[pm-h] New Domain Not Running
Fraser Baker
FLbaker at sbcglobal.net
Tue May 24 16:51:56 PDT 2016
Thank you Julian and y'all for the attention paid to my issue. But it is
not yet resolved. This is a tracert I just did:
Tracing route to localmusic.live [99.65.251.58]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 4 ms 1 ms 2 ms 192.168.1.1
2 15 ms 23 ms * 96.120.16.221
3 15 ms 15 ms 12 ms
xe-3-2-0-sur02.royalton.tx.houston.comcast.net [68.85.248.193]
4 22 ms 12 ms 13 ms
ae-0-sur03.royalton.tx.houston.comcast.net [68.85.87.121]
5 32 ms 23 ms 18 ms
ae-29-ar01.bearcreek.tx.houston.comcast.net [68.85.245.85]
6 20 ms 19 ms 19 ms
be-33662-cr02.dallas.tx.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.92.61]
7 35 ms 31 ms 29 ms
be-11-pe02.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net [68.86.82.134]
8 29 ms 27 ms 26 ms
as7018-pe01.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net [75.149.230.162]
9 50 ms 38 ms 27 ms cr2.dlstx.ip.att.net [12.123.16.110]
10 30 ms 53 ms 28 ms 12.122.2.122
11 26 ms 27 ms 27 ms 12.122.103.61
12 * * * Request timed out.
13 27 ms 25 ms 28 ms 71.144.129.70
14 26 ms 25 ms 34 ms 71.144.128.135
15 47 ms 51 ms 46 ms
99-65-232-201.lightspeed.hstntx.sbcglobal.net [99.65.232.201]
16 52 ms 49 ms 52 ms mywellnesschart.com [99.65.251.58]
Trace complete.
Don't know how the MyWellnessChart.com gets connected to the IP address.
This was a Domain I used prior to changing the DNS to respond to
localmusic.live. Other sites that work from my server also show legacy
domain names, so I don't think that this is an issue.
telnet www.localmusic.live returned:
<h1>Method Not Implemented</h1>
<p>q to /index.html not supported.<br /></p>
Seems to me to be a server configuration issue ... what does "q to ..."
mean. I googled this, but need to study the response more. If anyone
knows anything about this, please give me a shout.
Still needing help.
Fraser
On 5/24/2016 8:46 AM, Julian Brown via Houston wrote:
> Julians-Macbook-Pro:~ julianbrown$ traceroute localmusic.live
> traceroute to localmusic.live (99.65.251.58), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
> 1 10.7.4.1 (10.7.4.1) 2.405 ms 2.019 ms 1.382 ms
> 2 10.7.1.1 (10.7.1.1) 2.254 ms 2.190 ms 2.095 ms
> 3 10.7.3.2 (10.7.3.2) 3.526 ms 3.229 ms 3.349 ms
> 4 vl118.ss-core.hou.cpanel.net <http://vl118.ss-core.hou.cpanel.net>
> (208.74.121.97) 2.901 ms 2.343 ms 2.466 ms
> 5 cr1.hou.cpanel.net <http://cr1.hou.cpanel.net> (208.74.121.242)
> 3.674 ms 3.633 ms 3.357 ms
> 6 xe-2-1-0-3845-sur02.royalton.tx.houston.comcast.net
> <http://xe-2-1-0-3845-sur02.royalton.tx.houston.comcast.net>
> (50.207.148.125) 3.520 ms 4.109 ms 4.346 ms
> 7 ae-0-sur03.royalton.tx.houston.comcast.net
> <http://ae-0-sur03.royalton.tx.houston.comcast.net> (68.85.87.121)
> 4.121 ms 4.148 ms 3.575 ms
> 8 ae-29-ar01.bearcreek.tx.houston.comcast.net
> <http://ae-29-ar01.bearcreek.tx.houston.comcast.net> (68.85.245.85)
> 4.531 ms 18.787 ms 5.135 ms
> 9 be-33662-cr02.dallas.tx.ibone.comcast.net
> <http://be-33662-cr02.dallas.tx.ibone.comcast.net> (68.86.92.61)
> 12.397 ms 11.429 ms 10.824 ms
> 10 be-16-pe02.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net
> <http://be-16-pe02.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net> (68.86.83.118)
> 10.694 ms 11.185 ms 10.515 ms
> 11 as7018-pe01.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net
> <http://as7018-pe01.1950stemmons.tx.ibone.comcast.net>
> (75.149.230.162) 11.510 ms 13.711 ms 12.675 ms
> 12 cr1.dlstx.ip.att.net <http://cr1.dlstx.ip.att.net> (12.123.16.86)
> 19.267 ms 16.240 ms 16.609 ms
> 13 12.122.2.198 (12.122.2.198) 16.661 ms 16.278 ms 19.744 ms
> 14 12.122.103.113 (12.122.103.113) 18.932 ms 19.592 ms 19.822 ms
> 15 * * *
> 16 71.144.129.72 (71.144.129.72) 17.766 ms 16.389 ms 16.941 ms
> 17 71.144.128.137 (71.144.128.137) 24.331 ms 20.491 ms *
> 18 * * *
> 19 * * *
>
> not looking like it can find it
>
> telnet localmusic.live 80 does not connect
>
>
> On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 7:26 AM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston
> <houston at pm.org <mailto:houston at pm.org>> wrote:
>
> As of early this morning, the server does not seem to be responding at
> all.
