From marsee at oreilly.com Wed Jan 14 19:06:06 2004 From: marsee at oreilly.com (Marsee Henon) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:12 2004 Subject: [Kc] Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, January 14 Message-ID: ================================================================ O'Reilly UG Program News--Just for User Group Leaders January 14, 2004 ================================================================ -No Starch, Paraglyph, and Syngress books are now available -O'Reilly UG Wiki on the Way -Put Up an O'Reilly ThinkGeek Banner, Get A Free Book ---------------------------------------------------------------- Book Info ---------------------------------------------------------------- ***Review books are available Copies of our books are available for your members to review-- send me an email and please include the book ISBN number on your request. Let me know if you need your book by a certain date. 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Participate in this first study of its kind for a chance to win $500 USD. http://www.worldquery.com/qaglobal/Survey.cfm?c=5&fr=5475&s=8&g1=2&gp=32&r=0 --------------------- Open Source --------------------- ***The State of Perl A new year is a good time to take a look at the state Perl's in: its weaknesses, strengths, and future directions. Adam Turoff takes a long look at where Perl's going and why, and finds that Perl 6 doesn't have to be the last great hope. http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2004/01/09/survey.html ***Brian Behlendorf: Open Source Luminary Writing for "The Mercury News," Dan Gillmor profiles some of Silicon Valley's lesser-known business leaders and innovative technologists. Among them is Brian Behlendorf, the man who brought us Apache and the Apache Software Foundation, and the CTO of CollabNet. http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/7532827.htm --------------------- Java --------------------- ***ONJava: 2003 in Review A look back at ONJava articles from 2003, summarizing the big topics and major trends of the year in Java. http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2003/12/30/2003-yearender.html --------------------- Wireless --------------------- ***Design Considerations for Microsoft Smartphone Applications Microsoft has recently announced support for the .NET CF in the new SmartPhone 2003. Here are some things to keep in mind when developing .NET CF SmartPhone applications: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wireless/2004/01/07/smartphone.html --------------------- .NET --------------------- ***New Data Controls in ASP.NET Whidbey One of the design goals of the next release of ASP.NET, codenamed ASP.NET Whidbey, is to reduce the amount of code you write for common tasks such as data access. Wei-Meng Lee discusses two new controls that drastically reduce the amount of code you typically need to write in ASP.NET. http://www.ondotnet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2004/01/12/whidbey_datacontrols.htm ***Cooking with ADO.NET O'Reilly's recently released "ADO.NET Cookbook" contains over 150 solutions and best practices for everyday dilemmas. This week, we're excerpting three recipes from the book that show how to asynchronously update data in a database, how to protect login credentials during network transmissions, and how to enforce a business rule with column expressions. http://www.ondotnet.com/pub/a/dotnet/excerpt/ado.netckbk_chap01/index.html ADO.NET Cookbook ISBN: 0-596-00439-7 http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/adonetckbk/index.html --------------------- Mac --------------------- ***Dreamweaver MX 2004 for Mac OS X Dreamweaver has always facilitated web design in the visual graphic art tradition. It's also famous for its accurate HTML code and organic way of letting users alternate between code and design view. Dreamweaver MX 2004 has some improvements that may tempt you to take another look at this application for your work. http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/01/13/dreamweaver.html ***Confident Apple for 2004 You can have an entertaining, inspiring keynote without introducing the next big thing. Apple and Steve Jobs did just that at Macworld SF '04, and it bodes well for the year ahead. http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/01/07/apple_2004.html ***Control Your Mac with Your PDA You bought a Bluetooth Mac, and now you have a Bluetooth PDA, so there must be something cool that the two can do together, right? There is, when you add Salling Software's Clicker to the mix. Clicker lets your Bluetooth devices (phones and PDAs) act as a remote control for your Mac. Dori Smith, coauthor of "Mac OS X Unwired," walks you through the install and use of Clicker, then looks at some examples of Clicker in action, using PowerPoint and iPhoto. http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2004/01/06/macosxunwired.html Mac OS X Unwired ISBN:0-596-00508-3 http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/macxunwire/index.html ================================================ News From Your Peers ================================================ ***Northwest Oracle Users Group Winter Conference and Seminars, Bellevue WA--February 9-10 Five parallel session tracks and 25 sessions on Monday the 9th. Two optional all-day seminars on Tuesday the 10th. 