From JMcCarthy at citistreetonline.com Tue Apr 1 11:59:59 2003 From: JMcCarthy at citistreetonline.com (McCarthy, John) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] RE: Jacksonville-pm digest, Vol 1 #32 - 6 msgs Message-ID: <3C4CC57923BCD411A65900508BB355E209D7FB9D@wjbs0078xch.fl.wellspringres.com> Well I find your messages interesting and sometimes useful. Do you ever actually meet someplace? -----Original Message----- From: jacksonville-pm-request@mail.pm.org [mailto:jacksonville-pm-request@mail.pm.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:00 PM To: jacksonville-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: Jacksonville-pm digest, Vol 1 #32 - 6 msgs Send Jacksonville-pm mailing list submissions to jacksonville-pm@mail.pm.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/jacksonville-pm or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to jacksonville-pm-request@mail.pm.org You can reach the person managing the list at jacksonville-pm-admin@mail.pm.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Jacksonville-pm digest..." [a digest of recent mumblings] Today's Topics: 1. CPAN! (Jason Proctor) 2. Re: CPAN! (WC Jones (Bill)) 3. Re: CPAN! (Jason Proctor) 4. Re: CPAN! (WC Jones (Bill)) 5. Re: CPAN! (Jason Proctor) 6. Re: CPAN! (WC Jones (Bill)) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:35:54 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Proctor To: Jax Perl Mongers Subject: [Jax.PM] CPAN! Check out www.cpan.org in the next few hours. Keep in mind it's managed by someone in Finland, and it's after midnight there already. :) j --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:47:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [Jax.PM] CPAN! From: WC (Bill) Jones To: jacksonville-pm@mail.pm.org Early, for America, April Fool's joke :) On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 04:35 PM, Jason Proctor wrote: > [a jax.PM member posting] > > Check out www.cpan.org in the next few hours. Keep in mind it's > managed > by someone in Finland, and it's after midnight there already. :) > > > j > > _______________________________________________ > Jacksonville-pm mailing list > Jacksonville-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/jacksonville-pm > --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:18:53 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Proctor To: Jax Perl Mongers Subject: Re: [Jax.PM] CPAN! On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, WC (Bill) Jones wrote: > [a jax.PM member posting] > Early, for America, April Fool's joke :) Dork. You weren't supposed to give it away. :) j --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:33:24 -0500 Subject: Re: [Jax.PM] CPAN! Cc: Jax Perl Mongers To: Jason Proctor From: WC (Bill) Jones I is I is lol (Only 3 on this list now J ... can you forgive me?) =) On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 09:18 PM, Jason Proctor wrote: > >> [a jax.PM member posting] >> Early, for America, April Fool's joke :) > > > Dork. You weren't supposed to give it away. :) --__--__-- Message: 5 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:16:50 -0500 (EST) From: Jason Proctor To: Jax Perl Mongers Subject: Re: [Jax.PM] CPAN! > (Only 3 on this list now J ... can you forgive me?) What? Three other than us? Or three including us? Who's the other (un)lucky sap stuck with our occasional blather? Speak up, brother (or sister, but let's face it--that ain't likely)! What happened to everyone? j --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:32:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [Jax.PM] CPAN! Cc: Jax Perl Mongers To: Jason Proctor From: WC (Bill) Jones Not counting duplicates there are 14 addresses listed as members. And, it is true that there are no lady members (at least no IDs that seem 'female') I know for a fact that there are women Perl'gammers in Jax -- I trained more that 15 of them last year alone. I suppose I am a horrible recruiter -- that or no one else really wants to join up with this outfit... -Sx- =) On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 10:16 PM, Jason Proctor wrote: > What? Three other than us? Or three including us? Who's the other > (un)lucky sap stuck with our occasional blather? > > Speak up, brother (or sister, but let's face it--that ain't likely)! --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Jacksonville-pm mailing list Jacksonville-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/jacksonville-pm End of Jacksonville-pm Digest -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/jacksonville-pm/attachments/20030401/83be6190/attachment.htm From sneex at bellsouth.net Tue Apr 1 13:27:19 2003 From: sneex at bellsouth.net (WC Jones (Bill)) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] [Admin Post] Meetings? Thoughts, ... In-Reply-To: <3C4CC57923BCD411A65900508BB355E209D7FB9D@wjbs0078xch.fl.wellspringres.com> Message-ID: [Jax.PM Admin] As always - your input as to the following is welcome :) Meetings, well, let's see -- we had a couple of informal meetings -- people dropped by the office (where I used to work) and said "Hi" =) I think I've actually run into a couple of members out and about around Jacksonville. But, no, we have never had an official get together or meeting. I have attempted to secure meeting places - FCCJ, Libraries, local Pubs, etc. But each was either unavailable, not useful, or taboo. Of the members, old and new (we have had a high of 23 members in the past) very few -- maybe 4 including myself -- are actually in Jax or near enough to benefit. On the PM Leader lists the Florida area leaders (Tallahassee, Miami, et al) have talked about getting together - either merging or just hanging out once in a while. Those discussions were never brought up here because they never became any thing than just that. Since I am pretty much in a