From djgoku at gmail.com  Sun Feb  8 20:24:46 2009
From: djgoku at gmail.com (Jonathan Otsuka)
Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2009 22:24:46 -0600
Subject: [Kc] The Perl Review
Message-ID: <9F7D4C98-5E69-416F-A6C1-A58D38F5AD2B@gmail.com>

To get all issues up to and including the current issue go to:

http://www.theperlreview.com/Issues/subscribers.html

Click on an issues image and input username: 'frozenperl' password:  
'gogophers'

Now you can start downloading (PDFs) all the other issues of TPR.

Jonathan

From djgoku at gmail.com  Mon Feb  9 19:11:29 2009
From: djgoku at gmail.com (Jonathan Otsuka)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 21:11:29 -0600
Subject: [Kc] February Meeting
Message-ID: <2CE6FDF8-F01E-45FF-BA9D-19B0121BF436@gmail.com>

I will attend if others are wanting to come. Though I will be a little  
late since my class isn't out until 6:45PM.

Discussion:
Frozen Perl 2009
Perl 6 / Rakudo

Jonathan

From amoore at mooresystems.com  Tue Feb 10 06:01:51 2009
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 08:01:51 -0600
Subject: [Kc] February Meeting
In-Reply-To: <2CE6FDF8-F01E-45FF-BA9D-19B0121BF436@gmail.com>
References: <2CE6FDF8-F01E-45FF-BA9D-19B0121BF436@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6c70d2980902100601w524619fbr4f85763dded04e4b@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds good, Jonathan. See you at Barley's at 7.

I'd like to hear about some of the talks at frozen perl that you heard
that I missed.

-A


On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Jonathan Otsuka <djgoku at gmail.com> wrote:
> I will attend if others are wanting to come. Though I will be a little late
> since my class isn't out until 6:45PM.
>
> Discussion:
> Frozen Perl 2009
> Perl 6 / Rakudo
>
> Jonathan

From ivantis at ivantis.net  Tue Feb 10 20:39:22 2009
From: ivantis at ivantis.net (Ivan Greene)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 22:39:22 -0600
Subject: [Kc] February Meeting
Message-ID: <426c686txbotic8mb63ws149.1234327163079@email.android.com>

You got to go to frozen perl? I might have gone, but I had a boy scout event on the 7th. How was it?

Andrew Moore <amoore at mooresystems.com> wrote:

>Sounds good, Jonathan. See you at Barley's at 7.
>
>I'd like to hear about some of the talks at frozen perl that you heard
>that I missed.
>
>-A
>
>
>On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Jonathan Otsuka <djgoku at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I will attend if others are wanting to come. Though I will be a little late
>> since my class isn't out until 6:45PM.
>>
>> Discussion:
>> Frozen Perl 2009
>> Perl 6 / Rakudo
>>
>> Jonathan
>_______________________________________________
>kc mailing list
>kc at pm.org
>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc
>

From amoore at mooresystems.com  Wed Feb 11 06:35:53 2009
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:35:53 -0600
Subject: [Kc] February Meeting
In-Reply-To: <426c686txbotic8mb63ws149.1234327163079@email.android.com>
References: <426c686txbotic8mb63ws149.1234327163079@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <6c70d2980902110635u5877bac1s745aaa16a72d9a5@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Ivan Greene <ivantis at ivantis.net> wrote:
> You got to go to frozen perl? I might have gone, but I had a boy scout event on the 7th. How was it?

I thought it was great. I wrote up a bit on it at:

http://andrewmoore.com/public/index.php/What_I_learned_at_Frozen_Perl_2009

I'll put together something on some of the specific stuff I learned
for the March meeting. I think Jonathan is intending to as well.

-Andy

From djgoku at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 07:49:08 2009
From: djgoku at gmail.com (djgoku)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 09:49:08 -0600
Subject: [Kc] February Meeting
In-Reply-To: <426c686txbotic8mb63ws149.1234327163079@email.android.com>
References: <426c686txbotic8mb63ws149.1234327163079@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <99dd19c90902110749r222abdcdk75aa91b754092e0c@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 10:39 PM, Ivan Greene <ivantis at ivantis.net> wrote:
> You got to go to frozen perl? I might have gone, but I had a boy scout event on the 7th. How was it?