>
> On Mon, 23 May 2016 12:28:36 -0500
> Fraser Baker via Houston <houston at pm.org <mailto:houston at pm.org>>
> wrote:
>
> > Thank you Keelan:
> >
> > Thank you for your attention. If this perplexes you, it totally
> > mystifies me.
> >
> > Would this issue have anything to do with the new extension .live?
> >
> > Fraser
> >
> > On 5/23/2016 12:10 PM, houstonperl--- via Houston wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > So I can connect just fine with curl:
> > > $ curl -vv localmusic.live
> > > * Rebuilt URL to: localmusic.live/
> > > * Trying 99.65.251.58...
> > > * Connected to localmusic.live (99.65.251.58) port 80 (#0)
> > >> GET / HTTP/1.1
> > >> Host: localmusic.live
> > >> User-Agent: curl/7.47.0
> > >> Accept: */*
> > >>
> > > < HTTP/1.1 200 OK
> > > < Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 16:46:16 GMT
> > > < Server: Apache/2.2.22 (Win32) mod_ssl/2.2.22 OpenSSL/0.9.8t
> > > mod_perl/2.0.8 Perl/v5.16.2 < Last-Modified: Sat, 21 May 2016
> > > 21:27:58 GMT < ETag: "5000000004e69-187-53360e19d02d6"
> > > < Accept-Ranges: bytes
> > > < Content-Length: 391
> > > < Content-Type: text/html
> > > <
> > > <html>
> > > <!-- Created on: 5/21/2016 -->
> > > <head>
> > > <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
> > > charset=windows-1252"> <title></title>
> > > <meta name="description" content="">
> > > <meta name="keywords" content="">
> > > <meta name="author" content="Unregistered User">
> > > <meta name="generator" content="AceHTML Freeware">
> > > </head>
> > > <body>
> > > HELLO FROM LOCALMUSIC.LIVE
> > > </body>
> > > </html>
> > > * Connection #0 to host localmusic.live left intact
> > >
> > > Strangly firefox times out as does the w3 validation service:
> > >
> https://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.localmusic.live%2F
> > >
> > > I can't seem to figure out why, from a tcpdump it just never
> gets a
> > > connection:
> > >
> > > 12:08:33.834029 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 43340, offset 0, flags
> [DF],
> > > proto TCP (6), length 60) 172.21.0.191.32826 > 99.65.251.58.80:
> > > Flags [S], cksum 0x0b7f (incorrect -> 0x51df), seq 577836552, win
> > > 29200, options [mss 1460,sackOK,TS val 7913284 ecr
> 0,nop,wscale 7],
> > > length 0 12:08:33.874406 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 117, id 46678, offset 0,
> > > flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 64) 99.65.251.58.80 >
> > > 172.21.0.191.32826: Flags [S.], cksum 0x7c0c (correct), seq
> > > 3607043838, ack 577836553, win 65535, options [mss 1350,nop,wscale
> > > 0,nop,nop,TS val 0 ecr 0,nop,nop,sackOK], length 0 12:08:33.874439
> > > IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 43341, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP
> (6),
> > > length 52) 172.21.0.191.32826 > 99.65.251.58.80: Flags [.], cksum
> > > 0x0b77 (incorrect -> 0xfbbd), seq 1, ack 1, win 229, options
> > > [nop,nop,TS val 7913294 ecr 0], length 0 12:08:33.874524 IP (tos
> > > 0x0, ttl 64, id 43342, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length
> > > 341) 172.21.0.191.32826 > 99.65.251.58.80: Flags [P.], cksum
> 0x0c98
> > > (incorrect -> 0x1d61), seq 1:290, ack 1, win 229, options
> > > [nop,nop,TS val 7913294 ecr 0], length 289: HTTP, length: 289
> GET /
> > > HTTP/1.1 Host: www.localmusic.live User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11;
> > > Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/45.0 Accept:
> > > text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
> > > Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
> > > Connection: keep-alive
> > >
> > > 12:08:34.111172 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 43343, offset 0, flags
> [DF],
> > > proto TCP (6), length 341) 172.21.0.191.32826 > 99.65.251.58.80:
