From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Feb  2 05:23:58 2012
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 07:23:58 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] February Technical Meeting
Message-ID: <20120202072358.2e7e00fe@cygnus>

Our next Houston.pm meeting is on Thursday, Feb 9 at the 3131 W.
Alabama location, as usual.

We will meet in the lobby on the parking level between 6:40 and 7pm and
go up to the meeting from there. The presentation starts around 7pm.

This month, Mark Allen will present "DistZilla from one newb to another"

We look forward to seeing you all there.
G. Wade
-- 
Trying to outsmart a compiler defeats much of the purpose of using one.
                                 -- Brian Kernighan and P.J. Plauger

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Feb  2 17:45:35 2012
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 19:45:35 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Google+ page
Message-ID: <20120202194535.3b024ffa@cygnus>

Because I'm not currently overwhelmed enough with places to keep up
with Houston.pm, I just added a Google+ page: +Houston.pm.

Not much content, but enjoy.
G. Wade
-- 
Always hold a grudge. Keeps the memory sharp. -- Hagar the Horrible

From will.willis at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 10:38:47 2012
From: will.willis at gmail.com (Will Willis)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:38:47 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Google+ page
In-Reply-To: <20120202194535.3b024ffa@cygnus>
References: <20120202194535.3b024ffa@cygnus>
Message-ID: <CAFT=-5rdZSTT8872-oGaLgPAfz9ShBjqyw0UwY-3m7X6ENY=jw@mail.gmail.com>

About once a year the topic of virtual attendance comes up.. We have tried
several solutions, but none of them really caught on. (Perhaps because
there just wasn't enough need or interest..) A hangout just might be a good
solution for this. I have 0 experience with hangouts, but understand you
can toggle back and forth between desktop and web cam. it could be
interesting..


Will



On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 7:45 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:

> Because I'm not currently overwhelmed enough with places to keep up
> with Houston.pm, I just added a Google+ page: +Houston.pm.
>
> Not much content, but enjoy.
> G. Wade
> --
> Always hold a grudge. Keeps the memory sharp. -- Hagar the Horrible
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
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From matt at cpanel.net  Fri Feb  3 11:08:27 2012
From: matt at cpanel.net (Matthew Dees)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 13:08:27 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Google+ page
In-Reply-To: <CAFT=-5rdZSTT8872-oGaLgPAfz9ShBjqyw0UwY-3m7X6ENY=jw@mail.gmail.com>
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+1 for the hangout idea.

I'm sure we could find a decent webcam to broadcast presentations with.

On Feb 3, 2012, at 12:38 PM, Will Willis wrote:

> About once a year the topic of virtual attendance comes up.. We have tried several solutions, but none of them really caught on. (Perhaps because there just wasn't enough need or interest..) A hangout just might be a good solution for this. I have 0 experience with hangouts, but understand you can toggle back and forth between desktop and web cam. it could be interesting..
> 
> 
> Will
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 7:45 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> Because I'm not currently overwhelmed enough with places to keep up
> with Houston.pm, I just added a Google+ page: +Houston.pm.
> 
> Not much content, but enjoy.
> G. Wade
> --
> Always hold a grudge. Keeps the memory sharp. -- Hagar the Horrible
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/

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From robo4288 at gmail.com  Fri Feb  3 14:02:43 2012
From: robo4288 at gmail.com (Robert Boone)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 16:02:43 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Google+ page
In-Reply-To: <CAFT=-5rdZSTT8872-oGaLgPAfz9ShBjqyw0UwY-3m7X6ENY=jw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120202194535.3b024ffa@cygnus>
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Message-ID: <CAMfOf2S07+EZtXWx8r3zKMmxnF3sEBU0H5_yTTJ0oHDhkMMEug@mail.gmail.com>

+1

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:38 PM, Will Willis <will.willis at gmail.com> wrote:
> About once a year the topic of virtual attendance comes up.. We have tried
> several solutions, but none of them really caught on. (Perhaps because there
> just wasn't enough need or interest..) A hangout just might be a good
> solution for this. I have 0 experience with hangouts, but understand you can
> toggle back and forth between desktop and web cam. it could be interesting..
>
>
> Will
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 7:45 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
>>
>> Because I'm not currently overwhelmed enough with places to keep up
>> with Houston.pm, I just added a Google+ page: +Houston.pm.
>>
>> Not much content, but enjoy.
>> G. Wade
>> --
>> Always hold a grudge. Keeps the memory sharp. -- Hagar the Horrible
>> _______________________________________________
>> Houston mailing list
>> Houston at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Fri Feb  3 15:49:47 2012
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 17:49:47 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Google+ page
In-Reply-To: <CAFT=-5rdZSTT8872-oGaLgPAfz9ShBjqyw0UwY-3m7X6ENY=jw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120202194535.3b024ffa@cygnus>
	<CAFT=-5rdZSTT8872-oGaLgPAfz9ShBjqyw0UwY-3m7X6ENY=jw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120203174947.1b76396d@cygnus>

On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:38:47 -0600
Will Willis <will.willis at gmail.com> wrote:

> About once a year the topic of virtual attendance comes up.. We have
> tried several solutions, but none of them really caught on. (Perhaps
> because there just wasn't enough need or interest..) A hangout just
> might be a good solution for this. I have 0 experience with hangouts,
> but understand you can toggle back and forth between desktop and web
> cam. it could be interesting..

I'm working up a test of the hangout feature for another (less
critical) project. If I can get the time, I may have some experience
for this soon.

