From mikeflan at att.net  Fri Nov  1 03:17:46 2013
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 05:17:46 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Beginners/Novices Hangout
In-Reply-To: <5271B1DC.8060704@att.net>
References: <20131030180535.7af12c73@cygnus> <5271B1DC.8060704@att.net>
Message-ID: <52737FCA.9070402@att.net>


My Google+ acct says there was a hangout last
night - Wednesday, October 30, 2013.  Surely
that was just a test.


Mike


On 10/30/2013 8:26 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote:
>
> Sounds good.  I plan to attend.
>
>
> Mike
>
>
> On 10/30/2013 6:05 PM, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
>> Based on the input I've gotten so far, I'm going to do the first of
>> these hangouts on Monday, November 4. I'll start at 6:30pm and go for
>> 1-2 hours.
>>
>> I'll make the announcement through the Houston.pm page, so it should be
>> pretty easy to find.
>>
>> I hope to see some of you there.
>> G. Wade
>


From gwadej at anomaly.org  Fri Nov  1 06:07:20 2013
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 08:07:20 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Beginners/Novices Hangout
In-Reply-To: <52737FCA.9070402@att.net>
References: <20131030180535.7af12c73@cygnus> <5271B1DC.8060704@att.net>
	<52737FCA.9070402@att.net>
Message-ID: <20131101080720.0b2940c8@cygnus>

On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 05:17:46 -0500
Mike Flannigan <mikeflan at att.net> wrote:

> 
> My Google+ acct says there was a hangout last
> night - Wednesday, October 30, 2013.  Surely
> that was just a test.

That was a (unintended) test). I was setting up the hangout and didn't
change the date. Still subject to think-o's, unfortunately.

You should see an event scheduled for Monday.

G. Wade

> Mike
> 
> 
> On 10/30/2013 8:26 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote:
> >
> > Sounds good.  I plan to attend.
> >
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > On 10/30/2013 6:05 PM, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
> >> Based on the input I've gotten so far, I'm going to do the first of
> >> these hangouts on Monday, November 4. I'll start at 6:30pm and go
> >> for 1-2 hours.
> >>
> >> I'll make the announcement through the Houston.pm page, so it
> >> should be pretty easy to find.
> >>
> >> I hope to see some of you there.
> >> G. Wade
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/


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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Fri Nov  1 16:13:30 2013
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From flbaker at sbcglobal.net  Mon Nov  4 14:31:19 2013
From: flbaker at sbcglobal.net (Fraser Baker)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 16:31:19 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Beginners/Novices Hangout
In-Reply-To: <20131101080720.0b2940c8@cygnus>
References: <20131030180535.7af12c73@cygnus>
	<5271B1DC.8060704@att.net><52737FCA.9070402@att.net>
	<20131101080720.0b2940c8@cygnus>
Message-ID: <25BF2F9A3EB84689B48605BA96CB7CF9@CHEETAH>

Hi Wade:

Novices Hangout is tonight, but where?

Fraser

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org>
To: <houston at pm.org>
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 7:07 AM
Subject: Re: [pm-h] Houston.pm Beginners/Novices Hangout


> On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 05:17:46 -0500
> Mike Flannigan <mikeflan at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> My Google+ acct says there was a hangout last
>> night - Wednesday, October 30, 2013.  Surely
>> that was just a test.
> 
> That was a (unintended) test). I was setting up the hangout and didn't
> change the date. Still subject to think-o's, unfortunately.
> 
> You should see an event scheduled for Monday.
> 
> G. Wade
> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/30/2013 8:26 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote:
>> >
>> > Sounds good.  I plan to attend.
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike
>> >
>> >
>> > On 10/30/2013 6:05 PM, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
>> >> Based on the input I've gotten so far, I'm going to do the first of
>> >> these hangouts on Monday, November 4. I'll start at 6:30pm and go
>> >> for 1-2 hours.
>> >>
>> >> I'll make the announcement through the Houston.pm page, so it
>> >> should be pretty easy to find.
>> >>
>> >> I hope to see some of you there.
>> >> G. Wade
>> >
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Houston mailing list
>> Houston at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> 
> 
> -- 
> Perl isn't really about safety. It's about getting where you're going,
> and enjoying the trip. It's more important to be a good driver than to
> have seven feet of sponge rubber all around your car.      -- Larry Wall
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Nov  4 15:19:55 2013
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 17:19:55 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Novice Hangout starting soon.
Message-ID: <20131104171955.72335040@cygnus>

The hangout will start in a little over an hour.

If you are really, really junior in programming, you might find my most
recent blog entry useful
(http://anomaly.org/wade/blog/2013/11/novice_programmers.html)

I've created a Google Document that we can use to share pieces of code.
Todd had mentioned that screen sharing is not always readable, so I
figure this might help.
(https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U-SDEokWBIzhEG2CKtb1XSEN0GiEKR2gX-8r5n5QQUY/edit?usp=sharing)

G. Wade
-- 
You need at least two viewpoints to have perspective.
                                                    -- Rick Hoselton

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Nov  4 15:25:24 2013
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 17:25:24 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Beginners/Novices Hangout
In-Reply-To: <25BF2F9A3EB84689B48605BA96CB7CF9@CHEETAH>
References: <20131030180535.7af12c73@cygnus> <5271B1DC.8060704@att.net>
	<52737FCA.9070402@att.net> <20131101080720.0b2940c8@cygnus>
	<25BF2F9A3EB84689B48605BA96CB7CF9@CHEETAH>
Message-ID: <20131104172524.6a3dca97@cygnus>

On Mon, 4 Nov 2013 16:31:19 -0600
"Fraser Baker" <flbaker at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Hi Wade:
> 
> Novices Hangout is tonight, but where?

