From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Sep  1 10:52:44 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 12:52:44 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Perl-specific sites worth visiting
Message-ID: <20140901125244.774836ee@cygnus>

Gabor gives a list of sites that are worth a look in the Perl community
on his Perl Maven site. Some are standard resources (MetaCPAN), some
are community sites (Perl Monks), and some are for gamifying
development (CPANTS, Cpan.io).

http://perlmaven.com/perl-sites

Take a look at the list. I bet you'll learn a few things.

G. Wade
-- 
There are only two kinds of programming languages: those people always
bitch about and those nobody uses.             -- Bjarne Stroustrup

From mrdvt92 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  1 12:35:12 2014
From: mrdvt92 at yahoo.com (Michael R. Davis)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 15:35:12 -0400
Subject: [pm-h] Net-SFTP-Foreign-Tempdir-Extract
In-Reply-To: <20140901125244.774836ee@cygnus>
References: <20140901125244.774836ee@cygnus>
Message-ID: <3513D3A7-49DC-481E-81C8-33743BFBF1DB@yahoo.com>

Houston Folks,
I really like Path::Class and I have integrated a Secure FTP client with Path::Class::File as the return object.  If anyone is interested, please check it out on CPAN.  Net-SFTP-Foreign-Tempdir-Extract
Thanks,
Mike
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From perl at saltbreez.com  Mon Sep  1 13:38:17 2014
From: perl at saltbreez.com (Perl Developer)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 16:38:17 -0400
Subject: [pm-h] Net-SFTP-Foreign-Tempdir-Extract
In-Reply-To: <3513D3A7-49DC-481E-81C8-33743BFBF1DB@yahoo.com>
References: <20140901125244.774836ee@cygnus>
	<3513D3A7-49DC-481E-81C8-33743BFBF1DB@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAE9aZ0-r86gLgP+MkytmDBSHPyjhb+YZxsOva8Cc0+fXhp-+Rg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, laziness is a virtue, right?

"If this is still here it means the programmer was too lazy to create
the readme file."

Seriously though, it looks good Mike



On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Michael R. Davis via Houston
<houston at pm.org> wrote:
> Houston Folks,
> I really like Path::Class and I have integrated a Secure FTP client with
> Path::Class::File as the return object.  If anyone is interested, please
> check it out on CPAN.  Net-SFTP-Foreign-Tempdir-Extract
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/



-- 
Best Regards,
[Joseph] Christian Werner Sr
C 360.920.7183
H 757.304.0502

From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  1 13:54:25 2014
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 13:54:25 -0700
Subject: [pm-h] Net-SFTP-Foreign-Tempdir-Extract
In-Reply-To: <CAE9aZ0-r86gLgP+MkytmDBSHPyjhb+YZxsOva8Cc0+fXhp-+Rg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20140901125244.774836ee@cygnus>	<3513D3A7-49DC-481E-81C8-33743BFBF1DB@yahoo.com>
	<CAE9aZ0-r86gLgP+MkytmDBSHPyjhb+YZxsOva8Cc0+fXhp-+Rg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1409604865.87976.YahooMailNeo@web142402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Interesting module. Thanks! 

I am curious why you feel like "Moo" is drinking the kool-aid and rolled your own (Package::New)? What about Moo do you find technically deficient?

Mark


On Monday, September 1, 2014 3:38 PM, Perl Developer via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
 


Hey, laziness is a virtue, right?

"If this is still here it means the programmer was too lazy to create
the readme file."

Seriously though, it looks good Mike



On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Michael R. Davis via Houston
<houston at pm.org> wrote:
> Houston Folks,
> I really like Path::Class and I have integrated a Secure FTP client with
> Path::Class::File as the return object.  If anyone is interested, please
> check it out on CPAN.  Net-SFTP-Foreign-Tempdir-Extract
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/



-- 
Best Regards,
[Joseph] Christian Werner Sr
C 360.920.7183
H 757.304.0502

_______________________________________________
Houston mailing list
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http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
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From mrdvt92 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  1 15:44:37 2014
From: mrdvt92 at yahoo.com (Michael R. Davis)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 18:44:37 -0400
Subject: [pm-h] Net-SFTP-Foreign-Tempdir-Extract
In-Reply-To: <1409604865.87976.YahooMailNeo@web142402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <20140901125244.774836ee@cygnus>
	<3513D3A7-49DC-481E-81C8-33743BFBF1DB@yahoo.com>
	<CAE9aZ0-r86gLgP+MkytmDBSHPyjhb+YZxsOva8Cc0+fXhp-+Rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1409604865.87976.YahooMailNeo@web142402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <333D3B74-1E6B-495D-B07C-C3EE7960D5B7@yahoo.com>

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 1, 2014, at 16:54, Mark Allen  wrote:
> 
> I am curious why you feel like "Moo" is drinking the kool-aid and rolled your own (Package::New)?

Actually, I didn't roll it, it was the common part of module maker from at least 10 years ago.  It was in an internal package until 2011 which is when I spilt it off about the same time as Moose was getting popular.

> What about Moo do you find technically deficient?

I'm not sure I've ever found something Moose did for me.  If it had something that I needed I'd adopt it.  Since I POD all of my code the pod is always more typing than the code So I don't see how "has" is any shorter than "sub".
Thanks,
Mike


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From mrdvt92 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  1 20:57:36 2014
From: mrdvt92 at yahoo.com (Michael R. Davis)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 20:57:36 -0700
Subject: [pm-h] NeilB commentary on CPAN
In-Reply-To: <53E8D28A.3060207@stemsystems.com>
References: <20140810225305.06046485@cygnus>	<1407753953.26079.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<53E8D28A.3060207@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <1409630256.56767.YahooMailNeo@web121006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Perl Folks,
old thread just now getting around to...
 
> > I think if CPAN had a few features then it would be better.
> that does exist on metacpan. 
 
I went through metacpan.org and fav'ed all of the distributions (unfortunately not package based) that I could remember should be on my list.  I'll try to keep it up at https://metacpan.org/author/MRDVT.  The one trick is to ensure that you are logged into your Pause account to link your fav's to your author page.  
 
I've not used metacpan.org much but might start using it over search.cpan.org.  The only things I don't like is that script documentation appears above module documentation and the favorites are by distribution instead of package.
Thanks,
Mike
 
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From mrdvt92 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  1 20:57:36 2014
From: mrdvt92 at yahoo.com (Michael R. Davis)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 20:57:36 -0700
Subject: [pm-h] NeilB commentary on CPAN
In-Reply-To: <53E8D28A.3060207@stemsystems.com>
References: <20140810225305.06046485@cygnus>	<1407753953.26079.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<53E8D28A.3060207@stemsystems.com>
Message-ID: <1409630256.56767.YahooMailNeo@web121006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Perl Folks,
old thread just now getting around to...
 
> > I think if CPAN had a few features then it would be better.
> that does exist on metacpan. 
 
I went through metacpan.org and fav'ed all of the distributions (unfortunately not package based) that I could remember should be on my list.  I'll try to keep it up at https://metacpan.org/author/MRDVT.  The one trick is to ensure that you are logged into your Pause account to link your fav's to your author page.  
 
I've not used metacpan.org much but might start using it over search.cpan.org.  The only things I don't like is that script documentation appears above module documentation and the favorites are by distribution instead of package.
Thanks,
Mike
 
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Sep  2 05:15:34 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 07:15:34 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] NeilB commentary on CPAN
In-Reply-To: <1409630256.56767.YahooMailNeo@web121006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <20140810225305.06046485@cygnus>
	<1407753953.26079.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<53E8D28A.3060207@stemsystems.com>
	<1409630256.56767.YahooMailNeo@web121006.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20140902071534.5c043099@cygnus>

On Mon, 1 Sep 2014 20:57:36 -0700
"Michael R. Davis via Houston" <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> Perl Folks,
> old thread just now getting around to...
>  
> > > I think if CPAN had a few features then it would be better.
> > that does exist on metacpan. 
>  
> I went through metacpan.org and fav'ed all of the distributions
> (unfortunately not package based) that I could remember should be on
> my list.  I'll try to keep it up at
> https://metacpan.org/author/MRDVT.  The one trick is to ensure that
> you are logged into your Pause account to link your fav's to your
> author page. I've not used metacpan.org much but might start using it
> over search.cpan.org.  The only things I don't like is that script
> documentation appears above module documentation and the favorites
> are by distribution instead of package. Thanks, Mike mrdvt92

Unlike search.cpan.org, the source for metacpan is available on github.
You can submit issues (or pull requests) and possibly get things you
don't like changed.

