From gwadej at anomaly.org Wed Aug 4 18:27:26 2010 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 20:27:26 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] August Houston.pm Social Meeting at the Black Lab Message-ID: <20100804202726.6145ef4d@sovvan> This month we will have a social meeting for Houston.pm. Unlike our normal technical meetings, a social meeting has no presentation. The main goal is meet each other and learn a little about what we do and what projects we might be working on. Also the start time for a social meeting is a bit more flexible, since there's no presentation. If you can only make it after 7 or 8, feel free to come by. We'd love to meet you. Social meetings are also a great time to ask the group about problems that you are working on. We may be trying to be social, but we are still Perl people. This month, we are trying somewhat nicer digs for the social meeting: the Black Labrador. We look forward to seeing everybody there. G. Wade ---- Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=4100+Montrose+Boulevard,+Houston,+TX&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=47.483365,93.164063&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=4100+Montrose+Blvd,+Houston,+Harris,+Texas+77006&z=17 From gwadej at anomaly.org Wed Aug 4 20:31:32 2010 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:31:32 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] July Presentation notes are online Message-ID: <20100804223132.0cdd541d@sovvan> The notes from Erin's talk last month are finally on-line. http://houston.pm.org/talks/2010talks/1007Talk/index.html G. Wade -- "And so it begins" -- Ambassador Kosh From gwadej at anomaly.org Wed Aug 11 15:26:51 2010 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:26:51 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] August Houston.pm Social Meeting Message-ID: <20100811172651.2162524a@sovvan> This a final reminder about the August Houston.pm Social meeting at the Black Lab this Thursday (08/12), starting between 6:30 and 7. There will be no presentation, but we'll have good discussion and a chance to meet other members of the group. Feel free to bring questions or projects that you'd like other opinions on. See the following map for our location. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=4100+Montrose+Boulevard,+Houston,+TX&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=47.483365,93.164063&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=4100+Montrose+Blvd,+Houston,+Harris,+Texas+77006&z=17 When you get to the Black Lab, ask for me or the Perl group to get pointed to the right place. Hope to see you there. G. Wade -- Perl's payment curve coincides with its learning curve. -- GrandFather From mikeflan at att.net Sat Aug 14 06:01:29 2010 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:01:29 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Can't Move to Linux In-Reply-To: <4B87CC6A.2020800@att.net> References: <4B87CC6A.2020800@att.net> Message-ID: <4C6693A9.1010201@att.net> On 2/26/2010 7:28 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote: > > I would like to get any flavor of Linux installed > to my older-generation computer. I have 2 > old computers: > x86 Family 6 Model 7 Stepping 3 AT/AT Compatible 130,596 KB Ram > Intel (R) 4 CPU 1400 MHz 130,352 KB Ram > > I know that x86 is a Pentium 3. > > > I have tried 2 different downloaded versions > of the single CD install: > Fedora 12 i686-LIVE > I don't want a dual boot - I want a clean install. > > I have tried it at least 15 times. > It boots to the disk and gets to various places > each time. Sometimes it freezes soon on > the lemon icon blue screen. Usually it gets > past that, sometimes to the "Press 'I' to enter > interactive startup". It takes the 'I' I press, > but never does anything after that. I have > let it run all night, but it doesn't do anything > else. > > I want to make a move from Win to Linux and > need a starting point. Buying a new computer > is not out-of-the-question, but I'd like to put > that off until later if possible. > > I have an old Dell portable and a 64 bit Linux > 2-yo portable I am also willing to use for this. > > I am open to any suggestions on what to do > and what to use. > > > Mike Flannigan > > Now I'm trying to install Linux on a new model HP portable computer. In fact it is 64 bit. I got Fedora 12 installed. It didn't go the first time, but did the 2nd. Used the entire hard drive for a clean install. My problem is I could not connect to the internet (or my network). Seems to be a common problem. I tried hard to fix it, but never got it done. One of many sites I used to try to fix it is: http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-239096.html I had almost the exact same problem as on that site, but didn't get to a resolution like she eventually did. Then I tried Ubuntu. It got past English language, but then just hung at Install Ubuntu. If anybody has any other Linux recommendations, please let me know. Looks like I'm headed back to Windows and I'm not happy about that. My portable is an HP Pavilion dv9830US notebook PC that was running 64 bit Vista with relatively good success, but it was a bit slow. Mike From gwadej at anomaly.org Sat Aug 14 06:47:43 2010 