career holding pattern these past few month I have thought about a lot - Perl, work, Apache, eating, Apache, sleeping, playing Spades on Yahoo, Perl, playing Unreal Tournament ... Perl, MySQL, Perl, Jones Knowledge e-Education Software Standard, PHP, JAVA, MySQL, my resume, my life ... Playing SOCOM Navy Seals ... Perl... LOL, not exactly all at once nor in that order. =) OK, maybe I play around too much, maybe I need to get off my duff and actually do something with the group. These are my thoughts about -- 1) The group site: jacksonville.pm.org - I feel that there is no real sense in duplicating the other Perl sites, etc, so while I have tried to do a couple of things - job postings for Jax area (shot down by PM Advisory panel on legal grounds), Perl news around Jax area (shot down, well, basically because Jax isn't a Perl town), messed around with using myself as an example Perl geek on the site (shot down because the PM Advisory panel thought I was tooting my own horn too much -- prolly so...) I really would like members to send things to post there - that way if any actually interested Jacksonville, Florida citizens arrive at that site there would be something there. It would likely be best to have just a plain generic site saying "We are HERE! Come join us." 2) The group meetings: Hmm, in the past I have never had a stable enough schedule to commit to meeting anywhere - between family, teaching, then there is actually having to work, and all my studies I just didn't have time. Well, I have time now, and since I no longer work or teach at the college, I have been meeting with a couple of old students -- we go out most every Wednesday to Rigby's and shoot darts and/or play pool. Everyone here is more than welcome to come out with us - I even buy the beer :) I believe we would be best served by just have a quarterly meeting schedule and really only gear it toward maybe a membership / Perl awareness drive. Possibly (seriously) have a bi-annual Perl programming contest ... just don't know what/how. I did some research and asking around about meetings and things and a some other groups have never met either - some have gone through evolutionary changes where one group dies off and other begins. The real issue to me is - do we need to meet? For sanity's sake? Maybe a twice or four times a year thing would be better? 3) Member projects: Some of the other groups have actual "work" assignments for their respective members ... and while I have no heartburn assigning more work for people to do (I am a heartless BOFH after all) I would rather only do that if this group's charter covered education and there were actual "student" members. People have historically did the RTFM (and similar route) to the student issue with discussions breaking down into 70% RTFM and 20% "Why are you telling me to RTFM?" - with about 10% being actual useful content. We all pretty much know this first hand (especially if you were subbed to the BPL or BPCL lists.) My own projects have included DocSet ( http://search.cpan.org/ ), Interchange ( http://www.icdevgroup.org/i/dev/index ), as well as one project posted by another member: Bricolage ( http://bricolage.cc/ ) -- I am still hesitant in monopolizing another persons time (especially if I cannot reimburse them.) My personal project has revolved around http://cis4dl.sf.net/ and http://InSecurity.Org/ both of which are just this side of failures mainly because I do not know what I want. Lately, since I've been out of work, I've picked up the cis4dl project and have been looking at a DocSet/MySQL/Mailman scenario. In the past such non-Perl (pure perl) rants would be punishable by death -- but hey, Perl should allow other languages be good at something. :) OK, I believe I have given you enough rantings to consider for one e-mail posting (I may have even tripped the 32K digest barrier so this goes out today. We shall see.) Think about Perl, Jax.PM, and, to steal a quote - Ask not what your Jax.PM can do for you ... Ask what you can do for your Jax.PM ... Cheers! -Sx- :] Jax.PM Founder; ...and part time leader... From jproctor at persons.marlboro.edu Tue Apr 1 13:31:27 2003 From: jproctor at persons.marlboro.edu (Jason Proctor) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] RE: Jacksonville-pm digest, Vol 1 #32 - 6 msgs In-Reply-To: <3C4CC57923BCD411A65900508BB355E209D7FB9D@wjbs0078xch.fl.wellspringres.com> Message-ID: > Well I find your messages interesting and sometimes useful. Do you ever > actually meet someplace? Let's see... uh... Greg and I met at YAPC in Montreal a couple years ago. Sneexie wasn't there, but I think he agreed it could be the first meeting of Jax.pm anyway. Amusing in some sense, since neither of us actually lived in Jax at the time. I don't know whether there has been a meeting since then or not. Maybe the new mail from Sneex that just showed up will say something. j From jproctor at persons.marlboro.edu Tue Apr 1 13:40:02 2003 From: jproctor at persons.marlboro.edu (Jason Proctor) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] [Admin Post] Meetings? Thoughts, ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I think I've actually run into a couple of members out and about > around Jacksonville. ... but the lawyers say you're not allowed to discuss that until the insurance claim is settled. :) > I really would like members to send things to post there - that way > if any actually interested Jacksonville, Florida citizens arrive at > that site there would be something there. Job postings for places other than Jacksonville? I'm actually sorta curious what was wrong with the local aspect on things. > In the past such non-Perl (pure perl) rants would be punishable by > death -- but hey, Perl should allow other languages be good at > something. Why? > Ask not what your Jax.PM can do for you ... Ask what you can do for > your Jax.PM ... I