G. Wade
-- 
Simplicity and elegance are unpopular because they require hard work and
discipline to achieve and education to be appreciated.
                                                  -- Edsger Dijkstra

From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Wed Sep  3 09:03:11 2014
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 09:03:11 -0700
Subject: [pm-h] Net-SFTP-Foreign-Tempdir-Extract
In-Reply-To: <333D3B74-1E6B-495D-B07C-C3EE7960D5B7@yahoo.com>
References: <20140901125244.774836ee@cygnus>
	<3513D3A7-49DC-481E-81C8-33743BFBF1DB@yahoo.com>
	<CAE9aZ0-r86gLgP+MkytmDBSHPyjhb+YZxsOva8Cc0+fXhp-+Rg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1409604865.87976.YahooMailNeo@web142402.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<333D3B74-1E6B-495D-B07C-C3EE7960D5B7@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1409760191.82194.YahooMailNeo@web142401.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Sorry for the delay in replying.

I find that Moo eliminates most of the boilerplate "smart" code initialization you talk about in Package::New documentation and it empowers me to use Roles as a means of separating concerns for reusable code in a library that doesn't rely on inheritance based dispatch. Roles are really powerful and unfortunately undervalued in programming, generally.

I really like doing something like

has [qw(foo bar baz)] => (
   is => "ro",
   default => 1,
   lazy => 1,
);

The one thing that bugs me a ton about Moo is strictures fatalizing warnings. As soon as that gets fixed upstream like mst promised at YAPC in June I will be a happy Moo camper. In the meantime, I use Moo::Lax.

Mark


On Monday, September 1, 2014 5:44 PM, Michael R. Davis <mrdvt92 at yahoo.com> wrote:
 


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 1, 2014, at 16:54, Mark Allen  wrote:


>
>I am curious why you feel like "Moo" is drinking the kool-aid and rolled your own (Package::New)?

Actually, I didn't roll it, it was the common part of module maker from at least 10 years ago.  It was in an internal package until 2011 which is when I spilt it off about the same time as Moose was getting popular.

What about Moo do you find technically deficient?

I'm not sure I've ever found something Moose did for me.  If it had something that I needed I'd adopt it.  Since I POD all of my code the pod is always more typing than the code So I don't see how "has" is any shorter than "sub".
Thanks,
Mike


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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Sep  4 09:40:22 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 11:40:22 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Meeting in a week, and still no topic
Message-ID: <20140904114022.109d9325@cygnus>

Does anyone have something to present?
Would we rather have a social meeting this month?

We're kind of running low on time.

G. Wade
-- 
There is no programming language?no matter how structured?that will
prevent programmers from making bad programs.            -- Larry Flon

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Sep  7 15:59:18 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 17:59:18 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] September meeting
Message-ID: <20140907175918.26f987c6@cygnus>

Well, since no one has agreed to present, I guess we can have a
social meeting this month.

Possible venues include:

* The Black Lab
  https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+Black+Labrador/@29.735913,-95.391608,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x8640bf7d1efe6e27:0xe62a016f52e26474
* Big Woodrow's
  https://www.google.com/maps/place/Big+Woodrow's+Bar+%26+Grill/@29.732839,-95.476126,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x8640c17d394f037d:0xc60c6588835c46c2
* Goode Company BBQ
  https://www.google.com/maps/place/Goode+Company+Barbeque/@29.727034,-95.418347,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0xc87eb4a2a53637ad
* Fuddrucker's (on 59)
  https://www.google.com/maps/place/Fuddruckers/@29.7275664,-95.443248,16z/data=!4m5!1m2!2m1!1sfuddruckers+near+Southwest+Houston,+Houston,+TX!3m1!1s0x0:0x169d90ebd457cdd1
* Stag's Head
  https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+Stag's+Head+Pub/@29.733598,-95.411632,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x936dbdab40b70a89
* Freebirds
  https://www.google.com/maps/place/Freebirds+World+Burrito/@29.732787,-95.412663,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x8640c08cfa7d9b33:0xd8d16e37bb30f43c

If someone would like to suggest another place, remember some things we
need to consider:

  * Reservation or area that seats 10-20 for our group
  * Parking for the group
  * Not too loud
  * Food of some kind
  * Not too expensive
  * Beer selection recommended, but not required

Any input will be welcomed until Tuesday, we'll need a choice by then.

Thanks,
G. Wade

PS. If you would like to present and can be ready by Thursday, let me
know.
-- 
If there's no solution, there's no problem.        -- Rick Hoselton

From mrdvt92 at yahoo.com  Mon Sep  8 08:59:44 2014
From: mrdvt92 at yahoo.com (Michael R. Davis)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:59:44 -0700
Subject: [pm-h] Power::Outlet
In-Reply-To: <20140907175918.26f987c6@cygnus>
References: <20140907175918.26f987c6@cygnus>
Message-ID: <1410191984.11219.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

G. Wade and Perl Folks,
I have a personal pet project called Power::Outlet where I'm trying to enable network attached power outlets devices under a single the umbrella.  It's a fairly open architecture and could support any on/off controller.  If anyone has network attached power outlets and would not mind being my tester please send me the specs and I'd like to add it to the Power::Outlet project.  
 
It currently supports Belkin WeMo, Dataprobe iBoot, and Dataprobe iBootBar.  I have specs for Aviosys IP POWER 9258 but I don't have any test hardware.
 
For example, this is all you need to add to cron to turn on and off a network attached lamp.
 
0 18 * * * power-outlet iBoot ON  host mylamp
0 22 * * * power-outlet iBoot OFF host mylamp
 
or something fancier if you have a daytime/nighttime script
 
0-59/10 * * * * is_nighttime && power-outlet iBoot ON  host mylamp
5-59/10 * * * * is_daytime   && power-outlet iBoot OFF  host mylamp
 
In Perl a one liner
 
 perl -MPower::Outlet -e 'print Power::Outlet->new(type=>"iBoot", host=>shift)->on, "\n"' mylamp
 
My goal is to get drivers together as network attached everything will be here shortly.  
 
Lesson learned: ensure the next stereo you buy saves it settings when you pull the plug.
Thanks,
Mike
 
mrdvt92
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Sep  8 09:22:21 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 11:22:21 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Power::Outlet
In-Reply-To: <1410191984.11219.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <20140907175918.26f987c6@cygnus>
	<1410191984.11219.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20140908112221.5d9eed87@cygnus>

On Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:59:44 -0700
"Michael R. Davis" <mrdvt92 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> G. Wade and Perl Folks,
> I have a personal pet project called Power::Outlet where I'm trying
> to enable network attached power outlets devices under a single the
> umbrella.  It's a fairly open architecture and could support any
> on/off controller.  If anyone has network attached power outlets and
> would not mind being my tester please send me the specs and I'd like
> to add it to the Power::Outlet project.

Sounds interesting. Interested in giving presentation about it at some
point. (I gotta try.)

> It currently supports Belkin WeMo, Dataprobe iBoot, and Dataprobe
> iBootBar.  I have specs for Aviosys IP POWER 9258 but I don't have
> any test hardware.
>
> For example, this is all you need to add to cron to turn on and off a
> network attached lamp.
>
> 0 18 * * * power-outlet iBoot ON  host mylamp
> 0 22 * * * power-outlet iBoot OFF host mylamp
>
> or something fancier if you have a daytime/nighttime script
>
> 0-59/10 * * * * is_nighttime && power-outlet iBoot ON  host mylamp
> 5-59/10 * * * * is_daytime   && power-outlet iBoot OFF  host mylamp 

That interface looks pretty nice.

