From gwadej at anomaly.org Tue May 2 05:08:53 2006 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 07:08:53 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May meeting Message-ID: <20060502070853.108d2c74@sovvan> Next Tuesday is the May Houston.pm meeting. We will be covering the conclusion of "What Every Perl Programmer Should Know: tips, tricks, and common knowledge". Feel free to bring (or send to the list) your favorite tip or trick (or, for that matter, any "common knowledge" you think too many people miss). We also need to decide on topics for the upcoming meetings. Send your suggestions or requests to the list or bring them to the meeting. If you know a Perl module particularly well or have an interesting program you would like to demonstrate, let us all know. G. Wade -- As a software development model, Anarchy does not scale well. -- Dave Welch From gwadej at anomaly.org Wed May 3 17:36:04 2006 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. 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Wade -- An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field. -- Niels Bohr From gwadej at anomaly.org Wed May 10 19:30:58 2006 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 21:30:58 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] A potential "adventure" for the group Message-ID: <20060510213058.77a3bd4a@sovvan> A couple of days ago, I received email from the leader of the bazosvalley.pm group asking if we would be interested in partnering on a big project. Jeremy suggested that we put in a proposal for bringing YAPC::NA (Yet Another Perl Conference: North America) to Houston in 2007. This year YAPC::NA is in Chicago. There is quite a bit of information about the bid process and Chicago's proposal on-line. If the group is interested, I'll post links and information on our website where everyone has access. This would be an opportunity to get some of the big names in Perl here where we can see them. It would also be an opportunity to go to one of these conferences without travel (for those who don't like to travel). It's also a way to try to increase interest in Perl around our city. All that being said, I don't think it is reasonable for one or two people to jump on this and try to make it happen. This should be a group effort. I'd hate to get YAPC::NA to come here and have the Perl community come to the conclusion that Houston doesn't have any people interested in the language. So the question for the group is: Are we ready and willing to take up the challenge? If so, we can ask for volunteers to handle different parts of the research. I know someone who has offered her writing skills to help us with a polished proposal (she can write, unlike many of us and has over a decade of experience with conferences). She's willing to provide anything from completely writing the proposal to editing a proposal that we author. What do you say, Houston.pm? Do we want to do this? G. Wade -- Why do your people ask if someone's ready right before you are going to do something massively unwise? -- Delenn - "The War without End" From will.willis at gmail.com Wed May 10 20:25:50 2006 From: will.willis at gmail.com (Will Willis) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:25:50 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] A potential "adventure" for the group In-Reply-To: <20060510213058.77a3bd4a@sovvan> References: <20060510213058.77a3bd4a@sovvan> Message-ID: <6ee1e6090605102025s5558bbd6nbfec5fb80ac1725a@mail.gmail.com> Let's do it! I'd be willing to help how ever I can! (except for directing traffic or anything else requiring me to be out in the heat ) I'm entertaining thoughts of heading up to this year's YAPC -- is anybody else going? -Will On 5/10/06, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > > A couple of days ago, I received email from the leader of the > bazosvalley.pm > group asking if we would be interested in partnering on a big project. > Jeremy > suggested that we put in a proposal for bringing YAPC::NA (Yet Another > Perl > Conference: North America) to Houston in 2007. > > This year YAPC::NA is in Chicago. There is quite a bit of information > about > the bid process and Chicago's proposal on-line. If the group is > interested, > I'll post links and information on our website where everyone has access. > > This would be an opportunity to get some of the big names in Perl here > where > we can see them. It would also be an opportunity to go to one of these > conferences without travel (for those who don't like to travel). It's also > a > way to try to increase interest in Perl around our city. > > All that being said, I don't think it is reasonable for one or two people > to > jump on this and try to make it happen. This should be a group effort. I'd > hate to get YAPC::NA to come here and have the Perl community come to the > conclusion that Houston doesn't have any people interested in the > language. > > So the question for the group is: > > Are we ready and willing to take up the challenge? > > If so, we can ask for volunteers to handle different parts of the > research. I > know someone who has offered her writing skills to help us with a polished > proposal (she can write, unlike many of us and has over a decade of > experience > with conferences). She's willing to provide anything from completely > writing > the proposal to editing a proposal that we author. > > What do you say, Houston.pm? Do we want to do this? > > G. Wade > -- > Why do your people ask if someone's ready right before you are going to do > something massively unwise? -- Delenn - "The War without End" > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/private/houston/attachments/20060510/5a2c37de/attachment.html From gwadej at anomaly.org Wed May 10 20:42:24 2006 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:42:24 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] A potential "adventure" for the group In-Reply-To: <6ee1e6090605102025s5558bbd6nbfec5fb80ac1725a@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060510213058.77a3bd4a@sovvan> <6ee1e6090605102025s5558bbd6nbfec5fb80ac1725a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060510224224.408dcf20@sovvan> On Wed, 10 May 2006 22:25:50 -0500 "Will Willis" wrote: > Let's do it! I'd be willing to help how ever I can! (except for directing > traffic or anything else requiring me to be out in the heat ) > > I'm entertaining thoughts of heading up to this year's YAPC -- is anybody > else going? > > -Will If you go, would you be willing to do a little research and report what it was like to the rest of us who can't go? This kind of information would be invaluable if we decide to make an attempt. G. Wade -- "any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from a Perl script." -- Programming Perl, 2nd ed. From will.willis at gmail.com Wed May 10 20:46:06 2006 From: will.willis at gmail.com (Will Willis) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 22:46:06 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] A potential "adventure" for the group In-Reply-To: <20060510224224.408dcf20@sovvan> References: <20060510213058.77a3bd4a@sovvan> <6ee1e6090605102025s5558bbd6nbfec5fb80ac1725a@mail.gmail.com> <20060510224224.408dcf20@sovvan> Message-ID: <6ee1e6090605102046p54c79a8aka161912e360aef49@mail.gmail.com> No problem at all! -Will On 5/10/06, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > > On Wed, 10 May 2006 22:25:50 -0500 > "Will Willis" wrote: > > > Let's do it! I'd be willing to help how ever I can! (except for > directing > > traffic or anything else requiring me to be out in the heat ) > > > > I'm entertaining thoughts of heading up to this year's YAPC -- is > anybody > > else going? > > > > -Will > > If you go, would you be willing to do a little research and report what it > was > like to the rest of us who can't go? > > This kind of information would be invaluable if we decide to make an > attempt. > > G. Wade > -- > "any technology sufficiently advanced is indistinguishable from a Perl > script." -- Programming Perl, 2nd ed. > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/private/houston/attachments/20060510/b1c81189/attachment.html From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Wed May 10 21:33:49 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 23:33:49 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] A potential "adventure" for the group In-Reply-To: <20060510213058.77a3bd4a@sovvan> References: <20060510213058.77a3bd4a@sovvan> Message-ID: <49d805d70605102133l718ab0a3v1b3fba8c458ea219@mail.gmail.com> > A couple of days ago, I received email from the leader of the bazosvalley.pm > group asking if we would be interested in partnering on a big project. Jeremy > suggested that we put in a proposal for bringing YAPC::NA (Yet Another Perl > Conference: North America) to Houston in 2007. > > This year YAPC::NA is in Chicago. There is quite a bit of information about > the bid process and Chicago's proposal on-line. If the group is interested, > I'll post links and information on our website where everyone has access. I'm helping host this year's YAPC in Chicago and would love to see you guys put in a bid for Houston next year. It's been a while since I've been to town and it would be nice to have an excuse to come back. As far as hosting the conference, it's really not that bad. Though I've had a steady increase in conference workload as the date draws nearer, it's still not overwhelming and there are only a few of us heavily involved now... though that is quickly changing as more tasks keep popping up. It's definitely worth it and best of all, you don't have to travel to the conference.... though I still encourage all of you to come up to YAPC::NA 2006 in Chicago ;) Josh From tigger at io.com Thu May 11 04:50:16 2006 From: tigger at io.com (Paul Archer) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 06:50:16 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [pm-h] A potential "adventure" for the group In-Reply-To: <20060510213058.77a3bd4a@sovvan> References: <20060510213058.77a3bd4a@sovvan> Message-ID: <20060511064634.G29133@eris.io.com> I'm not sure we're up to it--but I think we might be, and I think it would be a great way to get more people in Houston involved with the Houston PM group. For my part, I might be able to persuade Lincoln Stein (through an ex coworker who now works with him at Cold Spring Harbor) to put in a good word for us (assuming, of course, that he has any say or influence in the matter). He may be interested in having it in Houston so that he can visit us at HGSC while he's here. Paul Yesterday, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > A couple of days ago, I received email from the leader of the bazosvalley.pm > group asking if we would be interested in partnering on a big project. Jeremy > suggested that we put in a proposal for bringing YAPC::NA (Yet Another Perl > Conference: North America) to Houston in 2007. > > This year YAPC::NA is in Chicago. There is quite a bit of information about > the bid process and Chicago's proposal on-line. If the group is interested, > I'll post links and information on our website where everyone has access. > > This would be an opportunity to get some of the big names in Perl here where > we can see them. It would also be an opportunity to go to one of these > conferences without travel (for those who don't like to travel). It's also a > way to try to increase interest in Perl around our city. > > All that being said, I don't think it is reasonable for one or two people to > jump on this and try to make it happen. This should be a group effort. I'd > hate to get YAPC::NA to come here and have the Perl community come to the > conclusion that Houston doesn't have any people interested in the language. > > So the question for the group is: > > Are we ready and willing to take up the challenge? > > If so, we can ask for volunteers to handle different parts of the research. I > know someone who has offered her writing skills to help us with a polished > proposal (she can write, unlike many of us and has over a decade of experience > with conferences). She's willing to provide anything from completely writing > the proposal to editing a proposal that we author. > > What do you say, Houston.pm? Do we want to do this? > > G. Wade > -- > Why do your people ask if someone's ready right before you are going to do > something massively unwise? -- Delenn - "The War without End" > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > -------------------------------------------------------------------- A young man asks the rabbi about who is truly a wise man. The rabbi says: "Any dummy can be right 50% of the time. A wise man is right 60% of the time. Rabbi Rosenberg from Bialystok was right 75% of the time. However, if someone is right 90% of the time, it is very suspicious, and if someone is right 100% of the time, he must be a bad, violent criminal man, and you should avoid him like a plague". -------------------------------------------------------------------- From jeremy at msc.tamu.edu Thu May 11 06:34:58 2006 From: jeremy at msc.tamu.edu (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 08:34:58 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] A potential "adventure" for the group Message-ID: <0EFEDF9D507FF6409CE7B4D24B20E7BF0120D2DD@xchng.msc.tamu.edu> > Let's do it! I'd be willing to help how ever I can! (except for > directing traffic or anything else requiring me to > be out in the > heat ) :-D!! > I'm entertaining thoughts of heading up to this year's YAPC -- is > anybody else going? I'm hoping to go. I'm trying to get my department to cover the cost, but if that fails, I have to convince my wife (don't know how hard that'll be ). Also, for those interested, they are going to have a BOF (Bird's Of a Feather) session at the YAPC for people working on venue bids to answer questions or address any issues that they may have. Jeremy http://brazosvalley.pm.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/private/houston/attachments/20060511/08691d64/attachment-0001.html From gwadej at anomaly.org Fri May 12 05:33:58 2006 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:33:58 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC::NA Message-ID: <20060512073358.1d30ea5c@sovvan> We've heard from a few of our members, but I know there are more people on the list. What do the rest of you think about the idea of getting YAPC::NA here? G. Wade -- A tautology is a thing which is tautological. From Wayne.A.Haufler at boeing.com Fri May 12 14:04:35 2006 From: Wayne.A.Haufler at boeing.com (Haufler, Wayne A) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 16:04:35 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Houston Digest, Vol 18, Issue 5 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I'd be willing to help out some, even though I have yet to come to a meeting, even. (Sorry about that. Home life has been demanding, what with a son with cancer.) Such an opportunity to advocate Perl use in Houston, and in the NASA/JSC community in particular, would be welcome and exciting. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- Wayne A. Haufler Senior Software Engineer (SE) In Space Shuttle Program (SSP) Backup Flight System (BFS) Tools Group Boeing, NASA Systems, Houston Voice: 281-226-8626 , Cubicle: 1C23 E-mail: wayne.a.haufler at boeing.com Skills : Unix,Perl,C,C++,SQL,QNX,X-Windows (Disclaimer: The comments and opinions expressed are my own and do not represent the view of Boeing, United Space Alliance, JSC, or NASA.) -----Original Message----- From: houston-request at pm.org [mailto:houston-request at pm.org] Sent: Friday, May 12, 2006 2:00 PM To: houston at pm.org Subject: Houston Digest, Vol 18, Issue 5 Send Houston mailing list submissions to houston at pm.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to houston-request at pm.org You can reach the person managing the list at houston-owner at pm.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Houston digest..." Today's Topics: 1. YAPC::NA (G. Wade Johnson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 07:33:58 -0500 From: "G. Wade Johnson" Subject: [pm-h] YAPC::NA To: Houston Perl Mongers Message-ID: <20060512073358.1d30ea5c at sovvan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII We've heard from a few of our members, but I know there are more people on the list. What do the rest of you think about the idea of getting YAPC::NA here? G. Wade -- A tautology is a thing which is tautological. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Houston mailing list Houston at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston End of Houston Digest, Vol 18, Issue 5 ************************************** From gwadej at anomaly.org Fri May 12 21:47:28 2006 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 23:47:28 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May presentation is up Message-ID: <20060512234728.5ea315d7@sovvan> The website (http://houston.pm.org/) has been updated with the May presentation (http://houston.pm.org/talks/2006talks/0605Talk/). Once again, we need a topic for next month. Anybody working on a project they would like to present? Anybody very familiar with a module they would like to present? Based on some of the questions from the last few meetings, I can see a few other topics that might be of interest: 1. Favorite tools for programming in Perl - IDEs/editors - Debugging tools - Testing tools - Version control tools - etc. 2. Debugging techniques for Perl - Command line - CGI - mod_perl (maybe) 3. A survey of the group's favorite Perl modules. - We could probably whip up a quickie survey script to have people vote on-line for their favorite modules... or not. G. Wade -- Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius, and a lot of courage, to move in the opposite direction. -- Albert Einstein From tigger at io.com Sat May 13 05:02:03 2006 From: tigger at io.com (Paul Archer) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 07:02:03 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [pm-h] May presentation is up In-Reply-To: <20060512234728.5ea315d7@sovvan> References: <20060512234728.5ea315d7@sovvan> Message-ID: <20060513070123.E29133@eris.io.com> Yesterday, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > The website (http://houston.pm.org/) has been updated with the May > presentation (http://houston.pm.org/talks/2006talks/0605Talk/). > > Once again, we need a topic for next month. > > Anybody working on a project they would like to present? > > Anybody very familiar with a module they would like to present? > > Based on some of the questions from the last few meetings, I can see a few > other topics that might be of interest: > > 1. Favorite tools for programming in Perl > - IDEs/editors > - Debugging tools > - Testing tools > - Version control tools I could talk about Subversion--although it would be a short talk, since the basics can be covered in less than an hour, easy. Paul > - etc. > > 2. Debugging techniques for Perl > - Command line > - CGI > - mod_perl (maybe) > > 3. A survey of the group's favorite Perl modules. > - We could probably whip up a quickie survey script to have people vote > on-line for their favorite modules... or not. > > G. Wade > -- > Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more > violent. It takes a touch of genius, and a lot of courage, to move in the > opposite direction. -- Albert Einstein > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > --------------------------------------------------------------------- On the side of the software box, in the "System Requirements" section, it said "Requires Windows 95 or better". So I installed Linux. --------------------------------------------------------------------- From gwadej at anomaly.org Sat May 13 07:15:11 2006 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:15:11 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May presentation is up In-Reply-To: <20060513070123.E29133@eris.io.com> References: <20060512234728.5ea315d7@sovvan> <20060513070123.E29133@eris.io.com> Message-ID: <20060513091511.77ef6e3c@sovvan> On Sat, 13 May 2006 07:02:03 -0500 (CDT) Paul