[pm-h] New Domain Not Running

Fraser Baker FLbaker at sbcglobal.net
Tue May 24 19:23:27 PDT 2016


Hi Andrea:

I reviewed the DNS entries for saloonsandbands.com (99.65.251.60) and 
localmusic.live (99.65.251.58) and as far as I can tell, they are 
identical, except for the IP addresses and paths.

Calling either localmusic.live or 99.65.251.58 on the server 
successfully displays the page with appropriate entries being made in 
the localmusic_access_log i.e.

99.65.251.58 - - [24/May/2016:20:25:52 -0500] "GET / HTTP/1.1" 304 - "-" 
"Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) 
Chrome/49.0.2623.112 Safari/537.36"

I view this as the apache configuration has been made correctly.

Calling either localmusic.live or 99.65.251.58 from my laptop, or any 
other device I have tried doesn't work. The following entry is made in 
the access log:

50.175.253.35 - - [24/May/2016:20:38:14 -0500] "-" 408 - "-" "-"

Tracert localmusic.live ends up at 99.65.251.58, which tells me that the 
DNS is OK.

I have carefully reviewed everything I can think of without any clue 
surfacing.

Fraser


On 5/24/2016 7:12 PM, Andrea Nall via Houston wrote:
> Those domain names point to two completely different IP addresses. Is 
> there anything special about .58 that isn't present on .60?
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 7:03 PM, Fraser Baker via Houston 
> <houston at pm.org <mailto:houston at pm.org>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Andrea:
>
>     www.SaloonsAndBands.com <http://www.SaloonsAndBands.com> works,
>     which is running from the same machine. As far as I can tell, the
>     Apache  config files are identical, except where they need to be
>     different.
>
>     And yes, its a bit weird, but I have been hosting my own websites
>     from my own machines for some 25 years ... probably haven't kept
>     up with the times. My project is gaining traction, and I intend to
>     move it to HostGator soon.
>
>     Fraser
>
>
>
>     On 5/24/2016 4:30 PM, Andrea Nall via Houston wrote:
>>     You are running this from your home connection, yes? Is the
>>     server behind NAT? Is your laptop behind NAT? The same NAT?
>>
>>     Can you please provide an example of a domain that is working
>>     from your laptop? 480 is a really weird status code for HTTP ( I
>>     believe that is a SIP status code )
>>
>>     On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Fraser Baker via Houston
>>     <houston at pm.org <mailto:houston at pm.org>> wrote:
>>
>>         Yes, My home was flooded and the sheet rock is being
>>         replaced. I was there mid-morning and noticed that the
>>         computer was not running. A worker must have turned the power
>>         off.
>>
>>         Fraser
>>
>>
>>
>>         On 5/24/2016 7:26 AM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston wrote:
>>
>>             As of early this morning, the server does not seem to be
>>             responding at
>>             all.
>>
>>             On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:28:36 -0500
>>             Fraser Baker via Houston <houston at pm.org
>>             <mailto:houston at pm.org>> wrote:
>>
>>                 Thank you Keelan:
>>
>>                 Thank you for your attention. If this perplexes you,
>>                 it totally
>>                 mystifies me.
>>
>>                 Would this issue have anything to do with the new
>>                 extension .live?
>>
>>                 Fraser
>>
>>                 On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, houstonperl--- via Houston wrote:
>>
>>                     Hello,
>>
>>                     So I can connect just fine with curl:
>>                     $ curl -vv localmusic.live
>>                     * Rebuilt URL to: localmusic.live/
>>                     *   Trying 99.65.251.58...
>>                     * Connected to localmusic.live (99.65.251.58)
>>                     port 80 (#0)
>>
>>                         GET / HTTP/1.1
>>                         Host: localmusic.live
>>                         User-Agent: curl/7.47.0
>>                         Accept: */*
>>
>>                     < HTTP/1.1 200 OK
>>                     < Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 16:46:16 GMT
>>                     < Server: Apache/2.2.22 (Win32) mod_ssl/2.2.22
>>                     OpenSSL/0.9.8t
>>                     mod_perl/2.0.8 Perl/v5.16.2 < Last-Modified: Sat,
>>                     21 May 2016
>>                     21:27:58 GMT < ETag:
>>                     "5000000004e69-187-53360e19d02d6"
>>                     < Accept-Ranges: bytes
>>                     < Content-Length: 391
>>                     < Content-Type: text/html
>>                     <
>>                     <html>
>>                     <!-- Created on: 5/21/2016 -->
>>                     <head>
>>                         <meta http-equiv="Content-Type"
>>                     content="text/html;
>>                     charset=windows-1252"> <title></title>
>>                         <meta name="description" content="">
>>                         <meta name="keywords" content="">
>>                         <meta name="author" content="Unregistered User">
>>                         <meta name="generator" content="AceHTML
>>                     Freeware">
