From toddr at null.net  Mon Jan  3 09:31:49 2011
From: toddr at null.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 11:31:49 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January meeting
In-Reply-To: <20101229213616.3c2e93ac@sovvan>
References: <20101229213616.3c2e93ac@sovvan>
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On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:36 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> I haven't heard from anybody with a topic they would like to present
> for the upcoming meeting on January 13. Does anyone have a presentation
> they would like to make...
>
> or should we do another social meeting.
>

We discussed doing something related to Houston hackerspace. Does
anyone remember?

I think this is the link: http://www.txrxlabs.org/

I actually have a project on the back burner where I'm trying to
re-verse engineer a zwave controller. Think X10 with meaningful 2 way
communication over a mesh and relaying network.

I've got the hardware if anyone's interested in a show and tell.
https://github.com/toddr/p5-ZWave-Controller

From flbaker at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan  3 10:37:59 2011
From: flbaker at sbcglobal.net (Fraser Baker)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:37:59 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January meeting
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Hey Todd:

If I get time on my hands, I have always wanted to X10 my home. I'll be 
there.

Fraser

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Todd Rinaldo" <toddr at null.net>
To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." <houston at pm.org>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [pm-h] January meeting


> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:36 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> 
> wrote:
>> I haven't heard from anybody with a topic they would like to present
>> for the upcoming meeting on January 13. Does anyone have a presentation
>> they would like to make...
>>
>> or should we do another social meeting.
>>
>
> We discussed doing something related to Houston hackerspace. Does
> anyone remember?
>
> I think this is the link: http://www.txrxlabs.org/
>
> I actually have a project on the back burner where I'm trying to
> re-verse engineer a zwave controller. Think X10 with meaningful 2 way
> communication over a mesh and relaying network.
>
> I've got the hardware if anyone's interested in a show and tell.
> https://github.com/toddr/p5-ZWave-Controller
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/ 


From toddr at null.net  Tue Jan  4 17:14:53 2011
From: toddr at null.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 19:14:53 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January meeting
In-Reply-To: <A1C7D74B06D04A4EB30EDE08C03D338F@CHEETAH>
References: <20101229213616.3c2e93ac@sovvan>
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Friends don't let friends do X10. It's a crappy over valued, 1 way,
sometimes works protocol.

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Fraser Baker <flbaker at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Hey Todd:
>
> If I get time on my hands, I have always wanted to X10 my home. I'll be
> there.
>
> Fraser
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Rinaldo" <toddr at null.net>
> To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." <houston at pm.org>
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 11:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [pm-h] January meeting
>
>
>> On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:36 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I haven't heard from anybody with a topic they would like to present
>>> for the upcoming meeting on January 13. Does anyone have a presentation
>>> they would like to make...
>>>
>>> or should we do another social meeting.
>>>
>>
>> We discussed doing something related to Houston hackerspace. Does
>> anyone remember?
>>
>> I think this is the link: http://www.txrxlabs.org/
>>
>> I actually have a project on the back burner where I'm trying to
>> re-verse engineer a zwave controller. Think X10 with meaningful 2 way
>> communication over a mesh and relaying network.
>>
>> I've got the hardware if anyone's interested in a show and tell.
>> https://github.com/toddr/p5-ZWave-Controller
>> _______________________________________________
>> Houston mailing list
>> Houston at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>



-- 
Todd Rinaldo
toddr at null.net

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Jan  6 05:21:46 2011
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 07:21:46 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January meeting, part two.
Message-ID: <20110106072146.5718a33d@sovvan>

It's only a week until the next meeting.

We haven't really had an avalanche of response to Todd's offer on the
zwave controller project.

Does someone have a better idea?

Or should we do another social meeting and regroup for next month?