Archer wrote: [snip] > > 1. Favorite tools for programming in Perl > > - IDEs/editors > > - Debugging tools > > - Testing tools > > - Version control tools > I could talk about Subversion--although it would be a short talk, since the > basics can be covered in less than an hour, easy. In addition to the mechanics of using a particular system, I was thinking about also covering some more 'soft' topics: * how it changes/improves development workflow * ease of experimentation * diff debugging Some people only use version control when they are going to work in a group. Covering some of the advantages for an individual developer would be useful. Also comparing Subversion to other version control systems might be handy. Gee, have I gone overboard or what? [snip] G. Wade -- That's what I love about GUIs: They make simple tasks easier, and complex tasks impossible. -- John William Chambless, <39v25i$2rbc at whale.st.usm.edu> From rherron at imagination-software.com Sat May 13 07:42:00 2006 From: rherron at imagination-software.com (Russell Herron) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 09:42:00 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May presentation is up In-Reply-To: <20060513070123.E29133@eris.io.com> References: <20060512234728.5ea315d7@sovvan> <20060513070123.E29133@eris.io.com> Message-ID: <630E3DC3-9B99-48E3-92C6-611D562646D8@imagination-software.com> I would like to hear more about Subversion. Russell On May 13, 2006, at 7:02 AM, Paul Archer wrote: > Yesterday, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > >> The website (http://houston.pm.org/) has been updated with the May >> presentation (http://houston.pm.org/talks/2006talks/0605Talk/). >> >> Once again, we need a topic for next month. >> >> Anybody working on a project they would like to present? >> >> Anybody very familiar with a module they would like to present? >> >> Based on some of the questions from the last few meetings, I can >> see a few >> other topics that might be of interest: >> >> 1. Favorite tools for programming in Perl >> - IDEs/editors >> - Debugging tools >> - Testing tools >> - Version control tools > I could talk about Subversion--although it would be a short talk, > since the > basics can be covered in less than an hour, easy. > > Paul > > > >> - etc. >> >> 2. Debugging techniques for Perl >> - Command line >> - CGI >> - mod_perl (maybe) >> >> 3. A survey of the group's favorite Perl modules. >> - We could probably whip up a quickie survey script to have people >> vote >> on-line for their favorite modules... or not. >> >> G. Wade >> -- >> Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more >> violent. It takes a touch of genius, and a lot of courage, to move >> in the >> opposite direction. -- Albert Einstein >> _______________________________________________ >> Houston mailing list >> Houston at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston >> > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > On the side of the software box, in the "System Requirements" section, > it said "Requires Windows 95 or better". So I installed Linux. > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston From gwadej at anomaly.org Sat May 13 08:32:56 2006 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 10:32:56 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May presentation is up In-Reply-To: <630E3DC3-9B99-48E3-92C6-611D562646D8@imagination-software.com> References: <20060512234728.5ea315d7@sovvan> <20060513070123.E29133@eris.io.com> <630E3DC3-9B99-48E3-92C6-611D562646D8@imagination-software.com> Message-ID: <20060513103256.3a233048@sovvan> On Sat, 13 May 2006 09:42:00 -0500 Russell Herron wrote: > I would like to hear more about Subversion. Well, Paul. Do think you could do a Subversion talk next month? G. Wade -- If you like laws and sausages, you should never watch either one being made. -- Otto von Bismarck From tigger at io.com Sat May 13 15:11:07 2006 From: tigger at io.com (Paul Archer) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 17:11:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [pm-h] May presentation is up In-Reply-To: <20060513103256.3a233048@sovvan> References: <20060512234728.5ea315d7@sovvan> <20060513070123.E29133@eris.io.com> <630E3DC3-9B99-48E3-92C6-611D562646D8@imagination-software.com> <20060513103256.3a233048@sovvan> Message-ID: <20060513171008.R29133@eris.io.com> 10:32am, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > On Sat, 13 May 2006 09:42:00 -0500 > Russell Herron wrote: > >> I would like to hear more about Subversion. > > Well, Paul. > > Do think you could do a Subversion talk next month? > I think I could manage this. It'll be pretty easy to incorporate your angle of Subversion And The Single Developer, since that's how I use it most of the time. Paul ---------------------------------------------------------- The comparison seems to go like this: When you walk up to a unix box, it dares you to know how to get in, and once you do, it simply taunts you with a prompt. With Windows, the box suggests any number of things you might like to do, and then decides how it wants to get that done for you. It seems to me the Mac tells you what you want done, then does it for you and sends you on your way before you can do any damage. Turns out I'm a Unix guy. -- Jon Palmer ---------------------------------------------------------- From rherron at imagination-software.com Sat May 13 19:44:12 2006 From: rherron at imagination-software.com (Russell Herron) Date: Sat, 13 May 2006 21:44:12 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May presentation is up In-Reply-To: <20060513171008.R29133@eris.io.com> References: <20060512234728.5ea315d7@sovvan> <20060513070123.E29133@eris.io.com> <630E3DC3-9B99-48E3-92C6-611D562646D8@imagination-software.com> <20060513103256.3a233048@sovvan> <20060513171008.R29133@eris.io.com> Message-ID: The single developer situation would be perfect for my needs. Russell On May 13, 2006, at 5:11 PM, Paul Archer wrote: > 10:32am, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > >> On Sat, 13 May 2006 09:42:00 -0500 >> Russell Herron wrote: >> >>> I would like to hear more about Subversion. >> >> Well, Paul. >> >> Do think you could do a Subversion talk next month? >> > I think I could manage this. It'll be pretty easy to incorporate > your angle > of Subversion And The Single Developer, since that's how I use it > most of > the time. > > Paul > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > The comparison seems to go like this: When you walk up to > a unix box, it dares you to know how to get in, and once > you do, it simply taunts you with a prompt. With Windows, > the box suggests any number of things you might like to > do, and then decides how it wants to get that done for > you. It seems to me the Mac tells you what you want done, > then does it for you and sends you on your way before you > can do any damage. Turns out I'm a Unix guy. -- Jon Palmer > ---------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston From mikeflan at earthlink.net Sun May 14 18:25:33 2006 From: mikeflan at earthlink.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sun, 14 May 2006 20:25:33 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May presentation is up References: <20060512234728.5ea315d7@sovvan> Message-ID: <4467D88D.411C3347@earthlink.net> "G. Wade Johnson" wrote: > The website (http://houston.pm.org/) has been updated with the May > presentation (http://houston.pm.org/talks/2006talks/0605Talk/). > > Once again, we need a topic for next month. > > Anybody working on a project they would like to present? > > Anybody very familiar with a module they would like to present? > > Based on some of the questions from the last few meetings, I can see a few > other topics that might be of interest: > > 1. Favorite tools for programming in Perl > - IDEs/editors > - Debugging tools > - Testing tools > - Version control tools > - etc. > > 2. Debugging techniques for Perl > - Command line > - CGI > - mod_perl (maybe) > > 3. A survey of the group's favorite Perl modules. > - We could probably whip up a quickie survey script to have people vote > on-line for their favorite modules... or not. > > G. Wade I don't come to the meetings much anymore either, but I like the idea of covering Perl tools and modules. My favorite modules? I use Win32::Clipboard quite a bit. I also use many of the Geo modules, and Archive::Zip. The latter one is terrible, but I use it some. You would think with all the Perl stuff I do I would use more modules. I use a few that I wrote, but not too many from the community. There are a lot of web pages on subversion, but I couldn't figure out what it was. I see it can be used for Version and Source Control, amongst other things. Mike From peterbotros at yahoo.com Mon May 15 04:42:45 2006 From: peterbotros at yahoo.com (Peter botros) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 04:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pm-h] Houston Digest, Vol 18, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060515114245.65615.