I'll be kicking off the Google Hangout a little before 6:30. If you
circle +Houston.pm in Google+, you should see it there.

As soon as I have the Hangout up and running, I should be able to post
a direct link to the list.

G. Wade

> Fraser
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org>
> To: <houston at pm.org>
> Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 7:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [pm-h] Houston.pm Beginners/Novices Hangout
> 
> 
> > On Fri, 01 Nov 2013 05:17:46 -0500
> > Mike Flannigan <mikeflan at att.net> wrote:
> > 
> >> 
> >> My Google+ acct says there was a hangout last
> >> night - Wednesday, October 30, 2013.  Surely
> >> that was just a test.
> > 
> > That was a (unintended) test). I was setting up the hangout and
> > didn't change the date. Still subject to think-o's, unfortunately.
> > 
> > You should see an event scheduled for Monday.
> > 
> > G. Wade
> > 
> >> Mike
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On 10/30/2013 8:26 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Sounds good.  I plan to attend.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Mike
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On 10/30/2013 6:05 PM, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
> >> >> Based on the input I've gotten so far, I'm going to do the
> >> >> first of these hangouts on Monday, November 4. I'll start at
> >> >> 6:30pm and go for 1-2 hours.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'll make the announcement through the Houston.pm page, so it
> >> >> should be pretty easy to find.
> >> >>
> >> >> I hope to see some of you there.
> >> >> G. Wade
> >> >
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Houston mailing list
> >> Houston at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> >> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Perl isn't really about safety. It's about getting where you're
> > going, and enjoying the trip. It's more important to be a good
> > driver than to have seven feet of sponge rubber all around your
> > car.      -- Larry Wall
> > _______________________________________________ Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/


-- 
Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Nov  4 16:21:58 2013
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 18:21:58 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Novice/Beginner Hangout in 10 minutes
Message-ID: <20131104182158.435b0745@cygnus>

https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/7ecpiv7jtjt9oqrc955bm9into?authuser=0&eid=104331489743076486517&hl=en

-- 
There are two ways to write error-free programs; only the third one
works. -- Alan Perlis

From mikeflan at att.net  Mon Nov  4 18:02:41 2013
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:02:41 -0600
Subject: [pm-h]  Novice Hangout
In-Reply-To: <20131104171955.72335040@cygnus>
References: <20131104171955.72335040@cygnus>
Message-ID: <527851C1.2030603@att.net>


Nice article on breaking a problem into pieces.
That makes a lot of sense.

We had a good Beginners hangout.  I enjoyed
it and learned a few things.

One topic of discussion was:
http://www.yubico.com



Mike


On 11/4/2013 5:19 PM, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
> The hangout will start in a little over an hour.
>
> If you are really, really junior in programming, you might find my most
> recent blog entry useful
> (http://anomaly.org/wade/blog/2013/11/novice_programmers.html)
>
> I've created a Google Document that we can use to share pieces of code.
> Todd had mentioned that screen sharing is not always readable, so I
> figure this might help.
> (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U-SDEokWBIzhEG2CKtb1XSEN0GiEKR2gX-8r5n5QQUY/edit?usp=sharing)
>
> G. Wade


From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Mon Nov  4 19:17:21 2013
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 19:17:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [pm-h] Novice Hangout
In-Reply-To: <527851C1.2030603@att.net>
References: <20131104171955.72335040@cygnus> <527851C1.2030603@att.net>
Message-ID: <1383621441.41376.YahooMailNeo@web164005.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Sorry I missed it. 6:30-8 pm is a rough time for me. ?Maybe next time.

Mark



On Monday, November 4, 2013 7:58 PM, Mike Flannigan <mikeflan at att.net> wrote:
 

Nice article on breaking a problem into pieces.
That makes a lot of sense.

We had a good Beginners hangout.? I enjoyed
it and learned a few things.

One topic of discussion was:
http://www.yubico.com



Mike



On 11/4/2013 5:19 PM, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
> The hangout will start in a little over an hour.
>
> If you are really, really junior in programming, you might find my most
> recent blog entry useful
> (http://anomaly.org/wade/blog/2013/11/novice_programmers.html)
>
> I've created a Google Document that we can use to share pieces of code.
> Todd had mentioned that screen sharing is not always readable, so I
> figure this might help.
> (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1U-SDEokWBIzhEG2CKtb1XSEN0GiEKR2gX-8r5n5QQUY/edit?usp=sharing)
>
> G. Wade

_______________________________________________
Houston mailing list
Houston at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Nov  4 20:07:20 2013
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 22:07:20 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Novice Hangout
Message-ID: <20131104220720.44350bd7@cygnus>

The Novice/Beginner Hangout was a qualified success. There were a few
technical difficulties. We had 7 people altogether show up. It turned
into mostly a social meeting with a little bit of discussion. Topics we
hit included:

  1. Devel::hdb
  2. Moose
  3. Reverse Geo-coding
  4. Yubikeys
  5. Sharing a DBD connection among multiple threads or processes
  6. Changing the port for DBD::Oracle
  7. Cats
  8. DPS and name changes

We learned about some technical difficulties when working with Google
Hangouts. Probably the most important point is that it is important to
test before you join a hangout. Most of the problems fell into a
handful of areas.