G. Wade
-- 
"The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to
vote."                               -- Ambassador Kosh, "Believers"

From toddr at null.net  Thu Jan  6 09:51:07 2011
From: toddr at null.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 11:51:07 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January meeting, part two.
In-Reply-To: <20110106072146.5718a33d@sovvan>
References: <20110106072146.5718a33d@sovvan>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimbx7bGJJb-wkP_mFiVUbBZo2Ae7HpJth4CRjpj@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:21 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> It's only a week until the next meeting.
>
> We haven't really had an avalanche of response to Todd's offer on the
> zwave controller project.
>
> Does someone have a better idea?
>
> Or should we do another social meeting and regroup for next month?
>
> G. Wade
> --
> "The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to
> vote." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Ambassador Kosh, "Believers"


I vote Black Lab. Great quote by the way. one of my favorites!

From erin at morderwerk.de  Thu Jan  6 10:49:15 2011
From: erin at morderwerk.de (Erin Schoenhals)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 12:49:15 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January meeting, part two.
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Yes! I think you should demo anything you have about the ZWave controller project, though!

----- Original message -----
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:21 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>
> wrote:
> > It's only a week until the next meeting.
> > 
> > We haven't really had an avalanche of response to Todd's offer on the
> > zwave controller project.
> > 
> > Does someone have a better idea?
> > 
> > Or should we do another social meeting and regroup for next month?
> > 
> > G. Wade
> > --
> > "The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to
> > vote." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Ambassador Kosh, "Believers"
> 
> 
> I vote Black Lab. Great quote by the way. one of my favorites!
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/

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From rasto at cm4msaa7.com  Thu Jan  6 12:43:06 2011
From: rasto at cm4msaa7.com (lee latham)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 14:43:06 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January meeting, part two.
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The zwave demo would be cool, as would a social meeting.

:-)

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Erin Schoenhals <erin at morderwerk.de> wrote:
> Yes! I think you should demo anything you have about the ZWave controller
> project, though!
>
> ----- Original message -----
>> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:21 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>
>> wrote:
>> > It's only a week until the next meeting.
>> >
>> > We haven't really had an avalanche of response to Todd's offer on the
>> > zwave controller project.
>> >
>> > Does someone have a better idea?
>> >
>> > Or should we do another social meeting and regroup for next month?
>> >
>> > G. Wade
>> > --
>> > "The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to
>> > vote." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Ambassador Kosh, "Believers"
>>
>>
>> I vote Black Lab. Great quote by the way. one of my favorites!
>> _______________________________________________
>> Houston mailing list
>> Houston at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>

From toddr at null.net  Thu Jan  6 14:50:11 2011
From: toddr at null.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 16:50:11 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January meeting, part two.
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I'd happily demo over beer. I'm not confident there's enough content
to do a meeting over it. This way the people who wanna hack can hack
and the people who want to chat can chat.

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:43 PM, lee latham <rasto at cm4msaa7.com> wrote:
> The zwave demo would be cool, as would a social meeting.
>
> :-)
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Erin Schoenhals <erin at morderwerk.de> wrote:
>> Yes! I think you should demo anything you have about the ZWave controller
>> project, though!
>>
>> ----- Original message -----
>>> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:21 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> > It's only a week until the next meeting.
>>> >
>>> > We haven't really had an avalanche of response to Todd's offer on the
>>> > zwave controller project.
>>> >
>>> > Does someone have a better idea?
>>> >
>>> > Or should we do another social meeting and regroup for next month?
>>> >
>>> > G. Wade
>>> > --
>>> > "The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to
>>> > vote." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Ambassador Kosh, "Believers"
>>>
>>>
>>> I vote Black Lab. Great quote by the way. one of my favorites!

From mikeflan at att.net  Thu Jan  6 15:12:35 2011
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:12:35 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January meeting, part two.
In-Reply-To: <20110106072146.5718a33d@sovvan>
References: <20110106072146.5718a33d@sovvan>
Message-ID: <4D264C63.7090900@att.net>


On 1/6/2011 7:21 AM, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
> It's only a week until the next meeting.
>
> We haven't really had an avalanche of response to Todd's offer on the
> zwave controller project.
>
> Does someone have a better idea?
>
> Or should we do another social meeting and regroup for next month?
>
> G. Wade

It sounds like a great program presentation
to me, but I can't make it to that meeting.