>>                     </head>
>>                     <body>
>>                     HELLO FROM LOCALMUSIC.LIVE
>>                     </body>
>>                     </html>
>>                     * Connection #0 to host localmusic.live left intact
>>
>>                     Strangly firefox times out as does the w3
>>                     validation service:
>>                     https://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.localmusic.live%2F
>>
>>                     I can't seem to figure out why, from a tcpdump it
>>                     just never gets a
>>                     connection:
>>
>>                     12:08:33.834029 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 43340,
>>                     offset 0, flags [DF],
>>                     proto TCP (6), length 60) 172.21.0.191.32826 >
>>                     99.65.251.58.80:
>>                     Flags [S], cksum 0x0b7f (incorrect -> 0x51df),
>>                     seq 577836552, win
>>                     29200, options [mss 1460,sackOK,TS val 7913284
>>                     ecr 0,nop,wscale 7],
>>                     length 0 12:08:33.874406 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 117, id
>>                     46678, offset 0,
>>                     flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 64)
>>                     99.65.251.58.80 >
>>                     172.21.0.191.32826: Flags [S.], cksum 0x7c0c
>>                     (correct), seq
>>                     3607043838 <tel:3607043838>, ack 577836553, win
>>                     65535, options [mss 1350,nop,wscale
>>                     0,nop,nop,TS val 0 ecr 0,nop,nop,sackOK], length
>>                     0 12:08:33.874439
>>                     IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 43341, offset 0, flags
>>                     [DF], proto TCP (6),
>>                     length 52) 172.21.0.191.32826 > 99.65.251.58.80:
>>                     Flags [.], cksum
>>                     0x0b77 (incorrect -> 0xfbbd), seq 1, ack 1, win
>>                     229, options
>>                     [nop,nop,TS val 7913294 ecr 0], length 0
>>                     12:08:33.874524 IP (tos
>>                     0x0, ttl 64, id 43342, offset 0, flags [DF],
>>                     proto TCP (6), length
>>                     341) 172.21.0.191.32826 > 99.65.251.58.80: Flags
>>                     [P.], cksum 0x0c98
>>                     (incorrect -> 0x1d61), seq 1:290, ack 1, win 229,
>>                     options
>>                     [nop,nop,TS val 7913294 ecr 0], length 289: HTTP,
>>                     length: 289 GET /
>>                     HTTP/1.1 Host: www.localmusic.live
>>                     <http://www.localmusic.live> User-Agent:
>>                     Mozilla/5.0 (X11;
>>                     Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
>>                     Firefox/45.0 Accept:
>>                     text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
>>                     Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding:
>>                     gzip, deflate
>>                     Connection: keep-alive
>>
>>                     12:08:34.111172 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 43343,
>>                     offset 0, flags [DF],
>>                     proto TCP (6), length 341) 172.21.0.191.32826 >
>>                     99.65.251.58.80:
>>                     Flags [P.], cksum 0x0c98 (incorrect -> 0x1d25),
>>                     seq 1:290, ack 1,
>>                     win 229, options [nop,nop,TS val 7913354 ecr 0],
>>                     length 289: HTTP,
>>                     length: 289 GET / HTTP/1.1 Host:
>>                     www.localmusic.live <http://www.localmusic.live>
>>                     User-Agent:
>>                     Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0)
>>                     Gecko/20100101
>>                     Firefox/45.0 Accept:
>>                     text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
>>                     Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding:
>>                     gzip, deflate
>>                     Connection: keep-alive
>>
>>                     12:08:34.351172 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 43344,
>>                     offset 0, flags [DF],
>>                     proto TCP (6), length 341) 172.21.0.191.32826 >
>>                     99.65.251.58.80:
>>                     Flags [P.], cksum 0x0c98 (incorrect -> 0x1ce9),
>>                     seq 1:290, ack 1,
>>                     win 229, options [nop,nop,TS val 7913414 ecr 0],
>>                     length 289: HTTP,
>>                     length: 289 GET / HTTP/1.1 Host:
>>                     www.localmusic.live <http://www.localmusic.live>
>>                     User-Agent:
>>                     Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0)
>>                     Gecko/20100101
>>                     Firefox/45.0 Accept:
>>                     text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
>>                     Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding:
>>                     gzip, deflate
>>                     Connection: keep-alive
>>
>>                     12:08:34.831184 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 43345,