> > > Flags [P.], cksum 0x0c98 (incorrect -> 0x1d25), seq 1:290, ack 1,
> > > win 229, options [nop,nop,TS val 7913354 ecr 0], length 289: HTTP,
> > > length: 289 GET / HTTP/1.1 Host: www.localmusic.live User-Agent:
> > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
> > > Firefox/45.0 Accept:
> > > text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
> > > Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
> > > Connection: keep-alive
> > >
> > > 12:08:34.351172 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 43344, offset 0, flags
> [DF],
> > > proto TCP (6), length 341) 172.21.0.191.32826 > 99.65.251.58.80:
> > > Flags [P.], cksum 0x0c98 (incorrect -> 0x1ce9), seq 1:290, ack 1,
> > > win 229, options [nop,nop,TS val 7913414 ecr 0], length 289: HTTP,
> > > length: 289 GET / HTTP/1.1 Host: www.localmusic.live User-Agent:
> > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
> > > Firefox/45.0 Accept:
> > > text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
> > > Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
> > > Connection: keep-alive
> > >
> > > 12:08:34.831184 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 43345, offset 0, flags
> [DF],
> > > proto TCP (6), length 341) 172.21.0.191.32826 > 99.65.251.58.80:
> > > Flags [P.], cksum 0x0c98 (incorrect -> 0x1c71), seq 1:290, ack 1,
> > > win 229, options [nop,nop,TS val 7913534 ecr 0], length 289: HTTP,
> > > length: 289 GET / HTTP/1.1 Host: www.localmusic.live User-Agent:
> > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
> > > Firefox/45.0 Accept:
> > > text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
> > > Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
> > > Connection: keep-alive
> > >
> > > 12:08:35.791169 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 43346, offset 0, flags
> [DF],
> > > proto TCP (6), length 341) 172.21.0.191.32826 > 99.65.251.58.80:
> > > Flags [P.], cksum 0x0c98 (incorrect -> 0x1b81), seq 1:290, ack 1,
> > > win 229, options [nop,nop,TS val 7913774 ecr 0], length 289: HTTP,
> > > length: 289 GET / HTTP/1.1 Host: www.localmusic.live User-Agent:
> > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
> > > Firefox/45.0 Accept:
> > > text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
> > > Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
> > > Connection: keep-alive
> > >
> > > 12:08:37.715176 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 43347, offset 0, flags
> [DF],
> > > proto TCP (6), length 341) 172.21.0.191.32826 > 99.65.251.58.80:
> > > Flags [P.], cksum 0x0c98 (incorrect -> 0x19a0), seq 1:290, ack 1,
> > > win 229, options [nop,nop,TS val 7914255 ecr 0], length 289: HTTP,
> > > length: 289 GET / HTTP/1.1 Host: www.localmusic.live User-Agent:
> > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
> > > Firefox/45.0 Accept:
> > > text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
> > > Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
> > > Connection: keep-alive
> > >
> > > 12:08:41.559183 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 43348, offset 0, flags
> [DF],
> > > proto TCP (6), length 341) 172.21.0.191.32826 > 99.65.251.58.80:
> > > Flags [P.], cksum 0x0c98 (incorrect -> 0x15df), seq 1:290, ack 1,
> > > win 229, options [nop,nop,TS val 7915216 ecr 0], length 289: HTTP,
> > > length: 289 GET / HTTP/1.1 Host: www.localmusic.live User-Agent:
> > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
> > > Firefox/45.0 Accept:
> > > text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
> > > Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
> > > Connection: keep-alive
> > >
> > > 12:08:49.255195 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 43349, offset 0, flags
> [DF],
> > > proto TCP (6), length 341) 172.21.0.191.32826 > 99.65.251.58.80:
> > > Flags [P.], cksum 0x0c98 (incorrect -> 0x0e5b), seq 1:290, ack 1,
