartily endorse this event or product.

After using Moose heavily for a year, "plain old" Perl OO makes me want to
eviscerate myself with something involving a machete and a food processor.

-- 
Stephen Clouse <stephenclouse at gmail.com>
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From jhannah at mutationgrid.com  Mon Dec 20 11:29:31 2010
From: jhannah at mutationgrid.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 13:29:31 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Event Daemons in Perl
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim2vx6w31+T6un1-7xPOXRHffx+FGV8-pN55mF7@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <40DB952B-DF48-4937-84D3-919ED09DFA7D@mutationgrid.com>

On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Stephen Clouse wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Jay Hannah <jhannah at mutationgrid.com> wrote:
> Catalyst Moose-ified its internals in the 5.80 series. Development of that line began in Oct 2008.
> 
> Already using Catamoose :)

Is that a project name I've missed? Or a meme I'm already using?   :)

> After using Moose heavily for a year, "plain old" Perl OO makes me want to eviscerate myself with something involving a machete and a food processor.

I still use Damian Conway OO Perl (Manning http://www.manning.com/conway/) techniques when an entire system is 100 lines or less.  At real or predicted total size of project exceeding 100 lines of source code the Moose is my co-pilot.   :)

P.S.  Why is this mailing list set to "Reply to author?"   Isn't "Reply to list" vastly superior?

Jay Hannah
Software Architect
jhannah at mutationgrid.com | http://mutationgrid.com | 1-402-598-7782





From sterling at hanenkamp.com  Mon Dec 20 13:25:53 2010
From: sterling at hanenkamp.com (Sterling Hanenkamp)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:25:53 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Event Daemons in Perl
In-Reply-To: <40DB952B-DF48-4937-84D3-919ED09DFA7D@mutationgrid.com>
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(Thanks Jay for your backhanded method of pointing out that I previously
clicked Reply instead of Reply to All. :-p I dislike having to remember to
click Reply to all on just this list.)

I've used POE. I have heard of Reflex, but not used it. At work, we recently
rolled our own system using a messaging server and a completely new code
base.

I have also used AnyEvent recently. It provides a system for building event
loops, but can use other event loop systems such as POE, EV, Glib, etc. for
the actual engine that drives the system. That may lead you to other event
loops you might consider.

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Jay Hannah <jhannah at mutationgrid.com>wrote:

> On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:16 PM, Stephen Clouse wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Jay Hannah <jhannah at mutationgrid.com>
> wrote:
> > Catalyst Moose-ified its internals in the 5.80 series. Development of
> that line began in Oct 2008.
> >
> > Already using Catamoose :)
>
> Is that a project name I've missed? Or a meme I'm already using?   :)
>
> > After using Moose heavily for a year, "plain old" Perl OO makes me want
> to eviscerate myself with something involving a machete and a food
> processor.
>
> I still use Damian Conway OO Perl (Manning http://www.manning.com/conway/)
> techniques when an entire system is 100 lines or less.  At real or predicted
> total size of project exceeding 100 lines of source code the Moose is my
> co-pilot.   :)
>
> P.S.  Why is this mailing list set to "Reply to author?"   Isn't "Reply to
> list" vastly superior?
>
> Jay Hannah
> Software Architect
> jhannah at mutationgrid.com | http://mutationgrid.com | 1-402-598-7782
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> kc mailing list
> kc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc
>



-- 
Andrew Sterling Hanenkamp
sterling at hanenkamp.com
785.370.4454
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From amoore at mooresystems.com  Mon Dec 20 13:30:27 2010
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:30:27 -0600
Subject: [Kc] reply-to munging
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=nEqXQ3976fJFnOTE8yV36i+BGV+a90mwShHTs@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Jay Hannah <jhannah at mutationgrid.com> wrote:
> P.S. ?Why is this mailing list set to "Reply to author?" ? Isn't "Reply to list" vastly superior?

I guess I never really noticed that before before. I think I can
change that in the mailman settings. Any objections to making that
change?

-Andy

From jhannah at mutationgrid.com  Mon Dec 20 13:53:54 2010
From: jhannah at mutationgrid.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 15:53:54 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Event Daemons in Perl
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On Dec 20, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Sterling Hanenkamp wrote:
> (Thanks Jay for your backhanded method of pointing out that I previously clicked Reply instead of Reply to All. :-p I dislike having to remember to click Reply to all on just this list.)