I'm hoping for a job change in a few weeks
that might allow me to attend some of these.



Mike


From rasto at cm4msaa7.com  Thu Jan  6 16:28:16 2011
From: rasto at cm4msaa7.com (lee latham)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 18:28:16 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January meeting, part two.
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Sounds like fun!

On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Todd Rinaldo <toddr at null.net> wrote:
> I'd happily demo over beer. I'm not confident there's enough content
> to do a meeting over it. This way the people who wanna hack can hack
> and the people who want to chat can chat.
>
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:43 PM, lee latham <rasto at cm4msaa7.com> wrote:
>> The zwave demo would be cool, as would a social meeting.
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Erin Schoenhals <erin at morderwerk.de> wrote:
>>> Yes! I think you should demo anything you have about the ZWave controller
>>> project, though!
>>>
>>> ----- Original message -----
>>>> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:21 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> > It's only a week until the next meeting.
>>>> >
>>>> > We haven't really had an avalanche of response to Todd's offer on the
>>>> > zwave controller project.
>>>> >
>>>> > Does someone have a better idea?
>>>> >
>>>> > Or should we do another social meeting and regroup for next month?
>>>> >
>>>> > G. Wade
>>>> > --
>>>> > "The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to
>>>> > vote." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Ambassador Kosh, "Believers"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I vote Black Lab. Great quote by the way. one of my favorites!
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/

From erin at morderwerk.de  Thu Jan  6 23:38:57 2011
From: erin at morderwerk.de (Erin Schoenhals)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2011 01:38:57 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January meeting, part two.
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I'll bring some stuff, too, and somehow make it Perl-related, too! Gordon, I think you should do the same, assuming you're subscribed to this list and all that.

----- Original message -----
> Sounds like fun!
> 
> On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Todd Rinaldo <toddr at null.net> wrote:
> > I'd happily demo over beer. I'm not confident there's enough content
> > to do a meeting over it. This way the people who wanna hack can hack
> > and the people who want to chat can chat.
> > 
> > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 2:43 PM, lee latham <rasto at cm4msaa7.com> wrote:
> > > The zwave demo would be cool, as would a social meeting.
> > > 
> > > :-)
> > > 
> > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:49 PM, Erin Schoenhals
> > > <erin at morderwerk.de> wrote:
> > > > Yes! I think you should demo anything you have about the ZWave
> > > > controller project, though!
> > > > 
> > > > ----- Original message -----
> > > > > On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:21 AM, G. Wade Johnson
> > > > > <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> > > > > > It's only a week until the next meeting.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > We haven't really had an avalanche of response to Todd's offer
> > > > > > on the zwave controller project.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Does someone have a better idea?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Or should we do another social meeting and regroup for next
> > > > > > month?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > G. Wade
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > "The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the
> > > > > > pebbles to vote." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Ambassador
> > > > > > Kosh, "Believers"
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I vote Black Lab. Great quote by the way. one of my favorites!
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Jan 10 16:16:05 2011
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:16:05 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January Meeting
Message-ID: <20110110181605.64513604@sovvan>

Based on the fact that Todd has recommended that his technical
presentation would be better over beer, I guess we will have a social
meeting this time.

We'll meet at the Black Labrador again at 7pm on Thursday (1/13). Ask
for "Wade" or "the Perl Group" to find us.

Info and directions are
available at http://www.blacklabradorpub.com/lab_about_us.html

See you there.
G. Wade
-- 
DON'T PANIC! I'm a trained professional, and far more qualified to
panic in this situation than you are.