> > > win 229, options [nop,nop,TS val 7917140 ecr 0], length 289: HTTP,
> > > length: 289 GET / HTTP/1.1 Host: www.localmusic.live User-Agent:
> > > Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101
> > > Firefox/45.0 Accept:
> > > text/html,application/xhtml+xml,application/xml;q=0.9,*/*;q=0.8
> > > Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5 Accept-Encoding: gzip, deflate
> > > Connection: keep-alive
> > >
> > >
> > > Vs a curl which is happy as can be:
> > > 2:10:03.826323 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 54517, offset 0, flags
> [DF],
> > > proto TCP (6), length 60) 172.21.0.191.32926 > 99.65.251.58.80:
> > > Flags [S], cksum 0x0b7f (incorrect -> 0x5190), seq 481215443, win
> > > 29200, options [mss 1460,sackOK,TS val 7935782 ecr
> 0,nop,wscale 7],
> > > length 0 12:10:03.866734 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 117, id 46707, offset 0,
> > > flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 64) 99.65.251.58.80 >
> > > 172.21.0.191.32926: Flags [S.], cksum 0x1c7b (correct), seq
> > > 1017671802, ack 481215444, win 65535, options [mss 1350,nop,wscale
> > > 0,nop,nop,TS val 0 ecr 0,nop,nop,sackOK], length 0 12:10:03.866768
> > > IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 54518, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP
> (6),
> > > length 52) 172.21.0.191.32926 > 99.65.251.58.80: Flags [.], cksum
> > > 0x0b77 (incorrect -> 0x444a), seq 1, ack 1, win 229, options
> > > [nop,nop,TS val 7935792 ecr 0], length 0 12:10:03.866823 IP (tos
> > > 0x0, ttl 64, id 54519, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length
> > > 135) 172.21.0.191.32926 > 99.65.251.58.80: Flags [P.], cksum
> 0x0bca
> > > (incorrect -> 0x0a66), seq 1:84, ack 1, win 229, options
> > > [nop,nop,TS val 7935792 ecr 0], length 83: HTTP, length: 83 GET /
> > > HTTP/1.1 Host: www.localmusic.live User-Agent: curl/7.47.0 Accept:
> > > */*
> > >
> > > 12:10:03.906977 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 117, id 46708, offset 0, flags
> > > [DF], proto TCP (6), length 352) 99.65.251.58.80 >
> > > 172.21.0.191.32926: Flags [P.], cksum 0xc36f (correct), seq 1:301,
> > > ack 84, win 65452, options [nop,nop,TS val 1544840 ecr 7935792],
> > > length 300: HTTP, length: 300 HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Mon, 23 May
> > > 2016 17:09:36 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.22 (Win32) mod_ssl/2.2.22
> > > OpenSSL/0.9.8t mod_perl/2.0.8 Perl/v5.16.2 Last-Modified: Sat, 21
> > > May 2016 21:27:58 GMT ETag: "5000000004e69-187-53360e19d02d6"
> > > Accept-Ranges: bytes Content-Length: 391
> > > Content-Type: text/html
> > >
> > > 12:10:03.907005 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 54520, offset 0, flags
> [DF],
> > > proto TCP (6), length 52) 172.21.0.191.32926 > 99.65.251.58.80:
> > > Flags [.], cksum 0x0b77 (incorrect -> 0xb019), seq 84, ack
> 301, win
> > > 237, options [nop,nop,TS val 7935802 ecr 1544840], length 0
> > > 12:10:03.907994 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 117, id 46709, offset 0, flags
> > > [DF], proto TCP (6), length 443) 99.65.251.58.80 >
> > > 172.21.0.191.32926: Flags [P.], cksum 0x28da (correct), seq
> > > 301:692, ack 84, win 65452, options [nop,nop,TS val 1544840 ecr
> > > 7935792], length 391: HTTP 12:10:03.908003 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id
> > > 54521, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 52)
> > > 172.21.0.191.32926 > 99.65.251.58.80: Flags [.], cksum 0x0b77
> > > (incorrect -> 0xae89), seq 84, ack 692, win 245, options
> > > [nop,nop,TS val 7935803 ecr 1544840], length 0 12:10:03.908092 IP
> > > (tos 0x0, ttl 64, id 54522, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6),
> > > length 52) 172.21.0.191.32926 > 99.65.251.58.80: Flags [F.], cksum