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> I need to get a web crawler, go to a web page "url" and get some info by using a criteria like what follows a "word:" Thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon May 15 05:08:25 2006 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 07:08:25 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May presentation is up In-Reply-To: <4467D88D.411C3347@earthlink.net> References: <20060512234728.5ea315d7@sovvan> <4467D88D.411C3347@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060515070825.2b69049f@sovvan> On Sun, 14 May 2006 20:25:33 -0500 Mike Flannigan wrote: > > "G. Wade Johnson" wrote: > [snip] > > 3. A survey of the group's favorite Perl modules. > > - We could probably whip up a quickie survey script to have people vote > > on-line for their favorite modules... or not. > > > > G. Wade > > I don't come to the meetings much anymore either, but I > like the idea of covering Perl tools and modules. My > favorite modules? I use Win32::Clipboard quite a bit. > > I also use many of the Geo modules, and Archive::Zip. > The latter one is terrible, but I use it some. Would you be willing to do a presentation or write something up on the modules you use? (A quick blurb hitting the high points would be good.) > You would think with all the Perl stuff I do I would > use more modules. I use a few that I wrote, but not > too many from the community. It seems a lot of people find themselves in that state. > There are a lot of web pages on subversion, but I > couldn't figure out what it was. I see it can be used > for Version and Source Control, amongst other things. Maybe you could come to Paul's talk, and learn more. G. Wade -- A product's only late once, but it can suck forever. -- Ben Spees, Ambrosia Software From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon May 15 05:13:16 2006 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Mon, 15 May 2006 07:13:16 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Houston Digest, Vol 18, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: <20060515114245.65615.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060515114245.65615.qmail@web52212.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060515071316.02595495@sovvan> On Mon, 15 May 2006 04:42:45 -0700 (PDT) Peter botros wrote: > > I need to get a web crawler, go to a web page "url" > and get some info by using a criteria like what > follows a "word:" > > Thanks I've done things like this before using LWP and HTML::Parser or HTML::TreeBuilder. This approach would probably handle what you are looking for. My current favorite tool for this kind of job is WWW::Mechanize, which supports more advanced website traversal than just going to a single page. Anybody else have a suggestion? G. Wade -- Always hold a grudge. Keeps the memory sharp. -- Hagar the Horrible From mikeflan at earthlink.net Thu May 18 19:09:10 2006 From: mikeflan at earthlink.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 21:09:10 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May presentation is up References: <20060512234728.5ea315d7@sovvan> <4467D88D.411C3347@earthlink.net> <20060515070825.2b69049f@sovvan> Message-ID: <446D28C6.1A8BE176@earthlink.net> "G. Wade Johnson" wrote: > Would you be willing to do a presentation or write something up on the modules > you use? (A quick blurb hitting the high points would be good.) I think I did too much talking :-) I'm not going to be giving a presentation anytime real soon, but maybe someday. I wrote those modules more than 2 years ago and I don't fully know totally how they work anymore. I need to study them someday and write up some documentation on them. I do use them every day. Usually dozens of times per day. The best one does a pretty good multi-field search of flat text file databases with 2,000,000+ records. Many different Perl scripts call it, and it has this line: my (undef, $filename, undef) = caller; # Store calling filename for later processing (i.e. "noprint" and "wpdbs") to determine the calling program and do different things for different calling programs. Pretty basic stuff. There is a lot of math in the thing, and a fair bit of logic. It is about 300 lines longs. I thought I only wrote one module, but I just found 2 others. I use them and forget about them :-) They must be fairly good. > > > You would think with all the Perl stuff I do I would > > use more modules. I use a few that I wrote, but not > > too many from the community. > > It seems a lot of people find themselves in that state. > > > There are a lot of web pages on subversion, but I > > couldn't figure out what it was. I see it can be used > > for Version and Source Control, amongst other things. > > Maybe you could come to Paul's talk, and learn more. From gwadej at anomaly.org Thu May 18 20:00:44 2006 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Thu, 18 May 2006 22:00:44 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] May presentation is up In-Reply-To: <446D28C6.1A8BE176@earthlink.net> References: <20060512234728.5ea315d7@sovvan> <4467D88D.411C3347@earthlink.net> <20060515070825.2b69049f@sovvan> <446D28C6.1A8BE176@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060518220044.413662b7@sovvan> On Thu, 18 May 2006 21:09:10 -0500 Mike Flannigan wrote: > > "G. Wade Johnson" wrote: > > > Would you be willing to do a presentation or write something up on the > > modules you use? (A quick blurb hitting the high points would be good.) > > I think I did too much talking :-) > > I'm not going to be giving a presentation anytime real soon, > but maybe someday. I wrote those modules more than > 2 years ago and I don't fully know totally how they work > anymore. I need to study them someday and write up > some documentation on them. [snip] Any time you or anyone finds that they have a technique, module, project, whatever that you use a lot, there's a pretty good chance that someone else has never seen it (and possibly desparately needs it). A large part of the purpose of the meetings is to spread around any knowledge that we have. On the other hand, I don't want to pressure anyone into presenting if they don't want to. On the gripping hand, if you feel an overwhelming urge to study one of these modules and/or write it up and present it, I'm sure people in the group will benefit from it. G. Wade -- Results are what you wanted, consequences are what you got. -- Michael VanDusen From mikeflan at earthlink.net Sat May 20 12:28:47 2006 From: mikeflan at earthlink.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sat, 20 May 2006 14:28:47 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] A potential "adventure" for the group References: <20060510213058.77a3bd4a@sovvan> Message-ID: <446F6DEE.65A9504F@earthlink.net> "G. Wade Johnson" wrote: > A couple of days ago, I received email from the leader of the bazosvalley.pm > group asking if we would be interested in partnering on a big project. Jeremy > suggested that we put in a proposal for bringing YAPC::NA (Yet Another Perl > Conference: North America) to Houston in 2007. > > This year YAPC::NA is in Chicago. There is quite a bit of information about > the bid process and Chicago's proposal on-line. If the group is interested, > I'll post links and information on our website where everyone has access. > > This would be an opportunity to get some of the big names in Perl here where > we can see them. It would also be an opportunity to go to one of these > conferences without travel (for those who don't like to travel). It's also a > way to try to increase interest in Perl around our city. > > All that being said, I don't think it is reasonable for one or two people to > jump on this and try to make it happen. This should be a group effort. I'd > hate to get YAPC::NA to come here and have the Perl community come to the > conclusion that Houston doesn't have any people interested in the language. > > So the question for the group is: > > Are we ready and willing to take up the challenge? > > If so, we can ask for volunteers to handle different parts of the research. I > know someone who has offered her writing skills to help us with a polished > proposal (she can write, unlike many of us and has over a decade of experience > with conferences). She's willing to provide anything from completely writing > the proposal to editing a proposal that we author. > > What do you say, Houston.pm? Do we want to do this? I think it is a great idea. I can't say I'm going to help with the effort much, but I hope it happens. Wouldn't we need to amass some funds to accomplish this? Where is that going to come from? Mike From gwadej at anomaly.org Sat May 20 22:20:17 2006 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 00:20:17 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] A potential "adventure" for the group In-Reply-To: <446F6DEE.65A9504F@earthlink.net> References: <20060510213058.77a3bd4a@sovvan> <446F6DEE.65A9504F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060521002017.6d6a5ddf@sovvan> On Sat, 20 May 2006 14:28:47 -0500 Mike Flannigan wrote: [snip] > I think it is a great idea. I can't say I'm going to help with > the effort much, but I hope it happens. Wouldn't we need > to amass some funds to accomplish this? Where is that > going to come from? According to the information on the YAPC website about this year's proposal, Chicago worked out the numbers assuming a given registration fee. Presumably, this was to show that it could work even without external funding. The YAPC site (http://www.yapcchicago.org/) also shows several corporate sponsors that are helping in various ways. If the group shows enough interest to make it worthwhile, we can probably track down a few companies in Houston that would be willing to sponsor in some way. (Maybe some of us work for companies that would be interested?) At the moment, we seem to have less than a dozen people showing interest. The mailing list has 61 email addresses listed. If the ones that have responded are the only ones interested, this could be quite a bit of work for those few people. With more interest, the load would be easier. I honestly don't know how much work we, as the "hosting" group, would need to do. It could range from providing information to the Perl Foundation on the specific venues and helping to track down corporate sponsors, all the way to running the conference itself. We currently have some people who have volunteered to track down some of this information. Personally, I would love to see YAPC come here. I would like to be able to show the Perl community that Houston is interested in Perl. I'd also like to show Houston companies some of the Perl community in Houston and outside it. G. Wade -- Reality is just a convenient measure of complexity. -- Alvy Ray Smith From sonali at technozant.com Mon May 22 09:08:06 2006 From: sonali at technozant.com (Sonali Nimbagiri) Date: 22 May 2006 12:08:06 -0400 Subject: [pm-h] Perl Position Message-ID: <21441394.1148314086052.JavaMail.cfservice@WEBSERVER22> Hello, One of our clients in Austin is looking to hire couple of senior perl programmers. These are contract