From szabgab at gmail.com  Wed Jan 19 11:11:48 2011
From: szabgab at gmail.com (Gabor Szabo)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 21:11:48 +0200
Subject: [pm-h] Texas Linux Fest: The 2011 Call for Papers is Open
Message-ID: <AANLkTimpy4JsKnipU6czpgguJFrkrfT2Cnzg5jBLJ9xN@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

Thanks for approving my registration to the mailing list!

According to my maps Houston isn't far from Austin
so I hope you'll be interested in this.

See the CFP for the Texas Linux Fest (in Austin) below.

I have asked for a Perl community booth there and already
got approved. I setup a page on the TPF wiki to coordinate
the Perl presence there:

https://www.socialtext.net/perl5/index.cgi?events_2011_texas_linux_fest

Just to compare, SCALE in Los Angeles will have 2 Perl related
talks - one of them by chromatic, sponsored by the
Perl Ecosystem Group - and they will also have an LA.pm / Perl booth.

It would be nice to have a few Perl related talk here too.

Oh, Patrick Michaud already indicated that he is planning to submit
a Perl 6 related talk. It should be fun.

regards
?Gabor Szabo ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? http://szabgab.com/
?Perl Ecosystem Group ? ? ? http://perl-ecosystem.org/


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Nathan Willis <nwillis at glyphography.com>
Date: Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 3:00 AM
Subject: The 2011 Call for Papers is Open
To: texaslinuxfest at googlegroups.com


Texas Linux Fest 2011 Call For Papers open!
*******************************************************

We are proud to officially open the call for papers for Texas Linux
Fest 2011, scheduled for April 2 at the Hilton Austin hotel in
downtown Austin, Texas.

Texas Linux Fest 2011 is the second annual Linux and open source
software event for Texas and the surrounding region.? We are
assembling a one day program for the business and home Linux user, and
for the experienced developer and newcomer alike.

-- Join in: submit your talk --

In that spirit, we invite you to share your work with the rest of the
community by submitting your talk for this year's schedule.

Topics of interest include (but are not limited to):
----------------------------------

?- The Linux Kernel
?- Open Source Programming Languages
?- Databases
?- Desktop Linux Distributions
?- Embedded Linux
?- Linux in the Server Environment
?- Network Services and Cloud Computing
?- Free Software Licensing
?- Community Management
?- Open Source Multimedia
?- Green Computing
?- Open Source in Government
?- Linux For Beginners
?- Open Source For Small Businesses
?- Open Source Marketing and Evangelism
?- Open Source in Education

----------------------------------

Slots will be available for two lengths of presentations: 45 minutes
in length and shorter, 25 minute sessions.? Basic technical setup will
include an overhead projector and a Linux laptop with PDF and
OpenOffice.org presentation software.? Special setup needs will be
accommodated, simply notify us when sending your proposal.

To submit your talk for consideration, visit
http://www.texaslinuxfest.org/callforpapers/ .? For questions or help
with the talk submission process, please contact the team at
info at texaslinuxfest.org

-- Important Dates --

?- January 17: Call For Papers opens
?- February 14, 11:59 p.m.: Deadline for proposals
?- February 25: Last date for notification of submission acceptance

From rasto at cm4msaa7.com  Tue Jan 25 08:17:31 2011
From: rasto at cm4msaa7.com (lee latham)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:17:31 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Automating sudo/bash terminal
Message-ID: <AANLkTikqen0u540cnfOKyf3n88OBuBKMLEPR505XT2r7@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Y'all,

I'm having a surprisingly difficult time automating a terminal
session, so I thought I'd see if you guys have any thoughts.

I'm in a situation where I need to issue commands in a sudo
environment.  So I've got to authenticate the sudo, issue commands
after that (this is the part I'm having trouble with), read the output
of the commands and issue new commands based on that output.  So
basically I need to do like 'sudo bash' and then issue commands in
that bash session.