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:47:43 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Can't Move to Linux In-Reply-To: <4C6693A9.1010201@att.net> References: <4B87CC6A.2020800@att.net> <4C6693A9.1010201@att.net> Message-ID: <20100814084743.5b70c447@sovvan> On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:01:29 -0500 Mike Flannigan wrote: > > > On 2/26/2010 7:28 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote: > > > > I would like to get any flavor of Linux installed > > to my older-generation computer. I have 2 > > old computers: > > x86 Family 6 Model 7 Stepping 3 AT/AT Compatible 130,596 KB Ram > > Intel (R) 4 CPU 1400 MHz 130,352 KB Ram [snip] > > > Now I'm trying to install Linux on a new model > HP portable computer. In fact it is 64 bit. > > I got Fedora 12 installed. It didn't go the first > time, but did the 2nd. Used the entire hard > drive for a clean install. My problem is I > could not connect to the internet (or my > network). Seems to be a common problem. > I tried hard to fix it, but never got it done. > One of many sites I used to try to fix it is: > http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-239096.html > I had almost the exact same problem as on > that site, but didn't get to a resolution like > she eventually did. > > Then I tried Ubuntu. It got past English language, > but then just hung at Install Ubuntu. > > If anybody has any other Linux recommendations, > please let me know. Looks like I'm headed back > to Windows and I'm not happy about that. > > My portable is an HP Pavilion dv9830US notebook PC > that was running 64 bit Vista with relatively good > success, but it was a bit slow. Hi Mike, Sorry to hear about your Linux issues. I've installed Linux on several machines successfully over the years. One issue I can think of with the notebooks and laptops is that they continue to be "special": unusual drivers or hardware issues. They laptop manufacturers normally provide Windows drivers to Microsoft and that's it. There are a few special distributions I have heard of that take some distribution like Ubuntu and "tweak it" to handle laptops installs better. I know some people have decent luck using the Ubuntu Live disk to verify that Ubuntu can get drivers and such up and running. Then, they install from the booted Ubuntu system. I don't know if that's what you tried or if you just started with an install. A couple years ago I had a bit of trouble installing Ubuntu on a 64-bit desktop I had built and it turned out to be the video board. I know nVidia makes this particularly difficult with their binary-only drivers. There are a few distributions that give you a lot more control on the installation. But, I wouldn't recommend them unless you are pretty Linux-savvy already: Slackware, Gentoo. You could try Debian, but it's the basis for Ubuntu and not nearly as friendly, so I would probably recommend against it. The one other thing I can think of would be to make certain you are working with the latest Ubuntu. It seems that the install system is getting better at detecting hardware with each new version. Doing a quick Google of "Ubuntu dv9830US" resulted in examples of people who have managed this install. I would suggest checking ubuntuforums.org to see if anyone has any advice. G. Wade -- "any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from a Perl script." -- Programming Perl, 2nd ed. From jellyson at gmail.com Sat Aug 14 08:02:13 2010 From: jellyson at gmail.com (John Ellyson) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:02:13 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Can't Move to Linux In-Reply-To: <4C6693A9.1010201@att.net> References: <4B87CC6A.2020800@att.net> <4C6693A9.1010201@att.net> Message-ID: Mike, Did a little digging around and found the link below, which is Intel's Linux driver site. I figured if anyone has a vested interest in ensuring that there is a good, working driver for a wireless NIC in Linux, it would be the manufacturer of that NIC. In your case, that would be Intel. http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/ In case you're still having issues and decide to restore back to Vista, you can still experiment/use Linux on the laptop. Check out Virtual Box (link is below), which is a free virtualization product that Sun (now owned by Oracle) had created and is maintaining and updating. It's pretty easy to use and setup. In this case, you would use Vista as your host OS and have a Linux distro as your guest OS. http://www.virtualbox.org/ As for your networking issue, you won't face the same issue with Virtual Box. It's going to present a virtual NIC to the guest OS. Just configure the NICs of the laptop for bridging mode in Virtual Box. Then the guest OS will be able to access the real NIC directly. Anyways, just thought that I'd toss that out as alternative that would allow you to try different Linux distros while running Windows. By the way, that's what I'm doing with my office system at work. It's running Windows 7 (64 bit) and I have multiple virtual machines created that I can run. Also, I've been meaning to do the same with my personal laptop, but haven't gotten around to do it quite yet. John Ellyson On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 