  1. Not having sound input and output configured correctly.
  2. Bandwidth issues
  3. Not having installed the hangouts plugin ahead of time.

Despite these issues, things worked pretty well toward the end. We
verified that screen sharing works okay if you have the font large
enough. We also verified that reconnection works if you drop out for
bandwidth or other technical issues.

Based on what we learned this time, we probably need to have a couple
more attempts with more and different people to work out more issues.

G. Wade
-- 
Who knows what email lurks in the hearts of men?

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Wed Nov  6 15:42:34 2013
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:42:34 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Andy Lester advice on Regular Expressions
Message-ID: <20131106174234.0404a13d@cygnus>

http://blog.smartbear.com/development/the-developers-regex-survival-guide-15-rules-for-making-sense-of-regular-expressions/

G. Wade
-- 
You need at least two viewpoints to have perspective.
                                                    -- Rick Hoselton

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sat Nov  9 06:10:40 2013
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 08:10:40 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Introduction to Secure Password Storage in Perl
Message-ID: <20131109081040.4ec0cd20@cygnus>

If you have need of storing passwords in your program, this article
gives some idea of how to begin to do it correctly.

http://perlmaven.com/storing-passwords-in-a-an-easy-but-secure-way

G. Wade
-- 
One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them,
One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them,
In the land of Redmond, where the Windows lie.

From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Sat Nov  9 06:57:32 2013
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 08:57:32 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Introduction to Secure Password Storage in Perl
In-Reply-To: <20131109081040.4ec0cd20@cygnus>
References: <20131109081040.4ec0cd20@cygnus>
Message-ID: <9ECE6733-735A-43CB-BE0E-02402E18E61A@yahoo.com>

Really disappointed that article didn't mention bcrypt at all.

https://metacpan.org/pod/Digest::Bcrypt

IMO if you're not hashing passwords with bcrypt you're doing it wrong.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 9, 2013, at 8:10 AM, "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> 
> If you have need of storing passwords in your program, this article
> gives some idea of how to begin to do it correctly.
> 
> http://perlmaven.com/storing-passwords-in-a-an-easy-but-secure-way
> 
> G. Wade
> -- 
> One OS to rule them all, One OS to find them,
> One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them,
> In the land of Redmond, where the Windows lie.
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From rlharris at oplink.net  Wed Nov 13 11:12:12 2013
From: rlharris at oplink.net (rlharris at oplink.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:12:12 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [pm-h] study of disk drive longevity
Message-ID: <34213.216.230.236.140.1384369932.squirrel@www.oplink.net>

http://blog.backblaze.com/2013/11/12/how-long-do-disk-drives-last/

This is an interesting real-life study  (bank of 25,000 drives on-line
24/7) which, incidentally, explains why drive warranties typically are
1-year or 3-year.

RLH


From jellyson at gmail.com  Thu Nov 14 09:49:22 2013
From: jellyson at gmail.com (John Ellyson)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:49:22 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] November Houston.pm Technical Meeting: Bitcoin Payment
	Processing
In-Reply-To: <20131025151340.60b7b02c@cygnus>
References: <20131025151340.60b7b02c@cygnus>
Message-ID: <CAHe5CJuEdDKiOxDFVk5aKBa+5m=-no53MqXx7ExuZO3bbEWUow@mail.gmail.com>

Are there any plans to utilize Google Hangouts or something similar for
remotely joining the meeting tonight?

John Ellyson


On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 3:13 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:

> For November's meeting, JD Lightsey has agreed to do a talk on how
> Bitcoin transactions are processed. He'll include some examples of CPAN
> modules for Bitcoin.
>
> As usual, we will meet downstairs between 6:30pm and 7pm and go up to
> the training room for the meeting.
>
> Looking forward to seeing you there.
> G. Wade
> --
> Oh really? There's debate about open source hardware? I'm going to keep
> shipping open source hardware while you all argue about it.
>                                                           -- Ladyada
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From estrabd at gmail.com  Thu Nov 14 11:13:52 2013
From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:13:52 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] November Houston.pm Technical Meeting: Bitcoin Payment
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I vote for this. I imagine this will be a *highly* popular video if made
available. (Hint, have "Houston.pm" in the background somewhere :)

Thank you,
Brett


On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 11:49 AM, John Ellyson <jellyson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are there any plans to utilize Google Hangouts or something similar for
> remotely joining the meeting tonight?
>
> John Ellyson
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 25, 2013 at 3:13 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>wrote:
>
>> For November's meeting, JD Lightsey has agreed to do a talk on how
>> Bitcoin transactions are processed. He'll include some examples of CPAN
>> modules for Bitcoin.
>>
>> As usual, we will meet downstairs between 6:30pm and 7pm and go up to
>> the training room for the meeting.
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing you there.
>> G. Wade
>> --
>> Oh really? There's debate about open source hardware? I'm going to keep
>> shipping open source hardware while you all argue about it.
>>                                                           -- Ladyada
>> _______________________________________________
>> Houston mailing list
>> Houston at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Nov 14 11:16:35 2013
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:16:35 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] November Houston.pm Technical Meeting: Bitcoin Payment
 Processing
In-Reply-To: <CAHe5CJuEdDKiOxDFVk5aKBa+5m=-no53MqXx7ExuZO3bbEWUow@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20131025151340.60b7b02c@cygnus>
	<CAHe5CJuEdDKiOxDFVk5aKBa+5m=-no53MqXx7ExuZO3bbEWUow@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20131114131635.68003449@cygnus>

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:49:22 -0600
John Ellyson <jellyson at gmail.com> wrote:

> Are there any plans to utilize Google Hangouts or something similar
> for remotely joining the meeting tonight?
> 
> John Ellyson

Does anyone have a laptop that's up to it and that they are bringing to
the meeting tonight?