I've tried various tricks to no avail, and I'd really rather avoid
using Expect, as I expect the process to get a little lengthy at
times.

The main problem, for example, is that if I simply execute `sudo
dowhatever` via backticks or system, I still need to authenticate, and
even if I do that then that session is immediately closed.

A similar situation is when using Net::OpenSSH, and I need to, say,
become a different user on the remote machine and issue commands as
that user.

I suspect my unix knowledge is inadequate to even properly
understanding the problem :-)

Any thoughts?  Any input would be greatly appreciated!

Best,
Lee

From estrabd at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 08:18:13 2011
From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:18:13 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Automating sudo/bash terminal
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On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:17:31AM -0600, lee latham wrote:
> Hi Y'all,
> 
> I'm having a surprisingly difficult time automating a terminal
> session, so I thought I'd see if you guys have any thoughts.
> 
> I'm in a situation where I need to issue commands in a sudo
> environment.  So I've got to authenticate the sudo, issue commands
> after that (this is the part I'm having trouble with), read the output
> of the commands and issue new commands based on that output.  So
> basically I need to do like 'sudo bash' and then issue commands in
> that bash session.
> 
> I've tried various tricks to no avail, and I'd really rather avoid
> using Expect, as I expect the process to get a little lengthy at
> times.
> 
> The main problem, for example, is that if I simply execute `sudo
> dowhatever` via backticks or system, I still need to authenticate, and
> even if I do that then that session is immediately closed.
> 
> A similar situation is when using Net::OpenSSH, and I need to, say,
> become a different user on the remote machine and issue commands as
> that user.
> 
> I suspect my unix knowledge is inadequate to even properly
> understanding the problem :-)
> 
> Any thoughts?  Any input would be greatly appreciated!

Your biggest issue is going to be maintaining security. Sounds like
you either have to store the password somewhere or allow certain
commands to be executed via sudo unencombered via password.

Do you have root on this box?

And I hate to give you the typical "Perlish" response, but what
exactly are you trying to do? I would imagine that if you've painted
yourself into a corner where you have to issue sudo in batch process,
there are like better solutions to what you're needing to accomplish.

Cheers,
Brett

> 
> Best,
> Lee
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/

-- 
B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com>

From rasto at cm4msaa7.com  Tue Jan 25 08:38:49 2011
From: rasto at cm4msaa7.com (lee latham)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:38:49 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Automating sudo/bash terminal
In-Reply-To: <20110125161813.GL8488@x2045.x.rootbsd.net>
References: <AANLkTikqen0u540cnfOKyf3n88OBuBKMLEPR505XT2r7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110125161813.GL8488@x2045.x.rootbsd.net>
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Thanks for the response, Brett!

No, I do not have root access or the ability to change the
infrastructure I'm working under.

I figured I'd pass the sudo password as an argument to the script.

But can it be done?

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:18 AM, B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:17:31AM -0600, lee latham wrote:
>> Hi Y'all,
>>
>> I'm having a surprisingly difficult time automating a terminal
>> session, so I thought I'd see if you guys have any thoughts.
>>
>> I'm in a situation where I need to issue commands in a sudo
>> environment. ?So I've got to authenticate the sudo, issue commands
>> after that (this is the part I'm having trouble with), read the output
>> of the commands and issue new commands based on that output. ?So
>> basically I need to do like 'sudo bash' and then issue commands in
>> that bash session.
>>
>> I've tried various tricks to no avail, and I'd really rather avoid
>> using Expect, as I expect the process to get a little lengthy at
>> times.
>>
>> The main problem, for example, is that if I simply execute `sudo
>> dowhatever` via backticks or system, I still need to authenticate, and
>> even if I do that then that session is immediately closed.
>>
>> A similar situation is when using Net::OpenSSH, and I need to, say,
>> become a different user on the remote machine and issue commands as
>> that user.
>>
>> I suspect my unix knowledge is inadequate to even properly
>> understanding the problem :-)
>>
>> Any thoughts? ?Any input would be greatly appreciated!
>
> Your biggest issue is going to be maintaining security. Sounds like
> you either have to store the password somewhere or allow certain
> commands to be executed via sudo unencombered via password.
>
> Do you have root on this box?
>
> And I hate to give you the typical "Perlish" response, but what
> exactly are you trying to do? I would imagine that if you've painted
> yourself into a corner where you have to issue sudo in batch process,
> there are like better solutions to what you're needing to accomplish.
>
> Cheers,
> Brett
>
>>
>> Best,
>> Lee
>> _______________________________________________
>> Houston mailing list
>> Houston at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
> --
> B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>