G. Wade
-- 
Rule of thumb: if you think something is clever and sophisticated,
beware: it is probably self-indulgence.                -- Donald Norman

From todd at rinaldo.us  Fri Feb  3 21:17:01 2012
From: todd at rinaldo.us (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 23:17:01 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Google+ page
In-Reply-To: <20120203174947.1b76396d@cygnus>
References: <20120202194535.3b024ffa@cygnus>
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Message-ID: <CAG8vyGHnsbEPA_21MamvmrFLTuA1k+-wB-3RR4=d7tdX_N2Jqw@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:49 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Feb 2012 12:38:47 -0600
> Will Willis <will.willis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> About once a year the topic of virtual attendance comes up.. We have
>> tried several solutions, but none of them really caught on. (Perhaps
>> because there just wasn't enough need or interest..) A hangout just
>> might be a good solution for this. I have 0 experience with hangouts,
>> but understand you can toggle back and forth between desktop and web
>> cam. it could be interesting..
>
> I'm working up a test of the hangout feature for another (less
> critical) project. If I can get the time, I may have some experience
> for this soon.

I use hangouts often. It works well and would work well for our
meetings. The important thing would be to get a camera with a built in
mic for the room. I have one at my desk I can use. As best I can tell,
Google plus is the best group hangout tool that is cross platform
(mac, windows, linux). There is a limit of 15 minutes per hangout. It
just means you have to re-start. It's not a big deal.

What other questions do you guys have about it? Do we have any out of
city takers for the 9th?

From mikeflan at att.net  Sat Feb  4 05:08:48 2012
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 07:08:48 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Google+ page
In-Reply-To: <CAG8vyGHnsbEPA_21MamvmrFLTuA1k+-wB-3RR4=d7tdX_N2Jqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120202194535.3b024ffa@cygnus>
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	<20120203174947.1b76396d@cygnus>
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Message-ID: <4F2D2DE0.8040205@att.net>



On 2/3/2012 11:17 PM, Todd Rinaldo wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:49 PM, G. Wade Johnson<gwadej at anomaly.org>  wrote:
>
> I use hangouts often. It works well and would work well for our
> meetings. The important thing would be to get a camera with a built in
> mic for the room. I have one at my desk I can use. As best I can tell,
> Google plus is the best group hangout tool that is cross platform
> (mac, windows, linux). There is a limit of 15 minutes per hangout. It
> just means you have to re-start. It's not a big deal.
>
> What other questions do you guys have about it? Do we have any out of
> city takers for the 9th?


I would like to try it.  I see the meeting notice on
Google+ and will plan to hit that hangout button on the
9th.


Mike Flannigan




From sisk at mojotoad.com  Sat Feb  4 07:14:52 2012
From: sisk at mojotoad.com (Matt Sisk)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:14:52 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Google+ page
In-Reply-To: <4F2D2DE0.8040205@att.net>
References: <20120202194535.3b024ffa@cygnus>
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	<4F2D2DE0.8040205@att.net>
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Why in the workd is there a 15 minute limit? How odd. 

From sisk at mojotoad.com  Sat Feb  4 07:14:52 2012
From: sisk at mojotoad.com (Matt Sisk)
Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:14:52 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Google+ page
In-Reply-To: <4F2D2DE0.8040205@att.net>
References: <20120202194535.3b024ffa@cygnus>
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	<CAG8vyGHnsbEPA_21MamvmrFLTuA1k+-wB-3RR4=d7tdX_N2Jqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F2D2DE0.8040205@att.net>
Message-ID: <e837393f-b48e-4d45-b7ed-fc09e6e4c0b9@email.android.com>

Why in the workd is there a 15 minute limit? How odd. 

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sat Feb  4 15:19:28 2012
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 17:19:28 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Google+ page
In-Reply-To: <e837393f-b48e-4d45-b7ed-fc09e6e4c0b9@email.android.com>
References: <20120202194535.3b024ffa@cygnus>
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	<20120203174947.1b76396d@cygnus>
	<CAG8vyGHnsbEPA_21MamvmrFLTuA1k+-wB-3RR4=d7tdX_N2Jqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F2D2DE0.8040205@att.net>
	<e837393f-b48e-4d45-b7ed-fc09e6e4c0b9@email.android.com>
Message-ID: <20120204171928.4ed5b3bc@cygnus>

On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:14:52 -0500
Matt Sisk <sisk at mojotoad.com> wrote:

> Why in the workd is there a 15 minute limit? How odd. 

I ran a test this morning and we shut down after 40 minutes. It never
cut us off.

G. Wade
-- 
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.
                            -- Obi-Wan Kenobi, "Revenge of the Sith"

From rurban at x-ray.at  Sat Feb  4 16:05:10 2012
From: rurban at x-ray.at (Reini Urban)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 18:05:10 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Google+ page
In-Reply-To: <20120204171928.4ed5b3bc@cygnus>
References: <20120202194535.3b024ffa@cygnus>
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On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 5:19 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:14:52 -0500
> Matt Sisk <sisk at mojotoad.com> wrote:
>
>> Why in the workd is there a 15 minute limit? How odd.
>
> I ran a test this morning and we shut down after 40 minutes. It never
> cut us off.

I'm also chatting with my fiancee in europe for hours.
I guess the limit is only enforced when there are >2 partners in the hangout.
-- 
Reini Urban
http://cpanel.net/ ? http://www.perl-compiler.org/

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sat Feb  4 17:11:17 2012
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:11:17 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Google+ page
In-Reply-To: <CAHiT=DGZ6RoeP+yuYwCnCK3R28xckvESp=Ws=LdDBo82MS8xjg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120202194535.3b024ffa@cygnus>
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	<4F2D2DE0.8040205@att.net>
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Message-ID: <20120204191117.61dc3bfc@cygnus>

On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 18:05:10 -0600
Reini Urban <rurban at x-ray.at> wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 5:19 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>
> wrote:
> > On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:14:52 -0500
> > Matt Sisk <sisk at mojotoad.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Why in the workd is there a 15 minute limit? How odd.
> >
> > I ran a test this morning and we shut down after 40 minutes. It
> > never cut us off.
> 
> I'm also chatting with my fiancee in europe for hours.
> I guess the limit is only enforced when there are >2 partners in the
> hangout.