> In Perl a one liner
>  
>  perl -MPower::Outlet -e 'print Power::Outlet->new(type=>"iBoot",
> host=>shift)->on, "\n"' mylamp 
>
> My goal is to get drivers together as network attached everything
> will be here shortly. 
>
> Lesson learned: ensure the next stereo you buy saves it settings when
> you pull the plug. Thanks,

<grin/>Definitely an important lesson.

> Mike
>  
> mrdvt92

G. Wade
-- 
The computer should be doing the hard work. That's what it's paid to do,
after all.                                            -- Larry Wall

From zaki.mughal at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 10:09:15 2014
From: zaki.mughal at gmail.com (Zakariyya Mughal)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 12:09:15 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Space City JS conference
Message-ID: <20140909170915.GB17698@simulo>

Hey everyone,

Has anyone heard of this conference: Space City JS
<http://spacecityjs.com/>?

It's primarily JS, but maybe we can sneak some Perl through the back
door? Any ideas?

Cheers,
- Zaki Mughal

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Sep  9 20:08:35 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 22:08:35 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] September Houston.pm Social meeting
Message-ID: <20140909220835.159790d6@cygnus>

Since no one has suggested an alternative venue, we'll have a social
meeting this Thursday (9/11) at The Black Labrador.
(https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+Black+Labrador/@29.735913,-95.391608,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x8640bf7d1efe6e27:0xe62a016f52e26474)

I'll make a reservation in my name, so that we can all sit together.
I'll be there sometime before 7pm. As usual, we will officially get
started at 7pm and run until we all get tired or 9pm, whichever comes
first.

Everyone is invited for food, drink, and conversation.

I look forward to seeing you all there.

G. Wade
-- 
Systems develop goals of their own the instant they come into being.
                                                        -- John Gall

From todd at rinaldo.us  Tue Sep  9 20:10:04 2014
From: todd at rinaldo.us (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 22:10:04 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] September Houston.pm Social meeting
In-Reply-To: <20140909220835.159790d6@cygnus>
References: <20140909220835.159790d6@cygnus>
Message-ID: <CAG8vyGEu4MNNMjnJZsUNPC_Le755u55Qj4k+avd89v=EjnSHsg@mail.gmail.com>

It's been a busy week for me but black lab sounds good looking forward to
it on Thursday!

On Tuesday, September 9, 2014, G. Wade Johnson via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

> Since no one has suggested an alternative venue, we'll have a social
> meeting this Thursday (9/11) at The Black Labrador.
> (
> https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+Black+Labrador/@29.735913,-95.391608,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x8640bf7d1efe6e27:0xe62a016f52e26474
> )
>
> I'll make a reservation in my name, so that we can all sit together.
> I'll be there sometime before 7pm. As usual, we will officially get
> started at 7pm and run until we all get tired or 9pm, whichever comes
> first.
>
> Everyone is invited for food, drink, and conversation.
>
> I look forward to seeing you all there.
>
> G. Wade
> --
> Systems develop goals of their own the instant they come into being.
>                                                         -- John Gall
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org <javascript:;>
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>


-- 
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sat Sep 13 19:39:28 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 21:39:28 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Thursday's Social Meeting
Message-ID: <20140913213928.6bfcbfd6@cygnus>

We had a light turnout at the Black Labrador on Thursday night, but the
company was good and the food/drink wasn't bad.

Sorry the rest of you missed it.

G. Wade
-- 
A development process that involves any amount of tedium will
eventually be done poorly or not at all.
                -- Matt Blodgett's First Law of Software Development

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Sep 14 17:17:46 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 19:17:46 -0500
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From mikeflan at att.net  Sun Sep 14 18:04:24 2014
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:04:24 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Python and Perl is Dead
In-Reply-To: <20140914191746.74eeac6c@cygnus>
References: <20140914191746.74eeac6c@cygnus>
Message-ID: <54163B18.2090108@att.net>


I talked to my nephew today.  He will graduate from
a tech school in Computer Science, or some similar
degree related to computer software.

I asked him what software languages he uses.  Java,
C Sharp, something else, and believe it or not
Cobol and AS400 (for govt work).  I said what about
Python.  Oh, that's pretty much dead he says.  I said
"and of course Perl is dead, right?"  Yeah, he says,
nobody uses Perl, except you.

Yeah, OK.  Sure.

I asked him what he would recommend for somebody if
they don't use Java.  He says "C Sharp, I guess".
I asked him about Go.  He had never heard of it!


Mike





From julian at jlbprof.com  Sun Sep 14 18:32:23 2014
From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:32:23 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Python and Perl is Dead
In-Reply-To: <54163B18.2090108@att.net>
References: <20140914191746.74eeac6c@cygnus>
	<54163B18.2090108@att.net>
Message-ID: <CAMzD1So=RHTrDHK=mxNRqzmVHMZpzH-nwitm=6xr7Zgq4bsdeg@mail.gmail.com>

Everyone says Perl is dead.  I have been working in Perl for 11 years, I
don't think it is dead.

Julian

On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Mike Flannigan via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

>
> I talked to my nephew today.  He will graduate from
> a tech school in Computer Science, or some similar
> degree related to computer software.
>
> I asked him what software languages he uses.  Java,
> C Sharp, something else, and believe it or not
> Cobol and AS400 (for govt work).  I said what about
> Python.  Oh, that's pretty much dead he says.  I said
> "and of course Perl is dead, right?"  Yeah, he says,
> nobody uses Perl, except you.
>
> Yeah, OK.  Sure.
>
> I asked him what he would recommend for somebody if
> they don't use Java.  He says "C Sharp, I guess".
> I asked him about Go.  He had never heard of it!
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
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From zaki.mughal at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 23:02:06 2014
From: zaki.mughal at gmail.com (Zakariyya Mughal)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 01:02:06 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Python and Perl is Dead
In-Reply-To: <54163B18.2090108@att.net>
References: <20140914191746.74eeac6c@cygnus>
 <54163B18.2090108@att.net>
Message-ID: <20140916060206.GC3659@quadra>

On 2014-09-14 at 20:04:24 -0500, Mike Flannigan via Houston wrote:
> 
> I talked to my nephew today.  He will graduate from
> a tech school in Computer Science, or some similar
> degree related to computer software.
> 
> I asked him what software languages he uses.  Java,
> C Sharp, something else, and believe it or not
> Cobol and AS400 (for govt work).  I said what about
> Python.  Oh, that's pretty much dead he says.  I said
> "and of course Perl is dead, right?"  Yeah, he says,
> nobody uses Perl, except you.
> 
> Yeah, OK.  Sure.
> 
> I asked him what he would recommend for somebody if
> they don't use Java.  He says "C Sharp, I guess".
> I asked him about Go.  He had never heard of it!

Heheh, I'm still in university and I'm showing people Perl tricks that
blow their minds. People these days just don't use dynamic languages to
their full capability. They just learn the basics and stop. :-P

I just went to Houston Techfest[*] this weekend (as I have for a number
of years now) and I'm mostly seeing C# and JavaScript. There used to be
a larger Java presence and even some Ruby, but that has seemed to waned.
I'm wondering, would anyone want to present some Perl there next year? I
think I may have got someone interested in looking at DBIx::Class.

Also, have any of you checked out PowerShell? It's got a very terse
syntax. I may have to steal some of it for Perl.