to hire or direct hire positions and given below is the job description. Please let me know if any of you would be interested in this position or if you can refer someone you know. Thanks Sonali Technozant 773-693-0147 sonali at technozant.com www.technozant.com Our client is looking for an experienced Perl programmer to maintain and develop software for our high availability, high traffic web applications. If you are a Senior level Engineer with a ?do-what-it-takes? attitude, and you thrive on making a difference then this is the place for you. Based in Austin, Texas, Our client supports and develops full-service shipping technologies for Fortune 100 companies, and major European carriers. This position will give you the opportunity to work closely with our local development team as well as with other groups in the US and Europe. We combine the advantages of a dynamic, high-energy start-up environment in a small team locally with the perks of a large multi-national parent corporation with financial stability and great employee benefits. Your key responsibilities will include: ? Designing and developing software used by thousands of users a day according to functional and technical design specifications ? Maintaining software currently used by major corporations and carriers ? Working closely with various teams- business, QA, operations, development to design and develop new products ? Brainstorming with other brilliant people to change the future of online shipping ? Enjoying your job and having fun at work Skills required: ? 3-5 years programming experience with an emphasis on web based applications ? Advanced knowledge of Perl combined with strong Javascript experience ? Familiarity with Unix/Linux environment and SQL ? Solid, demonstrated problem solving skills ? Excellent written and verbal communication skills ? The ability to multi-task and meet deadlines in a fast-paced, dynamic environment ? Must have a strong work ethic and be a fast learner/self starter Experience desired: ? Some Java is desirable but not required ? Some experience/familiarity with Mason or emb Perl ? Knowledge of XML technologies/languages and APIs for processing XML ? Knowledge of client technologies including XHTML/CSS ? Experience with Apache/Tomcat, mod_perl, CVS, AJAX ? Some project lead experience highly desired What we offer to our employees: ? Competitive compensation including base salary and bonus potential ? Excellent benefits including medical, dental, vision and life insurance ? 401(k) plan with generous matching and no vesting requirement ? Dynamic, cohesive work environment with people who enjoy working with each other ? Small startup company environment plus a stable, profitable parent company ? Opportunity to work with diverse group of people in Europe as well as the US ? Convenient nearly downtown office ? Free breakfast tacos every Friday! Our client is an Equal Opportunity/Affirmative Action Employer, M/F/D/V. Must be eligible for employment in the United States as a U.S. citizen or permanent resident. Local candidates strongly preferred although relocation can be considered for the perfect candidate. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/private/houston/attachments/20060522/ac7061b4/attachment.html From gwadej at anomaly.org Tue May 23 18:30:56 2006 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:30:56 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Job postings on Houston.pm Message-ID: <20060523203056.20e16494@sovvan> Yesterday, a consulting firm posted a job listing on the mailing list after requesting an account on the list. In the past, all job listings have come from people who contacted someone on the list and asked if the person would post for them. This allowed at least one level of filter to stop the "You can make money at home" type postings. I think we have always forwarded job listings that we received, since none were out of line. I have also followed the policy of always approving anyone who requests to join the list. Although this posting was probably reasonable for the list, it does point out the fact that we have been very trusting. Do you (the members) have any problems with postings of this kind? If anyone feels this is a problem, we can try to take measures. If you feel that it is a useful service, I can encourage other recruiters or consulting firms when they contact me off-list. Any thoughts? G. Wade -- The purpose of software engineering is to control complexity, not to create it. -- Pamela Zave From gwadej at anomaly.org Tue May 23 18:38:49 2006 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 20:38:49 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston? Message-ID: <20060523203849.020eb3a3@sovvan> I've been doing a little research and talking to a few people and it looks like we could actually pull this off. If we want to pursue attempting to bring YAPC::NA to Houston, we need some research and ideas in the next few weeks to a month and some time spent writing a proposal. We would need to evaluate venues for the conference itself and track down some potential sponsors. It sounds like this could be handled by a handful of people in the early stages. If YAPC did come here we would probably need more volunteers to help at the conference with various facilitation and people directing roles. We also probably want to choose a person to take the lead on the proposal and organization. Anyone interested? For those that are interested, should we try to coordinate this stuff on this list or work through other channels (maybe a separate mailing list)? For those who are not interested in the workings of the conference, would you be too bothered if conference business happened on the list and at the regular meetings? G. Wade -- Always hold a grudge. Keeps the memory sharp. -- Hagar the Horrible From Lewis at Alumni.Duke.edu Tue May 23 21:31:16 2006 From: Lewis at Alumni.Duke.edu (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Tue, 23 May 2006 23:31:16 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston? In-Reply-To: <20060523203849.020eb3a3@sovvan> References: <20060523203849.020eb3a3@sovvan> Message-ID: <016D7534-D57C-4F64-9983-05FAC26F6AB2@Alumni.Duke.edu> On May 23, 2006, at 8:38 PM, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > I've been doing a little research and talking to a few people and > it looks > like we could actually pull this off. > > If we want to pursue attempting to bring YAPC::NA to Houston, we > need some > research and ideas in the next few weeks to a month and some time > spent > writing a proposal. > > We would need to evaluate venues for the conference itself and > track down > some potential sponsors. > > It sounds like this could be handled by a handful of people in the > early > stages. If YAPC did come here we would probably need more > volunteers to help > at the conference with various facilitation and people directing > roles. > > We also probably want to choose a person to take the lead on the > proposal and > organization. Anyone interested? I don't know if it helps to organize YAPC events through a nonprofit organization, but if it would help the tax position of donors/ sponsors or would improve the credibility of the project (or future projects) I can give some help setting up an organization and obtaining recognition as a tax exempt organization. I'd guess an educational purpose might suit a local Perl organization. Among the shoestring charities I've helped in this way is the Houston Underwater Hockey Trust, which has been listed in IRS Pub. 78 for some time now. My code might not be much to look at, but my law license still works :-) Let me know if there's interest. I'd need to know who to contact about matters of internal organization; and it might be useful for some thinking to be done along those lines anyway as this is being set up. Benefits of tax exempt status include organizational ability to buy sales-tax free; property ownership without county property taxes; and the ability to be cash positive on YAPC::Houston without giving anybody a nasty federal income tax bill. Best regards, Chris From gwadej at anomaly.org Wed May 24 05:07:08 2006 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 07:07:08 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston? In-Reply-To: <016D7534-D57C-4F64-9983-05FAC26F6AB2@Alumni.Duke.edu> References: <20060523203849.020eb3a3@sovvan> <016D7534-D57C-4F64-9983-05FAC26F6AB2@Alumni.Duke.edu> Message-ID: <20060524070708.77d45ef0@sovvan> On Tue, 23 May 2006 23:31:16 -0500 "Christopher D. Lewis" wrote: [snip] > I don't know if it helps to organize YAPC events through a nonprofit > organization, but if it would help the tax position of donors/ > sponsors or would improve the credibility of the project (or future > projects) I can give some help setting up an organization and > obtaining recognition as a tax exempt organization. I'd guess an > educational purpose might suit a local Perl organization. Thanks for the offer, Chris. But, as I understand it, The Perl Foundation provides 501.3c status for the conference. They also handle a bank account for registration funds and such to go through the non-profit. I don't understand the details myself, but having access to someone who does would be a major comfort. > Among the shoestring charities I've helped in this way is the Houston > Underwater Hockey Trust, which has been listed in IRS Pub. 78 for > some time now. My code might not be much to look at, but my law > license still works :-) Sounds like a useful thing to have. > Let me know if there's interest. I'd need to know who to contact > about matters of internal organization; and it might be useful for > some thinking to be done along those lines anyway as this is being > set up. Benefits of tax exempt status include organizational ability > to buy sales-tax free; property ownership without county property > taxes; and the ability to be cash positive on YAPC::Houston without > giving anybody a nasty federal income tax bill. If it looks like we can put together a proposal, it might be helpful if you could talk with the appropriate people