can sit in my cozy little office a thousand miles away and make fun of the leader (and contribute various other snide comments). Hey, I've gotta do what I'm good at. :) j From sneex at bellsouth.net Tue Apr 1 13:46:32 2003 From: sneex at bellsouth.net (WC Jones (Bill)) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] RE: Jacksonville-pm digest, Vol 1 #32 - 6 msgs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 02:31 PM, Jason Proctor wrote: > Greg and I met at YAPC in Montreal a couple years ago. Sneexie wasn't > there, but I think he agreed it could be the first meeting of Jax.pm > anyway. I had forgotten about that - but yes - it is officially the first business-centric meeting in the environment of Perl. lol; -Sx- :) PS - I don't have to be anywhere for Jax.PM Perl and related business to happen -- I have confidence and faith in each of you :) From sneex at bellsouth.net Tue Apr 1 13:53:53 2003 From: sneex at bellsouth.net (WC Jones (Bill)) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] [Admin Post] Meetings? Thoughts, ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: =) On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 02:40 PM, Jason Proctor wrote: > Job postings for places other than Jacksonville? I'm actually sorta > curious what was wrong with the local aspect on things. Mainly because the presentation seemed to commercial; and at the time they really wanted to get jobs.perl.org going stronger. Maybe it can be revisited. > >> Ask not what your Jax.PM can do for you ... Ask what you can do for >> your Jax.PM ... > > I can sit in my cozy little office a thousand miles away and make > fun of > the leader (and contribute various other snide comments). Hey, > I've gotta > do what I'm good at. :) Stand-up comedy??? :) While I cannot throw anything that far to hit you with, I have taken the liberty, as is my PM Leader powers, to delete those sections I have choose to ignore. Here, something to remember those long, hard, winters: ????? \\???? \? | |? /??? // ????? \\\??? \\????? //??? /// ?? \\\? #########?? /// ? \\?? ###???????? ###?? // --? ##?????????????? ##?? -- ? --? ##? squish!!? ##? -- ? --? ##???????????? ##? -- ? //?? ###???????? ###?? \\ ???? ///? ########? \\\ ????? ///??? //???? \\?? \\\ ???? //???? /? | |? \?? \\ ???????? /???? |???? \ -Sx- :] From jproctor at persons.marlboro.edu Tue Apr 1 14:07:56 2003 From: jproctor at persons.marlboro.edu (Jason Proctor) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] [Admin Post] Meetings? Thoughts, ... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Job postings for places other than Jacksonville? I'm actually sorta > > curious what was wrong with the local aspect on things. > > Mainly because the presentation seemed to commercial; and at the > time they really wanted to get jobs.perl.org going stronger. > > Maybe it can be revisited. Well, not competing with jobs.perl.org. Ancillary to jobs.perl.org. Automatically post things from j.p.o. if they're in (say) FL or GA, and offer to crosspost local jobs to the big list if people want. > >       \\     \  | |  /    // >       \\\    \\      //    /// >    \\\  #########   /// >   \\   ###         ###   // > --  ##               ##   -- >   --  ##  squish!!  ##  -- >   --  ##             ##  -- >   //   ###         ###   \\ >      ///  ########  \\\ >       ///    //     \\   \\\ >      //     /  | |  \   \\ >          /     |     \ > It's actually snowing here right now. I shall treasure this email always as a reminder of Oh, forget it. But you did obviously take some time to make an ascii snowball, so I'm going to go peg a few friends. j From nate at campin.net Tue Apr 1 14:32:12 2003 From: nate at campin.net (Nate Campi) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] CPAN! In-Reply-To: <8C4B482A-63DB-11D7-BAAE-0003930FDFC6@bellsouth.net> References: <8C4B482A-63DB-11D7-BAAE-0003930FDFC6@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <20030401203212.GB13041@campin.net> On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 07:47:43PM -0500, WC Jones wrote: > [a jax.PM member posting] > Early, for America, April Fool's joke :) > > On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 04:35 PM, Jason Proctor wrote: > > >[a jax.PM member posting] > > > >Check out www.cpan.org in the next few hours. Keep in mind it's > >managed by someone in Finland, and it's after midnight there already. > >:) Bummer, I think it's gone now. What did it look like/say? -- Nate Campi http://www.campin.net From sneex at bellsouth.net Tue Apr 1 15:26:27 2003 From: sneex at bellsouth.net (WC Jones (Bill)) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] CPAN! In-Reply-To: <20030401203212.GB13041@campin.net> Message-ID: <98DA3CE6-6488-11D7-9C26-0003930FDFC6@bellsouth.net> Welcome to MSA! They switched back earlier than they wanted too cuz of all the cry babies... On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 03:32 PM, Nate Campi wrote: >>> Check out www.cpan.org in the next few hours. Keep in mind it's >>> managed by someone in Finland, and it's after midnight there already. >>> :) > > Bummer, I think it's gone now. What did it look like/say? From solution at gina.net Wed Apr 2 08:59:26 2003 From: solution at gina.net (Aaron Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] RE: Jacksonville-pm digest, Vol 1 #32 - 6 msgs In-Reply-To: <3C4CC57923BCD411A65900508BB355E209D7FB9D@wjbs0078xch.fl.wellspringres.com> References: <3C4CC57923BCD411A65900508BB355E209D7FB9D@wjbs0078xch.fl.wellspringres.com> Message-ID: <1049295565.25597.1100.camel@development.gina.net> On Tue, 2003-04-01 at 12:59, McCarthy, John wrote: > Well I find your messages interesting and sometimes useful. Do you > ever actually meet someplace? > I would like to organize a meeting. If you think you can attend a meeting please indicate where you are located and how far you would be willing to travel for the meeting. Include a suggestion for a topic if you have one in mind. I am in Ocala and would be willing to drive ~100 miles (~200 round trip) for a meeting. Aaron > -----Original Message----- > From: jacksonville-pm-request@mail.pm.org > [mailto:jacksonville-pm-request@mail.pm.org] > Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 1:00 PM > To: jacksonville-pm@mail.pm.org > Subject: Jacksonville-pm digest, Vol 1 #32 - 6 msgs > > > Send Jacksonville-pm mailing list submissions to > jacksonville-pm@mail.pm.