Sounds like a need for more experimentation. I had 3 of us for most of
the time and 4 for part of it.

G. Wade
-- 
We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters
will eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the
Internet, we know this is not true.         -- Robert Wilensky, UCB

From rasto at cm4msaa7.com  Sat Feb  4 17:22:39 2012
From: rasto at cm4msaa7.com (lee latham)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:22:39 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Google+ page
In-Reply-To: <20120204191117.61dc3bfc@cygnus>
References: <20120202194535.3b024ffa@cygnus>
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I like how it doesn't even occur to anyone in this group to check the docs. ;-)

At the risk of causing offense and righteous fury, here's a link to
the instructions:

http://support.google.com/plus/bin/static.py?hl=en&page=guide.cs&guide=1257349

Only thing I see that may be an issue is a limit of 10 people at any one time.

lee

> Sounds like a need for more experimentation. I had 3 of us for most of
> the time and 4 for part of it.

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sat Feb  4 19:08:13 2012
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 21:08:13 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Google+ page
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On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:22:39 -0600
lee latham <rasto at cm4msaa7.com> wrote:

> I like how it doesn't even occur to anyone in this group to check the
> docs. ;-)
> 
> At the risk of causing offense and righteous fury, here's a link to
> the instructions:
> 
> http://support.google.com/plus/bin/static.py?hl=en&page=guide.cs&guide=1257349
> 
> Only thing I see that may be an issue is a limit of 10 people at any
> one time.

I remembered the 10 person limit from the docs. But, I didn't remember
anything about a time limit. <grin>So, (despite reading the
docs<thpppt/>) the only way I could think of to verify Todd's assertion
was through testing.</grin>

Thanks for the link, though. I had forgotten where I read that.

G. Wade
-- 
Perl isn't really about safety. It's about getting where you're going,
and enjoying the trip. It's more important to be a good driver than to
have seven feet of sponge rubber all around your car.      -- Larry Wall

From rasto at cm4msaa7.com  Sat Feb  4 19:55:05 2012
From: rasto at cm4msaa7.com (lee latham)
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 21:55:05 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Google+ page
In-Reply-To: <20120204210813.0e37b08f@cygnus>
References: <20120202194535.3b024ffa@cygnus>
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lol i'm disappointed!

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 9:08 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 4 Feb 2012 19:22:39 -0600
> lee latham <rasto at cm4msaa7.com> wrote:
>
>> I like how it doesn't even occur to anyone in this group to check the
>> docs. ;-)
>>
>> At the risk of causing offense and righteous fury, here's a link to
>> the instructions:
>>
>> http://support.google.com/plus/bin/static.py?hl=en&page=guide.cs&guide=1257349
>>
>> Only thing I see that may be an issue is a limit of 10 people at any
>> one time.
>
> I remembered the 10 person limit from the docs. But, I didn't remember
> anything about a time limit. <grin>So, (despite reading the
> docs<thpppt/>) the only way I could think of to verify Todd's assertion
> was through testing.</grin>
>
> Thanks for the link, though. I had forgotten where I read that.
>
> G. Wade
> --
> Perl isn't really about safety. It's about getting where you're going,
> and enjoying the trip. It's more important to be a good driver than to
> have seven feet of sponge rubber all around your car. ? ? ?-- Larry Wall
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/

From todd at rinaldo.us  Sun Feb  5 02:22:07 2012
From: todd at rinaldo.us (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 04:22:07 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Google+ page
In-Reply-To: <4F2D2DE0.8040205@att.net>
References: <20120202194535.3b024ffa@cygnus>
	<CAFT=-5rdZSTT8872-oGaLgPAfz9ShBjqyw0UwY-3m7X6ENY=jw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120203174947.1b76396d@cygnus>
	<CAG8vyGHnsbEPA_21MamvmrFLTuA1k+-wB-3RR4=d7tdX_N2Jqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F2D2DE0.8040205@att.net>
Message-ID: <CAG8vyGHr=ZNKVBKDHknH91NN3=gfC7Jc9NkTtp7jWCzK156qvw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 7:08 AM, Mike Flannigan <mikeflan at att.net> wrote:
>
>
> On 2/3/2012 11:17 PM, Todd Rinaldo wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:49 PM, G. Wade Johnson<gwadej at anomaly.org>
>> ?wrote:
>>
>> I use hangouts often. It works well and would work well for our
>> meetings. The important thing would be to get a camera with a built in
>> mic for the room. I have one at my desk I can use. As best I can tell,
>> Google plus is the best group hangout tool that is cross platform
>> (mac, windows, linux). There is a limit of 15 minutes per hangout. It
>> just means you have to re-start. It's not a big deal.
>>
>> What other questions do you guys have about it? Do we have any out of
>> city takers for the 9th?
>
>
>
> I would like to try it. ?I see the meeting notice on
> Google+ and will plan to hit that hangout button on the
> 9th.
>


Actually that's the button we'll hit to open the chat. In the stream
for that group, you'll notice that a hangout is going on. A link will
be provided for you to join.