Cheers,
- Zaki Mughal

[*]: <http://houstontechfest-public.sharepoint.com/Documents/HTF2014%20Schedule.aspx>

> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
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From mikeflan at att.net  Tue Sep 16 17:58:39 2014
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 19:58:39 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Python and Perl is Dead
In-Reply-To: <20140916060206.GC3659@quadra>
References: <20140914191746.74eeac6c@cygnus> <54163B18.2090108@att.net>
	<20140916060206.GC3659@quadra>
Message-ID: <5418DCBF.9070106@att.net>


On 9/16/2014 1:02 AM, Zakariyya Mughal via Houston wrote:
>
> Heheh, I'm still in university and I'm showing people Perl tricks that
> blow their minds. People these days just don't use dynamic languages to
> their full capability. They just learn the basics and stop. :-P
>
> I just went to Houston Techfest[*] this weekend (as I have for a number
> of years now) and I'm mostly seeing C# and JavaScript. There used to be
> a larger Java presence and even some Ruby, but that has seemed to waned.
> I'm wondering, would anyone want to present some Perl there next year? I
> think I may have got someone interested in looking at DBIx::Class.
>
> Also, have any of you checked out PowerShell? It's got a very terse
> syntax. I may have to steal some of it for Perl.
>
> Cheers,
> - Zaki Mughal


I didn't know I had PowerShell on this Win7 machine
of mine.  I'm watching tutorial 1 of 5 right now.  This
guy sure gets excited about things that don't seem all
that cool to me, but it sure is cool to him.  He is easily
impressed.

I guess this PowerShell is a little bit better than the
command prompt I am using now, but not much better in
my opinion.  I really need to find a better one.


Mike






From julian at jlbprof.com  Tue Sep 16 18:53:21 2014
From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 20:53:21 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Python and Perl is Dead
In-Reply-To: <5418DCBF.9070106@att.net>
References: <20140914191746.74eeac6c@cygnus> <54163B18.2090108@att.net>
	<20140916060206.GC3659@quadra> <5418DCBF.9070106@att.net>
Message-ID: <CAMzD1So=Zo0by4xeoN0Mp+duYN2DFg2ohevN__nAY4U-ioLwzw@mail.gmail.com>

Powershell is something Microsoft came up with in the last 5-8 years.
Bash has been around for what 20?

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Mike Flannigan via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

>
> On 9/16/2014 1:02 AM, Zakariyya Mughal via Houston wrote:
>
>>
>> Heheh, I'm still in university and I'm showing people Perl tricks that
>> blow their minds. People these days just don't use dynamic languages to
>> their full capability. They just learn the basics and stop. :-P
>>
>> I just went to Houston Techfest[*] this weekend (as I have for a number
>> of years now) and I'm mostly seeing C# and JavaScript. There used to be
>> a larger Java presence and even some Ruby, but that has seemed to waned.
>> I'm wondering, would anyone want to present some Perl there next year? I
>> think I may have got someone interested in looking at DBIx::Class.
>>
>> Also, have any of you checked out PowerShell? It's got a very terse
>> syntax. I may have to steal some of it for Perl.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> - Zaki Mughal
>>
>
>
> I didn't know I had PowerShell on this Win7 machine
> of mine.  I'm watching tutorial 1 of 5 right now.  This
> guy sure gets excited about things that don't seem all
> that cool to me, but it sure is cool to him.  He is easily
> impressed.
>
> I guess this PowerShell is a little bit better than the
> command prompt I am using now, but not much better in
> my opinion.  I really need to find a better one.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Wed Sep 17 05:34:03 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 07:34:03 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Python and Perl is Dead
In-Reply-To: <5418DCBF.9070106@att.net>
References: <20140914191746.74eeac6c@cygnus> <54163B18.2090108@att.net>
	<20140916060206.GC3659@quadra> <5418DCBF.9070106@att.net>
Message-ID: <20140917073403.58659cbc@cygnus>

On Tue, 16 Sep 2014 19:58:39 -0500
Mike Flannigan via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> 
> On 9/16/2014 1:02 AM, Zakariyya Mughal via Houston wrote:
> >
> > Heheh, I'm still in university and I'm showing people Perl tricks
> > that blow their minds. People these days just don't use dynamic
> > languages to their full capability. They just learn the basics and
> > stop. :-P
> >
> > I just went to Houston Techfest[*] this weekend (as I have for a
> > number of years now) and I'm mostly seeing C# and JavaScript. There
> > used to be a larger Java presence and even some Ruby, but that has
> > seemed to waned. I'm wondering, would anyone want to present some
> > Perl there next year? I think I may have got someone interested in
> > looking at DBIx::Class.
> >
> > Also, have any of you checked out PowerShell? It's got a very terse
> > syntax. I may have to steal some of it for Perl.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > - Zaki Mughal
> 
> 
> I didn't know I had PowerShell on this Win7 machine
> of mine.  I'm watching tutorial 1 of 5 right now.  This
> guy sure gets excited about things that don't seem all
> that cool to me, but it sure is cool to him.  He is easily
> impressed.
> 
> I guess this PowerShell is a little bit better than the
> command prompt I am using now, but not much better in
> my opinion.  I really need to find a better one.

Last century, when I used to work in Windows, I used the Take Command
shell from JP Software. (I had actually used their 4DOS before that.)

A quick check on-line shows that Take Command still exists:
http://jpsoft.com/take-command-windows-scripting.html

G. Wade


> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
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-- 
C++ tries to guard against Murphy, not Machiavelli.
                                                    -- Damian Conway

From mikeflan at att.net  Wed Sep 17 05:51:19 2014
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 07:51:19 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Python and Perl is Dead
In-Reply-To: <20140917073403.58659cbc@cygnus>
References: <20140914191746.74eeac6c@cygnus>	<54163B18.2090108@att.net>	<20140916060206.GC3659@quadra>	<5418DCBF.9070106@att.net>
	<20140917073403.58659cbc@cygnus>
Message-ID: <541983C7.2040309@att.net>


On 9/17/2014 7:34 AM, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
> Last century, when I used to work in Windows, I used the Take Command 
> shell from JP Software. (I had actually used their 4DOS before that.) 
> A quick check on-line shows that Take Command still exists: 
> http://jpsoft.com/take-command-windows-scripting.html G. Wade


Thanks for that.  It must be VERY good, because
it is not cheap ($100).

I think this says it is the best:
http://alternativeto.net/software/windows-command-prompt-cmd/


Mike



From jellyson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 09:00:53 2014
From: jellyson at gmail.com (John Ellyson)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 11:00:53 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Python and Perl is Dead
In-Reply-To: <5418DCBF.9070106@att.net>
References: <20140914191746.74eeac6c@cygnus> <54163B18.2090108@att.net>
	<20140916060206.GC3659@quadra> <5418DCBF.9070106@att.net>
Message-ID: <CAHe5CJscoNZpqLVX88FsigiwbucNyj4pPuHnOmFPiGxFJnNDkA@mail.gmail.com>

I've been using PowerShell for a while at work.  I'm not saying that I
necessarily "love" it, but it definitely is an improvement over the older
DOS batch stuff.

Basically, Microsoft decided to come up with their own native scripting
language for the Windows environment and created PowerShell.  They borrowed
concepts from other languages (including Perl) when they made PowerShell.

Here's some of the aspects that (in my opinion) make PowerShell better than
the older DOS command prompt environment.
    - added in regex support
    - you can pipe output from one cmdlet to another  (They call PowerShell
"commands" cmdlets.)
        -  This is true even for the cmdlets that return objects.  In that
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cmdlets
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the CSV and XML modules do in Perl.
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    - Microsoft is moving more of their products and Windows management to
be accessible from PowerShell.
    - Ability to dot source another file (e.g. You have functions in
functions.ps1.  Then in your MyScript.ps1, you can pull in and use
functions.ps1 by using ". ./functions.ps1" in your script.)
    - error handling functionalities
    - With the Start-Job and Wait-Job cmdlets, you can run stuff in the
background while your main script does other tasks and also have the main
script wait for the background stuff to get finished before moving on.
    - The Get-Member cmdlet is very helpful in digging into the structure
(methods and properties) of objects that you don't have documentation for.