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/jacksonville-pm > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > jacksonville-pm-request@mail.pm.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > jacksonville-pm-admin@mail.pm.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Jacksonville-pm digest..." > > > [a digest of recent mumblings] > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. CPAN! (Jason Proctor) > 2. Re: CPAN! (WC Jones (Bill)) > 3. Re: CPAN! (Jason Proctor) > 4. Re: CPAN! (WC Jones (Bill)) > 5. Re: CPAN! (Jason Proctor) > 6. Re: CPAN! (WC Jones (Bill)) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:35:54 -0500 (EST) > From: Jason Proctor > To: Jax Perl Mongers > Subject: [Jax.PM] CPAN! > > > Check out www.cpan.org in the next few hours. Keep in mind it's > managed > by someone in Finland, and it's after midnight there already. :) > > > j > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:47:43 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Jax.PM] CPAN! > From: WC (Bill) Jones > To: jacksonville-pm@mail.pm.org > > Early, for America, April Fool's joke :) > > > On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 04:35 PM, Jason Proctor wrote: > > > [a jax.PM member posting] > > > > Check out www.cpan.org in the next few hours. Keep in mind it's > > managed > > by someone in Finland, and it's after midnight there already. :) > > > > > > j > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Jacksonville-pm mailing list > > Jacksonville-pm@mail.pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/jacksonville-pm > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:18:53 -0500 (EST) > From: Jason Proctor > To: Jax Perl Mongers > Subject: Re: [Jax.PM] CPAN! > > > On Mon, 31 Mar 2003, WC (Bill) Jones wrote: > > > [a jax.PM member posting] > > Early, for America, April Fool's joke :) > > > Dork. You weren't supposed to give it away. :) > > > j > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:33:24 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Jax.PM] CPAN! > Cc: Jax Perl Mongers > To: Jason Proctor > From: WC (Bill) Jones > > I is I is lol > > (Only 3 on this list now J ... can you forgive me?) > > =) > > > On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 09:18 PM, Jason Proctor wrote: > > > > > >> [a jax.PM member posting] > >> Early, for America, April Fool's joke :) > > > > > > Dork. You weren't supposed to give it away. :) > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 22:16:50 -0500 (EST) > From: Jason Proctor > To: Jax Perl Mongers > Subject: Re: [Jax.PM] CPAN! > > > > (Only 3 on this list now J ... can you forgive me?) > > What? Three other than us? Or three including us? Who's the other > (un)lucky sap stuck with our occasional blather? > > Speak up, brother (or sister, but let's face it--that ain't likely)! > > What happened to everyone? > > > j > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:32:09 -0500 > Subject: Re: [Jax.PM] CPAN! > Cc: Jax Perl Mongers > To: Jason Proctor > From: WC (Bill) Jones > > Not counting duplicates there are 14 addresses listed as members. > And, it is true that there are no lady members (at least no IDs > that seem 'female') I know for a fact that there are women > Perl'gammers in Jax -- I trained more that 15 of them last year > alone. > > I suppose I am a horrible recruiter -- that or no one else really > wants to join up with this outfit... > > -Sx- =) > > > On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 10:16 PM, Jason Proctor wrote: > > > What? Three other than us? Or three including us? Who's the other > > (un)lucky sap stuck with our occasional blather? > > > > Speak up, brother (or sister, but let's face it--that ain't likely)! > > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > Jacksonville-pm mailing list > Jacksonville-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/jacksonville-pm > > > End of Jacksonville-pm Digest > From jproctor at persons.marlboro.edu Wed Apr 2 09:14:38 2003 From: jproctor at persons.marlboro.edu (Jason Proctor) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] RE: Jacksonville-pm digest, Vol 1 #32 - 6 msgs In-Reply-To: <1049295565.25597.1100.camel@development.gina.net> Message-ID: > I would like to organize a meeting. If you think you can attend a > meeting please indicate where you are located and how far you would be > willing to travel for the meeting. Include a suggestion for a topic if > you have one in mind. I'm in western Massachusetts, and while I rarely go 100 miles for a Boston.pm meeting, or even 75 miles for Hartford.pm, I'd say up to 120 for Jax.pm. :) I'm usually in Jax about once a year, though (my family still lives there). I'll be sure to let y'all know when I'm traveling again. j From sneex at bellsouth.net Wed Apr 2 10:08:08 2003 From: sneex at bellsouth.net (WC Jones (Bill)) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] Meetings In-Reply-To: <1049295565.25597.1100.camel@development.gina.net> Message-ID: <4B9496A1-6525-11D7-B46B-0003930FDFC6@bellsouth.net> On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 09:59 AM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > I would like to organize a meeting. If you think you can attend a > meeting please indicate where you are located and how far you would be > willing to travel for the meeting. Include