Being it was my first conference it was pretty awesome. I took the
Mastering Perl class that brian d foy taught on Friday which had a lot
of content very quickly. The actually conference was kind of crazy
moving back between rooms to listen to talks that interested  you.
Most of the slides are available at:
http://www.frozen-perl.org/mpw2009/wiki?node=Slides

The city was totally awesome! Got to stay in the heart of downtown in
Minneapolis. Didn't get to venture much other than downtown and around
the Alumni Center. The locals/organizers were great too. Got to meet
brian d foy, jrockway.

Members I know attended: Andrew Moore, James Carman, and I

Jonathan

From davidnicol at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 09:45:32 2009
From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:45:32 -0600
Subject: [Kc] February Meeting Devel:;REPL
Message-ID: <934f64a20902110945r4d73bc9bl6aa197f791ab62cf@mail.gmail.com>

What's the advantage of Devel::REPL over using the command line
switches to make your own REPL?

  perl -nle 'print eval $_'

Well, that won't buffer open curlies, so that's one thing.  Does
Devel::REPL gracefully handle scoping and open contexts and stuff like
that?

From davidnicol at gmail.com  Wed Feb 11 10:57:10 2009
From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:57:10 -0600
Subject: [Kc] another devel::REPL q
Message-ID: <934f64a20902111057t157c8d66k1f9b23413c9ea7a1@mail.gmail.com>

When using REPL, does the cursor change to indicate void/scalar/array contex?




-- 
I am running for a position on the X.org foundation BOD and would
appreciate your vote

From amoore at mooresystems.com  Wed Feb 11 10:54:59 2009
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 12:54:59 -0600
Subject: [Kc] February Meeting Devel:;REPL
In-Reply-To: <934f64a20902110945r4d73bc9bl6aa197f791ab62cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <934f64a20902110945r4d73bc9bl6aa197f791ab62cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6c70d2980902111054g19b51f22k8a3b0194974bc803@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM, David Nicol <davidnicol at gmail.com> wrote:
> What's the advantage of Devel::REPL over using the command line
> switches to make your own REPL?
>
>  perl -nle 'print eval $_'
>
> Well, that won't buffer open curlies, so that's one thing.  Does
> Devel::REPL gracefully handle scoping and open contexts and stuff like
> that?

Yeah, it does this a lot better:

amoore at titan:~$ perl -nle 'print eval $_'
my $foo = 5;
5
$foo++
0

-A

From sterling at hanenkamp.com  Wed Feb 11 14:32:40 2009
From: sterling at hanenkamp.com (Sterling Hanenkamp)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 16:32:40 -0600
Subject: [Kc] February Meeting Devel:;REPL
In-Reply-To: <6c70d2980902111054g19b51f22k8a3b0194974bc803@mail.gmail.com>
References: <934f64a20902110945r4d73bc9bl6aa197f791ab62cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<6c70d2980902111054g19b51f22k8a3b0194974bc803@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c185b40e0902111432h1c1d7eabvbd8e87c71561f9c8@mail.gmail.com>

You also get readline support so you can use arrow keys to go back to a
previous line and edit. You have a configurable prompt. It automatically
dumps the value of the current expression. You can configure tab completion
and a number of other plugins as well. You can also write plugins if you
want to extend the interface for some reason, so you haven't lost anything
other than having to spend some time learning how to write plugins for it.

Cheers,
Sterling

On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Andrew Moore <amoore at mooresystems.com>wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 11:45 AM, David Nicol <davidnicol at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > What's the advantage of Devel::REPL over using the command line
> > switches to make your own REPL?
> >
> >  perl -nle 'print eval $_'
> >
> > Well, that won't buffer open curlies, so that's one thing.  Does
> > Devel::REPL gracefully handle scoping and open contexts and stuff like
> > that?
>
> Yeah, it does this a lot better:
>
> amoore at titan:~$ perl -nle 'print eval $_'
> my $foo = 5;
> 5
> $foo++
> 0
>
> -A
> _______________________________________________
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> kc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc
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From davidnicol at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 09:10:45 2009
From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:10:45 -0600
Subject: [Kc] February Meeting Devel:;REPL
In-Reply-To: <c185b40e0902111432h1c1d7eabvbd8e87c71561f9c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <934f64a20902110945r4d73bc9bl6aa197f791ab62cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<6c70d2980902111054g19b51f22k8a3b0194974bc803@mail.gmail.com>
	<c185b40e0902111432h1c1d7eabvbd8e87c71561f9c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <934f64a20902120910y22f4ed3ctde4446fe98071e3c@mail.gmail.com>