>>                     offset 0, flags [DF],
>>                     proto TCP (6), length 341) 172.21.0.191.32826 >
>>                     99.65.251.58.80:
>>                     Flags [P.], cksum 0x0c98 (incorrect -> 0x1c71),
>>                     seq 1:290, ack 1,
>>                     win 229, options [nop,nop,TS val 7913534 ecr 0],
>>                     length 289: HTTP,
>>                     length: 289 GET / HTTP/1.1 Host:
>>                     www.localmusic.live <http://www.localmusic.live>
>>                     User-Agent:
>>                     Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0)
>>                     Gecko/20100101
>>                     Firefox/45.0 Accept:
>>                     text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
>>                     Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding:
>>                     gzip, deflate
>>                     Connection: keep-alive
>>
>>                     12:08:35.791169 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 43346,
>>                     offset 0, flags [DF],
>>                     proto TCP (6), length 341) 172.21.0.191.32826 >
>>                     99.65.251.58.80:
>>                     Flags [P.], cksum 0x0c98 (incorrect -> 0x1b81),
>>                     seq 1:290, ack 1,
>>                     win 229, options [nop,nop,TS val 7913774 ecr 0],
>>                     length 289: HTTP,
>>                     length: 289 GET / HTTP/1.1 Host:
>>                     www.localmusic.live <http://www.localmusic.live>
>>                     User-Agent:
>>                     Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0)
>>                     Gecko/20100101
>>                     Firefox/45.0 Accept:
>>                     text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
>>                     Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding:
>>                     gzip, deflate
>>                     Connection: keep-alive
>>
>>                     12:08:37.715176 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 43347,
>>                     offset 0, flags [DF],
>>                     proto TCP (6), length 341) 172.21.0.191.32826 >
>>                     99.65.251.58.80:
>>                     Flags [P.], cksum 0x0c98 (incorrect -> 0x19a0),
>>                     seq 1:290, ack 1,
>>                     win 229, options [nop,nop,TS val 7914255 ecr 0],
>>                     length 289: HTTP,
>>                     length: 289 GET / HTTP/1.1 Host:
>>                     www.localmusic.live <http://www.localmusic.live>
>>                     User-Agent:
>>                     Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0)
>>                     Gecko/20100101
>>                     Firefox/45.0 Accept:
>>                     text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
>>                     Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding:
>>                     gzip, deflate
>>                     Connection: keep-alive
>>
>>                     12:08:41.559183 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 43348,
>>                     offset 0, flags [DF],
>>                     proto TCP (6), length 341) 172.21.0.191.32826 >
>>                     99.65.251.58.80:
>>                     Flags [P.], cksum 0x0c98 (incorrect -> 0x15df),
>>                     seq 1:290, ack 1,
>>                     win 229, options [nop,nop,TS val 7915216 ecr 0],
>>                     length 289: HTTP,
>>                     length: 289 GET / HTTP/1.1 Host:
>>                     www.localmusic.live <http://www.localmusic.live>
>>                     User-Agent:
>>                     Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0)
>>                     Gecko/20100101
>>                     Firefox/45.0 Accept:
>>                     text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
>>                     Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding:
>>                     gzip, deflate
>>                     Connection: keep-alive
>>
>>                     12:08:49.255195 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 43349,
>>                     offset 0, flags [DF],
>>                     proto TCP (6), length 341) 172.21.0.191.32826 >
>>                     99.65.251.58.80:
>>                     Flags [P.], cksum 0x0c98 (incorrect -> 0x0e5b),
>>                     seq 1:290, ack 1,
>>                     win 229, options [nop,nop,TS val 7917140 ecr 0],
>>                     length 289: HTTP,
>>                     length: 289 GET / HTTP/1.1 Host:
>>                     www.localmusic.live <http://www.localmusic.live>
>>                     User-Agent:
>>                     Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0)
>>                     Gecko/20100101
>>                     Firefox/45.0 Accept:
>>                     text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
>>                     Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding:
>>                     gzip, deflate
>>                     Connection: keep-alive
>>
>>
>>                     Vs a curl which is happy as can be:
>>                     2:10:03.826323 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 54517,
>>                     offset 0, flags [DF],
