From bill at fccj.org Sat Jan 1 09:20:33 2000 From: bill at fccj.org (Bill Jones) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Bill Jones wrote - Jacksonville Perl Mongers: I hope all of you survived the Y2k bug! -Sneex- :] _______________________________________________________________________ Bill Jones | Systems Programmer | http://www.fccj.org/cgi/mail?sneex FCCJ | 501 W State St | Jacksonville, FL 32202 | 1 (904) 632-3089 Trust the computer industry to shorten "Year 2000" to "Y2k". It was this kind of thinking that caused the problem in the first place. -- Tony Poldrugovac The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From bill at fccj.org Sat Jan 1 09:33:00 2000 From: bill at fccj.org (Bill Jones) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Bill Jones wrote - > This is the Postfix program at host leap.innerx.net. > > I'm sorry to have to inform you that the message returned > below could not be delivered to one or more destinations. > > For further assistance, please contact > > If you do so, please include this problem report. You can > delete your own text from the message returned below. > > The Postfix program > > --- Delivery error report follows --- > > : unknown user: "saintvick" > saintvick@cybermax.net will be deleted from the JaxPM list. ____________________________________________________________________ Bill Jones * Systems Programmer * http://www.fccj.org/cgi/mail?sneex ('> Running - //\ Perl, Apache, MySQL, PHP3, v_/_ Ultra 10, LinuxPPC, BeOS... The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From bill at fccj.org Thu Jan 6 09:53:27 2000 From: bill at fccj.org (Bill Jones) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Bill Jones wrote - list users The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From bill at fccj.org Thu Jan 6 09:56:14 2000 From: bill at fccj.org (Bill Jones) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] S u b s c r i b e r Notice Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Bill Jones wrote - Jacksonville Perl Mongers - This is an ADMIN Note: If your e-mail address changes and you don't u n s u b s c r i b e the old one and r e - s u b s c r i b e with the correct address, I will not be able to forward any postings. All undeliverable addresses are deleted. Any spammer postings will be forwarded to their respective ISP (backbone and/or e-mail providers for resolution.) Thank you; we now return to our regularly scheduled silence... -Sneex- :] _______________________________________________________________________ Bill Jones | Systems Programmer | http://www.fccj.org/cgi/mail?sneex FCCJ | 501 W State St | Jacksonville, FL 32202 | 1 (904) 632-3089 $_="Jacksonville Perl Mongers";while(/([Jacksonville Perl Mongers])/g){ print join(" ",map{defined $_ ? $_ : ""}$`,$&,$',$+),"\n";} The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From Sara at openhere.com Fri Jan 21 10:41:25 2000 From: Sara at openhere.com (Sara@openhere.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: Your site has been included on OpenHere Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Sara@openhere.com wrote - Hi, Your site has been included in the OpenHere.com index and search engine. OpenHere is one of the 10 largest index and search sites on the Internet. Your site listing is: Link: http://jacksonville.pm.org Title: Jacksonville.pm Description: You might have already received a message similar to this one, as we send a note when ever we add a link to your site in a different category on OpenHere.com. At OpenHere you can dynamically modify your site's listing at any time. You can also include your site's listing in other categories on OpenHere.com. When you modify your site's listing, it is automatically placed at the top of the category in which it is included, and is placed first in the search engine results for the keywords relating to your site. To modify, add or delete your listing: 1. Go to the page on OpenHere where your site is presently listed or you would like it listed. 2. Select "Suggest a Site". 3. Follow the instructions for changing your listing. All of the modifications you submit to OpenHere.com are processed in real time. As soon as you see the response to your submission, your site listing should be updated. www.OpenHere.com is frequented by both children and families. As a result, www.OpenHere.com does not include links to material which is illegal to display to minors. Sara www.OpenHere.com Your key to the Net! The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From bill at fccj.org Fri Jan 21 13:04:15 2000 From: bill at fccj.org (Bill Jones) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: Your site has been included on OpenHere In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Bill Jones wrote - on 01/21/2000 11:41 AM, Sara@openhere.com at Sara@openhere.com wrote: > On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; > Sara@openhere.com wrote - > > Obviously I will need to start moderating the list... ____________________________________________________________________ Bill Jones * Systems Programmer * http://www.fccj.org/cgi/mail?sneex ('> Running - //\ Perl, Apache, MySQL, PHP3, v_/_ Ultra 10, LinuxPPC, BeOS... The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From Sara at openhere.com