i wonder how it interacts with source filters

From jay at jays.net  Thu Feb 12 11:09:31 2009
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 13:09:31 -0600
Subject: [Kc] February Meeting Devel:;REPL
In-Reply-To: <c185b40e0902111432h1c1d7eabvbd8e87c71561f9c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <934f64a20902110945r4d73bc9bl6aa197f791ab62cf@mail.gmail.com>	<6c70d2980902111054g19b51f22k8a3b0194974bc803@mail.gmail.com>
	<c185b40e0902111432h1c1d7eabvbd8e87c71561f9c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <499473EB.9060702@jays.net>

Sterling Hanenkamp wrote:
> You also get readline support so you can use arrow keys to go back to a
> previous line and edit. You have a configurable prompt. It automatically
> dumps the value of the current expression. You can configure tab completion
> and a number of other plugins as well. You can also write plugins if you
> want to extend the interface for some reason, so you haven't lost anything
> other than having to spend some time learning how to write plugins for it.
>   

Am I the only perl -d addict on this list?

j
Omaha.pm


From jay at jays.net  Thu Feb 12 16:45:00 2009
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 18:45:00 -0600
Subject: [Kc] February Meeting Devel:;REPL
In-Reply-To: <934f64a20902121235j7ea9b54flecd040d1f885b961@mail.gmail.com>
References: <934f64a20902110945r4d73bc9bl6aa197f791ab62cf@mail.gmail.com>	
	<6c70d2980902111054g19b51f22k8a3b0194974bc803@mail.gmail.com>	
	<c185b40e0902111432h1c1d7eabvbd8e87c71561f9c8@mail.gmail.com>	
	<499473EB.9060702@jays.net>
	<934f64a20902121235j7ea9b54flecd040d1f885b961@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4994C28C.1060801@jays.net>

David Nicol wrote:
> so what does -d:REPL do for you?
>
>   
>> Am I the only perl -d addict on this list?
>>     

"Can't locate Devel/REPL.pm in @INC"   :)

   (Yes, I know I could install it.)

I'm just curious if anyone on this list uses the Perl Debugger "perldoc 
perldebug" "perl -d" ...  It's the original "interactive Perl 
environment" and I can't live without it. I'm always surprised that so 
few people seem to use it. Especially when conversations about 
alternatives pop up.

(Devel::NYTProf is also amazing.)

j



From djgoku at gmail.com  Thu Feb 12 20:48:27 2009
From: djgoku at gmail.com (Jonathan Otsuka)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 22:48:27 -0600
Subject: [Kc] February Meeting Devel:;REPL
In-Reply-To: <4994C28C.1060801@jays.net>
References: <934f64a20902110945r4d73bc9bl6aa197f791ab62cf@mail.gmail.com>	
	<6c70d2980902111054g19b51f22k8a3b0194974bc803@mail.gmail.com>	
	<c185b40e0902111432h1c1d7eabvbd8e87c71561f9c8@mail.gmail.com>	
	<499473EB.9060702@jays.net>
	<934f64a20902121235j7ea9b54flecd040d1f885b961@mail.gmail.com>
	<4994C28C.1060801@jays.net>
Message-ID: <21BF8211-6629-4024-B236-2C986204832B@gmail.com>

On Feb 12, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Jay Hannah wrote:

> David Nicol wrote:
>> so what does -d:REPL do for you?
>>
>>
>>> Am I the only perl -d addict on this list?
>>>
>
> "Can't locate Devel/REPL.pm in @INC"   :)
>
>  (Yes, I know I could install it.)
>
> I'm just curious if anyone on this list uses the Perl Debugger  
> "perldoc perldebug" "perl -d" ...  It's the original "interactive  
> Perl environment" and I can't live without it. I'm always surprised  
> that so few people seem to use it. Especially when conversations  
> about alternatives pop up.
>
> (Devel::NYTProf is also amazing.)

perl -d is all I have used. Carp::REPL talk at FP2009 was very very  
neat. I am excited to check it out.