From estrabd at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 08:52:36 2011
From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 10:52:36 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Automating sudo/bash terminal
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik9TJRZMYxegJdq0BZ=btEgpzWM=177Jr3J1KGf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikqen0u540cnfOKyf3n88OBuBKMLEPR505XT2r7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110125161813.GL8488@x2045.x.rootbsd.net>
	<AANLkTik9TJRZMYxegJdq0BZ=btEgpzWM=177Jr3J1KGf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110125165236.GN8488@x2045.x.rootbsd.net>

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:38:49AM -0600, lee latham wrote:
> Thanks for the response, Brett!
> 
> No, I do not have root access or the ability to change the
> infrastructure I'm working under.
> 
> I figured I'd pass the sudo password as an argument to the script.
> 
> But can it be done?

I wrote a test bash script that worked:

#/bin/sh
sudo -S ls<<END
y0urP at ssword
END
##-- end of script

You may need to do a wrapper sudo script and have your actual work in
another script; I don't immediately know if passing a stream of
commands to sudo would necessarily be what you wanted to do:

#/bin/sh
sudo -S ./realscript.sh<<END # realscript.sh contains the real work
y0urP at ssword
END
##-- end of script

I suppose you could simply chmod to 700 or 600 and issue 'sh
./yoursudoscript.sh' via ssh. Ultimately, the issue protecting your
password.

Hope that helps..

Brett

> 
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:18 AM, B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:17:31AM -0600, lee latham wrote:
> >> Hi Y'all,
> >>
> >> I'm having a surprisingly difficult time automating a terminal
> >> session, so I thought I'd see if you guys have any thoughts.
> >>
> >> I'm in a situation where I need to issue commands in a sudo
> >> environment. ?So I've got to authenticate the sudo, issue commands
> >> after that (this is the part I'm having trouble with), read the output
> >> of the commands and issue new commands based on that output. ?So
> >> basically I need to do like 'sudo bash' and then issue commands in
> >> that bash session.
> >>
> >> I've tried various tricks to no avail, and I'd really rather avoid
> >> using Expect, as I expect the process to get a little lengthy at
> >> times.
> >>
> >> The main problem, for example, is that if I simply execute `sudo
> >> dowhatever` via backticks or system, I still need to authenticate, and
> >> even if I do that then that session is immediately closed.
> >>
> >> A similar situation is when using Net::OpenSSH, and I need to, say,
> >> become a different user on the remote machine and issue commands as
> >> that user.
> >>
> >> I suspect my unix knowledge is inadequate to even properly
> >> understanding the problem :-)
> >>
> >> Any thoughts? ?Any input would be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Your biggest issue is going to be maintaining security. Sounds like
> > you either have to store the password somewhere or allow certain
> > commands to be executed via sudo unencombered via password.
> >
> > Do you have root on this box?
> >
> > And I hate to give you the typical "Perlish" response, but what
> > exactly are you trying to do? I would imagine that if you've painted
> > yourself into a corner where you have to issue sudo in batch process,
> > there are like better solutions to what you're needing to accomplish.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Brett
> >
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Lee
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Houston mailing list
> >> Houston at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> >> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> >
> > --
> > B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/