From todd at rinaldo.us  Sun Feb  5 02:23:32 2012
From: todd at rinaldo.us (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2012 04:23:32 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Google+ page
In-Reply-To: <20120204171928.4ed5b3bc@cygnus>
References: <20120202194535.3b024ffa@cygnus>
	<CAFT=-5rdZSTT8872-oGaLgPAfz9ShBjqyw0UwY-3m7X6ENY=jw@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120203174947.1b76396d@cygnus>
	<CAG8vyGHnsbEPA_21MamvmrFLTuA1k+-wB-3RR4=d7tdX_N2Jqw@mail.gmail.com>
	<4F2D2DE0.8040205@att.net>
	<e837393f-b48e-4d45-b7ed-fc09e6e4c0b9@email.android.com>
	<20120204171928.4ed5b3bc@cygnus>
Message-ID: <CAG8vyGFF5+UkMitr=Rp2gPCpNLxtxnbmNSGGrvNRY7UvVr1Khg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 5:19 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Feb 2012 10:14:52 -0500
> Matt Sisk <sisk at mojotoad.com> wrote:
>
>> Why in the workd is there a 15 minute limit? How odd.
>
> I ran a test this morning and we shut down after 40 minutes. It never
> cut us off.
>

I got on + very early. This must have been a limitation during the beta.

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Feb  7 05:33:05 2012
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 07:33:05 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] February Houston.pm meeting
Message-ID: <20120207073305.7f0de097@cygnus>

The next meeting is this Thursday starting at 7pm, at 3131 W. Alabama
St.

Mark Allen will present "DistZilla from one newb to another".

Hope to see you there.
G. Wade
-- 
Perl's payment curve coincides with its learning curve.
                                                      -- GrandFather

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Wed Feb  8 05:21:28 2012
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 07:21:28 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Nobody is a good speaker when they start
Message-ID: <20120208072128.21a55d0a@cygnus>

Seen on Google+: brian d foy talks about becoming a good speaker.

http://blog.yapcna.org/post/17253936133/nobody-is-a-good-speaker-when-they-start

G. Wade
-- 
C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but
when you do, it blows away your whole leg.     -- Bjarne Stroustrup

From flbaker at sbcglobal.net  Wed Feb  8 05:58:28 2012
From: flbaker at sbcglobal.net (Fraser Baker)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 07:58:28 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Nobody is a good speaker when they start
In-Reply-To: <20120208072128.21a55d0a@cygnus>
References: <20120208072128.21a55d0a@cygnus>
Message-ID: <CE262CE229544BF78C34B7B893FCC621@CHEETAH>

Hi Lindyl:

On either menu, go to APOTHECARY > Products > Vendors.

Select the vendor.

On the Vendor's profile second from the bottom, you can add another product 
line.

Always glad to help..

Fraser

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org>
To: "Houston Perl Mongers" <houston at pm.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 7:21 AM
Subject: [pm-h] Nobody is a good speaker when they start


> Seen on Google+: brian d foy talks about becoming a good speaker.
>
> http://blog.yapcna.org/post/17253936133/nobody-is-a-good-speaker-when-they-start
>
> G. Wade
> -- 
> C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but
> when you do, it blows away your whole leg.     -- Bjarne Stroustrup
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/ 


From kevin.creason-1 at nasa.gov  Wed Feb  8 06:46:29 2012
From: kevin.creason-1 at nasa.gov (Creason, Kevin (JSC-OH230)[ARES])
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:46:29 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Nobody is a good speaker when they start
In-Reply-To: <CE262CE229544BF78C34B7B893FCC621@CHEETAH>
Message-ID: <CB57E6B0.2C16A%kevin.creason-1@nasa.gov>

drugs aren't the solution.


On 2/8/12 7:58 AM, "Fraser Baker" <flbaker at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Hi Lindyl:
>
>On either menu, go to APOTHECARY > Products > Vendors.
>
>Select the vendor.
>
>On the Vendor's profile second from the bottom, you can add another
>product 
>line.
>
>Always glad to help..
>
>Fraser
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org>
>To: "Houston Perl Mongers" <houston at pm.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 7:21 AM
>Subject: [pm-h] Nobody is a good speaker when they start
>
>
>> Seen on Google+: brian d foy talks about becoming a good speaker.
>>
>> 
>>http://blog.yapcna.org/post/17253936133/nobody-is-a-good-speaker-when-the
>>y-start
>>
>> G. Wade
>> -- 
>> C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but
>> when you do, it blows away your whole leg.     -- Bjarne Stroustrup
>> _______________________________________________
>> Houston mailing list
>> Houston at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
>_______________________________________________
>Houston mailing list
>Houston at pm.org
>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>Website: http://houston.pm.org/


From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  8 08:18:57 2012
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 08:18:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [pm-h] February Houston.pm meeting
In-Reply-To: <20120207073305.7f0de097@cygnus>
References: <20120207073305.7f0de097@cygnus>
Message-ID: <1328717937.92016.YahooMailNeo@web164608.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

If anyone wants to sneak a peek at the code I'll be talking about on Thursday (before it goes on CPAN), it's here:

https://github.com/mrallen1/Net-CronIO

It's a Perl binding for http://cron.io

Hope to see a lot of you!

Mark


________________________________
 From: G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>
To: Houston Perl Mongers <houston at pm.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 7:33 AM
Subject: [pm-h] February Houston.pm meeting
 
The next meeting is this Thursday starting at 7pm, at 3131 W. Alabama
St.

Mark Allen will present "DistZilla from one newb to another".

Hope to see you there.
G. Wade
-- 
Perl's payment curve coincides with its learning curve.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- GrandFather
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From mikeflan at att.net  Thu Feb  9 17:07:46 2012
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:07:46 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Hang Out
In-Reply-To: <20120208072128.21a55d0a@cygnus>
References: <20120208072128.21a55d0a@cygnus>
Message-ID: <4F346DE2.1000905@att.net>


So when is that Hangout thing going to start?


Mike
7:07 PM.



On 2/8/2012 7:21 AM, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
> Seen on Google+: brian d foy talks about becoming a good speaker.
>
> http://blog.yapcna.org/post/17253936133/nobody-is-a-good-speaker-when-they-start
>
> G. Wade

From mikeflan at att.net  Thu Feb  9 17:47:53 2012
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:47:53 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Hang Out
In-Reply-To: <4F346DE2.1000905@att.net>
References: <20120208072128.21a55d0a@cygnus> <4F346DE2.1000905@att.net>
Message-ID: <4F347749.2060202@att.net>


On 2/9/2012 7:07 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote:
>
> So when is that Hangout thing going to start?
>
>
> Mike
> 7:07 PM.
>

The meeting started about 20 minutes late, but the
Hangout thing worked really good right off the bat.
I like this feature.