My laptop is slowly dying, so it wouldn't be up to pushing pixels. I
think Todd's going to be out.

JD? Any chance?

G. Wade
-- 
Computer language design is just like a stroll in the park.  Jurassic
Park, that is.                                          -- Larry Wall

From john at nixnuts.net  Thu Nov 14 11:43:07 2013
From: john at nixnuts.net (John Lightsey)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 13:43:07 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] November Houston.pm Technical Meeting: Bitcoin Payment
 Processing
In-Reply-To: <20131114131635.68003449@cygnus>
References: <20131025151340.60b7b02c@cygnus>
	<CAHe5CJuEdDKiOxDFVk5aKBa+5m=-no53MqXx7ExuZO3bbEWUow@mail.gmail.com>
	<20131114131635.68003449@cygnus>
Message-ID: <1384458187.4178.367.camel@goat.lightspeed>

Well, I can screenshare through hangouts for anyone that wants to attend
remotely. I'd rather not put it online permanently though...  I don't
have my material polished to that level.

If you want me to bring you in through a hangout, you'll need to add me
to your circles. I'm john.d.lightsey on gmail.

On Thu, 2013-11-14 at 13:16 -0600, G. Wade Johnson wrote: 
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:49:22 -0600
> John Ellyson <jellyson at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Are there any plans to utilize Google Hangouts or something similar
> > for remotely joining the meeting tonight?
> > 
> > John Ellyson
> 
> Does anyone have a laptop that's up to it and that they are bringing to
> the meeting tonight?
> 
> My laptop is slowly dying, so it wouldn't be up to pushing pixels. I
> think Todd's going to be out.
> 
> JD? Any chance?
> 
> G. Wade

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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Nov 14 20:46:41 2013
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 22:46:41 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Multi-dimensional hashes
Message-ID: <20131114224641.13b9f72e@cygnus>

We talked about this in a recent meeting, but Gabor has some nice
examples.

http://perlmaven.com/multi-dimensional-hashes

G. Wade
-- 
Experience isn't hereditary - it ain't even contagious.
                                                        -- John Gall

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Nov 18 04:51:54 2013
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Nov 19 11:39:40 2013
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:39:40 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] November meeting notes are up
Message-ID: <20131119133940.4819467b@cygnus>

Hey everyone,

The meeting notes are up:
http://houston.pm.org/talks/2013talks/1311Talk/index.html

G. Wade
-- 
There's often more than one correct thing.
There's often more than one right thing.
There's often more than one obvious thing.            -- Larry Wall

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Nov 21 06:13:34 2013
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 08:13:34 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Good use of hashes for our more junior members
Message-ID: <20131121081334.7c4debfc@cygnus>

I know that everyone who has been programming in Perl for a while will
be aware of this, but some of our members may not have done this.

http://perlmaven.com/count-words-in-text-using-perl

Gabor does a good job of setting up a simple problem and explaining it
well. I have used variations of this code more times than I can count.

He really does not go into using regular expressions to extract other
things besides just words (e.g. IP addresses, telephone numbers), which
is fine because he is focusing on the counting technique.

There are also a number of things you can do with this hash when you
are finished. The reports he shows are pretty straight-forward, but
graphing the output is not incredibly hard if that's what you need.

G. Wade
-- 
DON'T PANIC! I'm a trained professional, and far more qualified to
panic in this situation than you are.

From estrabd at gmail.com  Thu Nov 21 06:25:27 2013
From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 08:25:27 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Good use of hashes for our more junior members
In-Reply-To: <20131121081334.7c4debfc@cygnus>
References: <20131121081334.7c4debfc@cygnus>
Message-ID: <CALSf6fQ5YyYwstghWDXy8aosk5UBe-UsR-5NU0-H_Yz7zSS8ng@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, Wade.

I tend to use hashes as a "go to" way to trade time complexity for memory,
taking advantage of the "O(1)" look up the hash provides.

For example, if I have a complex data structure that will require some
iterating to get various bits of information, I will store it in 2 or more
ways that provide the look up in more efficient ways. I guess it'd be like
a poor man's heap structure. There is overhead in maintaining more than one
version of a data object, but if you're needing to optimize for speed and
can spare the memory, this is a legitimate thing to do.

Another way I will use a hash is to replace a longish if/elsif/else block
with a hash based dispatch table.  This eliminate the need for any
conditional chaining and allows the proper subroutine of code (that would
otherwise be branched into if a condition was met) to be executed
immediately. Not only is this much more efficient (O(1) branching versus
O(n), where n is the number of conditionals to test), but is makes for much
cleaner and easier to read code.

In general, hashes in Perl (due to the fact that the key can point to
literally anything) are a really nice tools not just for creating complex
data structures, but for optimizing your code on a fairly high level.

