From amoore at mooresystems.com Tue Oct 14 08:54:20 2008 From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 10:54:20 -0500 Subject: [Kc] October meeting Message-ID: <6c70d2980810140854h5d550c3g24e631f254792ee5@mail.gmail.com> I haven't heard anyone interested in a meeting tonight. Is anyone interested in grabbing a beer and chatting about perl this evening at Barley's? -Andy From jlrush at kc.rr.com Tue Oct 14 09:49:01 2008 From: jlrush at kc.rr.com (jlrush at kc.rr.com) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:49:01 -0400 Subject: [Kc] October meeting Message-ID: <1857889.33171224002941416.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web07-z02> ---- Andrew Moore wrote: > I haven't heard anyone interested in a meeting tonight. Is anyone > interested in grabbing a beer and chatting about perl this evening at > Barley's? > > -Andy My new manager and co-worker have expressed interest in the meetings. My manager, Assen, has said that he would like to go tonight if we have a meeting. So, that makes at least 2 from here. Jason From popefelix at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 10:39:31 2008 From: popefelix at gmail.com (Kit Peters) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 12:39:31 -0500 Subject: [Kc] October meeting In-Reply-To: <1857889.33171224002941416.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web07-z02> References: <1857889.33171224002941416.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web07-z02> Message-ID: Can't make it tonight, I'm afraid. Hopefully next month. KP On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:49 AM, wrote: > > ---- Andrew Moore wrote: >> I haven't heard anyone interested in a meeting tonight. Is anyone >> interested in grabbing a beer and chatting about perl this evening at >> Barley's? >> >> -Andy > > My new manager and co-worker have expressed interest in the meetings. My manager, Assen, has said that he would like to go tonight if we have a meeting. So, that makes at least 2 from here. > > Jason > > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc > -- GPG public key fingerpint: 1A12 04B6 0C80 306A B292 14FD 2C7A 1037 F666 46A7 From emmanuel.mejias at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 12:03:08 2008 From: emmanuel.mejias at gmail.com (Emmanuel Mejias) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:03:08 -0500 Subject: [Kc] October meeting In-Reply-To: <6c70d2980810140854h5d550c3g24e631f254792ee5@mail.gmail.com> References: <6c70d2980810140854h5d550c3g24e631f254792ee5@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38feac7e0810141203y1fbe90f3t3c4c6a9e9a0f74e0@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Andrew Moore wrote: > I haven't heard anyone interested in a meeting tonight. Is anyone > interested in grabbing a beer and chatting about perl this evening at > Barley's? > > -Andy > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc > BEER?!?! Which Barleys? I just got back from Chicago with a nice batch of some very good beer that you cannot find out here. It's almost criminal not to sell this beer here. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amoore at mooresystems.com Tue Oct 14 09:53:47 2008 From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 11:53:47 -0500 Subject: [Kc] October meeting In-Reply-To: <1857889.33171224002941416.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web07-z02> References: <1857889.33171224002941416.JavaMail.root@hrndva-web07-z02> Message-ID: <6c70d2980810140953l206bde04xaa7164e3ecb7c9dd@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 11:49 AM, wrote: > My new manager and co-worker have expressed interest in the meetings. My manager, Assen, has said that he would like to go tonight if we have a meeting. So, that makes at least 2 from here. > OK, I guess that makes a quorum! I'll see you guys at Barley's in Shawnee at 7pm. That's the one at Midland and 435. Since there probably won't be many of us, I'll try to grab a couple of high-tops in the back room. I've been having some troubles with DBIx::Class recently, so if there's anyone whose brain I can pick about that, I'd love it. -Andy From emmanuel.mejias at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 12:06:00 2008 From: emmanuel.mejias at gmail.com (Emmanuel Mejias) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:06:00 -0500 Subject: [Kc] October meeting In-Reply-To: <38feac7e0810141203y1fbe90f3t3c4c6a9e9a0f74e0@mail.gmail.com> References: <6c70d2980810140854h5d550c3g24e631f254792ee5@mail.gmail.com> <38feac7e0810141203y1fbe90f3t3c4c6a9e9a0f74e0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <38feac7e0810141206v61973adapfef6204da2ab75ac@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Emmanuel Mejias wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 10:54 AM, Andrew Moore wrote: > >> I haven't heard anyone interested in a meeting tonight. Is anyone >> interested in grabbing a beer and chatting about perl this evening at >> Barley's? >> >> -Andy >> _______________________________________________ >> kc mailing list >> kc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc >> > > > BEER?!?! Which Barleys? I just got back from Chicago with a nice batch of > some very good beer that you cannot find out here. It's almost criminal not > to sell this beer here. > Oh and I may be showing up, depending on how daughter's schedule. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amoore at mooresystems.com Tue Oct 14 12:09:38 2008 From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:09:38 -0500 Subject: [Kc] October meeting In-Reply-To: <38feac7e0810141206v61973adapfef6204da2ab75ac@mail.gmail.com> References: <6c70d2980810140854h5d550c3g24e631f254792ee5@mail.gmail.com> <38feac7e0810141203y1fbe90f3t3c4c6a9e9a0f74e0@mail.gmail.com> <38feac7e0810141206v61973adapfef6204da2ab75ac@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6c70d2980810141209t5f2dc6c1r9f4d66cf8f10f361@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Emmanuel Mejias wrote: > Oh and I may be showing up, depending on how daughter's schedule. That would be great! It's the Barley's in Shawnee, which is essentially at Midland Dr and 435. http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&q=16649+Midland+Drive,+Shawnee,+KS+66217&ie=UTF8&ll=38.999109,-94.778495&spn=0.007888,0.01929&z=16&iwloc=addr If you're in Missouri, Midland Dr is what they call 75th street once it gets way out West. I'll be there at 7pm. I'm pretty sure they have Goose Island on tap for your Chicago fix. -Andy From davidnicol at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 12:30:46 2008 From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:30:46 -0500 Subject: [Kc] October meeting In-Reply-To: <6c70d2980810141209t5f2dc6c1r9f4d66cf8f10f361@mail.gmail.com> References: <6c70d2980810140854h5d550c3g24e631f254792ee5@mail.gmail.com> <38feac7e0810141203y1fbe90f3t3c4c6a9e9a0f74e0@mail.gmail.com> <38feac7e0810141206v61973adapfef6204da2ab75ac@mail.gmail.com> <6c70d2980810141209t5f2dc6c1r9f4d66cf8f10f361@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <934f64a20810141230qc243a9emc442784a70a50692@mail.gmail.com> Is there a midland drive exit on 435? Since I'm working in Gardner, Shawnee is practically on my way home. ... It looks like I'll go northwest on 435, then take exit 5 for Midland Dr , go 0.3 mi, and turn right at Greenwood Blvd, to find Barley's on the right. -- "Experience suggests that we reject Machiavelli, that we do not accept subservience, whether to princes or presidents, and that we examine for ourselves the ends of public policy to determine whose interests they really serve. We must examine the means used to achieve those ends to decide if they are compatible with equal justice for all human beings on earth." -- Howard Zinn From davidnicol at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 12:30:46 2008 From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:30:46 -0500 Subject: [Kc] October meeting In-Reply-To: <6c70d2980810141209t5f2dc6c1r9f4d66cf8f10f361@mail.gmail.com> References: <6c70d2980810140854h5d550c3g24e631f254792ee5@mail.gmail.com> <38feac7e0810141203y1fbe90f3t3c4c6a9e9a0f74e0@mail.gmail.com> <38feac7e0810141206v61973adapfef6204da2ab75ac@mail.gmail.com> <6c70d2980810141209t5f2dc6c1r9f4d66cf8f10f361@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <934f64a20810141230qc243a9emc442784a70a50692@mail.gmail.com> Is there a midland drive exit on 435? Since I'm working in Gardner, Shawnee is practically on my way home. ... It looks like I'll go northwest on 435, then take exit 5 for Midland Dr , go 0.3 mi, and turn right at Greenwood Blvd, to find Barley's on the