[pm-h] Programmer Editors (was 'January Meeting')

Will Willis will.willis at gmail.com
Sun Jan 4 19:31:56 PST 2009


1. emacs: and not because it's *better* than vi, I gave each about a day and
emacs made more sense. Like Todd, I've kinda refused to retrain my brain to
vi, but I know enough to get around as it's EVERYWHERE. Now I have to say
that I have not tried an emacs I've liked in the windows world, perhaps I
didn't invest the time to learn the differences.
2. TextMate: at home I use mac. I use emacs most of the time, but when
working on a project involving lots of files, where seeing the directory
structure helps, I will lazily drag the root folder into textmate. I've been
tinkering with Mojo lately, http://mojolicious.org/, being able to see my
templates folder, public folder, etc, etc makes for quick switching between
files. Anybody else playing with Mojo?

3. on windows: notepad++ / crimson editor. Like I mentioned in #1, I haven't
found an emacs I like on windows or I'd use that. I basically like the fact
that both of these editors have tabs and syntax hi-lighting. I don't utilize
many other features than that.

4. I recently installed Eclipse (again) but only to do some android
development. Sadly, I've only had the time to finish the "Hello World" app
:) Anyone else have an android phone out there? Anybody developing for it?
Overall, I'm not a fan of IDEs, like Wade, I don't feel like they help me
develop any better or faster, a properly tweaked emacs will do that for me,
but the longer I use emacs, the more I tend to stick with the vanilla
install and get more and more away from all the cool minor-modes that auto
perltidy, syntax check, etc, etc...



-Will


On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:02 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:

> On Sun, 4 Jan 2009 18:26:56 -0600
> "Todd Rinaldo" <toddr at null.net> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Robert Boone <robo4288 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > As you can tell I don't really care for IDE's, for me they mostly
> > > get in the way. I would rather build a working environment in an
> > > editor that let me do that in the way I think is best for me.
> >
> > I've gotta admit I'm surprised how many people feel a lack of interest
> > in access to IDEs. I find IDEs help me program/debug faster, as they
> > point out errors to me as I commit them, rather than 10+ minutes later
> > when I go to run the code. Usually there's little difference between
> > fixing the error before or after, but every once in a while, the
> > mistake is subtle enough that you end up spending much more time down
> > the road trying to figure out what tidbit of the code went wrong.
>
> I've used IDEs, including the Borland environments, Programmer's
> WorkBench (the IDE before Visual Studio), Forte, Visual Studio,
> NetBeans, and Eclipse.
>
> For editors, I've used M, ted, vim, TextMate, and edit. M and vim are
> the only two that had good enough macro and/or scripting capabilities
> to suit me.
>
> Honestly, I've never found that the IDE helps me program or debug
> faster. I suspect that it has more to do with a programmer's approach to
> code and way of thinking. Most IDEs seem too heavyweight to me. Most
> IDEs also don't support the programability that I find comfortable in a
> programmer editor.
>
> But I know people that really do very well with an IDE.
>
> One of the reasons I asked this question is to get us to talk about
> what makes this tool most useful to us. For instance, why does Todd
> feel that an IDE helps him program better and I don't. I would be that
> neither of us is wrong. Understanding different tools and how others
> work should make us better programmers.
>
> G. Wade
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