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For more information, go to: http://www.stlwebdev.org/resources/awards/ Until next time-- Marsee From marsee at oreilly.com Wed Jan 21 19:27:45 2004 From: marsee at oreilly.com (Marsee Henon) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:12 2004 Subject: [Kc] Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, January 21 Message-ID: ================================================================ O'Reilly UG Program News--Just for User Group Leaders January 21, 2004 ================================================================ -New Safari Banners -Put Up an O'Reilly ThinkGeek Banner, Get A Free Book ---------------------------------------------------------------- Book Info ---------------------------------------------------------------- ***Review books are available Copies of our books are available for your members to review-- send me an email and please include the book ISBN number on your request. Let me know if you need your book by a certain date. 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Written by a core member of the Perl debugger development team, it's an ideal quick reference to debugger commands, as well as a detailed tutorial on how to get started. "Perl Debugger Pocket Reference" provides complete coverage in a conveniently small package. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perldebugpr/ An excerpt, "Before You Debug, A Debugger Tutorial, and More," is available online: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/perldebugpr/chapter/index.html ***Java Examples in a Nutshell, 3rd Edition ISBN: 0596006209 This third edition covers Java 1.4 and contains 193 complete, practical examples: over 21,900 lines of densely commented, professionally written Java code, covering 20 distinct client-side and server-side APIs. It includes new chapters on the Java Sound API and the New I/O API. The chapters on XML and servlets have been rewritten to cover the latest versions of the specifications and to demonstrate best practices for Java 1.4. 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But how do you go about getting a certificate and taking advantage of this feature? Fran??ois Joseph de Kermadec shows you how, step by step. http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/01/20/mail.html ================================================ News From Your Peers ================================================ ***Golden Gate Computer Society General Meeting, San Rafael, CA--January 26 Don't miss this exciting appearance by former "San Francisco Chronicle" Columnist Henry Norr. The meeting starts at 7:15 pm at the Embassy Suites Hotel, 101 McInnis Parkway, San Rafael, CA. For more Golden Gate Computer Society information, call 415-454-5556 or visit them online: http://www.ggcs.org/thismonth.html Until next time-- Marsee From whatever at davidnicol.com Sun Jan 25 22:51:15 2004 From: whatever at davidnicol.com (david nicol) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:12 2004 Subject: [Kc] demonstration of multiple listening with select(2) Message-ID: <1075092668.976.48.camel@plaza.davidnicol.com> Some days ago I asked kclug if anyone had any examples of tcp socket code that listens on multiple ports with select. Nobody wrote back on that issue, but I did some research and experimenting: The attached program opens up ports 8021 and 8022 on your machine and runs a basicly useless service on them both. It handles disconnects gracefully and will close a connection that issues /quit/. Enjoy To make a useful singlethreaded server, you essentially need to extend the @Something2Say array from MultipleListen into an array of state objects, still indexed by file descriptor number. The length constraints on the syswrite and sysread commands are far far too short, also -- they are so short to demonstrate that reading and writing over multiple passes works: when I extend this into an all-in-one e-mail toaster, the read length will be around 8K, and the write length will be the length of what is to be written, so the networking layer will take as much as it can. I do not know what kinds of situations trigger appearances on the exception queue. I had thought that connections to listening sockets would do that, but they appear as read-readiness. Perhaps