Brett


On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 8:13 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:

> I know that everyone who has been programming in Perl for a while will
> be aware of this, but some of our members may not have done this.
>
> http://perlmaven.com/count-words-in-text-using-perl
>
> Gabor does a good job of setting up a simple problem and explaining it
> well. I have used variations of this code more times than I can count.
>
> He really does not go into using regular expressions to extract other
> things besides just words (e.g. IP addresses, telephone numbers), which
> is fine because he is focusing on the counting technique.
>
> There are also a number of things you can do with this hash when you
> are finished. The reports he shows are pretty straight-forward, but
> graphing the output is not incredibly hard if that's what you need.
>
> G. Wade
> --
> DON'T PANIC! I'm a trained professional, and far more qualified to
> panic in this situation than you are.
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
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From rlharris at oplink.net  Thu Nov 21 07:52:09 2013
From: rlharris at oplink.net (rlharris at oplink.net)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 09:52:09 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [pm-h] mail processing after download
Message-ID: <50894.216.230.236.160.1385049129.squirrel@www.oplink.net>

Regrettably, I have about a gigabyte of unread mail on the pop3 server
of my isp.  I do not wish to lose these messages.  I would like to
download this backlog of messages to my desktop machine, and sort
through them over the holidays.

Also, I question whether the pop3 server allows such a large volume of
mail to be downloaded in a single batch.  But getmail has a download
limit feature which permits downloading messages in small batches.

In sorting through the backlog of mail, I would like to use a
combination of maildrop and a spam filter such as bmf.  I am running
Debian Linux.

I know how to use getmail to download mail to a maildir or mbox on the
desktop.  But I do NOT know how to pull messages one at a time from a
maildir or mbox on the desktop and feed them to a delivery agent such
as maildrop.  I would prefer to use maildir rather than mbox.

Would the Perl module Mail::Maildir be the proper choice for this
task?

RLH



From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Nov 21 08:05:50 2013
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 10:05:50 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Good use of hashes for our more junior members
In-Reply-To: <CALSf6fQ5YyYwstghWDXy8aosk5UBe-UsR-5NU0-H_Yz7zSS8ng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20131121081334.7c4debfc@cygnus>
	<CALSf6fQ5YyYwstghWDXy8aosk5UBe-UsR-5NU0-H_Yz7zSS8ng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20131121100550.3f6b9f51@cygnus>

On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 08:25:27 -0600
"B. Estrade" <estrabd at gmail.com> wrote:

> Thank you, Wade.
> 
> I tend to use hashes as a "go to" way to trade time complexity for
> memory, taking advantage of the "O(1)" look up the hash provides.
> 
> For example, if I have a complex data structure that will require some
> iterating to get various bits of information, I will store it in 2 or
> more ways that provide the look up in more efficient ways. I guess
> it'd be like a poor man's heap structure. There is overhead in
> maintaining more than one version of a data object, but if you're
> needing to optimize for speed and can spare the memory, this is a
> legitimate thing to do.

I've found this very useful with hierarchical data as well. A
multidimensional hash as the main data structure and (sometimes) a
couple more for other slices through the data.

> Another way I will use a hash is to replace a longish if/elsif/else
> block with a hash based dispatch table.  This eliminate the need for
> any conditional chaining and allows the proper subroutine of code
> (that would otherwise be branched into if a condition was met) to be
> executed immediately. Not only is this much more efficient (O(1)
> branching versus O(n), where n is the number of conditionals to
> test), but is makes for much cleaner and easier to read code.

Dispatch tables are one of my favorite uses of hashes. As long as you
don't use too many anonymous subs (or more importantly too complex
anonymous subs) in the table, it's definitely easier to read.

> In general, hashes in Perl (due to the fact that the key can point to
> literally anything) are a really nice tools not just for creating
> complex data structures, but for optimizing your code on a fairly
> high level.

Agreed.

The reason I pointed to the article is that it sometimes takes a while
to realize how many advantages you gain with careful uses of a hash or
two. More junior Perl programmers need to see.

G. Wade

> Brett
> 
> 
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 8:13 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>
> wrote:
> 
> > I know that everyone who has been programming in Perl for a while
> > will be aware of this, but some of our members may not have done
> > this.
> >
> > http://perlmaven.com/count-words-in-text-using-perl
> >
> > Gabor does a good job of setting up a simple problem and explaining
> > it well. I have used variations of this code more times than I can
> > count.
> >
> > He really does not go into using regular expressions to extract
> > other things besides just words (e.g. IP addresses, telephone
> > numbers), which is fine because he is focusing on the counting
> > technique.
> >
> > There are also a number of things you can do with this hash when you
> > are finished. The reports he shows are pretty straight-forward, but
> > graphing the output is not incredibly hard if that's what you need.
> >
> > G. Wade
> > --
> > DON'T PANIC! I'm a trained professional, and far more qualified to
> > panic in this situation than you are.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> >


-- 
C++ tries to guard against Murphy, not Machiavelli.
                                                    -- Damian Conway

From rurban at x-ray.at  Thu Nov 21 09:51:22 2013
From: rurban at x-ray.at (Reini Urban)
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 11:51:22 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Good use of hashes for our more junior members
In-Reply-To: <20131121100550.3f6b9f51@cygnus>
References: <20131121081334.7c4debfc@cygnus>
	<CALSf6fQ5YyYwstghWDXy8aosk5UBe-UsR-5NU0-H_Yz7zSS8ng@mail.gmail.com>
	<20131121100550.3f6b9f51@cygnus>
Message-ID: <CAHiT=DH2zo4z4U6Qjp0-wawr392zvJFm5ewi2RVeoiY3OdbXUQ@mail.gmail.com>

But remember those quirks:

1. hashes can only hold strings as key (on the left side), so
everything is stringified. subs as hash keys should use the ref to be
unique.