-- 
B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com>

From rasto at cm4msaa7.com  Tue Jan 25 15:43:58 2011
From: rasto at cm4msaa7.com (lee latham)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 17:43:58 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Automating sudo/bash terminal
In-Reply-To: <20110125165236.GN8488@x2045.x.rootbsd.net>
References: <AANLkTikqen0u540cnfOKyf3n88OBuBKMLEPR505XT2r7@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110125161813.GL8488@x2045.x.rootbsd.net>
	<AANLkTik9TJRZMYxegJdq0BZ=btEgpzWM=177Jr3J1KGf@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110125165236.GN8488@x2045.x.rootbsd.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=UbbwjrqAW=Zy4PEN2cOYO-96r_HbWeLonvW_p@mail.gmail.com>

That's awesome, Brett, thanks.  I used that in combination with the
last post on my perlmonks question to get the job done:

http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=884031

It really is hideous, but it does work :-)

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:52 AM, B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:38:49AM -0600, lee latham wrote:
>> Thanks for the response, Brett!
>>
>> No, I do not have root access or the ability to change the
>> infrastructure I'm working under.
>>
>> I figured I'd pass the sudo password as an argument to the script.
>>
>> But can it be done?
>
> I wrote a test bash script that worked:
>
> #/bin/sh
> sudo -S ls<<END
> y0urP at ssword
> END
> ##-- end of script
>
> You may need to do a wrapper sudo script and have your actual work in
> another script; I don't immediately know if passing a stream of
> commands to sudo would necessarily be what you wanted to do:
>
> #/bin/sh
> sudo -S ./realscript.sh<<END # realscript.sh contains the real work
> y0urP at ssword
> END
> ##-- end of script
>
> I suppose you could simply chmod to 700 or 600 and issue 'sh
> ./yoursudoscript.sh' via ssh. Ultimately, the issue protecting your
> password.
>
> Hope that helps..
>
> Brett
>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:18 AM, B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:17:31AM -0600, lee latham wrote:
>> >> Hi Y'all,
>> >>
>> >> I'm having a surprisingly difficult time automating a terminal
>> >> session, so I thought I'd see if you guys have any thoughts.
>> >>
>> >> I'm in a situation where I need to issue commands in a sudo
>> >> environment. ?So I've got to authenticate the sudo, issue commands
>> >> after that (this is the part I'm having trouble with), read the output
>> >> of the commands and issue new commands based on that output. ?So
>> >> basically I need to do like 'sudo bash' and then issue commands in
>> >> that bash session.
>> >>
>> >> I've tried various tricks to no avail, and I'd really rather avoid
>> >> using Expect, as I expect the process to get a little lengthy at
>> >> times.
>> >>
>> >> The main problem, for example, is that if I simply execute `sudo
>> >> dowhatever` via backticks or system, I still need to authenticate, and
>> >> even if I do that then that session is immediately closed.
>> >>
>> >> A similar situation is when using Net::OpenSSH, and I need to, say,
>> >> become a different user on the remote machine and issue commands as
>> >> that user.
>> >>
>> >> I suspect my unix knowledge is inadequate to even properly
>> >> understanding the problem :-)
>> >>
>> >> Any thoughts? ?Any input would be greatly appreciated!
>> >
>> > Your biggest issue is going to be maintaining security. Sounds like
>> > you either have to store the password somewhere or allow certain
>> > commands to be executed via sudo unencombered via password.
>> >
>> > Do you have root on this box?
>> >
>> > And I hate to give you the typical "Perlish" response, but what
>> > exactly are you trying to do? I would imagine that if you've painted
>> > yourself into a corner where you have to issue sudo in batch process,
>> > there are like better solutions to what you're needing to accomplish.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Brett
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Best,
>> >> Lee
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Houston mailing list
>> >> Houston at pm.org
>> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> >> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>> >
>> > --
>> > B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com>
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Houston mailing list
>> > Houston at pm.org
>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Houston mailing list
>> Houston at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
> --
> B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>

From estrabd at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 09:20:34 2011
From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 11:20:34 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Automating sudo/bash terminal
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On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 05:43:58PM -0600, lee latham wrote:
> That's awesome, Brett, thanks.  I used that in combination with the
> last post on my perlmonks question to get the job done:

You are very welcome.