Fri Jan 21 23:19:48 2000 From: Sara at openhere.com (Sara@openhere.com) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: Your site has been included on OpenHere Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Sara@openhere.com wrote - Hi, Your site has been included in the OpenHere.com index and search engine. OpenHere is one of the 10 largest index and search sites on the Internet. Your site listing is: Link: http://jacksonville.pm.org Title: Jacksonville.pm Description: You might have already received a message similar to this one, as we send a note when ever we add a link to your site in a different category on OpenHere.com. At OpenHere you can dynamically modify your site's listing at any time. You can also include your site's listing in other categories on OpenHere.com. When you modify your site's listing, it is automatically placed at the top of the category in which it is included, and is placed first in the search engine results for the keywords relating to your site. To modify, add or delete your listing: 1. Go to the page on OpenHere where your site is presently listed or you would like it listed. 2. Select "Suggest a Site". 3. Follow the instructions for changing your listing. All of the modifications you submit to OpenHere.com are processed in real time. As soon as you see the response to your submission, your site listing should be updated. www.OpenHere.com is frequented by both children and families. As a result, www.OpenHere.com does not include links to material which is illegal to display to minors. Sara www.OpenHere.com Your key to the Net! The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From bill at fccj.org Mon Jan 24 11:15:08 2000 From: bill at fccj.org (Bill Jones) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Bill Jones wrote - Jacksonville Perl Mongers: I hear there is a Windows/Perl group somewhere in jax, FL? Anyone have any idea what / where it might be? Thx, -Sneex- The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... (NOTE: This LIST is Moderated...) From bill at fccj.org Mon Jan 24 11:38:22 2000 From: bill at fccj.org (Bill Jones) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Bill Jones wrote - Jacksonville Perl Mongers I hear there is a Windows/Perl group somewhere in jax, FL? Anyone have any idea what / where it might be? Thx, -Sneex- The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... (NOTE: This LIST is Moderated...) From bill at fccj.org Mon Jan 24 12:05:05 2000 From: bill at fccj.org (Bill Jones) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Bill Jones wrote - Jacksonville Perl Mongers I hear there is a Windows/Perl group somewhere in jax, FL? Anyone have any idea what / where it might be? Thx, -Sneex- The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... (NOTE: This LIST is Moderated...) From jax at jacksonville.pm.org Mon Jan 24 12:47:23 2000 From: jax at jacksonville.pm.org (Jax PM Moderator) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Re: BOUNCE jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org: Approval required: In-Reply-To: <200001241840.NAA26644@happyfunball.pm.org> Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Jax PM Moderator wrote - From jax at jacksonville.pm.org Mon Jan 24 12:59:53 2000 From: jax at jacksonville.pm.org (Jax PM Moderator) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] List is now moderated... In-Reply-To: <200001241848.NAA26694@happyfunball.pm.org> Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Jax PM Moderator wrote - User-Agent: Microsoft Outlook Express Macintosh Edition - 5.0 (1513) Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 13:54:02 -0500 Subject: [JaxPM] List is now moderated... From: Bill Jones To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 X-Sender: Sneex X-Sender: Systems Programmer --------------------------------------------------------------------- On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Bill Jones wrote - Jacksonville Perl Mongers: Moderator's Test Msg - Part Two. As I learn how to clean up the 'approval required' messages things will look neater. One bad thing I've noticed is that the original poster is lost in the translation. So, after looking at headers, rewrites, etc, I think this is a good format to use when re-sending; that way people can e-mail each other. All posts need to be approved from hence forth. Posters who I can trust I may allow by-pass access in the future - I have to figure out how to add them to a pre-authorized list... Thank you for your patience! -Sneex- :] The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... (NOTE: This LIST is Moderated...) From jax at jacksonville.pm.org Mon Jan 24 22:21:21 2000 From: jax at jacksonville.pm.org (Jax PM Moderator) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] test #3 In-Reply-To: <200001242032.PAA27085@happyfunball.pm.org> Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Jax PM Moderator wrote - Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2000 19:28:48 -0800 (PST) From: Nate X-Sender: nate@manic.campin.net To: jacksonville-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: test #3 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII testing.. testing... please ignore [Moderators Note: I can't ignore; the list is now moderated.] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nate@netimages.com Nate Campi nate@campin.net Tel: 408.919.1300 Net Images, Inc. Fax: 408.919.1307 www.netimages.com Unix System Administration www.campin.net/~nate ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... (NOTE: This LIST is Moderated...) From jax at jacksonville.pm.org Mon Jan 24 22:34:32 2000 From: jax at jacksonville.pm.org (Jax PM Moderator) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] No meetings - yet... In-Reply-To: <200001250421.XAA28977@happyfunball.pm.org> Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Jax PM Moderator wrote - blackgr@alltel.net Posted: Well... I've been meaning to get around to this for some time; guess now is as good a time as any :-) I reside in Douglas, GA, and have been programming in a FoxPro environment for four to five years now, using Linux, Perl, and Perl/Tk when I can. I've been giving serious thought to relocating to Jacksonville later this year. Would be happy to one day get out of a Microsoft centric development environment but it certainly won't happen in Douglas. Anyone on the list making their living to any degree with Perl? Also, I need to acquire five to ten Meg of web/ftp space to have a place to drop my resume and source code for public access. I need something without dial-up access and independent of my present ISP. Reasonable cost and Linux friendly would be nice too :-) I'm looking for space that will maintain continuity regardless of where I might be dialing in. Any advice appreciated. So, no meetings yet I understand!? Anything in the works? Glynn Black blackgr@alltel.net [Moderator's Note: No, no meetings as of yet.] The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... (NOTE: This LIST is Moderated...) From jacksonville-pm-list at pm.org Tue Jan 25 08:49:42 2000 From: jacksonville-pm-list at pm.org (Jax PM Moderator) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] No meetings - yet... In-Reply-To: <200001251355.IAA00748@happyfunball.pm.org> Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Jax PM Moderator wrote - jproctor@oit.umass.edu Posted: Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:22:29 -0500 (EST) From: j proctor Subject: Re: [JaxPM] No meetings - yet... In-reply-to: To: jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT > Would be happy to one day get out of a Microsoft centric development > environment but it certainly won't happen in Douglas. Anyone on the list > making their living to any degree with Perl? Yes, but I'm nowhere near Jacksonville. I'll think of you all as I go play in the snow this afternoon. I'll think of you and how much I miss the beach. :) > Also, I need to acquire five to ten Meg of web/ftp space to have a place to > drop my resume and source code for public access. I need something without > dial-up access and independent of my present ISP. Reasonable cost and > Linux friendly would be nice too :-) I'm looking for space that will > maintain continuity regardless of where I might be dialing in. Any advice > appreciated. I'll throw in a pitch for Addy & Associates (addy.com), a reliable and friendly web hosting firm in Callahan, FL (just north of town). Full disclosure: I worked there for 6 months in 1997, and have known the owner for many years. Since I noticed your email address, I'll also throw in the caveat that Alltel is their phone company, although I don't recall the service being particularly bad (except for that little snag when they moved the T1 a couple years ago). I think their primary net connection is still through Digex. They're BSD-based, but that's not Linux-unfriendly, anyway. Unlike many ISPs, they're open about system status, friendly enough that they'll fudge the bandwidth numbers if you didn't quite stay within your limits, and have few restrictions on shell access and CGI programming. j The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... (NOTE: This LIST is Moderated...) From jacksonville-pm-list at pm.org Tue Jan 25 08:52:40 2000 From: jacksonville-pm-list at pm.org (Jax PM Moderator) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] No meetings - yet... In-Reply-To: <388D7E2E.513AD9E7@cybermax.net> Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Jax PM Moderator wrote - on 01/25/2000 5:42 AM, Doug Howk at dhowk@cybermax.net wrote: >> >> blackgr@alltel.net Posted: >> >> Well... I've been meaning to get around to this for some time; guess now is >> as good a time as any :-) >> >> I reside in Douglas, GA, and have been programming in a FoxPro environment >> for four to five years now, using Linux, Perl, and Perl/Tk when I can. I've >> been giving serious thought to relocating to Jacksonville later this year. >> Would be happy to one day get out of a Microsoft centric development >> environment but it certainly won't happen in Douglas. Anyone on the list >> making their living to any degree with Perl? >> >> Also, I need to acquire five to ten Meg of web/ftp space to have a place to >> drop my resume and source code for public access. I need something without >> dial-up access and independent of my present ISP. Reasonable cost and >> Linux friendly would be nice too :-) I'm looking for space that will >> maintain continuity regardless of where I might be dialing in. Any advice >> appreciated. >> >> So, no meetings yet I understand!? Anything in the works? >> >> Glynn Black blackgr@alltel.net >> >> [Moderator's Note: No, no meetings as of yet.] In response to anyone out there using Perl at work: For the past year I've been using Perl on Windows NT in support of a Navy extranet web site. By the way, the company I work for is looking for a web developer ( if interested, please contact me at dhowk@cybermax.net). Using Perl on NT has been a challenge, but there are increasing resources such as cgi.pm available. We are switching our databases from ms access to oracle on NT. We have a HP-9000 that we hope to get running as another possible database server. We use LDAP server for authentication & starting to use it for process control. Besides Perl, we also use Cold Fusion an a database interface ( almost the entire web site is dynamic, database driven). Doug Howk [Mdoerater's Note: Headers have been fixed so that replies are to the list and not to the moderator. Thx :] The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... (NOTE: This LIST is Moderated...) From jacksonville-pm-list at pm.org Tue Jan 25 16:32:02 2000 From: jacksonville-pm-list at pm.org (Jax PM Moderator) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Moderator's comments Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Jax PM Moderator wrote - Hello all :) Now that the list is moderated, I wold like to ask everyone a question: Do you care? Would you rather the list be unmoderated - and prone to being spammed from time to time, or would you rather it be moderated - to ensure things are on topic? Personally, after seeing how much work moderation will take, I think either a open list or a semi-private one would be best for me - a lot less work. Please send me your thoughts! -Sneex- :] _______________________________________________________________________ Bill Jones | Systems Programmer | http://www.fccj.org/cgi/mail?sneex FCCJ | 501 W State St | Jacksonville, FL 32202 | 1 (904) 632-3089 $_="Jacksonville Perl Mongers";while(/([Jacksonville Perl Mongers])/g){ print join(" ",map{defined $_ ? $_ : ""}$`,$&,$',$+),"\n";} The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... (NOTE: This LIST is Moderated...) From jacksonville-pm-list at pm.org Tue Jan 25 17:28:12 2000 From: jacksonville-pm-list at pm.org (Jax PM Moderator) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Moderator's comments In-Reply-To: <200001252318.SAA03797@happyfunball.pm.org> Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Jax PM Moderator wrote - On Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:14:38 -0800 (PST), Nate , Posted: Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 22:14:38 -0800 (PST) From: Nate X-Sender: nate@manic.campin.net To: Jax PM Moderator Cc: jacksonville-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: [JaxPM] Moderator's comments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Jax PM Moderator wrote: > On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; > Jax PM Moderator wrote - > > Do you care? Would you rather the list be unmoderated - and > prone to being spammed from time to time, or would you > rather it be moderated - to ensure things are on topic? > > Personally, after seeing how much work moderation will take, > I think either a open list or a semi-private one would be > best for me - a lot less work. Taking into account that I've been on this list for about 6 months or so, and only rememeber one spam incident, I'd say give yourself a break, Bill. One extra spam message on top of the many we already receive is nothing, so go catch up on your sleep ;) The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... (NOTE: This LIST is Moderated...) From jacksonville-pm-list at pm.org Tue Jan 25 17:48:26 2000 From: jacksonville-pm-list at pm.org (Jax PM Moderator) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Re: BOUNCE jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org: Approval required: In-Reply-To: <200001252334.SAA03882@happyfunball.pm.org> Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Jax PM Moderator wrote - on 01/25/2000 6:34 PM, owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org at owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org wrote: > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:35:58 -0500 (EST) > From: Daniel Stringfield > X-Sender: dstringf@sasquatch.fccj.cc.fl.us > To: Jax PM Moderator > Subject: Re: [JaxPM] Moderator's comments > In-Reply-To: > Message-ID: > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > >> Taking into account that I've been on this list for about 6 months or so, >> and only rememeber one spam incident, I'd say give yourself a break, Bill. > > Not only that, but it makes it harder to read after being moderated. > Moderator's Note Follows: True. :) One good this is that I can insert my own comments BEFORE sending it out... Once I hear from a majority - we can vote on it. Let's let it cook awhile. There hasn't been a whole lot of traffic lately anyway and I hear there is a competing group which only does Perl on Windows. Anyone seen or heard of such a group? ____________________________________________________________________ Bill Jones * Systems Programmer * http://www.fccj.org/cgi/mail?sneex ('> Running - //\ Perl, Apache, MySQL, PHP3, v_/_ Ultra 10, LinuxPPC, BeOS... The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... (NOTE: This LIST is Moderated...) From bill at fccj.org Tue Jan 25 17:51:08 2000 From: bill at fccj.org (Bill Jones) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: I think ... Message-ID: That's debatable... :) (No laffs, just testing another path...) ____________________________________________________________________ Bill Jones * Systems Programmer * http://www.fccj.org/cgi/mail?sneex ('> Running - //\ Perl, Apache, MySQL, PHP3, v_/_ Ultra 10, LinuxPPC, BeOS... From bill at fccj.org Tue Jan 25 17:53:04 2000 From: bill at fccj.org (Bill Jones) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: Sorry, I forgot the subject: Re: [JaxPM] Moderator's comments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: on 01/25/2000 6:48 PM, Jax PM Moderator at jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org wrote: >>> Taking into account that I've been on this list for about 6 months or so, >>> and only rememeber one spam incident, I'd say give yourself a break, Bill. >> >> Not only that, but it makes it harder to read after being moderated. >> > > > Moderator's Note Follows: > > True. :) > > One good this is that I can insert my own > comments BEFORE sending it out... > > Once I hear from a majority - we can vote on it. > > Let's let it cook awhile. > > There hasn't been a whole lot of traffic lately > anyway and I hear there is a competing group > which only does Perl on Windows. > > Anyone seen or heard of such a group? > ____________________________________________________________________ > Bill Jones * Systems Programmer * http://www.fccj.org/cgi/mail?sneex From jacksonville-pm-list at happyfunball.pm.org Tue Jan 25 18:00:25 2000 From: jacksonville-pm-list at happyfunball.pm.org (Jax PM Moderator) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Moderator's comments In-Reply-To: <200001252348.SAA03981@happyfunball.pm.org> Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Jax PM Moderator wrote - Reply-To: "Timothy Reid Dumas" From: "Timothy Reid Dumas" To: References: Subject: Re: [JaxPM] Moderator's comments Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:47:32 -0500 Organization: www.digitalacid.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Eh, just leave it open . . . . no need to have you doing a bunch of extra work when people arent saying anything anyway. Tim Dumas www.blindswholesale.com webmaster@blindswholesale.com ($_="115630525841264815593750 59425919501649496140251515604 14115302119504049415815213536 15491760422119366061522953532 11559584920263641371859145844 1526")=~s/(.)(.)(..)/pack("C", substr($_[1],$1.$2,4).substr ($_[1],$3,4))/ge if $_[1]= unpack("B*",);print; __END__ WINDOZE -- 99 little bugs in the code, 99 bugs in the code. Fix one bug, compile again, 100 little bugs in the code. 100 little bugs in the code, 100 bugs in the code. Fix one bug, compile again, 101 little bugs in the code... The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... (NOTE: This LIST is Moderated...) From jacksonville-pm-list at happyfunball.pm.org Tue Jan 25 18:22:15 2000 From: jacksonville-pm-list at happyfunball.pm.org (Jax PM Moderator) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] One other bad thing may be ... Message-ID: On the Jax.PM jacksonville-pm-list; Jax PM Moderator wrote - When I go home, the moderation feature stops... Oops! -Sneex- :] _______________________________________________________________________ Bill Jones | Systems Programmer | http://www.fccj.org/cgi/mail?sneex FCCJ | 501 W State St | Jacksonville, FL 32202 | 1 (904) 632-3089 $_="Jacksonville Perl Mongers";while(/([Jacksonville Perl Mongers])/g){ print join(" ",map{defined $_ ? $_ : ""}$`,$&,$',$+),"\n";} The Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group is operated by - Bill -Sneex- Jones ( sneex@usa.net ), to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... (NOTE: This LIST is Moderated...) From jacksonville-pm-list at happyfunball.pm.org Wed Jan 26 08:13:21 2000 From: jacksonville-pm-list at happyfunball.pm.org (Jax PM Moderator) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Moderator's comments In-Reply-To: <200001260251.VAA04601@happyfunball.pm.org> Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er Jax PM Moderator wrote - on 01/25/2000 9:51 PM, owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org at owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org wrote: >> From sneex@fccj.org Tue Jan 25 21:50:58 2000 > Received: from smtp.alligator.org (IDENT:mail@pinky.alligator.org > [38.200.217.98]) > by happyfunball.pm.org (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA04597 > for ; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 21:50:57 -0500 (EST) > Received: from osi by smtp.alligator.org with local (Exim 2.11 #1) > id 12DIdA-0008BA-00 > for jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org; Tue, 25 Jan 2000 21:56:28 -0500 > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 21:56:28 -0500 > From: kiss the sun and walk on air > To: Jax PM Moderator > Subject: Re: [JaxPM] Moderator's comments > Message-ID: <20000125215628.A30627@alligator.org> > References: > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i > In-Reply-To: ; from Jax PM > Moderator on Tue, Jan 25, 2000 at 05:32:02PM -0500 > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2000 at 05:32:02PM -0500, Jax PM Moderator wrote: >> Do you care? Would you rather the list be unmoderated - and >> prone to being spammed from time to time, or would you >> rather it be moderated - to ensure things are on topic? > > I don't think this list needs to be moderated. Moderation only works > for specific forums and something on perl just isn't one in my book :) > > Besides, if the worry is spam, can't you set the listserv to only > accept posts from people that have subscribed? afaik, most mailing > list softwares support that. > -pete [Moderator's Note: No, I already tried that; but there is still a way, something I haven't yet seen - or possibly have no control over - that allowed people not subscribed to post stuff I consider advertisements which verge on spamming. I have mentioned this to the PM.Org parent group (the people that manage the server this group is hosted on) and was told that I have to figure it out myself. No big deal. After looking at many things - I know how to moderate the group. We get very little traffic, not enough to moderate. But - I also have this deep desire to kill the entire family of spammers (even going back in time and killing them before they are born.) It is a deep set mental condition that I should seek professional help for, I realize. So, I asked the group if they care about the possibility of being spammed thru their participation in this group. So far, only I seem to care :) So, after thinking about it, sleeping on it; if there are no 'majority' objections - I will remove moderation. Thx for your input! -Sneex- :] _______________________________________________________________________ Bill Jones | Systems Programmer | http://www.fccj.org/cgi/mail?sneex FCCJ | 501 W State St | Jacksonville, FL 32202 | 1 (904) 632-3089 $_="Jacksonville Perl Mongers";while(/([Jacksonville Perl Mongers])/g){ print join(" ",map{defined $_ ? $_ : ""}$`,$&,$',$+),"\n";} __________________________________________________ This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at: owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From bill at fccj.org Wed Jan 26 08:14:44 2000 From: bill at fccj.org (Bill Jones) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] List Moderator Comments Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er Bill Jones wrote - Jacksonville Perl Mongers As you can by this post - the list is no longer moderated. Enjoy! -Sneex- :] __________________________________________________ This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at: owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From jacksonville-pm-list at happyfunball.pm.org Wed Jan 26 08:17:23 2000 From: jacksonville-pm-list at happyfunball.pm.org (Jax PM Moderator) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Jax, FL NT Specific Perl Group? In-Reply-To: <200001261330.IAA06155@happyfunball.pm.org> Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er Jax PM Moderator wrote - The only one I know about is the following. http://www.topica.com/lists/perl-ntadmins I receive about 25 messages a day from this one. Sometime a lot more but it's funny sometime to see some of the questions. I help whenever I can....... I haven't seen anything dedicated to just the Jacksonville area but would be interested....... > There hasn't been a whole lot of traffic lately > anyway and I hear there is a competing group > which only does Perl on Windows. > > Anyone seen or heard of such a group? > ____________________________________________________________________ > Bill Jones * Systems Programmer * http://www.fccj.org/cgi/mail?sneex __________________________________________________ This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at: owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From jacksonville-pm-list at happyfunball.pm.org Wed Jan 26 08:19:47 2000 From: jacksonville-pm-list at happyfunball.pm.org (Jax PM Moderator) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Moderator's comments In-Reply-To: <200001261209.HAA05920@happyfunball.pm.org> Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er Jax PM Moderator wrote - I have no problems with the level of spam on this list so far. I think you are working too hard on it. Don't worry, we'll let you know if it gets too bad. Scott __________________________________________________ This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at: owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From jproctor at oit.umass.edu Wed Jan 26 09:02:34 2000 From: jproctor at oit.umass.edu (j proctor) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Moderator's comments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er j proctor wrote - Well, since I wasn't around the office yesterday afternoon (it only took them 3 hours to decide that yes, this was a snow emergency) and didn't feel like reading email from home, I didn't get to participate in the discussion yesterday. I appreciate Bill's attitude towards spam (it's uncannily similar to my own), but I think moderation is overkill, and it creates work for Bill where there really need be none. (Also, what would we do if he wanted to take a