However, there are (at least from my perspective) a few drawbacks with
PowerShell.
    - Prior to Windows Server 2008 and Windows 7, older Windows versions
don't natively have PowerShell installed.  (Vista might have PowerShell,
but can't say for sure off the top of my head.)
        - Depending on how old the Windows version is, I believe that you
can add in PowerShell.
    - Newer versions of PowerShell have added functionality not available
in older versions.
        - For example, PowerShell 1.0 and 2.0 do not have cmdlets available
to retrieve/configure NIC settings.  These functionalities was added in
PowerShell 3.0.  I haven't use this yet, but from what I can tell, I think
using these cmdlets would be much easier than trying to use the older netsh
utility.
    - I have found that Microsoft's PowerShell documentation has been very
difficult to find.  And when you can find it, I personally found it to be
somewhat lacking - as in not documenting or providing examples for the
cmdlet option that I'm trying to figure out how to use.

At this point, if I'm personally trying to script something in Windows and
want to use what is natively available, I'd use PowerShell.

For anyone wanting to look into PowerShell and looking for basic
documentation, here's a few links that might be helpful:
    -  PowerShell 2.0
        - basic cmdlet information --
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd347701.aspx
        - about topics --
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd347616.aspx
    -  PowerShell 3.0 and newer
        - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh847840.aspx

John Ellyson

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Mike Flannigan via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

>
> On 9/16/2014 1:02 AM, Zakariyya Mughal via Houston wrote:
>
>>
>> Heheh, I'm still in university and I'm showing people Perl tricks that
>> blow their minds. People these days just don't use dynamic languages to
>> their full capability. They just learn the basics and stop. :-P
>>
>> I just went to Houston Techfest[*] this weekend (as I have for a number
>> of years now) and I'm mostly seeing C# and JavaScript. There used to be
>> a larger Java presence and even some Ruby, but that has seemed to waned.
>> I'm wondering, would anyone want to present some Perl there next year? I
>> think I may have got someone interested in looking at DBIx::Class.
>>
>> Also, have any of you checked out PowerShell? It's got a very terse
>> syntax. I may have to steal some of it for Perl.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> - Zaki Mughal
>>
>
>
> I didn't know I had PowerShell on this Win7 machine
> of mine.  I'm watching tutorial 1 of 5 right now.  This
> guy sure gets excited about things that don't seem all
> that cool to me, but it sure is cool to him.  He is easily
> impressed.
>
> I guess this PowerShell is a little bit better than the
> command prompt I am using now, but not much better in
> my opinion.  I really need to find a better one.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
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From: todd at rinaldo.us (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 11:16:08 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Fwd: Woot Daily Digest
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From damonhastings at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 17 09:33:44 2014
From: damonhastings at yahoo.com (Damon Hastings)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:33:44 -0700
Subject: [pm-h] Python and Perl is Dead
In-Reply-To: <CAHe5CJscoNZpqLVX88FsigiwbucNyj4pPuHnOmFPiGxFJnNDkA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20140914191746.74eeac6c@cygnus>
	<54163B18.2090108@att.net>	<20140916060206.GC3659@quadra>
	<5418DCBF.9070106@att.net>
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Message-ID: <1410971624.77906.YahooMailNeo@web181302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Also bear in mind that PowerShell has not had the best history in terms of security exploits.  (Well, I guess it's a Microsoft product after all...)


On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:00 AM, John Ellyson via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
 

>
>
>I've been using PowerShell for a while at work.  I'm not saying that I necessarily "love" it, but it definitely is an improvement over the older DOS batch stuff.
>
>
>Basically, Microsoft decided to come up with their own native scripting language for the Windows environment and created PowerShell.  They borrowed concepts from other languages (including Perl) when they made PowerShell.
>
>
>Here's some of the aspects that (in my opinion) make PowerShell better than the older DOS command prompt environment.
>    - added in regex support
>    - you can pipe output from one cmdlet to another  (They call PowerShell "commands" cmdlets.)
>        -  This is true even for the cmdlets that return objects.  In that case, you're piping objects and not just text.
>    - If you set up parameters for your PowerShell scripts correctly (instead of directly pulling from $Args), the Get-Help cmdlet will provide some of the basic usage output for you.
>    - built-in parsers for CSV and XML with the Import-CSV and Select-Xml cmdlets
>        - These cmdlets don't provide the fine tuning options that some of the CSV and XML modules do in Perl.
>    - PowerShell can natively use .NET libraries.  (This is one method for providing a GUI interface for your PowerShell scripts.)
>    - Microsoft is moving more of their products and Windows management to be accessible from PowerShell.
>    - Ability to dot source another file (e.g. You have functions in functions.ps1.  Then in your MyScript.ps1, you can pull in and use functions.ps1 by using ". ./functions.ps1" in your script.)
>    - error handling functionalities
>    - With the Start-Job and Wait-Job cmdlets, you can run stuff in the background while your main script does other tasks and also have the main script wait for the background stuff to get finished before moving on.
>    - The Get-Member cmdlet is very helpful in digging into the structure (methods and properties) of objects that you don't have documentation for.
>
>
>However, there are (at least from my perspective) a few drawbacks with PowerShell.
>    - Prior to Windows Server 2008 and Windows 7, older Windows versions don't natively have PowerShell installed.  (Vista might have PowerShell, but can't say for sure off the top of my head.)
>        - Depending on how old the Windows version is, I believe that you can add in PowerShell.
>    - Newer versions of PowerShell have added functionality not available in older versions.
>        - For example, PowerShell 1.0 and 2.0 do not have cmdlets available to retrieve/configure NIC settings.  These functionalities was added in PowerShell 3.0.  I haven't use this yet, but from what I can tell, I think using these cmdlets would be much easier than trying to use the older netsh utility.
>    - I have found that Microsoft's PowerShell documentation has been very difficult to find.  And when you can find it, I personally found it to be somewhat lacking - as in not documenting or providing examples for the cmdlet option that I'm trying to figure out how to use.
>
>
>At this point, if I'm personally trying to script something in Windows and want to use what is natively available, I'd use PowerShell.
>
>
>For anyone wanting to look into PowerShell and looking for basic documentation, here's a few links that might be helpful:
>    -  PowerShell 2.0
>        - basic cmdlet information -- http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd347701.aspx
>        - about topics -- http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd347616.aspx
>    -  PowerShell 3.0 and newer
>
>        - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh847840.aspx
>
>John Ellyson
>
>
>On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Mike Flannigan via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
>
>
>>On 9/16/2014 1:02 AM, Zakariyya Mughal via Houston wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Heheh, I'm still in university and I'm showing people Perl tricks that
>>>blow their minds. People these days just don't use dynamic languages to
>>>their full capability. They just learn the basics and stop. :-P
>>>
>>>I just went to Houston Techfest[*] this weekend (as I have for a number
>>>of years now) and I'm mostly seeing C# and JavaScript. There used to be
>>>a larger Java presence and even some Ruby, but that has seemed to waned.
>>>I'm wondering, would anyone want to present some Perl there next year? I
>>>think I may have got someone interested in looking at DBIx::Class.
>>>
>>>Also, have any of you checked out PowerShell? It's got a very terse
>>>syntax. I may have to steal some of it for Perl.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>- Zaki Mughal
>>>
>>
>>I didn't know I had PowerShell on this Win7 machine
>>of mine.  I'm watching tutorial 1 of 5 right now.  This
>>guy sure gets excited about things that don't seem all
>>that cool to me, but it sure is cool to him.  He is easily
>>impressed.
>>
>>I guess this PowerShell is a little bit better than the
>>command prompt I am using now, but not much better in
>>my opinion.  I really need to find a better one.
>>
>>
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Houston mailing list
>>Houston at pm.org
>>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>>Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>>
>
>
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From damonhastings at yahoo.com  Wed Sep 17 09:33:44 2014
From: damonhastings at yahoo.com (Damon Hastings)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:33:44 -0700
Subject: [pm-h] Python and Perl is Dead
In-Reply-To: <CAHe5CJscoNZpqLVX88FsigiwbucNyj4pPuHnOmFPiGxFJnNDkA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1410971624.77906.YahooMailNeo@web181302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Also bear in mind that PowerShell has not had the best history in terms of security exploits.  (Well, I guess it's a Microsoft product after all...)