Jonathan

From ivantis at ivantis.net  Thu Feb 12 21:43:25 2009
From: ivantis at ivantis.net (Ivan Greene)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2009 23:43:25 -0600
Subject: [Kc] JPerl for Android OS
Message-ID: <8ka7qmlfcpe6dacjx4hxd4f2.1234503806462@email.android.com>

Has anyone here come across a nice Perl evaluator written in Java? I'm thinking about putting one on the android OS, because I got a G1 in December (early christmas present from my parents :), and Perl on it would be cool. I found one, but it was weird, you had to have beginning/ending code tags like in PHP, and some other stuff.

From popefelix at gmail.com  Fri Feb 13 04:47:08 2009
From: popefelix at gmail.com (Kit Peters)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 06:47:08 -0600
Subject: [Kc] February Meeting Devel:;REPL
In-Reply-To: <21BF8211-6629-4024-B236-2C986204832B@gmail.com>
References: <934f64a20902110945r4d73bc9bl6aa197f791ab62cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<6c70d2980902111054g19b51f22k8a3b0194974bc803@mail.gmail.com>
	<c185b40e0902111432h1c1d7eabvbd8e87c71561f9c8@mail.gmail.com>
	<499473EB.9060702@jays.net>
	<934f64a20902121235j7ea9b54flecd040d1f885b961@mail.gmail.com>
	<4994C28C.1060801@jays.net>
	<21BF8211-6629-4024-B236-2C986204832B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b42465b90902130447o3b3834gb1b7aa3097d4eb1b@mail.gmail.com>

I use perl -d exclusively.  When I want to play with something in
Perl, I'll do perl -d from the command line and control-D out of it.
Note that I tend to like having Bundle::CPAN installed on systems that
I use for that.

On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 22:48, Jonathan Otsuka <djgoku at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Feb 12, 2009, at 6:45 PM, Jay Hannah wrote:
>
>> David Nicol wrote:
>>>
>>> so what does -d:REPL do for you?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Am I the only perl -d addict on this list?
>>>>
>>
>> "Can't locate Devel/REPL.pm in @INC"   :)
>>
>>  (Yes, I know I could install it.)
>>
>> I'm just curious if anyone on this list uses the Perl Debugger "perldoc
>> perldebug" "perl -d" ...  It's the original "interactive Perl environment"
>> and I can't live without it. I'm always surprised that so few people seem to
>> use it. Especially when conversations about alternatives pop up.
>>
>> (Devel::NYTProf is also amazing.)
>
> perl -d is all I have used. Carp::REPL talk at FP2009 was very very neat. I
> am excited to check it out.
>
> Jonathan
> _______________________________________________
> kc mailing list
> kc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc
>



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From jay at jays.net  Fri Feb 13 05:54:44 2009
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 07:54:44 -0600
Subject: [Kc] February Meeting Devel:;REPL
In-Reply-To: <21BF8211-6629-4024-B236-2C986204832B@gmail.com>
References: <934f64a20902110945r4d73bc9bl6aa197f791ab62cf@mail.gmail.com>	
	<6c70d2980902111054g19b51f22k8a3b0194974bc803@mail.gmail.com>	
	<c185b40e0902111432h1c1d7eabvbd8e87c71561f9c8@mail.gmail.com>	
	<499473EB.9060702@jays.net>
	<934f64a20902121235j7ea9b54flecd040d1f885b961@mail.gmail.com>
	<4994C28C.1060801@jays.net>
	<21BF8211-6629-4024-B236-2C986204832B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C2B1F63F-960A-45D6-976C-7A8F3F1BA361@jays.net>

On Feb 12, 2009, at 10:48 PM, Jonathan Otsuka wrote:
> perl -d is all I have used. Carp::REPL talk at FP2009 was very very  
> neat. I am excited to check it out.