>>                     proto TCP (6), length 60) 172.21.0.191.32926 >
>>                     99.65.251.58.80:
>>                     Flags [S], cksum 0x0b7f (incorrect -> 0x5190),
>>                     seq 481215443, win
>>                     29200, options [mss 1460,sackOK,TS val 7935782
>>                     ecr 0,nop,wscale 7],
>>                     length 0 12:10:03.866734 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 117, id
>>                     46707, offset 0,
>>                     flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 64)
>>                     99.65.251.58.80 >
>>                     172.21.0.191.32926: Flags [S.], cksum 0x1c7b
>>                     (correct), seq
>>                     1017671802, ack 481215444, win 65535, options
>>                     [mss 1350,nop,wscale
>>                     0,nop,nop,TS val 0 ecr 0,nop,nop,sackOK], length
>>                     0 12:10:03.866768
>>                     IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 54518, offset 0, flags
>>                     [DF], proto TCP (6),
>>                     length 52) 172.21.0.191.32926 > 99.65.251.58.80:
>>                     Flags [.], cksum
>>                     0x0b77 (incorrect -> 0x444a), seq 1, ack 1, win
>>                     229, options
>>                     [nop,nop,TS val 7935792 ecr 0], length 0
>>                     12:10:03.866823 IP (tos
>>                     0x0, ttl 64, id 54519, offset 0, flags [DF],
>>                     proto TCP (6), length
>>                     135) 172.21.0.191.32926 > 99.65.251.58.80: Flags
>>                     [P.], cksum 0x0bca
>>                     (incorrect -> 0x0a66), seq 1:84, ack 1, win 229,
>>                     options
>>                     [nop,nop,TS val 7935792 ecr 0], length 83: HTTP,
>>                     length: 83 GET /
>>                     HTTP/1.1 Host: www.localmusic.live
>>                     <http://www.localmusic.live> User-Agent:
>>                     curl/7.47.0 Accept:
>>                     */*
>>
>>                     12:10:03.906977 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 117, id 46708,
>>                     offset 0, flags
>>                     [DF], proto TCP (6), length 352) 99.65.251.58.80 >
>>                     172.21.0.191.32926: Flags [P.], cksum 0xc36f
>>                     (correct), seq 1:301,
>>                     ack 84, win 65452, options [nop,nop,TS val
>>                     1544840 ecr 7935792],
>>                     length 300: HTTP, length: 300 HTTP/1.1 200 OK
>>                     Date: Mon, 23 May
>>                     2016 17:09:36 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.22 (Win32)
>>                     mod_ssl/2.2.22
>>                     OpenSSL/0.9.8t mod_perl/2.0.8 Perl/v5.16.2
>>                     Last-Modified: Sat, 21
>>                     May 2016 21:27:58 GMT ETag:
>>                     "5000000004e69-187-53360e19d02d6"
>>                     Accept-Ranges: bytes Content-Length: 391
>>                               Content-Type: text/html
>>
>>                     12:10:03.907005 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 54520,
>>                     offset 0, flags [DF],
>>                     proto TCP (6), length 52) 172.21.0.191.32926 >
>>                     99.65.251.58.80:
>>                     Flags [.], cksum 0x0b77 (incorrect -> 0xb019),
>>                     seq 84, ack 301, win
>>                     237, options [nop,nop,TS val 7935802 ecr
>>                     1544840], length 0
>>                     12:10:03.907994 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 117, id 46709,
>>                     offset 0, flags
>>                     [DF], proto TCP (6), length 443) 99.65.251.58.80 >
>>                     172.21.0.191.32926: Flags [P.], cksum 0x28da
>>                     (correct), seq
>>                     301:692, ack 84, win 65452, options [nop,nop,TS
>>                     val 1544840 ecr
>>                     7935792], length 391: HTTP 12:10:03.908003 IP
>>                     (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id
>>                     54521, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6),
>>                     length 52)
>>                     172.21.0.191.32926 > 99.65.251.58.80: Flags [.],
>>                     cksum 0x0b77
>>                     (incorrect -> 0xae89), seq 84, ack 692, win 245,
>>                     options
>>                     [nop,nop,TS val 7935803 ecr 1544840], length 0
>>                     12:10:03.908092 IP
>>                     (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 54522, offset 0, flags [DF],
>>                     proto TCP (6),
>>                     length 52) 172.21.0.191.32926 > 99.65.251.58.80:
>>                     Flags [F.], cksum
>>                     0x0b77 (incorrect -> 0xae88), seq 84, ack 692,
>>                     win 245, options
>>                     [nop,nop,TS val 7935803 ecr 1544840], length 0
>>                     12:10:03.946842 IP
>>                     (tos 0x0, ttl 117, id 46710, offset 0, flags
>>                     [DF], proto TCP (6),
>>                     length 52) 99.65.251.58.80 > 172.21.0.191.32926:
>>                     Flags [.], cksum
>>                     0xafd0 (correct), seq 692, ack 85, win 65452,