a suggestion for a topic if > you have one in mind. > > I am in Ocala and would be willing to drive ~100 miles (~200 round > trip) > for a meeting. Wow, that is somewhat a long drive. About 2 hours on the road for about, what, an hour or so meeting? While I am not trying to discourage you, I do want to keep things in perspective. Jax.PM has been around for 4+ years and, other than the meeting at YAPC and the ten or so Jax LUG meetings I attended, there simply has never been a lot of people that would lend itself to an organized meet and greet. Most of my involvements within Jacksonville over the last 8 years have dealt with education and awareness surrounding Unix/Linux/Open Source, of both myself and others. In that venue I feel we could meet quarterly to have a "membership" drive and at that time hold either a "Open Source' science fair or maybe a programming contest. My contacts at ORA would be more than happy to provide prizes (and if they do not I feel confident I can get local community and business involvement to raise funds for such a quarterly (or at least annual) local meeting.) I know that J will catch the :other than Perl: open source air of the event/meeting. My thoughts are we can see, initially, if there is enough local interests in Perl. But I am afraid, based upon my own research over the last two years, that such a meeting based simply on Perl we would find ourselves to be quite alone. In the last two years, from the four major book sellers (this includes FCCJ), less than 500 Perl-centric books were sold (probably 90% of those were ORA books; plus I must say about 200 of those were students whom I "strongly advised" into purchasing more books.) So, assuming overlap, and reselling issues, I would venture there are about 100-200 people in the Jacksonville area that are NOT yet members. Maybe they don't want to be members. Maybe they don't know about the group. I know the students I taught know about it. None of them, if I am not missing anyone, are members to my knowledge. I do not wish to end this on a sour note, so allow me to cast the first suggestion out for discussion: We plan to meet in May (it would take that long for me to get anything of interest from vendors) - We could plan a simple #!perl -w print "Hello Jax!"; With introductions to Perl, Perl in general, our group, and some demonstrations about Perl. The whole "presentation" would last at the most 2 hours -- maybe four if there is a "lot" of interest. What do you think about that? -Sx- :) From solution at gina.net Wed Apr 2 12:59:51 2003 From: solution at gina.net (Aaron Johnson) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] Meetings In-Reply-To: <4B9496A1-6525-11D7-B46B-0003930FDFC6@bellsouth.net> References: <4B9496A1-6525-11D7-B46B-0003930FDFC6@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: <1049309990.25598.1623.camel@development.gina.net> On Wed, 2003-04-02 at 11:08, WC Jones wrote: > [a jax.PM member posting] > On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 09:59 AM, Aaron Johnson wrote: > > I would like to organize a meeting. If you think you can attend a > > meeting please indicate where you are located and how far you would be > > willing to travel for the meeting. Include a suggestion for a topic if > > you have one in mind. > > > > I am in Ocala and would be willing to drive ~100 miles (~200 round > > trip) > > for a meeting. > > > Wow, that is somewhat a long drive. About 2 hours on the road for > about, what, an hour or so meeting? > > While I am not trying to discourage you, I do want to keep things > in perspective. Jax.PM has been around for 4+ years and, other > than the meeting at YAPC and the ten or so Jax LUG meetings I > attended, there simply has never been a lot of people that would > lend itself to an organized meet and greet. > > Most of my involvements within Jacksonville over the last 8 years > have dealt with education and awareness surrounding Unix/Linux/Open > Source, of both myself and others. > > In that venue I feel we could meet quarterly to have a "membership" > drive and at that time hold either a "Open Source' science fair or > maybe a programming contest. My contacts at ORA would be more than > happy to provide prizes (and if they do not I feel confident I can > get local community and business involvement to raise funds for > such a quarterly (or at least annual) local meeting.) > > I know that J will catch the :other than Perl: open source air of > the event/meeting. My thoughts are we can see, initially, if there > is enough local interests in Perl. But I am afraid, based upon my > own research over the last two years, that such a meeting based > simply on Perl we would find ourselves to be quite alone. > > In the last two years, from the four major book sellers (this > includes FCCJ), less than 500 Perl-centric books were sold > (probably 90% of those were ORA books; plus I must say about 200 of > those were students whom I "strongly advised" into purchasing more > books.) So, assuming overlap, and reselling issues, I would > venture there are about 100-200 people in the Jacksonville area > that are NOT yet members. > > Maybe they don't want to be members. Maybe they don't know about > the group. I know the students I taught know about it. None of > them, if I am not missing anyone, are members to my knowledge. > > I do not wish to end this on a sour note, so allow me to cast the > first suggestion out for discussion: > > We plan to meet in May (it would take that long for me to get > anything of interest from vendors) - We could plan a simple > #!perl -w > print "Hello Jax!"; > > With introductions to Perl, Perl in general, our group, and some > demonstrations about Perl. The whole "presentation" would last at > the most 2 hours -- maybe four if there is a "lot" of interest. > > What do you think about that? I like the basic plan. Lets keep