Can you post your experience the first time you find it useful? I  
love real-world examples.  :)

On Feb 13, 2009, at 6:47 AM, Kit Peters wrote:
> I use perl -d exclusively.

Hey Kit! How are you? Haven't seen you in #catalyst lately.

j



From davidnicol at gmail.com  Fri Feb 13 10:11:29 2009
From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:11:29 -0600
Subject: [Kc] JPerl for Android OS
In-Reply-To: <8ka7qmlfcpe6dacjx4hxd4f2.1234503806462@email.android.com>
References: <8ka7qmlfcpe6dacjx4hxd4f2.1234503806462@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <934f64a20902131011r49a3dd6dm58dcfc1245317417@mail.gmail.com>

there was "JPL" Java-Perl Lingo which was a way to embed Perl in Java,
I don't know if it has been maintained.

After looking at http://source.android.com/release-features it seems
likely that Perl might just build right using the Bionic libc, if you
can get out of the Dalvik VM.  Or maybe you can jump straight to perl
6 by implementing parrot for the
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_virtual_machine

http://source.android.com/projects does not list "perl" but that might
be because (1) it already works or (2) it's within something else such
as "toolchain" instead of, nobody is working on it.


What happens if you get the development kit and attempt to compile Perl?


On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Ivan Greene <ivantis at ivantis.net> wrote:
> Has anyone here come across a nice Perl evaluator written in Java? I'm thinking about putting one on the android OS, because I got a G1 in December (early christmas present from my parents :), and Perl on it would be cool. I found one, but it was weird, you had to have beginning/ending code tags like in PHP, and some other stuff.




-- 
"I think I am a different person when I speak French." -- Jill Kaufman

From ivantis at ivantis.net  Fri Feb 13 10:33:21 2009
From: ivantis at ivantis.net (Ivan Greene)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 12:33:21 -0600
Subject: [Kc] JPerl for Android OS
Message-ID: <qrp606f1bibwwuu20twlig0v.1234550003111@email.android.com>

Currently, and probably permanently, android only supports Java. There is a project for perl on android, but nothing is there yet.

David Nicol <davidnicol at gmail.com> wrote:

>there was "JPL" Java-Perl Lingo which was a way to embed Perl in Java,
>I don't know if it has been maintained.
>
>After looking at http://source.android.com/release-features it seems
>likely that Perl might just build right using the Bionic libc, if you
>can get out of the Dalvik VM.  Or maybe you can jump straight to perl
>6 by implementing parrot for the
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_virtual_machine
>
>http://source.android.com/projects does not list "perl" but that might
>be because (1) it already works or (2) it's within something else such
>as "toolchain" instead of, nobody is working on it.
>
>
>What happens if you get the development kit and attempt to compile Perl?
>
>
>On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 11:43 PM, Ivan Greene <ivantis at ivantis.net> wrote:
>> Has anyone here come across a nice Perl evaluator written in Java? I'm thinking about putting one on the android OS, because I got a G1 in December (early christmas present from my parents :), and Perl on it would be cool. I found one, but it was weird, you had to have beginning/ending code tags like in PHP, and some other stuff.
>
>
>
>
>-- 
>"I think I am a different person when I speak French." -- Jill Kaufman
>

From davidnicol at gmail.com  Tue Feb 24 06:51:21 2009
From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:51:21 -0600
Subject: [Kc] grand opening week at the CCC hacker's space
Message-ID: <934f64a20902240651g383c45e1k86e54d2b511ff95d@mail.gmail.com>

KCPM is an affiliate organization.

http://wiki.cowtowncomputercongress.org/index.php/GrandOpening


-- 
Freedom's colors are red, white and black and blue.

From amoore at mooresystems.com  Tue Feb 24 07:24:37 2009
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 09:24:37 -0600
Subject: [Kc] grand opening week at the CCC hacker's space
In-Reply-To: <934f64a20902240651g383c45e1k86e54d2b511ff95d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <934f64a20902240651g383c45e1k86e54d2b511ff95d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6c70d2980902240724j2a0277fcmb48407c0758fc67a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David -

Thanks for passing along that news. I'm a bit interested in attending,
but I can't really figure out where it's located or how to get there.
The best I have been able to do is figure out that "There is elevator
access as well as a drive in point for your car" ... "in a cave
complex not far away from 31st street in KCMO." I think I've looked at
just about every page on that wiki.