On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:00 AM, John Ellyson via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
 

>
>
>I've been using PowerShell for a while at work.  I'm not saying that I necessarily "love" it, but it definitely is an improvement over the older DOS batch stuff.
>
>
>Basically, Microsoft decided to come up with their own native scripting language for the Windows environment and created PowerShell.  They borrowed concepts from other languages (including Perl) when they made PowerShell.
>
>
>Here's some of the aspects that (in my opinion) make PowerShell better than the older DOS command prompt environment.
>    - added in regex support
>    - you can pipe output from one cmdlet to another  (They call PowerShell "commands" cmdlets.)
>        -  This is true even for the cmdlets that return objects.  In that case, you're piping objects and not just text.
>    - If you set up parameters for your PowerShell scripts correctly (instead of directly pulling from $Args), the Get-Help cmdlet will provide some of the basic usage output for you.
>    - built-in parsers for CSV and XML with the Import-CSV and Select-Xml cmdlets
>        - These cmdlets don't provide the fine tuning options that some of the CSV and XML modules do in Perl.
>    - PowerShell can natively use .NET libraries.  (This is one method for providing a GUI interface for your PowerShell scripts.)
>    - Microsoft is moving more of their products and Windows management to be accessible from PowerShell.
>    - Ability to dot source another file (e.g. You have functions in functions.ps1.  Then in your MyScript.ps1, you can pull in and use functions.ps1 by using ". ./functions.ps1" in your script.)
>    - error handling functionalities
>    - With the Start-Job and Wait-Job cmdlets, you can run stuff in the background while your main script does other tasks and also have the main script wait for the background stuff to get finished before moving on.
>    - The Get-Member cmdlet is very helpful in digging into the structure (methods and properties) of objects that you don't have documentation for.
>
>
>However, there are (at least from my perspective) a few drawbacks with PowerShell.
>    - Prior to Windows Server 2008 and Windows 7, older Windows versions don't natively have PowerShell installed.  (Vista might have PowerShell, but can't say for sure off the top of my head.)
>        - Depending on how old the Windows version is, I believe that you can add in PowerShell.
>    - Newer versions of PowerShell have added functionality not available in older versions.
>        - For example, PowerShell 1.0 and 2.0 do not have cmdlets available to retrieve/configure NIC settings.  These functionalities was added in PowerShell 3.0.  I haven't use this yet, but from what I can tell, I think using these cmdlets would be much easier than trying to use the older netsh utility.
>    - I have found that Microsoft's PowerShell documentation has been very difficult to find.  And when you can find it, I personally found it to be somewhat lacking - as in not documenting or providing examples for the cmdlet option that I'm trying to figure out how to use.
>
>
>At this point, if I'm personally trying to script something in Windows and want to use what is natively available, I'd use PowerShell.
>
>
>For anyone wanting to look into PowerShell and looking for basic documentation, here's a few links that might be helpful:
>    -  PowerShell 2.0
>        - basic cmdlet information -- http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd347701.aspx
>        - about topics -- http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd347616.aspx
>    -  PowerShell 3.0 and newer
>
>        - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh847840.aspx
>
>John Ellyson
>
>
>On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Mike Flannigan via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
>
>
>>On 9/16/2014 1:02 AM, Zakariyya Mughal via Houston wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Heheh, I'm still in university and I'm showing people Perl tricks that
>>>blow their minds. People these days just don't use dynamic languages to
>>>their full capability. They just learn the basics and stop. :-P
>>>
>>>I just went to Houston Techfest[*] this weekend (as I have for a number
>>>of years now) and I'm mostly seeing C# and JavaScript. There used to be
>>>a larger Java presence and even some Ruby, but that has seemed to waned.
>>>I'm wondering, would anyone want to present some Perl there next year? I
>>>think I may have got someone interested in looking at DBIx::Class.
>>>
>>>Also, have any of you checked out PowerShell? It's got a very terse
>>>syntax. I may have to steal some of it for Perl.
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>- Zaki Mughal
>>>
>>
>>I didn't know I had PowerShell on this Win7 machine
>>of mine.  I'm watching tutorial 1 of 5 right now.  This
>>guy sure gets excited about things that don't seem all
>>that cool to me, but it sure is cool to him.  He is easily
>>impressed.
>>
>>I guess this PowerShell is a little bit better than the
>>command prompt I am using now, but not much better in
>>my opinion.  I really need to find a better one.
>>
>>
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
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From jellyson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 09:53:13 2014
From: jellyson at gmail.com (John Ellyson)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 11:53:13 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Fwd: Woot Daily Digest
In-Reply-To: <CAG8vyGHeYD16rspM4bHxGaX8YUssZ0twm=ABaFtJAUKp2C8-=g@mail.gmail.com>
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Perhaps you're thinking of something like this?

http://blog.ajani.org/perl-5-velociraptor-logo

John Ellyson

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Todd Rinaldo via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

> Every time I see this shirt, I think: s/LIFE/Perl/;
>
>
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> Subject: Woot Daily Digest
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>
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From jellyson at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 10:01:33 2014
From: jellyson at gmail.com (John Ellyson)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 12:01:33 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Python and Perl is Dead
In-Reply-To: <1410971624.77906.YahooMailNeo@web181302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <20140914191746.74eeac6c@cygnus> <54163B18.2090108@att.net>
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Honestly, I personally haven't looked into the security aspect of
PowerShell.  It does have an execution policy, which defaults to
"restricted" and in that mode it prevents scripts from being run (but
allows commands to be run).  (Similar approach that Microsoft now takes
with their Office products -- macros are disabled by default.)  Of course,
I've been in the habit of loosening that execution policy to be able to run
my scripts and I guess that's a "bad" thing to do as far as security is
concerned.

(PowerShell execution policies -
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd347641.aspx)