this meeting as simple and adjustable as possible. Do you really think vendors will be interested in such a small meeting? I will put a message out to the Gainesville PM as well to see if anyone there would be interested in attending. If we get enough interest (4 people :) we might be able to arrange to meet in Strake or some other middle ground. Aaron > -Sx- :) > > _______________________________________________ > Jacksonville-pm mailing list > Jacksonville-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/jacksonville-pm > > From jproctor at persons.marlboro.edu Wed Apr 2 13:51:26 2003 From: jproctor at persons.marlboro.edu (Jason Proctor) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] Meetings In-Reply-To: <1049309990.25598.1623.camel@development.gina.net> Message-ID: >> I know that J will catch the :other than Perl: open source air of >> the event/meeting. *dingdingding* Give the man a cookie. :) >> So, assuming overlap, and reselling issues, I would >> venture there are about 100-200 people in the Jacksonville area >> that are NOT yet members. I'd say there are a million or so people in the area who aren't members; there are up to a couple hundred of them who *might* be using Perl. I have a Python book and quite a few Java books, and I really don't use either on a significant enough basis to even bother with a mailing list. >> We plan to meet in May (it would take that long for me to get >> anything of interest from vendors) - We could plan a simple >> #!perl -w >> print "Hello Jax!"; >> >> With introductions to Perl, Perl in general, our group, and some >> demonstrations about Perl. The whole "presentation" would last at >> the most 2 hours -- maybe four if there is a "lot" of interest. Chances are, almost everyone that would be interested in going is already on this mailing list (or knows someone who is). I'd be happy if you proved me wrong, but I don't see a "presentation" doing as well as a "let's get together and have some food, chat a little, etc." Very few of us consider programming fun enough that we want to hear about it in our "off" time. > I like the basic plan. Lets keep this meeting as simple and adjustable > as possible. Do you really think vendors will be interested in such a > small meeting? > > I will put a message out to the Gainesville PM as well to see if anyone > there would be interested in attending. If we get enough interest (4 > people :) we might be able to arrange to meet in Strake or some other > middle ground. Ooh! Starke! Now there's a hotbed of leading business technology. Maybe we could get some strawberry farmers and some guards from Raiford. Joking aside, you're more likely to get people to show up by offering free pizza and calling it "Northeast Florida Geek Day". Get the LUGs, etc. in on it. Let all the geek clubs set up tables with propaganda. Ideally, get someplace with electricity and an Internet connection. :) Vendors (i.e. O'Reilly, Manning, probably a non-publisher of some sort) would probably donate stuff for door prizes or somesuch rather than set up a booth. Get a local biz to cover the pizza and/or the location in exchange for "sponsored by" on every flat surface. Sometime in mid-May, Ottawa.pm is hosting a mini-yapc focused on Perl (and open source) advocacy. Or that's what they announced several months ago; it's not actually listed on the yapc site, and is mentioned only in passing on Ottawa.pm's site. Aside: the "real" yapc is in Boca Raton in June; anyone going? On consideration, immediately before or after this conference is my most likely time for a trip through Jax. Anyway, what would be really cool is the "Northeast Florida Open Source Expo" sponsored by ORA (and/or whoever) taking over the convention center for a couple of days. Somehow I don't see this happening in the next few years, but it's nice to dream big. j From greg at turnstep.com Wed Apr 2 16:32:03 2003 From: greg at turnstep.com (greg@turnstep.com) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] Meetings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 > Aside: the "real" yapc is in Boca Raton in June; anyone going? On > consideration, immediately before or after this conference is my most > likely time for a trip through Jax. I am thinking about going. I like the Perl atmosphere, but I really don't need to attend yet another Perl 6 pep rally. 1/2 :). I am going to the Open Source convention in Portland, and I am excited about that. As far as a local meeting, I may be able to attend. Maybe we could shoehoen onto a jaxlug meeting for maximum synergy? - -- Greg Sabino Mullane greg@turnstep.com PGP Key: 0x14964AC8 200304021731 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: http://www.turnstep.com/pgp.html iD8DBQE+i2TxvJuQZxSWSsgRAgm6AJwLlUvcJzOiGHjMexiMLVlb0uxH5QCdH1hv AcT626CYi5+ImCP7TakSSKI= =xMBe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From sneex at bellsouth.net Fri Apr 4 09:02:22 2003 From: sneex at bellsouth.net (WC Jones (Bill)) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] http://yapc.org/America Message-ID: <7080A36B-66AE-11D7-8D20-0003930FDFC6@bellsouth.net> Hi folks, If your members do not know, by chance, could you please pass along the info that YAPC::NA registration is now ongoing. There are dorm rooms being blocked off (more info later) and DoubleTree Guest Suites of Boca Raton are providing a special conference rate for us. People can find registration info and lodging info on the website: http://yapc.org/America/ If anyone has any questions, feel free to email me directly. I have a bunch of excellent abstracts for talks, and just need to get a schedule made. But, based on the proposals, it stands to be a great time for learning! Cheers, Kevin -- [Writing CGI Applications with Perl - http://perlcgi-book.com] "A surplus means there'll be money left over. Otherwise, it wouldn't be called a surplus." -- G.W. Bush, Kalamazoo, MI 