Digging a bit deeper on their blog, it looks like it's at 3101
Mercier. I happen to know about the underground storage places in that
area, and have been in them a few times. They're vast and confusing
enough that I'm not going unless I can figure out better directions or
something. Do you have any more information on how to get there?

If you make it by there, please let us know how it is.

Thanks!
-Andy



On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:51 AM, David Nicol <davidnicol at gmail.com> wrote:
> KCPM is an affiliate organization.
>
> http://wiki.cowtowncomputercongress.org/index.php/GrandOpening
>

From djgoku at gmail.com  Tue Feb 24 08:09:39 2009
From: djgoku at gmail.com (Jonathan Otsuka)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:09:39 -0600
Subject: [Kc] grand opening week at the CCC hacker's space
In-Reply-To: <6c70d2980902240724j2a0277fcmb48407c0758fc67a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <934f64a20902240651g383c45e1k86e54d2b511ff95d@mail.gmail.com>
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On Feb 24, 2009, at 9:24 AM, Andrew Moore wrote:

> Hi David -
>
> Thanks for passing along that news. I'm a bit interested in attending,
> but I can't really figure out where it's located or how to get there.
> The best I have been able to do is figure out that "There is elevator
> access as well as a drive in point for your car" ... "in a cave
> complex not far away from 31st street in KCMO." I think I've looked at
> just about every page on that wiki.
>
> Digging a bit deeper on their blog, it looks like it's at 3101
> Mercier. I happen to know about the underground storage places in that
> area, and have been in them a few times. They're vast and confusing
> enough that I'm not going unless I can figure out better directions or
> something. Do you have any more information on how to get there?
>
> If you make it by there, please let us know how it is.

31st and Mercier See the tower to the right in the photo? That is an  
elevator shaft. The door should be unlocked until 7PMish. Take the  
elevator to LL (Lower Lobby), once to the LL, turn left and goto room  
404.

Jonathan
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From don.ellis at gmail.com  Tue Feb 24 08:10:30 2009
From: don.ellis at gmail.com (Don Ellis)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 10:10:30 -0600
Subject: [Kc] grand opening week at the CCC hacker's space
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Maybe someone could arrange a van to pick people up, and provide hoods, etc,
to preserve security? ;-)
--Don Ellis

[Sorry I can't be there - sounds like a lot of fun.]



On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:24 AM, Andrew Moore <amoore at mooresystems.com>wrote:

> Hi David -
>
> Thanks for passing along that news. I'm a bit interested in attending,
> but I can't really figure out where it's located or how to get there.
> The best I have been able to do is figure out that "There is elevator
> access as well as a drive in point for your car" ... "in a cave
> complex not far away from 31st street in KCMO." I think I've looked at
> just about every page on that wiki.
>
> Digging a bit deeper on their blog, it looks like it's at 3101
> Mercier. I happen to know about the underground storage places in that
> area, and have been in them a few times. They're vast and confusing
> enough that I'm not going unless I can figure out better directions or
> something. Do you have any more information on how to get there?
>
> If you make it by there, please let us know how it is.
>
> Thanks!
> -Andy
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:51 AM, David Nicol <davidnicol at gmail.com> wrote:
> > KCPM is an affiliate organization.
> >
> > http://wiki.cowtowncomputercongress.org/index.php/GrandOpening
> >
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From jay at jays.net  Thu Feb 26 06:37:29 2009
From: jay at jays.net (Jay Hannah)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 08:37:29 -0600
Subject: [Kc] Fwd: Startup Weekend KC - April 24th - 26th
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I thought some of you might be interested. Went to an Omaha one a  
couple weeks ago that was pretty good.

j


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From: Darby Frey <darby at electricshoes.com>
Date: February 20, 2009 9:40:42 AM CST
To: Darby Frey <darbyfrey at gmail.com>
Subject: Startup Weekend KC - April 24th - 26th

Hey Dudes,

Have you ever heard of Startup Weekend before?  If not, there is more  
info at the end of this message.