8:01 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote: > > > On 2/26/2010 7:28 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote: > >> >> I would like to get any flavor of Linux installed >> to my older-generation computer. I have 2 >> old computers: >> x86 Family 6 Model 7 Stepping 3 AT/AT Compatible 130,596 KB Ram >> Intel (R) 4 CPU 1400 MHz 130,352 KB Ram >> >> I know that x86 is a Pentium 3. >> >> >> I have tried 2 different downloaded versions >> of the single CD install: >> Fedora 12 i686-LIVE >> I don't want a dual boot - I want a clean install. >> >> I have tried it at least 15 times. >> It boots to the disk and gets to various places >> each time. Sometimes it freezes soon on >> the lemon icon blue screen. Usually it gets >> past that, sometimes to the "Press 'I' to enter >> interactive startup". It takes the 'I' I press, >> but never does anything after that. I have >> let it run all night, but it doesn't do anything >> else. >> >> I want to make a move from Win to Linux and >> need a starting point. Buying a new computer >> is not out-of-the-question, but I'd like to put >> that off until later if possible. >> >> I have an old Dell portable and a 64 bit Linux >> 2-yo portable I am also willing to use for this. >> >> I am open to any suggestions on what to do >> and what to use. >> >> >> Mike Flannigan >> >> >> > > > Now I'm trying to install Linux on a new model > HP portable computer. In fact it is 64 bit. > > I got Fedora 12 installed. It didn't go the first > time, but did the 2nd. Used the entire hard > drive for a clean install. My problem is I > could not connect to the internet (or my > network). Seems to be a common problem. > I tried hard to fix it, but never got it done. > One of many sites I used to try to fix it is: > http://forums.fedoraforum.org/archive/index.php/t-239096.html > I had almost the exact same problem as on > that site, but didn't get to a resolution like > she eventually did. > > Then I tried Ubuntu. It got past English language, > but then just hung at Install Ubuntu. > > If anybody has any other Linux recommendations, > please let me know. Looks like I'm headed back > to Windows and I'm not happy about that. > > My portable is an HP Pavilion dv9830US notebook PC > that was running 64 bit Vista with relatively good > success, but it was a bit slow. > > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikeflan at att.net Sat Aug 14 08:39:03 2010 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:39:03 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Can't Move to Linux In-Reply-To: <20100814084743.5b70c447@sovvan> References: <4B87CC6A.2020800@att.net> <4C6693A9.1010201@att.net> <20100814084743.5b70c447@sovvan> Message-ID: <4C66B897.7020605@att.net> On 8/14/2010 8:47 AM, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:01:29 -0500 > Mike Flannigan wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Sorry to hear about your Linux issues. I've installed Linux on several > machines successfully over the years. > > One issue I can think of with the notebooks and laptops is that they > continue to be "special": unusual drivers or hardware issues. They > laptop manufacturers normally provide Windows drivers to Microsoft and > that's it. There are a few special distributions I have heard of that > take some distribution like Ubuntu and "tweak it" to handle laptops > installs better. > > I know some people have decent luck using the Ubuntu Live disk to > verify that Ubuntu can get drivers and such up and running. Then, they > install from the booted Ubuntu system. I don't know if that's what you > tried or if you just started with an install. > > A couple years ago I had a bit of trouble installing Ubuntu on a 64-bit > desktop I had built and it turned out to be the video board. I know > nVidia makes this particularly difficult with their binary-only drivers. > > There are a few distributions that give you a lot more control on the > installation. But, I wouldn't recommend them unless you are pretty > Linux-savvy already: Slackware, Gentoo. You could try Debian, but it's > the basis for Ubuntu and not nearly as friendly, so I would probably > recommend against it. > > The one other thing I can think of would be to make certain you are > working with the latest Ubuntu. It seems that the install system is > getting better at detecting hardware with each new version. > > Doing a quick Google of "Ubuntu dv9830US" resulted in examples of > people who have managed this install. I would suggest checking > ubuntuforums.org to see if anyone has any advice. > > G. Wade > Wow. Great advice from you and John. I'm working these issues now. I have already restored Vista. I'll try a dual boot this time, but not Fedora. The Virtual Box idea is very cool. I'm looking into that also. Mike From mikeflan at att.net Sat Aug 14 08:59:13 2010 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 10:59:13 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Can't Move to Linux In-Reply-To: References: <4B87CC6A.2020800@att.net> <4C6693A9.1010201@att.net> Message-ID: <4C66BD51.3070601@att.net> On 8/14/2010 10:02 AM, John Ellyson wrote: > Mike, > > Did a little digging around and found the link below, which is Intel's > Linux driver site. I figured if anyone has a