10/27/2000 From sneex at bellsouth.net Fri Apr 4 11:25:25 2003 From: sneex at bellsouth.net (WC Jones (Bill)) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] some favicon.ico files Message-ID: <6C091FEE-66C2-11D7-8D20-0003930FDFC6@bellsouth.net> Off topic but fun none the less =) Here are some favicon.ico files you may want to play around with on your personal web sites. If you have a particular need for an icon let me know (off list) and I will make it for you. Use this code to make it work (after you ftp them to your DocRoot on the WWW server: Enjoy! -Sx- :) -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/appledouble-------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/appledouble-------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/appledouble-------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/appledouble-------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/appledouble-------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/appledouble-------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/appledouble From sneex at bellsouth.net Fri Apr 4 18:47:47 2003 From: sneex at bellsouth.net (WC Jones (Bill)) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] OK, so I stole one more... Message-ID: <38B14BD4-6700-11D7-AE3F-0003930FDFC6@bellsouth.net> and ... Just wait till the photos I took today come back... -Sx- -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type multipart/appledouble From sneex at bellsouth.net Fri Apr 4 20:40:58 2003 From: sneex at bellsouth.net (WC Jones (Bill)) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] WebCT Developer license Message-ID: <087BF11A-6710-11D7-AE3F-0003930FDFC6@bellsouth.net> [Jax.PM Admin Post: Announcement] Hi All :) As many of you may know I was recently informed that my contract with FCCJ will not be renewed. I was the Lead e-Systems Developer and Lead Courseware Support Analyst for both Blackboard and WebCT at FCCJ. The reason for this posting simple: I have negotiated a 1 year single student and developers license to host WebCT on my domain at InSecurity.Org If anyone on the Jax.PM list or those I have CC'ed would like to see it (it is more than 70% written in Perl) please let me know and I will give you SSH access to the system. We would all share that one SINGLE student account for performing course tests, etc. It would not be legal to actually serve live courses from, but something we can all play with and not worry about breaking it or legal entanglements. Anything you do of course would be published here for all to go "Awwwww - That was marvelous :)" The WebCT SE server version is the 3.6x series which is the last and latest (free) version that WebCT offers. There are two others they offer: 3.7CE and 3.8CE -- both are commercially priced and billed at "FTE" (full-time enrollment) rates. I believe this a rare opportunity, not just for myself (I have 3 years already invested into WebCT) but for those of you who are interested in Perl and especially something like WebCT - one of the top three leading Distance Learning CMS companies - this gives you a chance to see the "guts." I have a few details to finalize with WebCT about the license key and license itself, but at this stage it is a done deal. A few things to understand -- We will NOT have support from WebCT -- we will be alone in a lot of regard, so understand this is strictly a "per invitation, and voluntary" effort. I reserve the right to deny access in the future if things were to get out of hand, for example. http://www.webct.com/ is their corporate site -- if you are interested. I will publish the project site and open it thru my firewall once I have the system downloaded and installed. As always discussion, comments, etc, are welcome; for those of you who are NOT subscribed to the list - you are welcome to comment, but I will be moderating all non-member posts - so if you post back to the list and not to me you will get a bounce message which I will see. If your posting is relevant I will forward it to the Jax.PM Perl members for their viewing and comments. -Sx- :) (The insanely fearless leader who wonders when it will be all over...) From sneex at bellsouth.net Sat Apr 5 08:26:39 2003 From: sneex at bellsouth.net (WC Jones (Bill)) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] [NON-PERL] Fwd: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, April 4 Message-ID: <9D9E2FE8-6772-11D7-AE3F-0003930FDFC6@bellsouth.net> [Admin Post: Non-Perl] -Sx- Begin forwarded message: O'Reilly User Group Program Newsletter April 4, 2003 Please share this information with your members... Highlights This Week: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Book News ---------------------------------------------------------------- -Outlook Pocket Guide -Mastering Visual Studio .NET -.NET Windows Forms in a Nutshell -Content Syndication with RSS ---------------------------------------------------------------- Upcoming Events ---------------------------------------------------------------- -Brian McConnell ("Beyond Contact"), SFPCUG, San Francisco, CA --April 15 -JavaRanch Online Author Forum--Apr 15-18 -PHPCon East 2003, New York, NY--Apr 23-25 -Linuxfest Northwest 2003, Bellingham, WA--April 26 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Conference ---------------------------------------------------------------- -Free Amazon Workshop at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference -Registration is open for the 2003 O'Reilly Open Source Convention -O'Reilly Mac OS X Conference Call for Participation -Put Up an O'Reilly Open Source Convention Banner, Get a Free Book --------------------------------------------------------------- Safari ---------------------------------------------------------------- -"Go On Safari" winner--Hamster, LinuxChix ---------------------------------------------------------------- News ---------------------------------------------------------------- -Sift, Stir, Code: O'Reilly Cookbooks -Daddy, Are We There Yet? 