Now could you have that dinner sent to my home :-)


Mike


From gwadej at anomaly.org  Fri Feb 10 05:23:01 2012
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 07:23:01 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Hang Out
In-Reply-To: <4F347749.2060202@att.net>
References: <20120208072128.21a55d0a@cygnus> <4F346DE2.1000905@att.net>
	<4F347749.2060202@att.net>
Message-ID: <20120210072301.2c1431ef@cygnus>

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 19:47:53 -0600
Mike Flannigan <mikeflan at att.net> wrote:

> 
> On 2/9/2012 7:07 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote:
> >
> > So when is that Hangout thing going to start?
> >
> >
> > Mike
> > 7:07 PM.
> >
> 
> The meeting started about 20 minutes late, but the
> Hangout thing worked really good right off the bat.
> I like this feature.

We had some technical difficulties with the projector and getting the
hangout plugin installed on the presenter's machine. But, they were
relatively minor.

Hangouts work surprisingly well in this situation.

> Now could you have that dinner sent to my home :-)

<grin/>

G. Wade
-- 
Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. 
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by
definition, not smart enough to debug it.     -- Brian W. Kernighan

From estrabd at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 07:06:16 2012
From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 09:06:16 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] PDL::ParallelCPU
Message-ID: <20120213150616.GZ70278@x2045.x.rootbsd.net>

This is exciting, and not just because Perl related advances are
getting noticed by many. I was pointed to this by a number of people I
know in the HPC field. It's also just plain cool as hell.

Now, the term "autoparallelization" is someone of a four letter word to me,
but PDL has made some major headway into the many-core platform race:

	http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Perl-Data-Language-gets-auto-parallelisation-1430053.html

PDL also has a book draft out, linked in TA. 

Brett

-- 
B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com>

From estrabd at gmail.com  Mon Feb 13 12:05:43 2012
From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 14:05:43 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] MITx 6.002
Message-ID: <20120213200543.GD70278@x2045.x.rootbsd.net>

MITx's first pilot course - if you're interested in circuits and
electronics - https://6002x.mitx.mit.edu/

It's supposed to be a first course in undergraduate EE, so it's
suitable for any high schooler with the interest in computers and
electronics. 

Brett

-- 
B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com>

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sat Feb 18 15:09:28 2012
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:09:28 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] March Technical Meeting Rescheduled
Message-ID: <20120218170928.57166d79@cygnus>

It looks like we are going to want to reschedule our March Houston.pm
meeting again. Once again, brian d foy will be in town the week of
March 19-23.

Unless there is major outcry, I suggest we reschedule for March 22.
brian has agreed to present for us again.

If there are any objections, let me know ASAP.
G. Wade
-- 
There are trivial truths and there are great Truths. The opposite of a
trival truth is obviously false. The opposite of a great Truth is also
true.                                                  -- Neils Bohr

From todd at rinaldo.us  Sat Feb 18 16:14:36 2012
From: todd at rinaldo.us (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 18:14:36 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] March Technical Meeting Rescheduled
In-Reply-To: <20120218170928.57166d79@cygnus>
References: <20120218170928.57166d79@cygnus>
Message-ID: <CAG8vyGFcGSCnUSgR8QXyniiW1_uYMr=4Z5rfDeTQ79WrtcTEtA@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 5:09 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> It looks like we are going to want to reschedule our March Houston.pm
> meeting again. Once again, brian d foy will be in town the week of
> March 19-23.
>
> Unless there is major outcry, I suggest we reschedule for March 22.
> brian has agreed to present for us again.
>

March 22 sounds good to me. Anyone have any specific topics they'd
like to hear?

Also, since Brian feels a .pm group is incomplete without libations, I
also suggest an after trip to a local watering hole. I've always
wanted to try the Velvet Melvin Pub

http://g.co/maps/58wdn

Todd

From rurban at x-ray.at  Sat Feb 18 18:45:59 2012
From: rurban at x-ray.at (Reini Urban)
Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 20:45:59 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] March Technical Meeting Rescheduled
In-Reply-To: <CAG8vyGFcGSCnUSgR8QXyniiW1_uYMr=4Z5rfDeTQ79WrtcTEtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20120218170928.57166d79@cygnus>
	<CAG8vyGFcGSCnUSgR8QXyniiW1_uYMr=4Z5rfDeTQ79WrtcTEtA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHiT=DG7xEPXx0N+mkMRGoYk+Smjyq7LhECgPK6Gor-ShkoJzg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 6:14 PM, Todd Rinaldo <todd at rinaldo.us> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 18, 2012 at 5:09 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
>> It looks like we are going to want to reschedule our March Houston.pm
>> meeting again. Once again, brian d foy will be in town the week of
>> March 19-23.
>>
>> Unless there is major outcry, I suggest we reschedule for March 22.
>> brian has agreed to present for us again.
>
> March 22 sounds good to me. Anyone have any specific topics they'd
> like to hear?

brian++
march22++
>
> Also, since Brian feels a .pm group is incomplete without libations, I
> also suggest an after trip to a local watering hole. I've always
> wanted to try the Velvet Melvin Pub

todd++
I love this place.
Totally weird girls there.
-- 
Reini Urban
http://cpanel.net/ ? http://www.perl-compiler.org/

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Feb 19 10:57:39 2012
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 12:57:39 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] February presentation notes
Message-ID: <20120219125739.0c6ff337@cygnus>

Notes for the February presentation are up on http://houston.pm.org/.