Okay, so it sounds pretty cool, right?  Well, I'm part of the group  
that's running the KC event this year, and I thought I'd pass along  
the info so you guys don't miss it.  I've been to two of these now  
(Indianapolis and Seattle) and it's definitely one of the best events  
I've ever been to.

Anyway, here's the details:

Starts - Friday, April 24th @ 6pm
Ends - Sunday, April 26th @ 9pm
Cost - $40 (includes most meals, coffee, redbull, beer, etc.)

The majority of the weekend will be at Enterprise Center of Johnson  
County, 8527 Bluejacket St, Lenexa, KS 66214, and the Sunday night  
presentations will be at the Kauffman Foundation.  You can get more  
details and maps here - http://kansascity.startupweekend.com/

So, check it out and let me know if you have any questions,

--
Darby Frey
Electricshoes
913.231.9424
darby at electricshoes.com
@darbyfrey



Startup Weekend is a 54-hour weekend marathon bringing together  
coders, designers, marketing, biz dev, legal and managers together to  
plan, build and demo a company over a single weekend.  Its an  
entrepreneurial event unlike any other 'conference' you've been too  
before....in other cities, attendees walk out with new ideas,  
contacts, contracts, and some, even a new company. Come to  
StartupWeekend.
So why should you attend StartUp Weekend?

It's an experience unlike any conference you've attended before.   
Over the course of a single weekend, you get to take time out from  
your current venture/business and practice building a new one.  Think  
of it like time off the field.

Many ventures fail on Monday morning, but that's okay, because that's  
not the point. The point is, you learn new skills, processes, coding  
frameworks, legal jargon, business practices, spread sheet programs,  
etc that you can bring back to your current venture.  Startup Weekend  
is a weekend warrior event where anything goes, and practice is  
implied.  You're not judged (unless you judge) and learning is  
paramount.

People who attend the weekend stay in touch, hire each other and form  
new ventures as a result of  'colliding' for 54 hours.  Its an  
awesome three days of networking, team building, coding, business  
planning and pitching (with some added cocktails and food).

What do you have to loose? Register today, we're only accepting the  
first 75 people..

Website: http://kansascity.startupweekend.com

Twitter: @kcsw

Flyer: http://kansascity.startupweekend.com/wp-content/uploads/ 
2009/02/kansascitystartupweekendflyer.pdf

Press in Other Cities:

http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/ 
2007/10/29/3_days_to_reality/

http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=796474574&play=1

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/biztech/11/24/startup.weekend/index.html

http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/07/07/startupweekend-70-founders- 
create-company-in-one-weekend/



From amoore at mooresystems.com  Fri Feb 27 09:32:21 2009
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 11:32:21 -0600
Subject: [Kc] field report from Agile KC meeting
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Hey KC PMers -

I attended the monthly Agile KC meeting last night
<http://www.agilekc.org/> and thought I'd share a few things with you
about it.

First, the meeting was an introduction to scrum, which I found pretty
interesting. I've been adopting many agile practices in my work, but
have never worked for a team that was all-out scrum. It was great to
hear how such a team would work. Martin Olson, of Silicon Prairie
Solutions gave the presentation and it was interesting to hear him
speak.

Second, it was good to see such a turnout at a local technical users
group. There were about 12 people there. We haven't seen those kinds
of numbers at our Perl Mongers meetings in years. I'd love it if we
could build up our interest and attendance a bit again. We've hit a
low in a couple meetings with just me and Jonathan, which isn't that
exciting or informative. Perhaps if we worked to lay out a more formal
agenda with discussion or presentation topics like Garrett used to, we
could revive some interest. I'll volunteer myself to pick a topic this
month. You're encouraged to be next month.

Our next scheduled meeting is Wednesday, March 11th. I'll talk for a
few minutes about Devel::REPL and Carp::REPL. These two modules were
the topic of a presentation at Frozen Perl and they came up on this
list this month. I'll talk briefly about:

* what the two modules are and how you can use them
* How you can use Carp::REPL to make development easier
* What's different (better) about these than the perl debugger
* My favorite feature of Devel::REPL which will appeal to any IRC
junkies out there.

The second topic will be figuring out an agenda for the April meeting.
You're encouraged to request topics or offer to talk about something
for a few minutes.