>>                     options [nop,nop,TS
>>                     val 1544840 ecr 7935803], length 0
>>                     12:10:03.947531 IP (tos 0x0, ttl
>>                     117, id 46712, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP
>>                     (6), length 52)
>>                     99.65.251.58.80 > 172.21.0.191.32926: Flags [F.],
>>                     cksum 0xafcf
>>                     (correct), seq 692, ack 85, win 65452, options
>>                     [nop,nop,TS val
>>                     1544840 ecr 7935803], length 0 12:10:03.947551 IP
>>                     (tos 0x0, ttl 64,
>>                     id 18470, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6),
>>                     length 52)
>>                     172.21.0.191.32926 > 99.65.251.58.80: Flags [.],
>>                     cksum 0xae7d
>>                     (correct), seq 85, ack 693, win 245, options
>>                     [nop,nop,TS val
>>                     7935813 ecr 1544840], length 0 12:10:03.947554 IP
>>                     (tos 0x0, ttl
>>                     117, id 46711, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP
>>                     (6), length 52)
>>                     99.65.251.58.80 > 172.21.0.191.32926: Flags [.],
>>                     cksum 0xafd0
>>                     (correct), seq 692, ack 85, win 65452, options
>>                     [nop,nop,TS val
>>                     1544840 ecr 7935803], length 0 12:10:03.947557 IP
>>                     (tos 0x0, ttl 64,
>>                     id 18471, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6),
>>                     length 52)
>>                     172.21.0.191.32926 > 99.65.251.58.80: Flags [.],
>>                     cksum 0xae7d
>>                     (correct), seq 85, ack 693, win 245, options
>>                     [nop,nop,TS val
>>                     7935813 ecr 1544840], length 0
>>
>>
>>                     Keelan
>>
>>
>>                     On Mon, 23 May 2016 11:29:08 -0500
>>                     Fraser Baker via Houston <houston at pm.org
>>                     <mailto:houston at pm.org>> wrote:
>>
>>                         Hi Uri:
>>
>>                         I turned the firewall off on my laptop, and
>>                         this made no
>>                         difference.
>>
>>                         Other sites from that server indeed display
>>                         as expected. And as far
>>                         as I can tell, the configurations for the new
>>                         domain are identical
>>                         to others, except for paths. As said, the
>>                         www.localmusic.live <http://www.localmusic.live>
>>                         plays if called from the server.
>>
>>                         Running telnet o www.localmusic.live
>>                         <http://www.localmusic.live>[80] could not open
>>                         connection ...
>>
>>                         Thanks for your comments.
>>
>>                         Fraser
>>
>>
>>                         On 5/23/2016 11:00 AM, Uri Guttman via
>>                         Houston wrote:
>>
>>                             On 05/23/2016 11:53 AM, Fraser Baker via
>>                             Houston wrote:
>>
>>                                 Hi:
>>
>>                                 I know that this is not a Perl issue,
>>                                 but I have been trying to
>>                                 resolve this issue for several days
>>                                 and I know that several of
>>                                 you are very aware of server issues.
>>
>>                                 I bought the domain
>>                                 www.localmusic.live
>>                                 <http://www.localmusic.live> a week
>>                                 ago, set the name
>>                                 servers,  configured my apache 2.4
>>                                 server to play it and
>>                                 configured my DNS server accordingly,
>>                                 I believe. I have done this
>>                                 numerous times before successfully.
>>
>>                                 When run from the server,
>>                                 www.localmusic.live
>>                                 <http://www.localmusic.live> plays,
>>                                 which tells
>>                                 me that the server is correctly
>>                                 configured.
>>
>>                                 When run from my laptop, a 480 error
>>                                 results and the site is not
>>                                 displayed.
>>
>>                                 Tracert from the laptop gets to the
>>                                 right IP.
>>
>>                                 Does anyone have a thought?
>>
>>                             a quick guess is some firewall rule is
>>                             blocking the service. can
>>                             you telnet to that service from outside?
>>                             or other services exposed
>>                             from that server?
>>
>>                             uri
>>
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