G. Wade
-- 
All things are possible, given enough time and caffeine.
                                                     -- Danny Hoover

From mikeflan at att.net  Sun Feb 19 12:51:57 2012
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 14:51:57 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] LWP::UserAgent
In-Reply-To: <20120219125739.0c6ff337@cygnus>
References: <20120219125739.0c6ff337@cygnus>
Message-ID: <4F4160ED.20005@att.net>


I've got a question for you guys.  Maybe an
easy question.

I want to download the file '02251_new_1923-0059.zip'
from the website:
https://spatialdata.iu.edu/DOQQS/state/sanborn/public/tif/1923/

The script below works (I think), but it outputs the
file to STDout.  I haven't tried yet, but I gather if
I print this to a filehandle I will not get the binary
zip file, but a text file instead.

What is the proper way to download the file to a binary
zip file using LWP::UserAgent and the Crypt-SSLeay module
I just obtained from University of Winnipeg?
http://johnbokma.com/perl/https.html



Mike



use warnings;
use strict;
use LWP::UserAgent;

my $url = 
'https://spatialdata.iu.edu/DOQQS/state/sanborn/public/tif/1923/02251_new_1923-0059.zip';

my $ua = LWP::UserAgent->new;
my $response = $ua->get( $url );

$response->is_success or die "Failed to GET '$url': ", 
$response->status_line;

print $response->as_string;


__END__


From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Feb 19 13:25:47 2012
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:25:47 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] LWP::UserAgent
In-Reply-To: <4F4160ED.20005@att.net>
References: <20120219125739.0c6ff337@cygnus>
	<4F4160ED.20005@att.net>
Message-ID: <20120219152547.65c4757f@cygnus>

On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 14:51:57 -0600
Mike Flannigan <mikeflan at att.net> wrote:

> 
> I've got a question for you guys.  Maybe an
> easy question.
> 
> I want to download the file '02251_new_1923-0059.zip'
> from the website:
> https://spatialdata.iu.edu/DOQQS/state/sanborn/public/tif/1923/
> 
> The script below works (I think), but it outputs the
> file to STDout.  I haven't tried yet, but I gather if
> I print this to a filehandle I will not get the binary
> zip file, but a text file instead.
> 
> What is the proper way to download the file to a binary
> zip file using LWP::UserAgent and the Crypt-SSLeay module
> I just obtained from University of Winnipeg?
> http://johnbokma.com/perl/https.html
> 
> 
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> use warnings;
> use strict;
> use LWP::UserAgent;
> 
> my $url = 
> 'https://spatialdata.iu.edu/DOQQS/state/sanborn/public/tif/1923/02251_new_1923-0059.zip';
> 
> my $ua = LWP::UserAgent->new;
> my $response = $ua->get( $url );
> 
> $response->is_success or die "Failed to GET '$url': ", 
> $response->status_line;
> 
> print $response->as_string;

LWP::UserAgent has a mirror() method that downloads directly to a file.

G. Wade
-- 
All things are possible, given enough time and caffeine.
                                                     -- Danny Hoover

From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 19 13:29:15 2012
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 15:29:15 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] LWP::UserAgent
In-Reply-To: <20120219152547.65c4757f@cygnus>
References: <20120219125739.0c6ff337@cygnus> <4F4160ED.20005@att.net>
	<20120219152547.65c4757f@cygnus>
Message-ID: <6585F3D9-3A8E-477A-90A6-ED82D2D7F3F2@yahoo.com>

Depending on how new your LWP is you'll need LWP::protocol::https too. It's decoupled as of version 6.

Also can check out lwp-request script that comes with LWP. It's a nice example.

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 19, 2012, at 3:25 PM, "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 14:51:57 -0600
> Mike Flannigan <mikeflan at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I've got a question for you guys.  Maybe an
>> easy question.
>> 
>> I want to download the file '02251_new_1923-0059.zip'
>> from the website:
>> https://spatialdata.iu.edu/DOQQS/state/sanborn/public/tif/1923/
>> 
>> The script below works (I think), but it outputs the
>> file to STDout.  I haven't tried yet, but I gather if
>> I print this to a filehandle I will not get the binary
>> zip file, but a text file instead.
>> 
>> What is the proper way to download the file to a binary
>> zip file using LWP::UserAgent and the Crypt-SSLeay module
>> I just obtained from University of Winnipeg?
>> http://johnbokma.com/perl/https.html
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Mike
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> use warnings;
>> use strict;
>> use LWP::UserAgent;
>> 
>> my $url = 
>> 'https://spatialdata.iu.edu/DOQQS/state/sanborn/public/tif/1923/02251_new_1923-0059.zip';
>> 
>> my $ua = LWP::UserAgent->new;
>> my $response = $ua->get( $url );
>> 
>> $response->is_success or die "Failed to GET '$url': ", 
>> $response->status_line;
>> 
>> print $response->as_string;
> 
> LWP::UserAgent has a mirror() method that downloads directly to a file.
> 
> G. Wade
> -- 
> All things are possible, given enough time and caffeine.
>                                                     -- Danny Hoover
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/

From rurban at x-ray.at  Sun Feb 19 16:12:36 2012
From: rurban at x-ray.at (Reini Urban)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 18:12:36 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] April Talk suggestion: perlall
Message-ID: <CAHiT=DF-g2hsbmN_vBoM3wUmxCvEK_RubSaOXmQFx5CXohTBXg@mail.gmail.com>

I have several talk topics, but I think App::perlall is good for April.

Introducing App::perlall, a better perlbrew and testing tool

perlall does something like perlbrew, creating perl's for various
versions and with various features
just the sane way. I.e. if possible it uses the Configure defaults and
does not need messing with
PATH and PERL5LIB and allows having several parallel global perls at once.