2. namespaces are called stashes ("symbol table hash") and are hashes.
%main::, %main::mypkg::, ...
methods in objects also (subs in the namespace), and mostly even
object values - in slow objects. but you are free to define a
different object value layout, such as arrays.

3. it's pretty hard to protect hashes and hash values by setting them
to readonly. You may want to have readonly packages (stashes) or
objects to be able to get compile-time warnings when you access the
wrong method.

So why is this dangerous?
local ${"$var\::"};


On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 10:05 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> On Thu, 21 Nov 2013 08:25:27 -0600
> "B. Estrade" <estrabd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Wade.
>>
>> I tend to use hashes as a "go to" way to trade time complexity for
>> memory, taking advantage of the "O(1)" look up the hash provides.
>>
>> For example, if I have a complex data structure that will require some
>> iterating to get various bits of information, I will store it in 2 or
>> more ways that provide the look up in more efficient ways. I guess
>> it'd be like a poor man's heap structure. There is overhead in
>> maintaining more than one version of a data object, but if you're
>> needing to optimize for speed and can spare the memory, this is a
>> legitimate thing to do.
>
> I've found this very useful with hierarchical data as well. A
> multidimensional hash as the main data structure and (sometimes) a
> couple more for other slices through the data.
>
>> Another way I will use a hash is to replace a longish if/elsif/else
>> block with a hash based dispatch table.  This eliminate the need for
>> any conditional chaining and allows the proper subroutine of code
>> (that would otherwise be branched into if a condition was met) to be
>> executed immediately. Not only is this much more efficient (O(1)
>> branching versus O(n), where n is the number of conditionals to
>> test), but is makes for much cleaner and easier to read code.
>
> Dispatch tables are one of my favorite uses of hashes. As long as you
> don't use too many anonymous subs (or more importantly too complex
> anonymous subs) in the table, it's definitely easier to read.
>
>> In general, hashes in Perl (due to the fact that the key can point to
>> literally anything) are a really nice tools not just for creating
>> complex data structures, but for optimizing your code on a fairly
>> high level.
>
> Agreed.
>
> The reason I pointed to the article is that it sometimes takes a while
> to realize how many advantages you gain with careful uses of a hash or
> two. More junior Perl programmers need to see.
>
> G. Wade
>
>> Brett
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 8:13 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I know that everyone who has been programming in Perl for a while
>> > will be aware of this, but some of our members may not have done
>> > this.
>> >
>> > http://perlmaven.com/count-words-in-text-using-perl
>> >
>> > Gabor does a good job of setting up a simple problem and explaining
>> > it well. I have used variations of this code more times than I can
>> > count.
>> >
>> > He really does not go into using regular expressions to extract
>> > other things besides just words (e.g. IP addresses, telephone
>> > numbers), which is fine because he is focusing on the counting
>> > technique.
>> >
>> > There are also a number of things you can do with this hash when you
>> > are finished. The reports he shows are pretty straight-forward, but
>> > graphing the output is not incredibly hard if that's what you need.
>> >
>> > G. Wade
>> > --
>> > DON'T PANIC! I'm a trained professional, and far more qualified to
>> > panic in this situation than you are.
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>
>
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From toddr at cpanel.net  Fri Nov 22 08:34:00 2013
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:34:00 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] mail processing after download
In-Reply-To: <50894.216.230.236.160.1385049129.squirrel@www.oplink.net>
References: <50894.216.230.236.160.1385049129.squirrel@www.oplink.net>
Message-ID: <2862BE89-1C1F-4880-AC51-4988D1152D80@cpanel.net>


On Nov 21, 2013, at 9:52 AM, rlharris at oplink.net wrote:

> Regrettably, I have about a gigabyte of unread mail on the pop3 server
> of my isp.  I do not wish to lose these messages.  I would like to
> download this backlog of messages to my desktop machine, and sort
> through them over the holidays.
> 
> Also, I question whether the pop3 server allows such a large volume of
> mail to be downloaded in a single batch.  But getmail has a download
> limit feature which permits downloading messages in small batches.
> 
> In sorting through the backlog of mail, I would like to use a
> combination of maildrop and a spam filter such as bmf.  I am running
> Debian Linux.
> 
> I know how to use getmail to download mail to a maildir or mbox on the
> desktop.  But I do NOT know how to pull messages one at a time from a
> maildir or mbox on the desktop and feed them to a delivery agent such
> as maildrop.  I would prefer to use maildir rather than mbox.
> 
> Would the Perl module Mail::Maildir be the proper choice for this
> task?

Your real problem is you?re using pop3. If I remember correctly, pop3 requires the server parse the entire file in order to send you the data. Can?t you just fire up thunderbird or something and suck down and delete the data from the server? 

Todd

From rlharris at oplink.net  Fri Nov 22 08:34:13 2013
From: rlharris at oplink.net (rlharris at oplink.net)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:34:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [pm-h] is cross-posting a sin?
Message-ID: <59813.216.230.236.160.1385138053.squirrel@www.oplink.net>

There have been no responses to my posting of a day or two ago, regarding
downloading a mail backlog from a POP3 server to a single maildir on my
desktop computer.

I would like to read and sort the messages off-line, but I do not know
enough Perl to retrieve messages one at a time from a maildir.  And my
understanding of mail protocols is imperfect:
Would such a download destroy information (such as message numbers, which
can be used to cull duplicate messages) vital to subsequent sorting of
messages?