vested interest in > ensuring that there is a good, working driver for a wireless NIC in > Linux, it would be the manufacturer of that NIC. In your case, that > would be Intel. > > http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/ > > In case you're still having issues and decide to restore back to > Vista, you can still experiment/use Linux on the laptop. Check out > Virtual Box (link is below), which is a free virtualization product > that Sun (now owned by Oracle) had created and is maintaining and > updating. It's pretty easy to use and setup. In this case, you would > use Vista as your host OS and have a Linux distro as your guest OS. > > http://www.virtualbox.org/ > > As for your networking issue, you won't face the same issue with > Virtual Box. It's going to present a virtual NIC to the guest OS. > Just configure the NICs of the laptop for bridging mode in Virtual > Box. Then the guest OS will be able to access the real NIC directly. > > Anyways, just thought that I'd toss that out as alternative that would > allow you to try different Linux distros while running Windows. > > By the way, that's what I'm doing with my office system at work. It's > running Windows 7 (64 bit) and I have multiple virtual machines > created that I can run. Also, I've been meaning to do the same with > my personal laptop, but haven't gotten around to do it quite yet. > > John Ellyson > I have an Intel Wireless WiFi and then a Realtek RTL8168B NIC. It appears there is no Linux driver for that NIC, but I'm still looking. http://xpdrivers.com/network/_1_14.cfm Mike From rlharris at oplink.net Sat Aug 14 09:34:01 2010 From: rlharris at oplink.net (Russell L. Harris) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 17:34:01 +0100 Subject: [pm-h] Can't Move to Linux In-Reply-To: <20100814084743.5b70c447@sovvan> References: <4B87CC6A.2020800@att.net> <4C6693A9.1010201@att.net> <20100814084743.5b70c447@sovvan> Message-ID: <20100814163400.GA24549@rlharris.org> * G. Wade Johnson [100814 14:49]: > On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:01:29 -0500 > Mike Flannigan wrote: > > > > > > > On 2/26/2010 7:28 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote: > > > > > > I would like to get any flavor of Linux installed > > > to my older-generation computer. I have 2 > > > old computers: > > > x86 Family 6 Model 7 Stepping 3 AT/AT Compatible 130,596 KB Ram > > > Intel (R) 4 CPU 1400 MHz 130,352 KB Ram > There are a few distributions that give you a lot more control on the > installation. But, I wouldn't recommend them unless you are pretty > Linux-savvy already: Slackware, Gentoo. You could try Debian, but it's > the basis for Ubuntu and not nearly as friendly, so I would probably > recommend against it. As a Debian user since the year 2000, I would beg to differ, Wade. Over the past decade, Debian has become about the most user-friendly of all Linux distributions. And in many cases, the installation is all but automatic. So now you can have your Kate, and Edith, too. Also, Debian has gone to some lengths in order to accommodate older hardware. The only problem with Debian is that once you've become accustomed to Debian and the Debian software repositories, it is difficult to "make do" with another distribution. There are two basic approaches to installation: => Download one or more CD or DVD images; then you can install without an Internet connection. => Download a small installation CD image (called the "NETINST" CD); then the software which is required for your particular installation is downloaded over the Internet. A network installation takes about 15 minutes to get started (you need to make a few decisions, such as whether to manually partition the fixed drive or utilize the partitioner, and you need to enter a few items, such as user name, password, ip address). Then the download takes about an hour (this is over a DSL line). Finally, a decision or two is required regarding the boot loader and whether you wish the loader to boot other systems. Then reboot and enjoy. If you really wish to keep Window$ and multi-boot, I suggest you run over to the computer store and purchase a separate drive for Linux; this can save much grief, because of the quirks of M$ software. RLH From rlharris at oplink.net Sat Aug 14 10:56:35 2010 From: rlharris at oplink.net (Russell L. Harris) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 18:56:35 +0100 Subject: [pm-h] Can't Move to Linux In-Reply-To: <20100814163400.GA24549@rlharris.org> References: <4B87CC6A.2020800@att.net> <4C6693A9.1010201@att.net> <20100814084743.5b70c447@sovvan> <20100814163400.GA24549@rlharris.org> Message-ID: <20100814175635.GA32176@rlharris.org> One additional word of advice, irrespective of distribution: On an amd64 machine, the i386 version likely is going to be more satisfactory to you than the amd64 version, unless you have a pressing need for 64-bit processing. Each of the two versions is maintained by a different team, and the versions are not always in step. Of the two, the i386 is the more popular, and thus is less likely to have quirks. RLH From mikeflan at att.net Sat Aug 14 12:09:46 2010 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 14:09:46 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Can't Move to