sending OOB data? David Nicol -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It handles disconnects > gracefully and will close a connection that issues /quit/. > > Enjoy > > To make a useful singlethreaded server, you essentially need to > extend the @Something2Say array from MultipleListen into an array > of state objects, still indexed by file descriptor number. The length > constraints on the syswrite and sysread commands are far far too short, > also -- they are so short to demonstrate that reading and writing over > multiple passes works: when I extend this into an all-in-one e-mail > toaster, the read length will be around 8K, and the write length will be > the length of what is to be written, so the networking layer will take > as much as it can. > > > I do not know what kinds of situations trigger appearances on the > exception queue. I had thought that connections to listening sockets > would do that, but they appear as read-readiness. Perhaps sending OOB > data? > > David Nicol > > > > > > > use Socket; > > my $proto = getprotobyname('tcp'); > > > socket(Server1, PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, $proto); > socket(Server2, PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, $proto); > > setsockopt(Server1, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, pack("l", 1)) || die > "setsockopt: $!"; > bind(Server1, sockaddr_in(8021, INADDR_ANY)) || die "bind: $!"; > listen(Server1,SOMAXCONN) || die "listen: $!"; > > > setsockopt(Server2, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, pack("l", 1)) || die > "setsockopt: $!"; > bind(Server2, sockaddr_in(8022, INADDR_ANY)) || die "bind: $!"; > listen(Server2,SOMAXCONN) || die "listen: $!"; > > print "listenintg on 8021 and 8022\n"; > > my $rin = $win = $ein = ''; > > vec($rin,fileno(Server1),1) = 1; > vec($rin,fileno(Server2),1) = 1; > > vec($win,fileno(Server1),1) = 1; > vec($win,fileno(Server2),1) = 1; > > vec($ein,fileno(Server1),1) = 1; > vec($ein,fileno(Server2),1) = 1; > > # for (;;){ > > while ( $nfound = select($rout=$rin, $wout=$win, $eout=$ein, undef) ) { > $count++; > > print "found $nfound\n"; > $nfound < 1 and die "$!\n"; > > if(vec($rout,fileno(Server1),1)){ > print "Server1 in rout\n"; > accept(my $NewServer1, Server1) or print "1:accept error: $!\n"; > print "new server1 on ",fileno($NewServer1 ),"\n"; > push @Server1socks,$NewServer1; > $Something2Say[fileno($NewServer1 )] = ''; > > }; > if(vec($rout,fileno(Server2),1)){ > print "Server2 in rout\n"; > accept(my $NewServer2, Server2) or print "2:accept error: $!\n"; > print "new server2 on ",fileno($NewServer2 ),"\n"; > push @Server2socks,$NewServer2; > $Something2Say[fileno($NewServer2 )] = ''; > }; > > if(vec($wout,fileno(Server1),1)){ > print "Server1 in wout\n"; > }; > if(vec($wout,fileno(Server2),1)){ > print "Server2 in wout\n"; > }; > > if(vec($eout,fileno(Server1),1)){ > print "Server1 in eout\n"; > }; > if(vec($eout,fileno(Server2),1)){ > print "Server2 in eout\n"; > }; > > foreach (@Server1socks, @Server2socks){ > > if(vec($rout,fileno($_),1)){ > my $char; > sysread $_,$char,10; > if(length $char){ > print "socket $_ in rout: read ten bits and got [$char]\n"; > $char =~ /quit/ and goto CLOSEME; > $char = uc $char; > $char =~ s/\W//g; > $Something2Say[fileno($_)] .= "you said '$char'\n"; > }else{ > print "Received empty packet on $_ (",fileno($_), > ") $!\n"; > CLOSEME: > my $me = fileno($_); > close $_; > print "CLOSING and FORGETTING ABOUT fd $me\n"; > { > local $_; > # @Server1socks = map { fileno($_) != $me } @Server1socks; > # @Server2socks = map { fileno($_) != $me } @Server2socks; > @Server2socks = grep { fileno($_) } @Server2socks; > @Server1socks = grep { fileno($_) } @Server1socks; > }; > next; # enough with this closed socket > }; > }; > if(vec($wout,fileno($_),1)){ > if(length($Something2Say[fileno($_)])){ > # print "socket $_ in wout\n"; > my $readlen = syswrite $_, $Something2Say[fileno($_)], 4; > defined $readlen or print "Error on socket $_: $!"; > substr $Something2Say[fileno($_)], 0, $readlen, ''; > # print $_ "$count: $_\n"; > }; > }; > if(vec($eout,fileno($_),1)){ > print "EXCEPTION socket $_ in eout\n"; > }; > > }; > > $rin = ''; > vec($rin,fileno(Server1),1) = 1; > vec($rin,fileno(Server2),1) = 1; > vec($rin,500,1) = 0; > $ein = $win = $rin ; > > foreach (@Server1socks, @Server2socks){ > vec($rin,fileno($_),1) = 1; > length($Something2Say[fileno($_)]) and vec($win,fileno($_),1) = 1; > vec($ein,fileno($_),1) = 1; > }; > }; > > > > _______________________________________________ > kc mailing list > kc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/kc > From bryan at booknerd.net Tue Jan 27 11:38:57 2004 From: bryan at booknerd.net (Bryan Richard) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:12 2004 Subject: [Kc] Hello - New to the list Message-ID: <20040127173857.GA858@clusterworldexpo.com> Hello