See you at 7pm on the 11th at Barley's in Shawnee!

-Andy

From amoore at mooresystems.com  Fri Feb 27 10:23:48 2009
From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 12:23:48 -0600
Subject: [Kc] perl 6 progress
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Here's some perl 6, parrot, and rakudo news for you:

As I mentioned earlier this month, Parrot 1.0 is apparently due out
March 17: <http://www.parrot.org/news/vision-for-1_0>. The February
release of Parrot alluded to this milestone with its "Final Countdown"
name: <http://www.parrot.org/news/2009/Parrot-0.9.1>. The
stabilization of parrot is great news for perl 6 fans. (wake up,
people!)

Parrot 1.0 is expected to be the first stable release of the virtual
machine that you can use to build languages on top of. Of course, one
language being built on Parrot is Rakudo, an implementation of perl 6.
Rakudo development recently became a little more separated from Parrot
development, now having its own source repository. So, this month's
Rakudo release is the first one that's separated from a Parrot release
<http://perlbuzz.com/2009/02/perl-6-stretches-its-wings-makes-a-milestone-release.html>.
Each month's release of
Rakudo is getting tons better than the previous month. You can write
pretty complex programs in perl 6 using Rakudo these days. With Parrot
stabilized, I'm betting that Rakudo development will continue to get
closer to having a usable, stable language soon. Maybe even by
Christmas. They could use your help, though, so if you feel like
playing with perl 6, perhaps you can lend the Rakudo development team
a hand.

If any of you guys have played with perl 6, I'd be interested in
hearing about it.

-Andy

From davidnicol at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 11:12:05 2009
From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 13:12:05 -0600
Subject: [Kc] perl 6 progress
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i wonder if anyone has written lua in parrot or v-v.


On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Andrew Moore <amoore at mooresystems.com> wrote:
> Parrot 1.0 is expected to be the first stable release of the virtual
> machine that you can use to build languages on top of. Of course, one
> language being built on Parrot is Rakudo, an implementation of perl 6.



-- 
The vents emit burning methane thought to be of metamorphic origin,
which in ancient times were landmarks that sailors could navigate by,
and which today the custodian uses to brew tea.

From djgoku at gmail.com  Fri Feb 27 12:03:24 2009
From: djgoku at gmail.com (djgoku)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:03:24 -0600
Subject: [Kc] perl 6 progress
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On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Andrew Moore <amoore at mooresystems.com> wrote:
> Here's some perl 6, parrot, and rakudo news for you:
>
> As I mentioned earlier this month, Parrot 1.0 is apparently due out
> March 17: <http://www.parrot.org/news/vision-for-1_0>. The February
> release of Parrot alluded to this milestone with its "Final Countdown"
> name: <http://www.parrot.org/news/2009/Parrot-0.9.1>. The
> stabilization of parrot is great news for perl 6 fans. (wake up,
> people!)
>
> Parrot 1.0 is expected to be the first stable release of the virtual
> machine that you can use to build languages on top of. Of course, one
> language being built on Parrot is Rakudo, an implementation of perl 6.
> Rakudo development recently became a little more separated from Parrot
> development, now having its own source repository. So, this month's
> Rakudo release is the first one that's separated from a Parrot release
> <http://perlbuzz.com/2009/02/perl-6-stretches-its-wings-makes-a-milestone-release.html>.
> Each month's release of
> Rakudo is getting tons better than the previous month. You can write
> pretty complex programs in perl 6 using Rakudo these days. With Parrot
> stabilized, I'm betting that Rakudo development will continue to get
> closer to having a usable, stable language soon. Maybe even by
> Christmas. They could use your help, though, so if you feel like
> playing with perl 6, perhaps you can lend the Rakudo development team
> a hand.

During the hackathon at #FP. Many were following this guide to build:

http://perlgeek.de/blog-en/perl-6/where-rakudo-lives.writeback

Jonathan

From andy at petdance.com  Fri Feb 27 12:41:29 2009
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:41:29 -0600
Subject: [Kc] perl 6 progress
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On Feb 27, 2009, at 1:12 PM, David Nicol wrote:

> i wonder if anyone has written lua in parrot or v-v.


Yes, there's a Lua project in Parrot.

--
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