with TPF to make sure we've got all our bases covered in that area. G. Wade -- DON'T PANIC! I'm a trained professional, and far more qualified to panic in this situation than you are. From Lewis at Alumni.Duke.edu Wed May 24 06:57:28 2006 From: Lewis at Alumni.Duke.edu (Christopher D. Lewis) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 08:57:28 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston? In-Reply-To: <20060524070708.77d45ef0@sovvan> References: <20060523203849.020eb3a3@sovvan> <016D7534-D57C-4F64-9983-05FAC26F6AB2@Alumni.Duke.edu> <20060524070708.77d45ef0@sovvan> Message-ID: <68BDF616-B1F8-4AEE-8E5B-F1166E7DEDCE@Alumni.Duke.edu> On May 24, 2006, at 7:07 AM, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > Thanks for the offer, Chris. But, as I understand it, The Perl > Foundation > provides 501.3c status for the conference. They also handle a bank > account for > registration funds and such to go through the non-profit. I don't > understand > the details myself, but having access to someone who does would be > a major > comfort. If the Perl Foundation "sponsors" it and you run it, you just need to know who you talk to about depositing and spending money (and whatever organizational issues may come up, like ... do they want one of the folks from the national organization involved in the local arrangements as a condition of its involvement, etc.). They could create a local account for the duration of the planning through the winding up of the project with someone here signing checks on it, or they could appoint someone as a liaison to interface between local folks and Perl Foundation money, with a PF officer writing and depositing checks for the event. Just find out what the deal is. It's probably pretty simple, but they need to be able to account to the IRS for all the income and expenses (they have a reporting obligation even if they don't have to pay income tax on event revenues). I've seen people run events off a roll of cash (collecting entry fees and paying expenses from a wad of greenbacks in their pocket), and accounting for it all later is well-neigh impossible. > If it looks like we can put together a proposal, it might be > helpful if you > could talk with the appropriate people with TPF to make sure we've > got all our > bases covered in that area. Now there are two things to figure out: how is local coordination organized, and who in the local organization will interface with whom at the PF. When you buy stuff for YAPC, make sure you've got its identifying numbers to give to merchants from whom you want to make tax exempt purchases. If you actually want a tax exempt number from the state, you will need a copy of the letter the IRS sent PF recognizing its tax status. Enjoying the existing 501(c)(3) will be easier than rolling your own. Also, when it packs up and leaves you don't have reporting obligations to the IRS that catch you by surprise the following spring. Best regards, Chris From jeremy at msc.tamu.edu Wed May 24 07:18:30 2006 From: jeremy at msc.tamu.edu (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:18:30 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston? Message-ID: <0EFEDF9D507FF6409CE7B4D24B20E7BF0120D331@xchng.msc.tamu.edu> > If we want to pursue attempting to bring YAPC::NA to Houston, we need some > research and ideas in the next few weeks to a month and some time spent > writing a proposal. Of course I'm all in if that's still an option. ;-) > We would need to evaluate venues for the conference itself and track down > some potential sponsors. Looking back on all of the previous YAPC::NA, it has always been held at a university. As I mentioned to Wade off-list, I looked into the University of Houston as an option. I have contact information for those in charge of housing (dorms; as per one of the preferred venue requirements) and the University Center complex. I've also been contacted by their Conference Coordinator, Chris Arnold. I have room sizes and prices, but it looks like finding enough of the right size rooms may prove difficult. I've also been made aware by a few people (including my wife) that UofH may not be in the best of neighborhoods. Regarding sponsorship, I know that there are several companies in Houston that have posted jobs on jobs.perl.org, as well as Monster (and other job sites). I'm sure they would be interested. Also, looking at Chicago's proposal, they wrote it showing the conference could pay for itself and still have some money left over (their numbers didn't include sponsorship at the time). Including possible sponsorship early on could possibly be a HUGE plus on the bid proposal. > It sounds like this could be handled by a handful of people in the early > stages. If YAPC did come here we would probably need more volunteers to > help at the conference with various facilitation and people directing > roles. I would think that working with several student organizations and their advisors that I would be able to find a good number of 'student' volunteers to help with things. I've been told by one advisor that we could possibly have a pool of around 300 to choose from, if needed, just in his group alone. > We also probably want to choose a person to take the lead on the proposal > and organization. Anyone interested? Of course I would love to, but not being 'in' Houston would probably be a hindrance and I might not be the caliber needed to do it. Consider me a definite failsafe. ;-) Unless Wade or someone else takes it, I'm definitely there to take on the role. Thanks, Jeremy From jeremy at msc.tamu.edu Wed May 24 07:25:32 2006 From: jeremy at msc.tamu.edu (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:25:32 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston? Message-ID: <0EFEDF9D507FF6409CE7B4D24B20E7BF0120D332@xchng.msc.tamu.edu> > Thanks for the offer, Chris. But, as I understand it, The Perl Foundation > provides 501.3c status for the conference. They also handle a bank account > for registration funds and such to go through the non-profit. I don't > understand the details myself, but having access to someone who does would > be a major comfort. Jim Brandt is the Conference Chair for The Perl Foundation. He, along with his six other Conference Committee members, should be available to help. I'm also pretty sure that Josh and the other previous hosts would be able to help clarify things and answer questions, if needed. Jeremy From jeremy at msc.tamu.edu Wed May 24 07:33:43 2006 From: jeremy at msc.tamu.edu (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 09:33:43 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston? Message-ID: <0EFEDF9D507FF6409CE7B4D24B20E7BF0120D333@xchng.msc.tamu.edu> > > We would need to evaluate venues for the conference itself and track > > down some potential sponsors. > > Looking back on all of the previous YAPC::NA, it has always been held > at a university. As I mentioned to Wade off-list, I looked into the > University of Houston as an option. I have contact information for > those in charge of housing (dorms; as per one of the preferred venue > requirements) and the University Center complex. I've also been > contacted by their Conference Coordinator, Chris Arnold. I have room > sizes and prices, but it looks like finding enough of the right size > rooms may prove difficult. I also received a copy of the Houston Meeting Planners Guide in the mail last week. I haven't had a chance to read through all of it yet, but it's pretty heavy. ;-) Besides the venue information, it has a lot of information that could be used when writing the proposal (attractions, hotels, transportation, dining, etc.). Jeremy From gwadej at anomaly.org Wed May 24 16:16:50 2006 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 18:16:50 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston? In-Reply-To: <0EFEDF9D507FF6409CE7B4D24B20E7BF0120D331@xchng.msc.tamu.edu> References: <0EFEDF9D507FF6409CE7B4D24B20E7BF0120D331@xchng.msc.tamu.edu> Message-ID: <20060524181650.2704fb36@sovvan> On Wed, 24 May 2006 09:18:30 -0500 "Jeremy Fluhmann" wrote: > > If we want to pursue attempting to bring YAPC::NA to Houston, we need > some > > research and ideas in the next few weeks to a month and some time > spent > > writing a proposal. > > Of course I'm all in if that's still an option. ;-) Of course. > > We would need to evaluate venues for the conference itself and track > down > > some potential sponsors. > > Looking back on all of the previous YAPC::NA, it has always been held at > a university. As I mentioned to Wade off-list, I looked into the > University of Houston as an option. I have contact information for > those in charge of housing (dorms; as per one of the preferred venue > requirements) and the University Center complex. I've also been > contacted by their Conference Coordinator, Chris Arnold. I have room > sizes and prices, but it looks like finding enough of the right size > rooms may prove difficult. I've also been made aware by a few people > (including my wife) that UofH may not be in the best of neighborhoods. Based on the suggestions from TPF about the need for mass transit because conference attendees probably won't be driving, my wife and I were talking about either UofH Downtown or Rice. Both are near the MetroRail. (Which is significantly nicer to ride than the busses.) The MetroRail also runs near the museum district and theater district, giving things to do outside the conference. I rememeber the neighborhood around UH central campus and I'm not sure I would want that to be what people see of our city. I like the campus, but just off campus can be a completely different world. > Regarding sponsorship, I know that there are several companies in > Houston that have posted jobs on jobs.perl.org, as well as Monster (and > other job sites). I'm sure they would be interested. Also, looking at > Chicago's proposal, they wrote it showing the conference could pay for > itself and still have some money left over (their numbers didn't include > sponsorship at the time). Including possible sponsorship early on could > possibly be a HUGE plus on