Mongers, I'm a bit new to the area and having finally settled in I wanted to poke my head into the local UGs and see what was going on. Anybody here? Are the PM meetings still happening? I'm the conference director for Linux Magazine and I'd be happy to help out organizing things if anything needs to be done. Thanks, - Bryan From amoore at mooresystems.com Tue Jan 27 11:57:57 2004 From: amoore at mooresystems.com (amoore@mooresystems.com) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:12 2004 Subject: [Kc] Hello - New to the list In-Reply-To: <20040127173857.GA858@clusterworldexpo.com> References: <20040127173857.GA858@clusterworldexpo.com> Message-ID: <20040127175757.GB15732@mooresystems.com> Hi Bryan - welcome to town! On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 12:38:57PM -0500, Bryan Richard wrote: > Hello Mongers, > > I'm a bit new to the area and having finally settled in I wanted to poke > my head into the local UGs and see what was going on. > > Anybody here? Are the PM meetings still happening? The list is pretty low volume, but we certainly bat some stuff around occasionally. We do still meet (as far as I know), but I don't think we did in December because of holidays. I guess I just forgot about January. (Did anyone get together?) It sounds like you have already found http://kc.pm.org/ which gives a few useful details and such. > I'm the conference director for Linux Magazine and I'd be happy to help > out organizing things if anything needs to be done. As you can see, we're pretty casual about things, so you are certainly welcome to help out wherever you feel comfortable. Speak up on the list if you want, and I hope to see you 2 weeks from today for the February meeting at Planet Sub. Be careful about offering to help, you just may get put to work! Garrett or anyone else - Anything I left out? > Thanks, > > - Bryan Welcome! -Andy From bryan at booknerd.net Tue Jan 27 17:36:29 2004 From: bryan at booknerd.net (Bryan Richard) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:12 2004 Subject: [Kc] Hello - New to the list Message-ID: <20040127233629.GA67489@clusterworldexpo.com> Hi Andy, On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 11:57:57AM -0600, amoore@mooresystems.com wrote: > Hi Bryan - welcome to town! Thanks. > On Tue, Jan 27, 2004 at 12:38:57PM -0500, Bryan Richard wrote: > We do still meet (as far as I know), but I don't think we did in > December because of holidays. I guess I just forgot about January. (Did > anyone get together?) > > It sounds like you have already found http://kc.pm.org/ which gives a > few useful details and such. > > > I'm the conference director for Linux Magazine and I'd be happy to help > > out organizing things if anything needs to be done. > > As you can see, we're pretty casual about things, so you are certainly > welcome to help out wherever you feel comfortable. Speak up on the list > if you want, and I hope to see you 2 weeks from today for the February > meeting at Planet Sub. Sure I can probably make it up (I'm down Olathe way). > Be careful about offering to help, you just may > get put to work! No problem. I'm pretty flexible, just let me know. I know a lot of speakers but now that I'm in flyover country I don't know how strong of an asset that is anymore. ;-) How are things generally for Perl developers in Kansas City? I certainly don't see many tech conferences coming to town. Thanks, - Bryan From garrett at scriptpro.com Wed Jan 28 08:11:35 2004 From: garrett at scriptpro.com (Garrett Goebel) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:12 2004 Subject: [Kc] Hello - New to the list Message-ID: <71BEC0D4E1DED3118F7A009027B12028034C9137@EXCH_MISSION> Andy Moore wrote: > > Hi Bryan - welcome to town! > > Bryan Richard wrote: > > > > Hello Mongers, > > > > I'm a bit new to the area and having finally settled in I > > wanted to poke my head into the local UGs and see what was > > going on. > > > > Anybody here? Are the PM meetings still happening? > > The list is pretty low volume, but we certainly bat some stuff around > occasionally. Sorry for the delayed response. I was off-line yesterday due to school closings. > We do still meet (as far as I know), but I don't think we did in > December because of holidays. I guess I just forgot about > January. (Did anyone get together?) My bad, I let it slide. We actually had a new person show up in January, but no one was there... There will be a February meeting. And at least one of the topics will be a call to kick out the current group moderator for his gross dereliction of duty... Or at least find a way to better spread (delegate) the fun (responsibilities)! > > I'm the conference director for Linux Magazine and I'd be > > happy to help out organizing things if anything needs to be > > done. > > As you can see, we're pretty