Would it be poor etiquette to post the same inquiry to the PerlMonks web
site?

RLH



From gwadej at anomaly.org  Fri Nov 22 08:46:22 2013
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:46:22 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] is cross-posting a sin?
In-Reply-To: <59813.216.230.236.160.1385138053.squirrel@www.oplink.net>
References: <59813.216.230.236.160.1385138053.squirrel@www.oplink.net>
Message-ID: <20131122104622.6e2fbf70@cygnus>

On Fri, 22 Nov 2013 10:34:13 -0600 (CST)
rlharris at oplink.net wrote:

> There have been no responses to my posting of a day or two ago,
> regarding downloading a mail backlog from a POP3 server to a single
> maildir on my desktop computer.

The issue may be lack of knowledge in this particular area. While I've
done similar work on deleting large quantities of email (or large email
messages), I've never needed to do what you describe.

> I would like to read and sort the messages off-line, but I do not know
> enough Perl to retrieve messages one at a time from a maildir.  And my
> understanding of mail protocols is imperfect:
> Would such a download destroy information (such as message numbers,
> which can be used to cull duplicate messages) vital to subsequent
> sorting of messages?
> 
> Would it be poor etiquette to post the same inquiry to the PerlMonks
> web site?

I would definitely hit PerlMonks with this question. More expertise is
likely to generate a quick answer.

G. Wade


> RLH
> 
> 
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From rlharris at oplink.net  Fri Nov 22 09:10:47 2013
From: rlharris at oplink.net (rlharris at oplink.net)
Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 11:10:47 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [pm-h] mail processing after download
In-Reply-To: <2862BE89-1C1F-4880-AC51-4988D1152D80@cpanel.net>
References: <50894.216.230.236.160.1385049129.squirrel@www.oplink.net>
	<2862BE89-1C1F-4880-AC51-4988D1152D80@cpanel.net>
Message-ID: <59841.216.230.236.160.1385140247.squirrel@www.oplink.net>

On Fri, November 22, 2013 10:34 am "Todd Rinaldo" <toddr at cpanel.net> replied:
>
> On Nov 21, 2013, at 9:52 AM, rlharris at oplink.net wrote:
>
>> Regrettably, I have about a gigabyte of unread mail on the pop3 server
>> of my isp.  I do not wish to lose these messages.  I would like to
>> download this backlog of messages to my desktop machine, and sort
>> through them over the holidays.
>
> Your real problem is you're using pop3. If I remember correctly, pop3
> requires the server parse the entire file in order to send you the data.
> Can't you just fire up thunderbird or something and suck down and delete
> the data from the server?

Todd, I do not understand your point.  I have been using getmail to
download mail from the POP3 server of this ISP until a few months ago.
The only thing which changed is that, for several months now, I have
not been downloading mail.

And I do on occasion use Thunderbird.  But how would downloading with
Thunderbird differ from downloading with getmail?  getmail is
perfectly willing to download all of the messages from the server; but
with getmail it is possible to limit the number of messages downloaded
in a single session.

My primary concern is that the download does not destroy data such as
message numbers, which might be useful in culling out duplicate
messages.

P.S. The ISP offers both IMAP and POP3, but I know nothing about IMAP.

Russell



From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Nov 24 09:48:26 2013
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 11:48:26 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] December Meeting topic
Message-ID: <20131124114826.250c7f46@cygnus>

It's that time again.

I've had a couple of possible topics for December, but I'm still
looking for someone to commit to a presentation.

Does someone want to volunteer for December (12/09), or do we want to do
a social meeting?

G. Wade
-- 
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a
system of government.

From toddr at cpanel.net  Tue Nov 26 08:02:02 2013
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:02:02 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] December Meeting topic
In-Reply-To: <20131124114826.250c7f46@cygnus>
References: <20131124114826.250c7f46@cygnus>
Message-ID: <EF15421C-6D2C-4A92-B707-6F0F684EBF48@cpanel.net>


On Nov 24, 2013, at 11:48 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:

> It's that time again.
> 
> I've had a couple of possible topics for December, but I'm still
> looking for someone to commit to a presentation.
> 
> Does someone want to volunteer for December (12/09), or do we want to do
> a social meeting?
> 

I?m ok with a social. For those of you aged perl monger attendees, I was amused to find out there?s a bennigans opening up on Whestheimer.

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Nov 26 09:33:06 2013
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 11:33:06 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] December Meeting topic
In-Reply-To: <EF15421C-6D2C-4A92-B707-6F0F684EBF48@cpanel.net>
References: <20131124114826.250c7f46@cygnus>
	<EF15421C-6D2C-4A92-B707-6F0F684EBF48@cpanel.net>
Message-ID: <20131126113306.721d8730@cygnus>

On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:02:02 -0600
Todd Rinaldo <toddr at cpanel.net> wrote:

> 
> On Nov 24, 2013, at 11:48 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>
> wrote:
> 
> > It's that time again.
> > 
> > I've had a couple of possible topics for December, but I'm still
> > looking for someone to commit to a presentation.
> > 
> > Does someone want to volunteer for December (12/09), or do we want
> > to do a social meeting?
> > 
> 
> I?m ok with a social. For those of you aged perl monger attendees, I
> was amused to find out there?s a bennigans opening up on Whestheimer.

Any other opinions?

Wow. Bennigan's. That's been a while.