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On the last day, four winners will be randomly selected from all Forum participants to win a copy of the book. http://www.javaranch.com/bookpromo.jsp ***PHPCon East 2003, New York, NY-- April 23-25 Join O'Reilly author and PHP inventor Rasmus Lerdorf ("PHP Pocket Reference") at PHPCon for his opening keynote and session on "PHP Tips and Tricks." Also, don't miss "PHP Cookbook" authors Adam Trachtenberg and David Sklar for their session, "Taming Large-Scale PHP Projects." PHPCon East 2003 Park Central Hotel 870 Seventh Avenue at 56th Street New York City, New York 10019-4038 http://php-con.com/ ***Linuxfest Northwest 2003, Bellingham, WA--April 26 Brian Aker ("Running Weblogs with Slash") and Randal Schwartz ("Learning Perl, 3rd Edition") will be speaking at Linuxfest Northwest 2003, a regional exposition for computer users interested in the Linux operating system and other Open Source software. This event is being organized by Linux User Groups from Bellingham, Kitsap Peninsula, Seattle, and Tacoma, and hosted by BTC. Admission to the event is free. April 26th, 2003,10am to 4pm Bellingham Technical College 3028 Lindbergh Avenue, Bellingham, WA 98225 For more information: http://linuxnorthwest.com For more events, please see: http://events.oreilly.com/ ================================================ Conference News ================================================ ***Free Amazon Workshop at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference This full-day workshop, located at ETech, examines the Amazon platform in depth, with a specific focus on web services APIs. Amazon.com employees and third party developers share case studies and demonstrations. Space is limited (and filling up quickly). Register for the workshop by April 14, 2003. To register, send an email to Linda Holder at lholder@oreilly.com with your contact information. 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Until next time-- Marsee From sneex at bellsouth.net Sun Apr 6 13:20:51 2003 From: sneex at bellsouth.net (WC Jones (Bill)) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] Meetings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <7F73CBCA-685C-11D7-8E3A-0003930FDFC6@bellsouth.net> I do not see a problem with that per se, but I would like to keep perl business separate. On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 05:32 PM, greg@turnstep.com wrote: > we could shoehoen onto a jaxlug meeting for maximum synergy? From jproctor at persons.marlboro.edu Mon Apr 7 08:45:22 2003 From: jproctor at persons.marlboro.edu (Jason Proctor) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] Meetings In-Reply-To: <7F73CBCA-685C-11D7-8E3A-0003930FDFC6@bellsouth.net> Message-ID: > I do not see a problem with that per se, but I would like to keep > perl business separate. Euw! Dirty GNU hippies! "Open source"! Bah! Oh, wait... I'm cranky today, because I didn't get nearly enough sleep all weekend. I don't need more daylight right now; I need more non-daylight. Anyway, since I've forgotten what the message said that's being replied to, I'm just going to state the obvious as bluntly as possible: What perl business? j From sneex at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 7 10:57:20 2003 From: sneex at bellsouth.net (WC Jones (Bill)) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] Meetings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <9D8BC582-6911-11D7-B1A1-0003930FDFC6@bellsouth.net> On Monday, April 7, 2003, at 09:45 AM, Jason Proctor wrote: > just going to state the obvious as bluntly as possible: > > What perl business? #!perl print "Ptuwiiiiii!"; # A virtual spitball... __END__ _Sx____________________ ('> iudicium ferat //\ Have Computer - v_/_ Will Hack... \|/ ____ \|/ "@'/ .. \`@" /_| \__/ |_\ \__U_/ From sneex at bellsouth.net Mon Apr 7 16:57:23 2003 From: sneex at bellsouth.net (WC Jones (Bill)) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] Fwd: [pm_groups] census - partial results Message-ID: World Stats =) Begin forwarded message: > So far I have received data from 20 groups. > The collected data is here: > > http://www.perl.org.il/pm/pmstat.html > > Based on this top 5 in terms of num of registrants > London.pm 432 > NY.pm 258 > Paris.pm 234 > Hungary.pm 162 > Israel.pm 120 > > Based on traffic (emails per month) > London.pm 750 > Israel.pm 230 > Paris.pm 150 > Hungary.pm 95 > Nordest.pm 70 (Italy) > > > The fact that Hungary.pm and Israel are in such a hight position > means that a lot of large pm groups have not sent any data yet. > Will you do it please ? > I'd like to show reasonably correct data about us on the Linux > conference I am attending in 2 days. > > Group Name: > No. Subscribers: > Avegerage No. Monthly Posts: > No. Posts in March: > Meetings: > Conferences: > > Gabor > > _______________________________________________ > pm_groups mailing list > pm_groups@pm.org > http://www.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pm_groups > From sneex at bellsouth.net Sat Apr 12 21:10:58 2003 From: sneex at bellsouth.net (WC Jones (Bill)) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:51 2004 Subject: [Jax.PM] Any Spades Players? Message-ID: <2A5B020F-6D55-11D7-81F2-0003930FDFC6@bellsouth.net> Card games? #!perl @suites = qw/h c d s/; foreach $suite (@suites) { foreach $cards (2..13) { # wget http://masterspades.home.att.net $card = $cards if ($cards < 10); $card = 'j' if ($cards == 10); $card = 'q' if ($cards == 11); $card = 'k' if ($cards == 12); $card = 'a' if ($cards == 13); print "/cards/$card$suite.gif\n"; } } ??? -Sx- PS - My Yahoo Spades ID(s) are: iudiciumferat wannalickin2 spadesnihilist In case anyone actually plays Yahoo Spades :)