the bid proposal. Good thought. > > It sounds like this could be handled by a handful of people in the > early > > stages. If YAPC did come here we would probably need more volunteers > to > > help at the conference with various facilitation and people directing > > roles. > > I would think that working with several student organizations and their > advisors that I would be able to find a good number of 'student' > volunteers to help with things. I've been told by one advisor that we > could possibly have a pool of around 300 to choose from, if needed, just > in his group alone. That would solve our manpower problems during the conference. > > We also probably want to choose a person to take the lead on the > proposal > > and organization. Anyone interested? > > Of course I would love to, but not being 'in' Houston would probably be > a hindrance and I might not be the caliber needed to do it. Consider me > a definite failsafe. ;-) Unless Wade or someone else takes it, I'm > definitely there to take on the role. Based on enthusiasm alone, I think you are a strong nominee. G. Wade -- The user's going to pick dancing pigs over security every time. -- Bruce Schneier From jeremy at msc.tamu.edu Thu May 25 12:28:11 2006 From: jeremy at msc.tamu.edu (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 14:28:11 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston? Message-ID: <0EFEDF9D507FF6409CE7B4D24B20E7BF0120D337@xchng.msc.tamu.edu> > Based on the suggestions from TPF about the need for mass transit because > conference attendees probably won't be driving, my wife and I were talking > about either UofH Downtown or Rice. Both are near the MetroRail. (Which is > significantly nicer to ride than the busses.) > > The MetroRail also runs near the museum district and theater district, > giving things to do outside the conference. I rememeber the That would be better. I just looked at the UofH-Downtown site and the room sizes and location are great! If it's a possibility, there would be quite a bit of flexibility as far as rooms go (lecture halls, auditorium, conference rooms, etc). I've been trying to think about out some "housing" options since they don't have dorms. I started looking through Rice's site and noticed that their Student Center probably wouldn't be an option (capacity and cost), but what about one of their other buildings? Such as Duncan Hall or the Space Science Building. Duncan Hall - Duncan Hall is a three story building that sits on the corner of Rice's Engineering Quadrangle. I went to Duncan Hall's "unofficial" site and noticed that it had an auditorium and some "lecture" rooms. I'm unsure of the capacity, or if it would even be an option, but it might. I found it by looking through some of the conferences at Rice and which buildings they were in. > > > We also probably want to choose a person to take the lead on the > > > proposal and organization. Anyone interested? > > > > Of course I would love to, but not being 'in' Houston would probably be > > a hindrance and I might not be the caliber needed to do it. Consider me > > a definite failsafe. ;-) Unless Wade or someone else takes it, I'm > > definitely there to take on the role. > > Based on enthusiasm alone, I think you are a strong nominee. What I lack in Perl, I make up for in enthusiasm. ;-) Jeremy From tigger at io.com Thu May 25 13:06:41 2006 From: tigger at io.com (Paul Archer) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:06:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston? In-Reply-To: <0EFEDF9D507FF6409CE7B4D24B20E7BF0120D337@xchng.msc.tamu.edu> References: <0EFEDF9D507FF6409CE7B4D24B20E7BF0120D337@xchng.msc.tamu.edu> Message-ID: <20060525150520.O9830@fnord.io.com> 2:28pm, Jeremy Fluhmann wrote: >> >> The MetroRail also runs near the museum district and theater district, >> giving things to do outside the conference. I rememeber the > > That would be better. I just looked at the UofH-Downtown site and the > room sizes and location are great! If it's a possibility, there would > be quite a bit of flexibility as far as rooms go (lecture halls, > auditorium, conference rooms, etc). I've been trying to think about out > some "housing" options since they don't have dorms. Metrorail runs south through the Medical Center. There are several hotels to choose from on the rail line. paul From jeremy at msc.tamu.edu Thu May 25 13:55:12 2006 From: jeremy at msc.tamu.edu (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:55:12 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston? Message-ID: <0EFEDF9D507FF6409CE7B4D24B20E7BF0120D33B@xchng.msc.tamu.edu> >>> The MetroRail also runs near the museum district and theater district, >>> giving things to do outside the conference. I rememeber the >> >> That would be better. I just looked at the UofH-Downtown site and the >> room sizes and location are great! If it's a possibility, there would >> be quite a bit of flexibility as far as rooms go (lecture halls, >> auditorium, conference rooms, etc). I've been trying to think about out >> some "housing" options since they don't have dorms. > > Metrorail runs south through the Medical Center. There are several hotels > to choose from on the rail line. Good, I'll try to do some research and get some pricing breakdowns. Do you know of any inexpensive accommodations along there close to the campus? I know that in the venue requirements, they want to have some inexpensive, dorm-style housing available. They mention a hostel, and I know that Houston has one, but I was going to try to find another alternative as well. I believe $55 for on-campus is the lowest rate (besides the Hostel) for this year's YAPC. Jeremy From sisk at mojotoad.com Thu May 25 14:02:20 2006 From: sisk at mojotoad.com (Matt Sisk) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 17:02:20 -0400 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston? In-Reply-To: <0EFEDF9D507FF6409CE7B4D24B20E7BF0120D33B@xchng.msc.tamu.edu> References: <0EFEDF9D507FF6409CE7B4D24B20E7BF0120D33B@xchng.msc.tamu.edu> Message-ID: <20060525170220.1jjc0go8ccoscwcc@webmail.spamcop.net> This particular hostel is very close to the train in the museum district: http://www.houstonhostel.com/ http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=5302+Crawford+Street,+houston+tx&om=1 Matt Quoting Jeremy Fluhmann : > >>> The MetroRail also runs near the museum district and theater > district, > >>> giving things to do outside the conference. I rememeber the > >> > >> That would be better. I just looked at the UofH-Downtown site and > the > >> room sizes and location are great! If it's a possibility, there > would > >> be quite a bit of flexibility as far as rooms go (lecture halls, > >> auditorium, conference rooms, etc). I've been trying to think about > out > >> some "housing" options since they don't have dorms. > > > > Metrorail runs south through the Medical Center. There are several > hotels > > to choose from on the rail line. > > Good, I'll try to do some research and get some pricing breakdowns. Do > you know of any inexpensive accommodations along there close to the > campus? I know that in the venue requirements, they want to have some > inexpensive, dorm-style housing available. They mention a hostel, and I > know that Houston has one, but I was going to try to find another > alternative as well. I believe $55 for on-campus is the lowest rate > (besides the Hostel) for this year's YAPC. > > Jeremy > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > From jeremy at msc.tamu.edu Fri May 26 05:13:47 2006 From: jeremy at msc.tamu.edu (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 07:13:47 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston? Message-ID: <0EFEDF9D507FF6409CE7B4D24B20E7BF01008320@xchng.msc.tamu.edu> > This particular hostel is very close to the train in the museum district: > > http://www.houstonhostel.com/ That's great. Do you know if there are other hostels in Houston or is this the only one? I think I'm going to start 'mapping' out key areas on a google map or something. I'll mark where possilbe venues are, as well as the hostel and other accomodations. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3188 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/mailman/private/houston/attachments/20060526/ad46ef89/attachment.bin From gwadej at anomaly.org Fri May 26 05:15:03 2006 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 07:15:03 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston? In-Reply-To: <0EFEDF9D507FF6409CE7B4D24B20E7BF0120D337@xchng.msc.tamu.edu> References: <0EFEDF9D507FF6409CE7B4D24B20E7BF0120D337@xchng.msc.tamu.edu> Message-ID: <20060526071503.11bd56a6@sovvan> On Thu, 25 May 2006 14:28:11 -0500 "Jeremy Fluhmann" wrote: > That would be better. I just looked at the UofH-Downtown site and the > room sizes and location are great! If it's a possibility, there would > be quite a bit of flexibility as far as rooms go (lecture halls, > auditorium, conference rooms, etc). I've been trying to think about out > some "housing" options since they don't have dorms. I started looking > through Rice's site and noticed that their Student Center probably > wouldn't be an option (capacity and cost), but what about one of their > other buildings? Such as Duncan Hall or the Space Science Building. My wife used to work in Duncan Hall and recently went to an event there. She says its "cool to visit for an event". > Duncan Hall - Duncan Hall is a three story building that sits on the > corner of Rice's Engineering Quadrangle. > > I went to Duncan Hall's "unofficial" site and noticed that it had an > auditorium and some "lecture" rooms. I'm unsure of the capacity, or if > it would even be an option, but it might. I found it by looking through > some of the conferences at Rice and which buildings they were in. G. Wade -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup. -- C. Titus Brown From mikeflan at earthlink.net Sat May 27 06:10:47 2006 From: mikeflan at earthlink.