Linux In-Reply-To: <20100814175635.GA32176@rlharris.org> References: <4B87CC6A.2020800@att.net> <4C6693A9.1010201@att.net> <20100814084743.5b70c447@sovvan> <20100814163400.GA24549@rlharris.org> <20100814175635.GA32176@rlharris.org> Message-ID: <4C66E9FA.1020702@att.net> On 8/14/2010 12:56 PM, Russell L. Harris wrote: > One additional word of advice, irrespective of distribution: > > On an amd64 machine, the i386 version likely is going to be more > satisfactory to you than the amd64 version, unless you have a pressing > need for 64-bit processing. > > Each of the two versions is maintained by a different team, and the > versions are not always in step. Of the two, the i386 is the more > popular, and thus is less likely to have quirks. > > RLH Thanks. I too figured that was the case, so I stuck with the 32 bit Fedora. Mike From gwadej at anomaly.org Sun Aug 22 05:15:07 2010 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 07:15:07 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Can't Move to Linux In-Reply-To: <20100814163400.GA24549@rlharris.org> References: <4B87CC6A.2020800@att.net> <4C6693A9.1010201@att.net> <20100814084743.5b70c447@sovvan> <20100814163400.GA24549@rlharris.org> Message-ID: <20100822071507.2470cf46@sovvan> On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 17:34:01 +0100 "Russell L. Harris" wrote: > * G. Wade Johnson [100814 14:49]: > > On Sat, 14 Aug 2010 08:01:29 -0500 > > Mike Flannigan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On 2/26/2010 7:28 AM, Mike Flannigan wrote: > > > > > > > > I would like to get any flavor of Linux installed > > > > to my older-generation computer. I have 2 > > > > old computers: > > > > x86 Family 6 Model 7 Stepping 3 AT/AT Compatible 130,596 KB Ram > > > > Intel (R) 4 CPU 1400 MHz 130,352 KB Ram > > There are a few distributions that give you a lot more control on > > the installation. But, I wouldn't recommend them unless you are > > pretty Linux-savvy already: Slackware, Gentoo. You could try > > Debian, but it's the basis for Ubuntu and not nearly as friendly, > > so I would probably recommend against it. > > As a Debian user since the year 2000, I would beg to differ, Wade. > > Over the past decade, Debian has become about the most user-friendly > of all Linux distributions. And in many cases, the installation is > all but automatic. So now you can have your Kate, and Edith, too. I'll bow to your experience on this one. Mine is based on running the stable release from a few years ago. Everything seemed to be out of date and a bit awkward. Several people suggested I could fix all that by running the unstable release. But, I prefer to have a stable release for my main OS. It's probably been 4 years since I did that, so I'll allow Debian has probably improved. Thanks for the info. G. 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The goal is for junior programmers to know enough to automate simple tasks and understand how to extend this idea. More senior programmers might benefit from the reminder to automate simple jobs (it's somewhat easy to forget little programs when you work on massive, mission-critical stuff all day). As always, input and alternate views will be welcome. As usual for our technical meetings, we will meet at 3131 W. Alabama St in the lobby on the second level where you park. Please RSVP to me or the list ASAP, so we can get a head-count for food. I look forward to seeing you there. G. Wade -- As a software development model, Anarchy does not scale well. -- Dave Welch From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon Aug 30 20:20:28 2010 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:20:28 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] September Houston.pm Meeting In-Reply-To: <20100830221635.4ad8c153@sovvan> References: <20100830221635.4ad8c153@sovvan> Message-ID: <20100830222028.64f13bc6@sovvan> And because I hit send early, I still need to give the time. The meeting is a next Thursday (Sept 9). Parking is free on top of the garage and we'll gather in the lobby on that level between 6:30 and 6:50pm, and go up to the meeting from there. G. Wade On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:16:35 -0500 "G. Wade Johnson" wrote: > This month's meeting is a return to basics: Making the Computer Work > for You (or Programming for Non-Programmers). > > We've had a number of requests for some more entry-level > presentations, and this month we'll oblige. The general plan will be > to show you enough Perl to solve some basic problems, as well as walk > you through what you need to learn more. The goal is for junior > programmers to know enough to automate simple tasks and understand > how to extend this idea. > > More senior programmers might benefit from the reminder to automate > simple jobs (it's somewhat easy to forget little programs when you > work on massive, mission-critical stuff all day). As always, input and > alternate views will be welcome. > > As usual for our technical meetings, we will meet at 3131 W. Alabama > St in the lobby on the second level where you park. Please RSVP to me > or the list ASAP, so we can get a head-count for food. > > I look forward to seeing you there. > G. Wade -- Contrary to popular opinion, the plural of 'anecdote' is not 'fact'.