With all these perls - and more perls created like this in vm's - it
allows easy testing and
maintenance of your perls.
This way you don't rely on cpantesters to get back with reports on
crazy versions,
perl features or platforms, you test it by yourself before you upload
it to CPAN.

.e.g
cd Perl/MyModule
perlall maketest

does
for $p in /usr/local/bin/perl5*
  do
  make clean
  $p Makefile.PL # or Build.PL
  make
  make test | tee log.test-$(basename $p)
done

"perlall testvm" copies your perl module in cwd to all vm's and performs
"perlall maketest" there and copies the log files back.
"perlall do" runs commands for all your perls.

I describe my environment (kvm setup, building tricky perls esp. with
windows, ...)
and show several useful examples and utils, esp. with the logfiles, which are
like your private copy of cpantesters reports.
-- 
Reini Urban
http://cpanel.net/ ? http://www.perl-compiler.org/

From mikeflan at att.net  Sun Feb 19 16:43:44 2012
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 18:43:44 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] LWP::UserAgent
In-Reply-To: <20120219152547.65c4757f@cygnus>
References: <20120219125739.0c6ff337@cygnus> <4F4160ED.20005@att.net>
	<20120219152547.65c4757f@cygnus>
Message-ID: <4F419740.3030501@att.net>


On 2/19/2012 3:25 PM, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
> LWP::UserAgent has a mirror() method that downloads directly to a file.
>
> G. Wade


Thank you.  That is exactly what I was looking for.

It worked!  It worked!  I am so excited.


Mike


From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Feb 19 17:13:03 2012
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2012 19:13:03 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] April Talk suggestion: perlall
In-Reply-To: <CAHiT=DF-g2hsbmN_vBoM3wUmxCvEK_RubSaOXmQFx5CXohTBXg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHiT=DF-g2hsbmN_vBoM3wUmxCvEK_RubSaOXmQFx5CXohTBXg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20120219191303.1a3e5044@cygnus>

Thanks, Reini.

You're now on the schedule for April.

G. Wade

On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 18:12:36 -0600
Reini Urban <rurban at x-ray.at> wrote:

> I have several talk topics, but I think App::perlall is good for
> April.
> 
> Introducing App::perlall, a better perlbrew and testing tool
> 
> perlall does something like perlbrew, creating perl's for various
> versions and with various features
> just the sane way. I.e. if possible it uses the Configure defaults and
> does not need messing with
> PATH and PERL5LIB and allows having several parallel global perls at
> once.
> 
> With all these perls - and more perls created like this in vm's - it
> allows easy testing and
> maintenance of your perls.
> This way you don't rely on cpantesters to get back with reports on
> crazy versions,
> perl features or platforms, you test it by yourself before you upload
> it to CPAN.
> 
> .e.g
> cd Perl/MyModule
> perlall maketest
> 
> does
> for $p in /usr/local/bin/perl5*
>   do
>   make clean
>   $p Makefile.PL # or Build.PL
>   make
>   make test | tee log.test-$(basename $p)
> done
> 
> "perlall testvm" copies your perl module in cwd to all vm's and
> performs "perlall maketest" there and copies the log files back.
> "perlall do" runs commands for all your perls.
> 
> I describe my environment (kvm setup, building tricky perls esp. with
> windows, ...)
> and show several useful examples and utils, esp. with the logfiles,
> which are like your private copy of cpantesters reports.


-- 
There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the
other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
deficiencies. -- C. A. R. Hoare

From estrabd at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 07:31:00 2012
From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 09:31:00 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] April Talk suggestion: perlall
In-Reply-To: <20120219191303.1a3e5044@cygnus>
References: <CAHiT=DF-g2hsbmN_vBoM3wUmxCvEK_RubSaOXmQFx5CXohTBXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120219191303.1a3e5044@cygnus>
Message-ID: <20120220153100.GA70278@x2045.x.rootbsd.net>

On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 07:13:03PM -0600, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
> Thanks, Reini.
> 
> You're now on the schedule for April.

Sweet.

Helping Reini mature this tool would be a good project for Houston.pm.

Brett

> 
> G. Wade
> 
> On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 18:12:36 -0600
> Reini Urban <rurban at x-ray.at> wrote:
> 
>> I have several talk topics, but I think App::perlall is good for
>> April.
>> 
>> Introducing App::perlall, a better perlbrew and testing tool
>> 
>> perlall does something like perlbrew, creating perl's for various
>> versions and with various features
>> just the sane way. I.e. if possible it uses the Configure defaults and
>> does not need messing with
>> PATH and PERL5LIB and allows having several parallel global perls at
>> once.
>> 
>> With all these perls - and more perls created like this in vm's - it
>> allows easy testing and
>> maintenance of your perls.
>> This way you don't rely on cpantesters to get back with reports on
>> crazy versions,
>> perl features or platforms, you test it by yourself before you upload
>> it to CPAN.
>> 
>> .e.g
>> cd Perl/MyModule
>> perlall maketest
>> 
>> does
>> for $p in /usr/local/bin/perl5*
>>   do
>>   make clean
>>   $p Makefile.PL # or Build.PL
>>   make
>>   make test | tee log.test-$(basename $p)
>> done
>> 
>> "perlall testvm" copies your perl module in cwd to all vm's and
>> performs "perlall maketest" there and copies the log files back.
>> "perlall do" runs commands for all your perls.
>> 
>> I describe my environment (kvm setup, building tricky perls esp. with
>> windows, ...)
>> and show several useful examples and utils, esp. with the logfiles,
>> which are like your private copy of cpantesters reports.
> 
> 
> -- 
> There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
> make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the
> other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
> deficiencies. -- C. A. R. Hoare
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/

-- 
B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com>

From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Mon Feb 20 07:58:57 2012
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 07:58:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [pm-h] April Talk suggestion: perlall
In-Reply-To: <20120220153100.GA70278@x2045.x.rootbsd.net>
References: <CAHiT=DF-g2hsbmN_vBoM3wUmxCvEK_RubSaOXmQFx5CXohTBXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120219191303.1a3e5044@cygnus>
	<20120220153100.GA70278@x2045.x.rootbsd.net>
Message-ID: <1329753537.34356.YahooMailNeo@web164603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Speaking of projects... Wade, is there any update about the Cookbook refresh?