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 08:10:47 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston? References: <20060523203849.020eb3a3@sovvan> Message-ID: <44784FD7.E486FD50@earthlink.net> "G. Wade Johnson" wrote: > I've been doing a little research and talking to a few people and it looks > like we could actually pull this off. > > If we want to pursue attempting to bring YAPC::NA to Houston, we need some > research and ideas in the next few weeks to a month and some time spent > writing a proposal. Well, much to my surprise I've seen this thing take off with people I didn't even know were on the list. I've seen some of that research done, so I'm guessing somebody has already started writing the proposal. > > We would need to evaluate venues for the conference itself and track down > some potential sponsors. > > It sounds like this could be handled by a handful of people in the early > stages. If YAPC did come here we would probably need more volunteers to help > at the conference with various facilitation and people directing roles. > > We also probably want to choose a person to take the lead on the proposal and > organization. Anyone interested? Has this been done yet? > > For those that are interested, should we try to coordinate this stuff on this > list or work through other channels (maybe a separate mailing list)? > > For those who are not interested in the workings of the conference, would you > be too bothered if conference business happened on the list and at the regular > meetings? > > G. Wade I think Houston is a fine place for the Perl conference. From the little bit of research I did, they seem to hold these things in June every year. Always on weekdays. It cost about $85 to attend for 3 days. I wish they had come to Houston 2-3 years ago when I was off work. Mike From gwadej at anomaly.org Sat May 27 08:26:44 2006 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sat, 27 May 2006 10:26:44 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston? In-Reply-To: <44784FD7.E486FD50@earthlink.net> References: <20060523203849.020eb3a3@sovvan> <44784FD7.E486FD50@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20060527102644.02d8f1d1@sovvan> On Sat, 27 May 2006 08:10:47 -0500 Mike Flannigan wrote: > > "G. Wade Johnson" wrote: > > > I've been doing a little research and talking to a few people and it looks > > like we could actually pull this off. > > > > If we want to pursue attempting to bring YAPC::NA to Houston, we need some > > research and ideas in the next few weeks to a month and some time spent > > writing a proposal. > > Well, much to my surprise I've seen this thing take off with > people I didn't even know were on the list. I've seen > some of that research done, so I'm guessing somebody > has already started writing the proposal. As far as I know we're still collecting information. But, you're right someone needs to start on a proposal that we can start discussing.... > > We would need to evaluate venues for the conference itself and track down > > some potential sponsors. > > > > It sounds like this could be handled by a handful of people in the early > > stages. If YAPC did come here we would probably need more volunteers to > > help at the conference with various facilitation and people directing > > roles. > > > > We also probably want to choose a person to take the lead on the proposal > > and organization. Anyone interested? > > Has this been done yet? So far we haven't had anyone step forward to take the position. Jeremy has stated that he would be willing if no one else wants to, but he did point out that he might not be the best choice since he's not in town. To reduce that problem it might be a good idea to have one person from Houston.pm and Jeremy from Brazosvalley.pm kind of co-chair the proposal. Any thoughts? > > For those that are interested, should we try to coordinate this stuff on > > this list or work through other channels (maybe a separate mailing list)? > > > > For those who are not interested in the workings of the conference, would > > you be too bothered if conference business happened on the list and at the > > regular meetings? > > > > G. Wade > > I think Houston is a fine place for the Perl conference. From > the little bit of research I did, they seem to hold these things > in June every year. Always on weekdays. It cost about > $85 to attend for 3 days. I wish they had come to Houston > 2-3 years ago when I was off work. I have actually been surprised at what a good choice Houston would be. The more we've looked at it the better it looks. Although, I'm not really sure about June as it can be a bit warm around here for people who aren't used to it. G. Wade -- If it doesn't have to be right, I can make it arbitrarily fast. -- Rick Hoselton From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon May 29 20:22:11 2006 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Mon, 29 May 2006 22:22:11 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston. Message-ID: <20060529222211.1aa8adfa@sovvan> We still need someone to volunteer to take the lead on the proposal. I think we've established that enough of the group is interested that we can probably make it work. Unless someone sees it differently, the person who takes the lead would not necessarily have to write the proposal (unless he/she wants to). At least at the present time, we need someone to start coordinating the various parts of the research and trying to identify what we're missing. It seems that several people have shown a willingness to research much of what we will need. So, do we have any volunteers? G. Wade -- Reality is just a convenient measure of complexity. -- Alvy Ray Smith From jeremy at msc.tamu.edu Tue May 30 07:53:14 2006 From: jeremy at msc.tamu.edu (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 09:53:14 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston. Message-ID: <0EFEDF9D507FF6409CE7B4D24B20E7BF0120D342@xchng.msc.tamu.edu> > It seems that several people have shown a willingness to research > much of what we will need. Here is some more information regarding information links, venue voting weights, and sponsorship. As I mentioned before, I'm going to try and work on some price ranges for hotels around the possible venues. Resource Links: YAPC site - http://www.yapc.org/ Venue Requirements - http://www.yapc.org/venue-reqs.txt 2006 Voting Details - http://news.perlfoundation.org/2005/12/yapcna_voting_details.html YAPC Venue Weights and voting criteria - http://yapc.org/yapc-crit.txt Chicago bid - http://news.perlfoundation.org/2005/12/chicago_2006_yapc_bid.html#more Boston bid - http://news.perlfoundation.org/2005/12/boston_2006_yapc_bid.html#more Vancouver bid - http://news.perlfoundation.org/2005/12/vancouver_2006_yapc_bid.html#more Here is a breakdown of the voting/venue weights. The seven YAPC committee members vote on these with, I believe, a 1 to 10 score. I'm guessing that the 1 to 10 score is multiplied by the points for each area to get the final tally. Facilities (100) Internet Access from Conference Location (100) Internet Access from Accommodations (100) Affordable Dorms and Hotels (90) Estimated Costs (90) Public Transportation (60) Readily Accessible Location (Planes, Trains, & Automobiles) (50) New Location (50) Tourist Activities (50) Quality of Host Committee (40) So, facilities, Internet access, and cost/affordability are the "top" key point areas. I know that sponsorship was mentioned earlier, so here is some of what I could find out about previous YAPC sponsors. Sponsorship: 2006 in Chicago - LiveText - Big Nerd Ranch - Google - ITA Software - Performics - Sxip - O'Reilly & Associates - Apress.com - Stonehenge Consulting - The Grant Street Group - Acxiom - Allant Group - No Starch Press - CombineNet - PlainBlack - ActiveState 2005 in Toronto - IBM Toronto Software Lab - Linux Professional Institute - O'Reilly Media - Onsight - Pearson Education - Eventix - Stonehenge Consulting - IndigoSTAR Software - Sxip Identity - Openflows Networks Ltd. - Manning Publications - Apress - Transgaming Technologies 2004 in Buffalo - University at Buffalo - UB Academic Computing Services - Apple Computer - ActiveState - Addison-Wesley - Fontango - O'Reilly - Sams Publishing - Stonehenge Consulting 2002 in Saint Louis - O'Reilly and Associates - Addison-Wesley - ActiveState Corp. - Stonehenge Consulting - Manning Publications From jeremy at msc.tamu.edu Tue May 30 08:00:33 2006 From: jeremy at msc.tamu.edu (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:00:33 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston. Message-ID: <0EFEDF9D507FF6409CE7B4D24B20E7BF0120D343@xchng.msc.tamu.edu> > We still need someone to volunteer to take the lead on the > proposal. I think we've established that enough of the group > is interested that we can probably make it work. Just to point out to those that might be considering it but are unsure, there is a TPF committee that is available to help with questions and whatnot. Also, I'm sure that Josh (YAPC 2006 Chicago), Jim (YAPC 2004 Buffalo), and other previous conference hosts would be willing to answer questions or clarify things. If anyone is going to YAPC::NA this year, a 'Birds Of a Feather (BOF)' session is planned for groups working on conference proposals. I'm still working out the kinks of trying to go this year. Jeremy From jeremy at msc.tamu.edu Wed May 31 21:04:18 2006 From: jeremy at msc.tamu.edu (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Wed, 31 May 2006 23:04:18 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC -- Houston? Message-ID: <0EFEDF9D507FF6409CE7B4D24B20E7BF0100832D@xchng.msc.tamu.edu> > My wife used to work in Duncan Hall and recently went to an event > there. She says its "cool to visit for an event". That's great! Does she know who we might contact about researching it as a possibility? From their site (http://www.cs.rice.edu/~keith/DuncanHall/), it mentions: "Serious queries about Duncan Hall should be addressed to the office of the Dean of Engineering, Rice University. " -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 3176 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/mailman/private/houston/attachments/20060531/e160cfd6/attachment.bin