Backhanded?

My apologies if I've offended. I didn't intend to comment on anyone's email(s) except my own.

Jay Hannah
Software Architect
jhannah at mutationgrid.com | http://mutationgrid.com | 1-402-598-7782






From sterling at hanenkamp.com  Mon Dec 20 14:36:48 2010
From: sterling at hanenkamp.com (Sterling Hanenkamp)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:36:48 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Event Daemons in Perl
In-Reply-To: <3BF34428-B869-4C6C-9962-2CD1C26C17B0@mutationgrid.com>
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I only meant "backhanded" to mean "indirect". You backhanded me in the
process of frontal slapping the mailing list configuration. :-p

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Jay Hannah <jhannah at mutationgrid.com>wrote:

> On Dec 20, 2010, at 3:25 PM, Sterling Hanenkamp wrote:
> > (Thanks Jay for your backhanded method of pointing out that I previously
> clicked Reply instead of Reply to All. :-p I dislike having to remember to
> click Reply to all on just this list.)
>
> Backhanded?
>
> My apologies if I've offended. I didn't intend to comment on anyone's
> email(s) except my own.
>
> Jay Hannah
> Software Architect
> jhannah at mutationgrid.com | http://mutationgrid.com | 1-402-598-7782
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> kc mailing list
> kc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc
>



-- 
Andrew Sterling Hanenkamp
sterling at hanenkamp.com
785.370.4454
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From jhannah at mutationgrid.com  Mon Dec 20 15:38:33 2010
From: jhannah at mutationgrid.com (Jay Hannah)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:38:33 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Event Daemons in Perl
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On Dec 20, 2010, at 4:36 PM, Sterling Hanenkamp wrote:
> I only meant "backhanded" to mean "indirect". You backhanded me in the process of frontal slapping the mailing list configuration. :-p

Wow. What a violent bastard I am. My shrink better up my meds.   :)

But it is true: That particular MailMan configuration setting will be the first against the wall when the revolution comes. Or someone could click that little radio button and press "Save". Or they could email support at pm.org which would send me an email and I could do that for them.

Hmm... Scratch the last option. I'm feeling violent AND lazy.   :)

Jay Hannah
Software Architect
jhannah at mutationgrid.com | http://mutationgrid.com | 1-402-598-7782






From don.ellis at gmail.com  Tue Dec 21 03:11:17 2010
From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 05:11:17 -0600
Subject: [Kc] reply-to munging
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=nEqXQ3976fJFnOTE8yV36i+BGV+a90mwShHTs@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Andrew Moore <amoore at mooresystems.com>wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Jay Hannah <jhannah at mutationgrid.com>
> wrote:
> > P.S.  Why is this mailing list set to "Reply to author?"   Isn't "Reply
> to list" vastly superior?
>
> I guess I never really noticed that before before. I think I can
> change that in the mailman settings. Any objections to making that
> change?
>
> -Andy
>
> I thought we had commented on this some time ago. I agree that "reply to
list" makes much more sense.

--Don Ellis
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From andy at petdance.com  Tue Dec 21 07:40:58 2010
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:40:58 -0600
Subject: [Kc] reply-to munging
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On Dec 21, 2010, at 5:11 AM, Don Ellis wrote:

> I thought we had commented on this some time ago. 

Every mailing list that involves computer people has had this discussion at least once in the past.  Thrice if Randal is on it.

xoxo,
Andy

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.techworklove.com => AIM:petdance






From amoore at mooresystems.com  Tue Dec 21 07:57:43 2010
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2010 09:57:43 -0600
Subject: [Kc] reply-to munging
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=Mv4Fpc0_7yhW5aP1dE=TKBTwYM=EVhGCmPCL3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=nEqXQ3976fJFnOTE8yV36i+BGV+a90mwShHTs@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=Mv4Fpc0_7yhW5aP1dE=TKBTwYM=EVhGCmPCL3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=zadvyqQ72mpNDBMOcqgUWwXjawAuu3Q7px8j_@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 5:11 AM, Don Ellis <don.ellis at gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought we had commented on this some time ago. I agree that "reply to
> list" makes much more sense.

OK. I'll consider that consensus that we should change. I've "flipped
the bit" and so this email should have the reply-to header set right,
I think.