vacation?) If the list is served by majordomo (it's been awhile since I subscribed, but I seem to recall it is), then there's a way to block non-members from posting. The easiest way around this is because the signup process is automated--majordomo is so common, it's not hard to imagine a filter on the spammer's reply-to address that watches for the canned response and subscribes to the list. If the default settings are still in place, majordomo sends mail to Bill when there's a new subscription. Chances are, attentive though he is, this isn't enough warning to stop a spammer. I'll propose that we activate the members-only switch, as well as the owner-must-approve-subscriptions one (not their real names). And then let's get back to the business of not saying a damned thing, much less actually talking about Perl! :) j Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From bill at fccj.org Wed Jan 26 14:29:09 2000 From: bill at fccj.org (Bill Jones) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Moderator's comments In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er Bill Jones wrote - on 01/26/2000 10:02 AM, j proctor at jproctor@oit.umass.edu wrote: > I'll propose that we activate the members-only switch, as well as the > owner-must-approve-subscriptions one (not their real names). And then > let's get back to the business of not saying a damned thing, much less > actually talking about Perl! :) > Hear Hear! ____________________________________________________________________ Bill Jones * Systems Programmer * http://www.fccj.org/cgi/mail?sneex ('> Running - //\ Perl, Apache, MySQL, PHP3, v_/_ Ultra 10, LinuxPPC, BeOS... Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From blackgr at alltel.net Wed Jan 26 19:19:32 2000 From: blackgr at alltel.net (Glynn Black) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] No meetings - yet... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er Glynn Black wrote - On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Jax PM Moderator wrote: > > > Would be happy to one day get out of a Microsoft centric development > > environment but it certainly won't happen in Douglas. Anyone on the list > > making their living to any degree with Perl? > > Yes, but I'm nowhere near Jacksonville. I'll think of you all as I go > play in the snow this afternoon. I'll think of you and how much I miss > the beach. :) > > Lucky you. Although I spent three years in Savannah, GA prior to my present location, I'm still two to three hours away from the nearest beach myself. I'm the type who likes to spend time on southern beaches in the fall and winter anyway. > > Also, I need to acquire five to ten Meg of web/ftp space to have a place to > > drop my resume and source code for public access. I need something without > > dial-up access and independent of my present ISP. Reasonable cost and > > Linux friendly would be nice too :-) I'm looking for space that will > > maintain continuity regardless of where I might be dialing in. Any advice > > appreciated. > > I'll throw in a pitch for Addy & Associates (addy.com), a reliable and > friendly web hosting firm in Callahan, FL (just north of town). Full > disclosure: I worked there for 6 months in 1997, and have known the owner > for many years. Since I noticed your email address, I'll also throw in > the caveat that Alltel is their phone company, although I don't recall the > service being particularly bad (except for that little snag when they > moved the T1 a couple years ago). I think their primary net connection is > still through Digex. > > They're BSD-based, but that's not Linux-unfriendly, anyway. Unlike many > ISPs, they're open about system status, friendly enough that they'll fudge > the bandwidth numbers if you didn't quite stay within your limits, and > have few restrictions on shell access and CGI programming. > I appreciate the pointer. I just took a look and I'm pleasantly surprised. I would have expected to pay much more for the listed services. Looks like abby.com will fit the bill nicely. Thanks. Glynn Black blackgr@alltel.net Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From nate at netimages.com Wed Jan 26 23:16:17 2000 From: nate at netimages.com (Nate) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] advanced sorting Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er Nate wrote - I need to sort a report I made (using perl of course) on some ftp logs, and I want to sort the results by domain name. I'm not quite sure how to do this, but here's one idea I had. The names are keys in a hash, so could I do something like @rev = reverse keys(%domainfiles); @sorted = reverse(sort(@rev)); and now @sorted is sorted by domain name? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nate@netimages.com Nate Campi nate@campin.net Tel: 408.919.1300 Net Images, Inc. Fax: 408.919.1307 www.netimages.com Unix System Administration www.campin.net/~nate ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From jproctor at oit.umass.edu Fri Jan 28 08:41:23 2000 From: jproctor at oit.umass.edu (j proctor) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] advanced sorting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er j proctor wrote - > The names are keys in a hash, so could I do something like > > @rev = reverse keys(%domainfiles); > @sorted = reverse(sort(@rev)); > > and now @sorted is sorted by domain name? Hashes don't store keys in any particular order (or, technically, they're not guaranteed to store in any order that's easy and/or obvious for a human to predetermine), so the first reverse probably isn't doing much useful for you anyway. Maybe I'm missing something, but what about leaving out the double-reverse entirely and just using @sorted = sort(keys(%domainfiles)); Or even build the loop into it: foreach $domain (sort(keys(%domainfiles))) If you're trying to sort by top-level domain first, then second-level, the best thing to do would be to redefine sort. Offhand, I don't remember the exact syntax to do this, but I'd recommend your sort function (and its invocation) look something like: foreach $domain (sort domainsort keys(%domainfiles)) # ... whatever you're doing with each domain ... sub domainsort { @key1 = reverse(split('.', $a)); @key2 = reverse(split('.', $b)); # determine the domain with the fewest .'s. i thought i remembered # a min() function, but it wasn't mentioned in the camel. $min = $#key1; if ($min > $#key2) { $min = $#key2; } # step through the domain-parts, stop when you find a pair that # aren't equal, or when you reach the end of one domain-list. for ($i = 0; $i <= $min; $i++) { if ($key1[$i] ne $key2[$i]) { last; } } # this is the part that i'm sorta hazy on, and should be tested: # return the comparison value for whatever wasn't equal, or # compare the next key in a longer domain to null. return $key1[$i] cmp $key2[$i]; } Hope this helps. j Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From bill at fccj.org Sun Jan 30 12:34:40 2000 From: bill at fccj.org (Bill Jones) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] Re: GPM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er Bill Jones wrote - > #!/usr/local/bin/gainesville-pm-list/"tomb." > active in that we practice perl...but as of yet there have been no > official meetings. maybe we need a show of hands as to how many people > (on this list etc.) are both close enough and wanting scheduled meetings, > i belive meetings were in the original plans for the group it just hasn't > gotten off it's feet yet. if we have enough people willing we could start > by bringing the gpm webpage to something ....well...usable? > tomb. > > > On Sat, 29 Jan 2000, Heath Morrison wrote: > > | #!/usr/local/bin/gainesville-pm-list/Heath Morrison > | > | > | Is this an active group? :> > | > | I do a lot of perl development, and I've been looking for a group of people > | with similar interests in my area (Gainesville). > | > | Are there any sort of scheduled meetings..or..anything? :> I am both close enough and interested. Meetings never got off the ground here at the Jax.PM list either... We have 16 members, and most of them are out-of-state... /^Cheers$/ig; -Sneex- :] _______________________________________________________________________ Bill Jones | Systems Programmer | http://www.fccj.org/cgi/mail?sneex FCCJ | 501 W State St | Jacksonville, FL 32202 | 1 (904) 632-3089 $_="Jacksonville Perl Mongers";while(/([Jacksonville Perl Mongers])/g){ print join(" ",map{defined $_ ? $_ : ""}$`,$&,$',$+),"\n";} Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments... From nate at netimages.com Mon Jan 31 20:07:49 2000 From: nate at netimages.com (Nate) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:02:31 2004 Subject: [JaxPM] perl documentation Message-ID: On the jacksonville-pm-list; Jax.PM'er Nate wrote - I've been wondering lately if there is a very big difference between the online documentation for perl and the O'Reilly books. The O'Reilly books are fantastic, and they are the reason that I haven't had to come to the list much for help. I have a quick reference (Perl in a Nutshell), an in-depth tutorial on the most commonly used aspects of the language (Learning Perl), an in-depth language reference (Camel book), and a handy guide to help me start a new project in the right direction (Cookbook). The funny thing is, the other day I looked up some information on perl formats, and I saw the exact same info in the Camel and in the online docs. I mean EXACTLY. I haven't had the time to look up a bunch of other things to see how similar they are, but I suspect that since Tom C. wrote most of the perl online docs (or so I've heard) along with Larry and Randal that they would be quite similar overall. What is the take of the more seasoned perl-mongers on the list? Would you say that a novice should just buy Learning Perl and rely on the online docs from there, and save some bread? There is the obvious advantage of being able to read a book on the bus or train or in bed, but aside from that, are the online docs just as good? Bill, I hope this isn't off topic. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- nate@netimages.com Nate Campi nate@campin.net Tel: 408.919.1300 Net Images, Inc. Fax: 408.919.1307 www.netimages.com Unix System Administration www.campin.net/~nate ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Jax.PM Moderator's Note: This message was posted to the Jacksonville Perl Monger's Group listserv. The group manager can be reached at -- owner-jacksonville-pm-list@pm.org to whom send all praises, complaints, or comments...