Sounds like a neat tool, though! ?Your own CPAN smoker on a single system.

Mark


________________________________
 From: B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com>
To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." <houston at pm.org> 
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: [pm-h] April Talk suggestion: perlall
 
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 07:13:03PM -0600, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
> Thanks, Reini.
> 
> You're now on the schedule for April.

Sweet.

Helping Reini mature this tool would be a good project for Houston.pm.

Brett

> 
> G. Wade
> 
> On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 18:12:36 -0600
> Reini Urban <rurban at x-ray.at> wrote:
> 
>> I have several talk topics, but I think App::perlall is good for
>> April.
>> 
>> Introducing App::perlall, a better perlbrew and testing tool
>> 
>> perlall does something like perlbrew, creating perl's for various
>> versions and with various features
>> just the sane way. I.e. if possible it uses the Configure defaults and
>> does not need messing with
>> PATH and PERL5LIB and allows having several parallel global perls at
>> once.
>> 
>> With all these perls - and more perls created like this in vm's - it
>> allows easy testing and
>> maintenance of your perls.
>> This way you don't rely on cpantesters to get back with reports on
>> crazy versions,
>> perl features or platforms, you test it by yourself before you upload
>> it to CPAN.
>> 
>> .e.g
>> cd Perl/MyModule
>> perlall maketest
>> 
>> does
>> for $p in /usr/local/bin/perl5*
>>?  do
>>?  make clean
>>?  $p Makefile.PL # or Build.PL
>>?  make
>>?  make test | tee log.test-$(basename $p)
>> done
>> 
>> "perlall testvm" copies your perl module in cwd to all vm's and
>> performs "perlall maketest" there and copies the log files back.
>> "perlall do" runs commands for all your perls.
>> 
>> I describe my environment (kvm setup, building tricky perls esp. with
>> windows, ...)
>> and show several useful examples and utils, esp. with the logfiles,
>> which are like your private copy of cpantesters reports.
> 
> 
> -- 
> There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
> make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the
> other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
> deficiencies. -- C. A. R. Hoare
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/

-- 
B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com>
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Feb 20 16:21:08 2012
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 18:21:08 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] April Talk suggestion: perlall
In-Reply-To: <1329753537.34356.YahooMailNeo@web164603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAHiT=DF-g2hsbmN_vBoM3wUmxCvEK_RubSaOXmQFx5CXohTBXg@mail.gmail.com>
	<20120219191303.1a3e5044@cygnus>
	<20120220153100.GA70278@x2045.x.rootbsd.net>
	<1329753537.34356.YahooMailNeo@web164603.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20120220182108.0b973a3f@cygnus>

On Mon, 20 Feb 2012 07:58:57 -0800 (PST)
Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Speaking of projects... Wade, is there any update about the Cookbook
> refresh?

O'Reilly has been very quiet of late. Some of that should have settled
now that the new Programming Perl is out.

I've got to keep tagging my contacts there to see if it's a go.
Otherwise, I have an alternate plan that I'll announce if nothing else
works.

Stay tuned.
G. Wade

> Sounds like a neat tool, though! ?Your own CPAN smoker on a single
> system.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> ________________________________
>  From: B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com>
> To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." <houston at pm.org> 
> Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 9:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [pm-h] April Talk suggestion: perlall
>  
> On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 07:13:03PM -0600, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
> > Thanks, Reini.
> > 
> > You're now on the schedule for April.
> 
> Sweet.
> 
> Helping Reini mature this tool would be a good project for Houston.pm.
> 
> Brett
> 
> > 
> > G. Wade
> > 
> > On Sun, 19 Feb 2012 18:12:36 -0600
> > Reini Urban <rurban at x-ray.at> wrote:
> > 
> >> I have several talk topics, but I think App::perlall is good for
> >> April.
> >> 
> >> Introducing App::perlall, a better perlbrew and testing tool
> >> 
> >> perlall does something like perlbrew, creating perl's for various
> >> versions and with various features
> >> just the sane way. I.e. if possible it uses the Configure defaults
> >> and does not need messing with
> >> PATH and PERL5LIB and allows having several parallel global perls
> >> at once.
> >> 
> >> With all these perls - and more perls created like this in vm's -
> >> it allows easy testing and
> >> maintenance of your perls.
> >> This way you don't rely on cpantesters to get back with reports on
> >> crazy versions,
> >> perl features or platforms, you test it by yourself before you
> >> upload it to CPAN.
> >> 
> >> .e.g
> >> cd Perl/MyModule
> >> perlall maketest
> >> 
> >> does
> >> for $p in /usr/local/bin/perl5*
> >>?  do
> >>?  make clean
> >>?  $p Makefile.PL # or Build.PL
> >>?  make
> >>?  make test | tee log.test-$(basename $p)
> >> done
> >> 
> >> "perlall testvm" copies your perl module in cwd to all vm's and
> >> performs "perlall maketest" there and copies the log files back.
> >> "perlall do" runs commands for all your perls.
> >> 
> >> I describe my environment (kvm setup, building tricky perls esp.
> >> with windows, ...)
> >> and show several useful examples and utils, esp. with the logfiles,
> >> which are like your private copy of cpantesters reports.
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to
> > make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the
> > other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious
> > deficiencies. -- C. A. R. Hoare
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> 


-- 
If it doesn't have to be right, I can make it arbitrarily fast.
                                                    -- Rick Hoselton