casual about things, so you are certainly > welcome to help out wherever you feel comfortable. Speak up > on the list if you want, and I hope to see you 2 weeks from today > for the February meeting at Planet Sub. Be careful about offering > to help, you just may get put to work! > > Garrett or anyone else - Anything I left out? We've got about 10 regulars of which around 6 give or take a head tend to show up at the monthly meetings. Meetings tend to have at least one perl related presentation and usually a book review or two. We could definitely use organization skills where ever you'd care to lend them. Attracting new people, fishing for people willing to give presentations, presentation topics we interested in, mailing list management, web site, etc. At one time Andy was playing around with putting Moveable Type out on the website. And I was trying to get a wiki installed. I think it would be great to have forums and/or a wiki out there. And certainly there are things I'm not aware of that we should probably be doing. Garrett -- Garrett Goebel IS Development Specialist ScriptPro Direct: 913.403.5261 5828 Reeds Road Main: 913.384.1008 Mission, KS 66202 Fax: 913.384.2180 www.scriptpro.com garrett at scriptpro dot com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Attracting new people, fishing for people willing to give > presentations, presentation topics we interested in, mailing list > management, web site, etc. At one time Andy was playing around with putting > Moveable Type out on the website. And I was trying to get a wiki installed. > I think it would be great to have forums and/or a wiki out there. And > certainly there are things I'm not aware of that we should probably be > doing. Sounds good. 10 is a pretty good number. I've been to UGs in LA with fewer people in attendance. I could probably be of some assistance in dredging up new people or generally promoting the group to local companies or universities. However, I don't know much about the tech scene in KC or the surrounding areas. Does anyone know of any large companies that are using Perl? Sprint? Cerner? What are the major tech companies in KC, anyway? Is the next meeting the 10th? Thanks, - Bryan From garrett at scriptpro.com Thu Jan 29 09:37:50 2004 From: garrett at scriptpro.com (Garrett Goebel) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:31:13 2004 Subject: [Kc] Book: Randal Schwartz's Perls of Wisdom Message-ID: <71BEC0D4E1DED3118F7A009027B12028034C9145@EXCH_MISSION> ----- Forwarded message from stephanie at svl dot co dot uk ----- 29th January 2004 Dear Perl Mongers, Please allow me to introduce myself as the Marketing and Publicity Coordinator for Apress. I would very much like to get in touch with your user groups in Africa, Asia and Europe with your permission, to tell them about a new book we are publishing by Randal Schwartz, called Randal Schwartz's Perls of Wisdom. With its roots in his popular web columns and I think members of Perl user groups will really enjoy this book. I'd like to offer a special discount on the book - and all other Apress books when ordered through me! Apress are committed to supporting user groups by offering reduced rates on books and I would like to promote this to as many Perl users as possible. Would you kindly allow me to email group leaders, or even post something on your web site to offer the user group programme to your affiliates? A short message with the following information would be sufficient: Randal Schwartz's Perls of Wisdom is a collection of more than 70 of Randal's columns, teaching everything from Perl basics to how to decompose XML using an HTML parser. Randal's unique writing style and (sometimes) truly twisted use of Perl makes for exciting reading for those who want to enhance their Perl skills. Randal Schwartz Randal Schwartz's Perls of Wisdom ISBN: 1-59059-323-5 326 pages Price: Approx. EUR26.95 ?18.50 You can see more about the book here: http://www.apress.com/book/bookDisplay.html?bID=307 And read much more about Apress and its (award-winning) commitment to Open Source publishing here: www.apress.com I look forward to hearing from you. Kind regards, Stephanie. Stephanie Parker Marketing and Publicity Coordinator for Apress. www.apress.com Apress is distributed by Springer. ----------------------------- Springer-Verlag London Ltd. Sweetapple House / Catteshall Road / Godalming / GU7 3DJ / UK +44 (0) 1483 414113 +44 (0) 1483 415151 stephanie@svl.co.uk ----------------------------- FREEPHONE Customer Services: 00800 7774 6437 www.springeronline.com -- Garrett Goebel IS Development Specialist ScriptPro Direct: 913.403.5261 5828 Reeds Road Main: 913.384.1008 Mission, KS 66202 Fax: 913.384.2180 www.scriptpro.com garrett at scriptpro dot com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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