John Ellyson

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Damon Hastings <damonhastings at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> Also bear in mind that PowerShell has not had the best history in terms of
> security exploits.  (Well, I guess it's a Microsoft product after all...)
>
>
>   On Wednesday, September 17, 2014 11:00 AM, John Ellyson via Houston <
> houston at pm.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> I've been using PowerShell for a while at work.  I'm not saying that I
> necessarily "love" it, but it definitely is an improvement over the older
> DOS batch stuff.
>
> Basically, Microsoft decided to come up with their own native scripting
> language for the Windows environment and created PowerShell.  They borrowed
> concepts from other languages (including Perl) when they made PowerShell.
>
> Here's some of the aspects that (in my opinion) make PowerShell better
> than the older DOS command prompt environment.
>     - added in regex support
>     - you can pipe output from one cmdlet to another  (They call
> PowerShell "commands" cmdlets.)
>         -  This is true even for the cmdlets that return objects.  In that
> case, you're piping objects and not just text.
>     - If you set up parameters for your PowerShell scripts correctly
> (instead of directly pulling from $Args), the Get-Help cmdlet will provide
> some of the basic usage output for you.
>     - built-in parsers for CSV and XML with the Import-CSV and Select-Xml
> cmdlets
>         - These cmdlets don't provide the fine tuning options that some of
> the CSV and XML modules do in Perl.
>     - PowerShell can natively use .NET libraries.  (This is one method for
> providing a GUI interface for your PowerShell scripts.)
>     - Microsoft is moving more of their products and Windows management to
> be accessible from PowerShell.
>     - Ability to dot source another file (e.g. You have functions in
> functions.ps1.  Then in your MyScript.ps1, you can pull in and use
> functions.ps1 by using ". ./functions.ps1" in your script.)
>     - error handling functionalities
>     - With the Start-Job and Wait-Job cmdlets, you can run stuff in the
> background while your main script does other tasks and also have the main
> script wait for the background stuff to get finished before moving on.
>     - The Get-Member cmdlet is very helpful in digging into the structure
> (methods and properties) of objects that you don't have documentation for.
>
> However, there are (at least from my perspective) a few drawbacks with
> PowerShell.
>     - Prior to Windows Server 2008 and Windows 7, older Windows versions
> don't natively have PowerShell installed.  (Vista might have PowerShell,
> but can't say for sure off the top of my head.)
>         - Depending on how old the Windows version is, I believe that you
> can add in PowerShell.
>     - Newer versions of PowerShell have added functionality not available
> in older versions.
>         - For example, PowerShell 1.0 and 2.0 do not have cmdlets
> available to retrieve/configure NIC settings.  These functionalities was
> added in PowerShell 3.0.  I haven't use this yet, but from what I can tell,
> I think using these cmdlets would be much easier than trying to use the
> older netsh utility.
>     - I have found that Microsoft's PowerShell documentation has been very
> difficult to find.  And when you can find it, I personally found it to be
> somewhat lacking - as in not documenting or providing examples for the
> cmdlet option that I'm trying to figure out how to use.
>
> At this point, if I'm personally trying to script something in Windows and
> want to use what is natively available, I'd use PowerShell.
>
> For anyone wanting to look into PowerShell and looking for basic
> documentation, here's a few links that might be helpful:
>     -  PowerShell 2.0
>         - basic cmdlet information --
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd347701.aspx
>         - about topics --
> http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dd347616.aspx
>     -  PowerShell 3.0 and newer
>         - http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/hh847840.aspx
>
> John Ellyson
>
> On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 7:58 PM, Mike Flannigan via Houston <
> houston at pm.org> wrote:
>
>
> On 9/16/2014 1:02 AM, Zakariyya Mughal via Houston wrote:
>
>
> Heheh, I'm still in university and I'm showing people Perl tricks that
> blow their minds. People these days just don't use dynamic languages to
> their full capability. They just learn the basics and stop. :-P
>
> I just went to Houston Techfest[*] this weekend (as I have for a number
> of years now) and I'm mostly seeing C# and JavaScript. There used to be
> a larger Java presence and even some Ruby, but that has seemed to waned.
> I'm wondering, would anyone want to present some Perl there next year? I
> think I may have got someone interested in looking at DBIx::Class.
>
> Also, have any of you checked out PowerShell? It's got a very terse
> syntax. I may have to steal some of it for Perl.
>
> Cheers,
> - Zaki Mughal
>
>
>
> I didn't know I had PowerShell on this Win7 machine
> of mine.  I'm watching tutorial 1 of 5 right now.  This
> guy sure gets excited about things that don't seem all
> that cool to me, but it sure is cool to him.  He is easily
> impressed.
>
> I guess this PowerShell is a little bit better than the
> command prompt I am using now, but not much better in
> my opinion.  I really need to find a better one.
>
>
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
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From estrabd at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 10:29:22 2014
From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 12:29:22 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Fwd: Woot Daily Digest
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To stay with your Jeff Goldblum related meme, I'm pretty sure the virus he
uploaded to the alien mothership in Independence Day must have been written
in Perl. I mean, it had to have been.

Brett

On Wed, Sep 17, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Todd Rinaldo via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

> Every time I see this shirt, I think: s/LIFE/Perl/;
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Woot <no-reply at woot.com>
> Date: Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:52 AM
> Subject: Woot Daily Digest
> To: todd at rinaldo.us
>
>
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From estrabd at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 10:32:10 2014
From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 12:32:10 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Python and Perl is Dead
In-Reply-To: <CAMzD1So=RHTrDHK=mxNRqzmVHMZpzH-nwitm=6xr7Zgq4bsdeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20140914191746.74eeac6c@cygnus> <54163B18.2090108@att.net>
	<CAMzD1So=RHTrDHK=mxNRqzmVHMZpzH-nwitm=6xr7Zgq4bsdeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALSf6fR_03hxvOp6bNEo_OfzNrwXaLQbdZ+gOYqMxB0eXeHayw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Julian Brown via Houston
<houston at pm.org> wrote:
> Everyone says Perl is dead.  I have been working in Perl for 11 years, I
> don't think it is dead.
>

The feelings of immortality that one derives from running Perl-based
services on top of FreeBSD is worth the abuse.

Brett

> Julian
>
> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Mike Flannigan via Houston <houston at pm.org>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I talked to my nephew today.  He will graduate from
>> a tech school in Computer Science, or some similar
>> degree related to computer software.
>>
>> I asked him what software languages he uses.  Java,
>> C Sharp, something else, and believe it or not
>> Cobol and AS400 (for govt work).  I said what about
>> Python.  Oh, that's pretty much dead he says.  I said
>> "and of course Perl is dead, right?"  Yeah, he says,
>> nobody uses Perl, except you.
>>
>> Yeah, OK.  Sure.
>>
>> I asked him what he would recommend for somebody if
>> they don't use Java.  He says "C Sharp, I guess".
>> I asked him about Go.  He had never heard of it!
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Houston mailing list
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>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
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From zaki.mughal at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 10:38:45 2014
From: zaki.mughal at gmail.com (Zakariyya Mughal)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 12:38:45 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Python and Perl is Dead
In-Reply-To: <CALSf6fR_03hxvOp6bNEo_OfzNrwXaLQbdZ+gOYqMxB0eXeHayw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20140914191746.74eeac6c@cygnus> <54163B18.2090108@att.net>
	<CAMzD1So=RHTrDHK=mxNRqzmVHMZpzH-nwitm=6xr7Zgq4bsdeg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <20140917173845.GA24022@janus.cbl.uh.edu>

On 2014-09-17 at 12:32:10 -0500, B. Estrade via Houston wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Julian Brown via Houston
> <houston at pm.org> wrote:
> > Everyone says Perl is dead.  I have been working in Perl for 11 years, I
> > don't think it is dead.
> >
> 
> The feelings of immortality that one derives from running Perl-based
> services on top of FreeBSD is worth the abuse.

Immortality or omnipotence?

:-P

Cheers,
- Zaki Mughal


> 
> Brett
> 
> > Julian
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Mike Flannigan via Houston <houston at pm.org>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I talked to my nephew today.  He will graduate from
> >> a tech school in Computer Science, or some similar
> >> degree related to computer software.
> >>
> >> I asked him what software languages he uses.  Java,
> >> C Sharp, something else, and believe it or not
> >> Cobol and AS400 (for govt work).  I said what about
> >> Python.  Oh, that's pretty much dead he says.  I said
> >> "and of course Perl is dead, right?"  Yeah, he says,
> >> nobody uses Perl, except you.
> >>
> >> Yeah, OK.  Sure.
> >>
> >> I asked him what he would recommend for somebody if
> >> they don't use Java.  He says "C Sharp, I guess".
> >> I asked him about Go.  He had never heard of it!
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Houston mailing list
> >> Houston at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> >> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> >
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From lanny.ripple at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 14:54:53 2014
From: lanny.ripple at gmail.com (Lanny Ripple)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:54:53 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Python and Perl is Dead
In-Reply-To: <CAMzD1So=RHTrDHK=mxNRqzmVHMZpzH-nwitm=6xr7Zgq4bsdeg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20140914191746.74eeac6c@cygnus> <54163B18.2090108@att.net>
	<CAMzD1So=RHTrDHK=mxNRqzmVHMZpzH-nwitm=6xr7Zgq4bsdeg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ-j4sosZRhsrJF4dVdmq3nWF+Ep_bFkxS1HSf2J3QT3dgHe+A@mail.gmail.com>

It's as dead as COBOL (which oddly OP-subject, just graduated with a
degree, knows).  Very few languages truly die as long as there is a working
compiler/runtime and a codebase to maintain.