G. Wade
-- 
A tautology is a thing which is tautological.

From druthb at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 09:37:10 2013
From: druthb at gmail.com (D Ruth Bavousett)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 11:37:10 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] December Meeting topic
In-Reply-To: <20131126113306.721d8730@cygnus>
References: <20131124114826.250c7f46@cygnus>
	<EF15421C-6D2C-4A92-B707-6F0F684EBF48@cpanel.net>
	<20131126113306.721d8730@cygnus>
Message-ID: <CAENjnDwJb0mLVas4mUK2j8OBoPQXEk=NfQGES3i=cCm80TcPxQ@mail.gmail.com>

I concur with Todd--a social would be fine with me, and it even looks like
I'll be able to be there!

--DRB



On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 11:33 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:02:02 -0600
> Todd Rinaldo <toddr at cpanel.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > On Nov 24, 2013, at 11:48 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It's that time again.
> > >
> > > I've had a couple of possible topics for December, but I'm still
> > > looking for someone to commit to a presentation.
> > >
> > > Does someone want to volunteer for December (12/09), or do we want
> > > to do a social meeting?
> > >
> >
> > I?m ok with a social. For those of you aged perl monger attendees, I
> > was amused to find out there?s a bennigans opening up on Whestheimer.
>
> Any other opinions?
>
> Wow. Bennigan's. That's been a while.
>
> G. Wade
> --
> A tautology is a thing which is tautological.
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From flbaker at sbcglobal.net  Tue Nov 26 11:51:58 2013
From: flbaker at sbcglobal.net (Fraser Baker)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:51:58 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] December Meeting topic
In-Reply-To: <EF15421C-6D2C-4A92-B707-6F0F684EBF48@cpanel.net>
References: <20131124114826.250c7f46@cygnus>
	<EF15421C-6D2C-4A92-B707-6F0F684EBF48@cpanel.net>
Message-ID: <2338F3BF9DF645528E556D66F1086176@CHEETAH>

What has being an "aged Perl monger" got to do with Bennigans? Am I missing 
something?

Fraser

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd Rinaldo" <toddr at cpanel.net>
To: "Houston. pm located in Houston TX." <houston at pm.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: [pm-h] December Meeting topic



On Nov 24, 2013, at 11:48 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:

> It's that time again.
>
> I've had a couple of possible topics for December, but I'm still
> looking for someone to commit to a presentation.
>
> Does someone want to volunteer for December (12/09), or do we want to do
> a social meeting?
>

I?m ok with a social. For those of you aged perl monger attendees, I was 
amused to find out there?s a bennigans opening up on Whestheimer.
_______________________________________________
Houston mailing list
Houston at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
Website: http://houston.pm.org/ 


From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Nov 26 12:00:04 2013
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 14:00:04 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] December Meeting topic
In-Reply-To: <2338F3BF9DF645528E556D66F1086176@CHEETAH>
References: <20131124114826.250c7f46@cygnus>
	<EF15421C-6D2C-4A92-B707-6F0F684EBF48@cpanel.net>
	<2338F3BF9DF645528E556D66F1086176@CHEETAH>
Message-ID: <20131126140004.6ee2ee86@cygnus>

On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:51:58 -0600
"Fraser Baker" <flbaker at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> What has being an "aged Perl monger" got to do with Bennigans? Am I
> missing something?

Our social meetings used to be held consistently at the Bennigan's on
59. Then, the whole company disappeared.

G. Wade

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Todd Rinaldo" <toddr at cpanel.net>
> To: "Houston. pm located in Houston TX." <houston at pm.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [pm-h] December Meeting topic
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 24, 2013, at 11:48 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>
> wrote:
> 
> > It's that time again.
> >
> > I've had a couple of possible topics for December, but I'm still
> > looking for someone to commit to a presentation.
> >
> > Does someone want to volunteer for December (12/09), or do we want
> > to do a social meeting?
> >
> 
> I?m ok with a social. For those of you aged perl monger attendees, I
> was amused to find out there?s a bennigans opening up on Whestheimer.
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/ 
> 
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> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Wed Nov 27 06:33:08 2013
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 08:33:08 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Improving beginning code
Message-ID: <20131127083308.03af7de8@cygnus>

Although many of us know these suggestions (and the times when you
might ignore them), some less experienced programmers might benefit from

http://perlmaven.com/how-to-improve-my-perl-program

G. Wade
-- 
In any sufficiently large group of people, most are idiots.
                                                        -- Kaa's Law

From toddr at cpanel.net  Wed Nov 27 21:14:23 2013
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 23:14:23 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] December Meeting topic
In-Reply-To: <20131126140004.6ee2ee86@cygnus>
References: <20131124114826.250c7f46@cygnus>
	<EF15421C-6D2C-4A92-B707-6F0F684EBF48@cpanel.net>
	<2338F3BF9DF645528E556D66F1086176@CHEETAH>
	<20131126140004.6ee2ee86@cygnus>
Message-ID: <BEB1E0BF-8761-4BBA-AA5F-9E533FEFA6C1@cpanel.net>


On Nov 26, 2013, at 2:00 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:51:58 -0600
> "Fraser Baker" <flbaker at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>> What has being an "aged Perl monger" got to do with Bennigans? Am I
>> missing something?
> 
> Our social meetings used to be held consistently at the Bennigan's on
> 59. Then, the whole company disappeared.

I just checked Wikipedia. Looks like Bennigan?s filed for bankruptcy a couple of years ago. Some company bought them out and is re-opening locations.