right. -- "Experience suggests that we reject Machiavelli, that we do not accept subservience, whether to princes or presidents, and that we examine for ourselves the ends of public policy to determine whose interests they really serve. We must examine the means used to achieve those ends to decide if they are compatible with equal justice for all human beings on earth." -- Howard Zinn From davidnicol at gmail.com Tue Oct 14 12:30:46 2008 From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol) Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 14:30:46 -0500 Subject: [Kc] October meeting In-Reply-To: <6c70d2980810141209t5f2dc6c1r9f4d66cf8f10f361@mail.gmail.com> References: <6c70d2980810140854h5d550c3g24e631f254792ee5@mail.gmail.com> <38feac7e0810141203y1fbe90f3t3c4c6a9e9a0f74e0@mail.gmail.com> <38feac7e0810141206v61973adapfef6204da2ab75ac@mail.gmail.com> <6c70d2980810141209t5f2dc6c1r9f4d66cf8f10f361@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <934f64a20810141230qc243a9emc442784a70a50692@mail.gmail.com> Is there a midland drive exit on 435? Since I'm working in Gardner, Shawnee is practically on my way home. ... It looks like I'll go northwest on 435, then take exit 5 for Midland Dr , go 0.3 mi, and turn right at Greenwood Blvd, to find Barley's on the right. -- "Experience suggests that we reject Machiavelli, that we do not accept subservience, whether to princes or presidents, and that we examine for ourselves the ends of public policy to determine whose interests they really serve. We must examine the means used to achieve those ends to decide if they are compatible with equal justice for all human beings on earth." -- Howard Zinn From davidnicol at gmail.com Wed Oct 15 08:28:57 2008 From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:28:57 -0500 Subject: [Kc] Last night's meeting a success Message-ID: <934f64a20810150828i18afd62es85334b0bcbf41256@mail.gmail.com> I thought so at least. Thanks for listening to me hold forth on Macrame, Tipjar, Advenge. I am actively imagining (if such a thing is possible, or productive) an economy in "tuits" which can be exchanged to participating geeks for tuit-sized tasks such as adding a feature to a module. A correspondence between a standard tuit and a standard "function point" makes sense, although standardizing the granularity of function points seems impossible to do formally. Andrew Moore agreed with my criticism of /bin/find -exec and appreciated the method I presented for mitigating the risk of /bin/find -exec mowing the baby, which is as follows. 1: several iterations of find . -name '*.txt' -size +20 -ls | head to get the selextion criteria to work right, then drop the -ls switch to get a simple list of file names 2: instead of using -exec .... \;, pipe the results of the above through xargs echo to compose what you want to do with the files find . -name '*.txt' -size +10 | xargs -n5 echo gzip | head until you are generating a script that does what you need 3: replace the final |head with |sh to run the program. This exercise generally takes less time than reading "man find" to find out how to properly escape special characters in the exec clause, and you don't have to run code you haven't had a chance to vet visually. I owe someone a fractional tuit for my pepsi, if it made it into the evening's bistromath. I realized when I was about a mile away that I had, as it were, sipped and slid. -- "Every man a god, that is if you can qualify. You can't be the god of anything unless you can do it" -- William S. Burroughs From amoore at mooresystems.com Wed Oct 15 08:41:50 2008 From: amoore at mooresystems.com (Andrew Moore) Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 10:41:50 -0500 Subject: [Kc] Last night's meeting a success In-Reply-To: <934f64a20810150828i18afd62es85334b0bcbf41256@mail.gmail.com> References: <934f64a20810150828i18afd62es85334b0bcbf41256@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <6c70d2980810150841s577e9046rcca2d34b3f5e94a3@mail.gmail.com> Hey David - Yeah, I had a good time, too. Thanks for the pointers on using find and the "xargs echo" trick. I'm pretty sure they comped your pepsi, so you can put those savings towards building the tipjar empire. Looking forward to next month! -A On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 10:28 AM, David Nicol wrote: > I thought so