> 
> http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=884031
> 
> It really is hideous, but it does work :-)

I had not been on Perl Monks in ages! I updated my profile to reflect
my current info. I am, "perlfan". I need to get back into th
habit of visiting the site. :)

Brett

> 
> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:52 AM, B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:38:49AM -0600, lee latham wrote:
> >> Thanks for the response, Brett!
> >>
> >> No, I do not have root access or the ability to change the
> >> infrastructure I'm working under.
> >>
> >> I figured I'd pass the sudo password as an argument to the script.
> >>
> >> But can it be done?
> >
> > I wrote a test bash script that worked:
> >
> > #/bin/sh
> > sudo -S ls<<END
> > y0urP at ssword
> > END
> > ##-- end of script
> >
> > You may need to do a wrapper sudo script and have your actual work in
> > another script; I don't immediately know if passing a stream of
> > commands to sudo would necessarily be what you wanted to do:
> >
> > #/bin/sh
> > sudo -S ./realscript.sh<<END # realscript.sh contains the real work
> > y0urP at ssword
> > END
> > ##-- end of script
> >
> > I suppose you could simply chmod to 700 or 600 and issue 'sh
> > ./yoursudoscript.sh' via ssh. Ultimately, the issue protecting your
> > password.
> >
> > Hope that helps..
> >
> > Brett
> >
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:18 AM, B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 10:17:31AM -0600, lee latham wrote:
> >> >> Hi Y'all,
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm having a surprisingly difficult time automating a terminal
> >> >> session, so I thought I'd see if you guys have any thoughts.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm in a situation where I need to issue commands in a sudo
> >> >> environment. ?So I've got to authenticate the sudo, issue commands
> >> >> after that (this is the part I'm having trouble with), read the output
> >> >> of the commands and issue new commands based on that output. ?So
> >> >> basically I need to do like 'sudo bash' and then issue commands in
> >> >> that bash session.
> >> >>
> >> >> I've tried various tricks to no avail, and I'd really rather avoid
> >> >> using Expect, as I expect the process to get a little lengthy at
> >> >> times.
> >> >>
> >> >> The main problem, for example, is that if I simply execute `sudo
> >> >> dowhatever` via backticks or system, I still need to authenticate, and
> >> >> even if I do that then that session is immediately closed.
> >> >>
> >> >> A similar situation is when using Net::OpenSSH, and I need to, say,
> >> >> become a different user on the remote machine and issue commands as
> >> >> that user.
> >> >>
> >> >> I suspect my unix knowledge is inadequate to even properly
> >> >> understanding the problem :-)
> >> >>
> >> >> Any thoughts? ?Any input would be greatly appreciated!
> >> >
> >> > Your biggest issue is going to be maintaining security. Sounds like
> >> > you either have to store the password somewhere or allow certain
> >> > commands to be executed via sudo unencombered via password.
> >> >
> >> > Do you have root on this box?
> >> >
> >> > And I hate to give you the typical "Perlish" response, but what
> >> > exactly are you trying to do? I would imagine that if you've painted
> >> > yourself into a corner where you have to issue sudo in batch process,
> >> > there are like better solutions to what you're needing to accomplish.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers,
> >> > Brett
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Best,
> >> >> Lee
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Houston mailing list
> >> >> Houston at pm.org
> >> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> >> >> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com>
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Houston mailing list
> >> > Houston at pm.org
> >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> >> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> >> >
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Houston mailing list
> >> Houston at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> >> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> >
> > --
> > B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/

-- 
B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com>