On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Julian Brown via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

> Everyone says Perl is dead.  I have been working in Perl for 11 years, I
> don't think it is dead.
>
> Julian
>
> On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Mike Flannigan via Houston <
> houston at pm.org> wrote:
>
>>
>> I talked to my nephew today.  He will graduate from
>> a tech school in Computer Science, or some similar
>> degree related to computer software.
>>
>> I asked him what software languages he uses.  Java,
>> C Sharp, something else, and believe it or not
>> Cobol and AS400 (for govt work).  I said what about
>> Python.  Oh, that's pretty much dead he says.  I said
>> "and of course Perl is dead, right?"  Yeah, he says,
>> nobody uses Perl, except you.
>>
>> Yeah, OK.  Sure.
>>
>> I asked him what he would recommend for somebody if
>> they don't use Java.  He says "C Sharp, I guess".
>> I asked him about Go.  He had never heard of it!
>>
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Houston mailing list
>> Houston at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>>
>
>
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Sep 18 07:13:45 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 09:13:45 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] October Houston.pm meeting at Hostgator
Message-ID: <20140918091345.07cf0770@cygnus>

The next Houston.pm meeting is on Thursday, October 9 at HostGator.

Anybody have a suggestion for a presentation?

G. Wade
-- 
One of the miseries of life is that everybody names things a little bit
wrong, and so it makes everything a little harder to understand in the
world than it would be if it were named differently.
                                                  -- Richard Feynman

From drzigman at drzigman.com  Fri Sep 19 08:54:49 2014
From: drzigman at drzigman.com (Robert Stone)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:54:49 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [pm-h] October Houston.pm meeting at Hostgator
In-Reply-To: <20140918091345.07cf0770@cygnus>
References: <20140918091345.07cf0770@cygnus>
Message-ID: <1833830164.22591.1411142089563.JavaMail.zimbra@drzigman.com>

Greetings,

I have a presentation I've been working on entitled "A Clear Text Explanation of the AES Cipher."  It features some history, how the algorithm works, and a walk through of my soon to be released Crypt::Rijndael::PP module (heavy on the usage of pack/unpack and I'm very open to feedback and review from the group).

If there is interest I'm happy to pull the presentation together and deliver it at our next meeting.

Best Regards,
Robert Stone

----- Original Message -----
From: "G. Wade Johnson via Houston" <houston at pm.org>
To: "Houston Perl Mongers" <houston at pm.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:13:45 AM
Subject: [pm-h] October Houston.pm meeting at Hostgator

The next Houston.pm meeting is on Thursday, October 9 at HostGator.

Anybody have a suggestion for a presentation?

G. Wade
-- 
One of the miseries of life is that everybody names things a little bit
wrong, and so it makes everything a little harder to understand in the
world than it would be if it were named differently.
                                                  -- Richard Feynman
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From julian at jlbprof.com  Fri Sep 19 09:46:52 2014
From: julian at jlbprof.com (Julian Brown)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 11:46:52 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] October Houston.pm meeting at Hostgator
In-Reply-To: <1833830164.22591.1411142089563.JavaMail.zimbra@drzigman.com>
References: <20140918091345.07cf0770@cygnus>
	<1833830164.22591.1411142089563.JavaMail.zimbra@drzigman.com>
Message-ID: <CAMzD1So3Uk01OA8a6oNLxkGmLP7hz+0796prfJmm6MxPTDVP9A@mail.gmail.com>

Cool

Julian Brown

On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Robert Stone via Houston <houston at pm.org>
wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> I have a presentation I've been working on entitled "A Clear Text
> Explanation of the AES Cipher."  It features some history, how the
> algorithm works, and a walk through of my soon to be released
> Crypt::Rijndael::PP module (heavy on the usage of pack/unpack and I'm very
> open to feedback and review from the group).
>
> If there is interest I'm happy to pull the presentation together and
> deliver it at our next meeting.
>
> Best Regards,
> Robert Stone
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "G. Wade Johnson via Houston" <houston at pm.org>
> To: "Houston Perl Mongers" <houston at pm.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:13:45 AM
> Subject: [pm-h] October Houston.pm meeting at Hostgator
>
> The next Houston.pm meeting is on Thursday, October 9 at HostGator.
>
> Anybody have a suggestion for a presentation?
>
> G. Wade
> --
> One of the miseries of life is that everybody names things a little bit
> wrong, and so it makes everything a little harder to understand in the
> world than it would be if it were named differently.
>                                                   -- Richard Feynman
> _______________________________________________
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From toddr at cpanel.net  Fri Sep 19 16:00:32 2014
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 18:00:32 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] October Houston.pm meeting at Hostgator
In-Reply-To: <CAMzD1So3Uk01OA8a6oNLxkGmLP7hz+0796prfJmm6MxPTDVP9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20140918091345.07cf0770@cygnus>
	<1833830164.22591.1411142089563.JavaMail.zimbra@drzigman.com>
	<CAMzD1So3Uk01OA8a6oNLxkGmLP7hz+0796prfJmm6MxPTDVP9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AAE8D540-B64D-492B-9816-FCA652828234@cpanel.net>

Beans

On Sep 19, 2014, at 11:46 AM, Julian Brown via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> Cool
> 
> Julian Brown
> 
> On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Robert Stone via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> I have a presentation I've been working on entitled "A Clear Text Explanation of the AES Cipher."  It features some history, how the algorithm works, and a walk through of my soon to be released Crypt::Rijndael::PP module (heavy on the usage of pack/unpack and I'm very open to feedback and review from the group).
> 
> If there is interest I'm happy to pull the presentation together and deliver it at our next meeting.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Robert Stone
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "G. Wade Johnson via Houston" <houston at pm.org>
> To: "Houston Perl Mongers" <houston at pm.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:13:45 AM
> Subject: [pm-h] October Houston.pm meeting at Hostgator
> 
> The next Houston.pm meeting is on Thursday, October 9 at HostGator.
> 
> Anybody have a suggestion for a presentation?
> 
> G. Wade
> --
> One of the miseries of life is that everybody names things a little bit
> wrong, and so it makes everything a little harder to understand in the
> world than it would be if it were named differently.
>                                                   -- Richard Feynman
> _______________________________________________
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Sep 21 20:06:40 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 22:06:40 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] October Houston.pm meeting at Hostgator
In-Reply-To: <1833830164.22591.1411142089563.JavaMail.zimbra@drzigman.com>
References: <20140918091345.07cf0770@cygnus>
	<1833830164.22591.1411142089563.JavaMail.zimbra@drzigman.com>
Message-ID: <20140921220640.49c3a085@cygnus>

On Fri, 19 Sep 2014 15:54:49 +0000 (GMT)
Robert Stone via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> I have a presentation I've been working on entitled "A Clear Text
> Explanation of the AES Cipher."  It features some history, how the
> algorithm works, and a walk through of my soon to be released
> Crypt::Rijndael::PP module (heavy on the usage of pack/unpack and I'm
> very open to feedback and review from the group).
> 
> If there is interest I'm happy to pull the presentation together and
> deliver it at our next meeting.

It looks like we have a winner. I'll announce it everywhere this week.

G. Wade

> Best Regards,
> Robert Stone
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "G. Wade Johnson via Houston" <houston at pm.org>
> To: "Houston Perl Mongers" <houston at pm.org>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 9:13:45 AM
> Subject: [pm-h] October Houston.pm meeting at Hostgator
> 
> The next Houston.pm meeting is on Thursday, October 9 at HostGator.
> 
> Anybody have a suggestion for a presentation?
> 
> G. Wade


-- 
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Sep 22 09:38:46 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:38:46 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] October Houston.pm Meeting: A Clear Text Explanation of the
 AES Cipher
Message-ID: <20140922113846.3751b161@cygnus>

Robert Stone has volunteered to present "A Clear Text Explanation of
the AES Cipher." The presentation features some history, how the
algorithm works, and a walk through of his soon-to-be-released
Crypt::Rijndael::PP module.

This promises to be a really technical and interesting meeting. We look
forward to seeing you there.

G. Wade Johnson
-- 
There are two ways to write error-free programs; only the third one
works. -- Alan Perlis

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Sep 28 17:59:10 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:59:10 -0500
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