Cheers,
-Andy

From don.ellis at gmail.com  Wed Dec 22 15:20:46 2010
From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis)
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:20:46 -0600
Subject: [Kc] reply-to munging
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=zadvyqQ72mpNDBMOcqgUWwXjawAuu3Q7px8j_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=nEqXQ3976fJFnOTE8yV36i+BGV+a90mwShHTs@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=Mv4Fpc0_7yhW5aP1dE=TKBTwYM=EVhGCmPCL3@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=zadvyqQ72mpNDBMOcqgUWwXjawAuu3Q7px8j_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=YCx9cg-1BNmApucJYBQJVvRT389KNu_bindd3@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like it's fixed now. I'll continue to complain if I see it on another
list. To the other list, that is.

--Don Ellis


On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Andrew Moore <amoore at mooresystems.com>wrote:

> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 5:11 AM, Don Ellis <don.ellis at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I thought we had commented on this some time ago. I agree that "reply to
> > list" makes much more sense.
>
> OK. I'll consider that consensus that we should change. I've "flipped
> the bit" and so this email should have the reply-to header set right,
> I think.
>
> Cheers,
> -Andy
>
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From davidnicol at gmail.com  Sun Dec 26 11:55:25 2010
From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 13:55:25 -0600
Subject: [Kc] New business: motion to change settings
Message-ID: <AANLkTimf8Wok9aiaJo_XpvkyE0UyudjEm4_mC2Jm8YJp@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Jay Hannah railed against the status
quo in such a way that it could only be interpreted as a motion to
effect an alteration of the settings of the mailing list kc at pm.org,
from "reply to sender" to "reply to list"

I will execute this task item after seeing a majority voice vote or
mailing list equivalent.

who is in favor? (yea == change ; nay == don't change )

From ironicface at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 26 12:05:30 2010
From: ironicface at earthlink.net (ironicface at earthlink.net)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 14:05:30 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Subject: [Kc] New business: motion to change settings
Message-ID: <9698571.1293393931161.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Ummmm ... I think the railery has already produced a shifting in the Universe.


>
>On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Jay Hannah railed against the status
>quo in such a way that it could only be interpreted as a motion to
>effect an alteration of the settings of the mailing list kc at pm.org,
>from "reply to sender" to "reply to list"
>
>I will execute this task item after seeing a majority voice vote or
>mailing list equivalent.
>
>who is in favor? (yea == change ; nay == don't change )
>_______________________________________________
>kc mailing list
>kc at pm.org
>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc


From amoore at mooresystems.com  Sun Dec 26 14:18:16 2010
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 16:18:16 -0600
Subject: [Kc] New business: motion to change settings
In-Reply-To: <9698571.1293393931161.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
References: <9698571.1293393931161.JavaMail.root@elwamui-hybrid.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ZtZkaY1C3A=07epLHRcQhZ1yWvdn_40EGGw8A@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 2:05 PM,  <ironicface at earthlink.net> wrote:
> Ummmm ... I think the railery has already produced a shifting in the Universe.

Yep. I counted "some" for, and none against after a couple of days, so
I switched it.

Thanks!
-A

From jmreinke at gmail.com  Sun Dec 26 15:42:05 2010
From: jmreinke at gmail.com (John Reinke)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 17:42:05 -0600
Subject: [Kc] New business: motion to change settings
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimf8Wok9aiaJo_XpvkyE0UyudjEm4_mC2Jm8YJp@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimf8Wok9aiaJo_XpvkyE0UyudjEm4_mC2Jm8YJp@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinqDaJK8ocGNov+bgdjPPkrZNAa3Fwg_3_BKG24@mail.gmail.com>

yea


On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 1:55 PM, David Nicol <davidnicol at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Jay Hannah railed against the status
> quo in such a way that it could only be interpreted as a motion to
> effect an alteration of the settings of the mailing list kc at pm.org,
> from "reply to sender" to "reply to list"
>
> I will execute this task item after seeing a majority voice vote or
> mailing list equivalent.
>
> who is in favor? (yea == change ; nay == don't change )
> _______________________________________________
> kc mailing list
> kc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc
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From alanvoss at gmail.com  Sun Dec 26 17:08:30 2010
From: alanvoss at gmail.com (Alan Voss)
Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 19:08:30 -0600
Subject: [Kc] kc Digest, Vol 86, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1293393608.12598.kc@pm.org>
References: <mailman.1.1293393608.12598.kc@pm.org>
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Yea!

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