at least. Thanks for listening to me hold forth on > Macrame, Tipjar, Advenge. > > I am actively imagining (if such a thing is possible, or productive) > an economy in "tuits" which can be exchanged to participating geeks > for tuit-sized tasks such as adding a feature to a module. A > correspondence between a standard tuit and a standard "function point" > makes sense, although standardizing the granularity of function points > seems impossible to do formally. > > Andrew Moore agreed with my criticism of /bin/find -exec and > appreciated the method I presented for mitigating the risk of > /bin/find -exec mowing the baby, which is as follows. > > 1: several iterations of > find . -name '*.txt' -size +20 -ls | head > to get the selextion criteria to work right, then drop the -ls switch > to get a simple list of file names > > 2: instead of using -exec .... \;, pipe the results of the above > through xargs echo to compose what you want to do with the files > find . -name '*.txt' -size +10 | xargs -n5 echo gzip | head > until you are generating a script that does what you need > > 3: replace the final |head with |sh to run the program. > > This exercise generally takes less time than reading "man find" to > find out how to properly escape special characters in the exec clause, > and you don't have to run code you haven't had a chance to vet > visually. > > > I owe someone a fractional tuit for my pepsi, if it made it into the > evening's bistromath. I realized when I was about a mile away that I > had, as it were, sipped and slid. > > -- > "Every man a god, that is if you can qualify. You can't be the god of > anything unless you can do it" -- William S. Burroughs > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc > From davidnicol at gmail.com Thu Oct 16 12:19:38 2008 From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol) Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:19:38 -0500 Subject: [Kc] article on using iptables data counters Message-ID: <934f64a20810161219r77847177i865add88787932d3@mail.gmail.com> relevant to figuring out, of your bandwidth allotment at your hosting provider, how much goes to what. http://www.linux.com/articles/50649 -- "Every man a god, that is if you can qualify. You can't be the god of anything unless you can do it" -- William S. Burroughs From davidnicol at gmail.com Mon Oct 20 14:33:05 2008 From: davidnicol at gmail.com (David Nicol) Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:33:05 -0500 Subject: [Kc] solving for interest rate In-Reply-To: <934f64a20810191352i51116652j65c46eb28783a4d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <934f64a20810171421p274aaadcmb817ea68a6139453@mail.gmail.com> <934f64a20810191352i51116652j65c46eb28783a4d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <934f64a20810201433j774410a3ub7303c749fb79d20@mail.gmail.com> If anyone is considering paying in advance for Linode virtual servers, the one-year discount is a better deal than the two-year. $ perl r-solver12 15 24 15% discount on $24 is $20.4 a 15% discount for 24 payment at a time implies an r of 0.174889697023665 MONTH PRINCIPAL-BEFORE PAYMENT PRINCIPAL-AFTER 0 20.4000 ( 1.00) 19.4000 1 19.6848 ( 1.00) 18.6848 2 18.9591 ( 1.00) 17.9591 3 18.2228 ( 1.00) 17.2228 4 17.4756 ( 1.00) 16.4756 5 16.7175 ( 1.00) 15.7175 6 15.9482 ( 1.00) 14.9482 7 15.1677 ( 1.00) 14.1677 8 14.3757 ( 1.00) 13.3757 9 13.5721 ( 1.00) 12.5721 10 12.7566 ( 1.00) 11.7566 11 11.9292 ( 1.00) 10.9292 12 11.0897 ( 1.00) 10.0897 13 10.2378 ( 1.00) 9.2378 14 9.3734 ( 1.00) 8.3734 15 8.4963 ( 1.00) 7.4963 16 7.6064 ( 1.00) 6.6064 17 6.7034 ( 1.00) 5.7034 18 5.7871 ( 1.00) 4.7871 19 4.8574 ( 1.00) 3.8574 20 3.9140 ( 1.00) 2.9140 21 2.9568 ( 1.00) 1.9568 22 1.9855 ( 1.00) 0.9855 23 1.0000 ( 1.00) -0.0000 $ perl r-solver12 10 12 10% discount on $12 is $10.8 a 10% discount for 12 payment at a time implies an r of 0.234854609283606 MONTH PRINCIPAL-BEFORE PAYMENT PRINCIPAL-AFTER 0 10.8000 ( 1.00) 9.8000 1 9.9937 ( 1.00) 8.9937 2 9.1714 ( 1.00) 8.1714 3 8.3329 ( 1.00) 7.3329 4 7.4779 ( 1.00) 6.4779 5 6.6059 ( 1.00) 5.6059 6 5.7167 ( 1.00) 4.7167 7 4.8099 ( 1.00) 3.8099 8 3.8852 ( 1.00) 2.8852 9 2.9422 ( 1.00) 1.9422 10 1.9806 ( 1.00) 0.9806 11 1.0000 ( 1.00) 0.0000 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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