> > > 0x0b77 (incorrect -> 0xae88), seq 84, ack 692, win 245, options
> > > [nop,nop,TS val 7935803 ecr 1544840], length 0 12:10:03.946842 IP
> > > (tos 0x0, ttl 117, id 46710, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6),
> > > length 52) 99.65.251.58.80 > 172.21.0.191.32926: Flags [.], cksum
> > > 0xafd0 (correct), seq 692, ack 85, win 65452, options [nop,nop,TS
> > > val 1544840 ecr 7935803], length 0 12:10:03.947531 IP (tos
> 0x0, ttl
> > > 117, id 46712, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 52)
> > > 99.65.251.58.80 > 172.21.0.191.32926: Flags [F.], cksum 0xafcf
> > > (correct), seq 692, ack 85, win 65452, options [nop,nop,TS val
> > > 1544840 ecr 7935803], length 0 12:10:03.947551 IP (tos 0x0,
> ttl 64,
> > > id 18470, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 52)
> > > 172.21.0.191.32926 > 99.65.251.58.80: Flags [.], cksum 0xae7d
> > > (correct), seq 85, ack 693, win 245, options [nop,nop,TS val
> > > 7935813 ecr 1544840], length 0 12:10:03.947554 IP (tos 0x0, ttl
> > > 117, id 46711, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 52)
> > > 99.65.251.58.80 > 172.21.0.191.32926: Flags [.], cksum 0xafd0
> > > (correct), seq 692, ack 85, win 65452, options [nop,nop,TS val
> > > 1544840 ecr 7935803], length 0 12:10:03.947557 IP (tos 0x0,
> ttl 64,
> > > id 18471, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 52)
> > > 172.21.0.191.32926 > 99.65.251.58.80: Flags [.], cksum 0xae7d
> > > (correct), seq 85, ack 693, win 245, options [nop,nop,TS val
> > > 7935813 ecr 1544840], length 0
> > >
> > >
> > > Keelan
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 23 May 2016 11:29:08 -0500
> > > Fraser Baker via Houston <houston at pm.org
> <mailto:houston at pm.org>> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi Uri:
> > >>
> > >> I turned the firewall off on my laptop, and this made no
> > >> difference.
> > >>
> > >> Other sites from that server indeed display as expected. And
> as far
> > >> as I can tell, the configurations for the new domain are
> identical
> > >> to others, except for paths. As said, the www.localmusic.live
> > >> plays if called from the server.
> > >>
> > >> Running telnet o www.localmusic.live[80] could not open
> > >> connection ...
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for your comments.
> > >>
> > >> Fraser
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 5/23/2016 11:00 AM, Uri Guttman via Houston wrote:
> > >>> On 05/23/2016 11:53 AM, Fraser Baker via Houston wrote:
> > >>>> Hi:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I know that this is not a Perl issue, but I have been trying to
> > >>>> resolve this issue for several days and I know that several of
> > >>>> you are very aware of server issues.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I bought the domain www.localmusic.live a week ago, set the
> name
> > >>>> servers, configured my apache 2.4 server to play it and
> > >>>> configured my DNS server accordingly, I believe. I have
> done this
> > >>>> numerous times before successfully.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> When run from the server, www.localmusic.live plays, which
> tells
> > >>>> me that the server is correctly configured.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> When run from my laptop, a 480 error results and the site
> is not
> > >>>> displayed.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Tracert from the laptop gets to the right IP.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Does anyone have a thought?
> > >>>>
> > >>> a quick guess is some firewall rule is blocking the service. can
> > >>> you telnet to that service from outside? or other services
> exposed
> > >>> from that server?
> > >>>
> > >>> uri
> > >>>
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