From tigger at io.com Sat Oct 1 19:33:12 2005 From: tigger at io.com (Paul Archer) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:33:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [pm-h] Prima Message-ID: <20051001212525.Q35413@eris.io.com> I've just run across a GUI toolkit called Prima (www.prima.eu.org). I was wondering if anyone had evaluated/used it. I haven't used a GUI toolkit before, so I don't know how it compares to Perl/TK, etc. What I do know is that it was written specifically for Perl, and for what I want (display of images) it's pretty fast. One downside that I've noticed is that the documentation isn't that good (from a "how to program in Prima" perspective). There is very extensive documentation online, but it is all APIs--no "here's how to use this," or screenshots of different widgets. That's a downside (at least if you're new to GUI programming), but I think it could also have an upside. We've been talking about giving back to the community. If we agree that it's a decent toolkit (Wade, I'm counting on you here), then maybe we could contribute to the docs. I was thinking about taking the outline of the O'Reilly "Learning Perl/Tk" book and filling it in as "Learning Prima." Paul ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma. ---------------------- Abraham Lincoln---------------------------------- From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon Oct 3 04:56:28 2005 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 06:56:28 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Prima ... and more In-Reply-To: <20051001212525.Q35413@eris.io.com> References: <20051001212525.Q35413@eris.io.com> Message-ID: <20051003065628.27e2ac59@sovvan> I haven't seen Prima before. A comparison might be interesting. I think the documentation idea is a good one. (Of course, documenting someone else's code is not everyone's idea of fun.) Do you have any other impressions of Prima so far? I have recently run across documentation for Gtk2-Perl (http://forgeftp.novell.com/exam/documentation/html/index.html). That makes three GUI toolkits for Perl that I've heard of. It might be an interesting exercise to try to build the same small project with all three to see how they each handle basic tasks. We could generate a comparison showing strengths and weaknesses. Any other opinions? G. Wade On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:33:12 -0500 (CDT) Paul Archer wrote: > I've just run across a GUI toolkit called Prima (www.prima.eu.org). I was > wondering if anyone had evaluated/used it. I haven't used a GUI toolkit > before, so I don't know how it compares to Perl/TK, etc. What I do know is > that it was written specifically for Perl, and for what I want (display of > images) it's pretty fast. > > One downside that I've noticed is that the documentation isn't that good > (from a "how to program in Prima" perspective). There is very extensive > documentation online, but it is all APIs--no "here's how to use this," or > screenshots of different widgets. That's a downside (at least if you're new > to GUI programming), but I think it could also have an upside. We've been > talking about giving back to the community. If we agree that it's a decent > toolkit (Wade, I'm counting on you here), then maybe we could contribute to > the docs. I was thinking about taking the outline of the O'Reilly "Learning > Perl/Tk" book and filling it in as "Learning Prima." > > Paul > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could > never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma. > ---------------------- Abraham Lincoln---------------------------------- -- If you like laws and sausages, you should never watch either one being made. -- Otto von Bismarck From tigger at io.com Mon Oct 3 05:53:07 2005 From: tigger at io.com (Paul Archer) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:53:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [pm-h] Prima ... and more In-Reply-To: <20051003065628.27e2ac59@sovvan> References: <20051001212525.Q35413@eris.io.com> <20051003065628.27e2ac59@sovvan> Message-ID: <20051003073527.X35413@eris.io.com> 6:56am, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > I haven't seen Prima before. A comparison might be interesting. I think the > documentation idea is a good one. (Of course, documenting someone else's code > is not everyone's idea of fun.) Do you have any other impressions of > Prima so far? > Hell, documenting your own code isn't the most fun thing, either. 8-) So far, the big thing is that it seems fast, and relatively easy to use (since it was written for Perl specifically). It also has ties to PDL and another module set for doing image transformations. > I have recently run across documentation for Gtk2-Perl > (http://forgeftp.novell.com/exam/documentation/html/index.html). That makes > three GUI toolkits for Perl that I've heard of. > Actually, there are a few more, too. In addition to Perl/Tk, Gtk/Perl, and Prima, there are bindings for: FLTK (fast light toolkit, www.fltk.org) (zero documentation for the Perl interface) WxWidgets (www.wxwidgets.org wxperl.sourceforge.net) (poor Perl docs) Qt (www.trolltech.com) PicoGUI (www.picogui.org) > It might be an interesting exercise to try to build the same small project > with all three to see how they each handle basic tasks. We could generate a > comparison showing strengths and weaknesses. > that could be fun. We might start with a simple Perl/Tk app (like the one you used as an example in your talk earlier this year) and see how much work it is to port it. Paul > > On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:33:12 -0500 (CDT) > Paul Archer wrote: > >> I've just run across a GUI toolkit called Prima (www.prima.eu.org). I was >> wondering if anyone had evaluated/used it. I haven't used a GUI toolkit >> before, so I don't know how it compares to Perl/TK, etc. What I do know is >> that it was written specifically for Perl, and for what I want (display of >> images) it's pretty fast. >> >> One downside that I've noticed is that the documentation isn't that good >> (from a "how to program in Prima" perspective). There is very extensive >> documentation online, but it is all APIs--no "here's how to use this," or >> screenshots of different widgets. That's a downside (at least if you're new >> to GUI programming), but I think it could also have an upside. We've been >> talking about giving back to the community. If we agree that it's a decent >> toolkit (Wade, I'm counting on you here), then maybe we could contribute to >> the docs. I was thinking about taking the outline of the O'Reilly "Learning >> Perl/Tk" book and filling it in as "Learning Prima." >> >> Paul >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could >> never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma. >> ---------------------- Abraham Lincoln---------------------------------- > > -- > If you like laws and sausages, you should never watch either one being > made. -- Otto von Bismarck > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > ______________________________________________________________________ "Contrariwise," continued Tweedledee, "if it was so, it might be, and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic!" ___________Lewis Carroll, "Through the Looking Glass"_________________ From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon Oct 3 20:34:31 2005 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:34:31 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Prima ... and more In-Reply-To: <20051003073527.X35413@eris.io.com> References: <20051001212525.Q35413@eris.io.com> <20051003065628.27e2ac59@sovvan> <20051003073527.X35413@eris.io.com> Message-ID: <20051003223431.6210cf6f@sovvan> On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:53:07 -0500 (CDT) Paul Archer wrote: > 6:56am, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > > > I haven't seen Prima before. A comparison might be interesting. I think > > the documentation idea is a good one. (Of course, documenting someone > > else's code is not everyone's idea of fun.) Do you have any other > > impressions of Prima so far? > > > Hell, documenting your own code isn't the most fun thing, either. 8-) > So far, the big thing is that it seems fast, and relatively easy to use > (since it was written for Perl specifically). It also has ties to PDL and > another module set for doing image transformations. Sounds like it is much more focused on image work than most of the GUI frameworks. Could be interesting. > > I have recently run across documentation for Gtk2-Perl > > (http://forgeftp.novell.com/exam/documentation/html/index.html). That > > makes three GUI toolkits for Perl that I've heard of. > > > Actually, there are a few more, too. In addition to Perl/Tk, Gtk/Perl, and > Prima, there are bindings for: > FLTK (fast light toolkit, www.fltk.org) (zero documentation for the Perl > interface) WxWidgets (www.wxwidgets.org wxperl.sourceforge.net) (poor Perl > docs) Qt (www.trolltech.com) > PicoGUI (www.picogui.org) I should have remembered Qt, we use it at work in C++. I'm still learning it. Amusingly enough, I just found that it is already installed on my system here at home. > > It might be an interesting exercise to try to build the same small project > > with all three to see how they each handle basic tasks. We could generate > > a comparison showing strengths and weaknesses. > > > that could be fun. We might start with a simple Perl/Tk app (like the one > you used as an example in your talk earlier this year) and see how much work > it is to port it. I'm kind of thinking of (at least two) comparison programs. - A basic "hello world" example. - Maybe something like the example you suggested. If we had people with _real_ expertise in all of the frameworks, we could add a program that showcases any special features (like the image support in Prima). Would anyone like to step up to try ports to various frameworks? I have Qt.pm installed and was already going to look at Gtk2-Perl. But, I don't think I could manage both in a reasonable period of time. Paul, are you up to porting a couple of programs to Prima? If we have enough interest, we could even work out our specifications on the list and post versions for other people to test on multiple platforms. Is anyone (besides Paul and myself) interested? Later, G. Wade -- Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add but when there is nothing more to take out. -- Antoine de Saint Exupery From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon Oct 3 21:22:09 2005 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:22:09 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Next Week's Meeting Message-ID: <20051003232209.01870ffb@sovvan> Just a quick reminder that our next meeting is next week (October 11). We are still scheduled for Bill Dillon's talk on Graphics in Perl. I hope to see you there, G. Wade -- To vacillate or not to vacillate, that is the question ... or is it? From gwadej at anomaly.org Fri Oct 7 04:50:28 2005 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 06:50:28 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Fw: [pm_groups] 3rd Hungarian Perl Workshop - CFP - Keynote Larry Wall Message-ID: <20051007065028.5c7369de@sovvan> I don't know if anyone in the group has a chance to go to Budapest, but I just got this announcement and thought I'd pass it on. Begin forwarded message: Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:51:12 +0200 From: G?bor Szab? To: Perl Monger Group coordinators Subject: [pm_groups] 3rd Hungarian Perl Workshop - CFP - Keynote Larry Wall Please forward this to your respective mailing lists. Especially if your pm group is in a relatively short travel distance from Budapest. I am pleased to announce that the registration for the 3rd Hungarian Perl Workshop is now open. I would like to invite every and all people using Perl in our neighboring countries to participate in the conference. * Date: Saturday, 22nd October 2005 * Hours: 9:00-16:00 * Location: Budapest, Chazar Andras str. 10. * Keynote speaker: Larry Wall Participation is free of charge but registration is required. You can register at http://conferences.yapceurope.org/hpw2005/ where you can also submit your talk proposals. Talks should be either in English or in Hungarian. In order to cover expenses we are also collecting donations from the participants at the door. (Regular price of similar Perl events in other European cities is 25-40 EURO/day) If you need hotel arrangements please let me know by sending e-mail to szabgab at gmail.com and we will try to point you to relatively cheap hotels. Check out the wiki as well. We also encourage using our wiki http://perl.conf.hu/ to organize Carpooling from other countries/cities. So hurry up, it is less than 2 weeks away. Gabor Szabo organizer - foreign affairs From gwadej at anomaly.org Fri Oct 7 20:38:37 2005 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:38:37 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Door Prizes Message-ID: <20051007223837.58e71faf@sovvan> This month I have gotten a couple of books from O'Reilly on graphics and Perl for door prizes for this month's meeting. Depending on how many people show up, we can have a drawing or something for them. See you on Tuesday night. G. Wade -- Ever wonder why the SAME PEOPLE make up ALL the conspiracy theories? From chuckb at linuxtx.com Sun Oct 9 12:50:19 2005 From: chuckb at linuxtx.com (Charles Bentley) Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 14:50:19 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Door Prizes In-Reply-To: <20051007223837.58e71faf@sovvan> References: <20051007223837.58e71faf@sovvan> Message-ID: <1128887419.1887.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> I have two "Higher Order Perl" books by Mark Jason Dominus that can be used as door prizes if you like. Someone will need to come buy and pick them up. Chuck... From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon Oct 10 18:25:52 2005 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:25:52 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Tomorrow's meeting Message-ID: <20051010202552.3f9b83ea@sovvan> This is a final reminder for the meeting tomorrow night. We will have our normal monthly meeting 7pm-9pm at the HAL-PC headquarters Tuesday night, as usual. Bill Dillon will present on Graphics in Perl. In addition, this month we have a pair of Perl books to give away as door prizes. Hope to see you all there. G. Wade -- Any time things appear to be going better, you have overlooked something. From gwadej at anomaly.org Wed Oct 12 18:35:22 2005 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:35:22 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Calling Python from Perl Message-ID: <20051012203522.61e24255@sovvan> During last night's meeting, the subject of calling Python from Perl came up as a possible topic for next month. I suggested that there might be an Inline::Python module that would help. I knew there were other Inline::* modules, and figured that Inline::Python would be a reasonable bet. I turns out that the module does exist and it looks like it might be quite useful (for anyone who speaks Python). See http://search.cpan.org/~neilw/Inline-Python-0.22/Python.pod for details. Would there be general interest in the topic of calling other languages from Perl? G. Wade -- Ever wonder why the SAME PEOPLE make up ALL the conspiracy theories? From gwadej at anomaly.org Wed Oct 12 18:56:23 2005 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:56:23 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] List of PPM Repositories Message-ID: <20051012205623.66a6a330@sovvan> As I promised last night, here's the site with the list of alternate PPM repositories: http://crazyinsomniac.perlmonk.org/perl/misc/Repositories.pm It is a perl module containing all of the repositories he knows. G. Wade -- There are 2 possible outcomes: If the result confirms the hypothesis, then you've made a measurement. If the result is contrary to the hypothesis, then you've made a discovery. -- Enrico Fermi From Wayne.A.Haufler at boeing.com Thu Oct 13 13:19:34 2005 From: Wayne.A.Haufler at boeing.com (Haufler, Wayne A) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:19:34 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Calling Python from Perl Message-ID: Speaking of calling Python from Perl, this reminds me that I could benefit from the reverse mechanism of calling Perl from Python. I have been studying Blender3d (www.blender3d.org), an open source 3D modeling and animation tool with game engine for developing games (long-time dream). Blender 3d uses Python as its gaming language, but I'd like to use Perl, instead, at least for some things. Any one know of such a module? Thanks, -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- Wayne A. 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Today's Topics: 1. Calling Python from Perl (G. Wade Johnson) 2. List of PPM Repositories (G. Wade Johnson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:35:22 -0500 From: "G. Wade Johnson" Subject: [pm-h] Calling Python from Perl To: Houston Perl Mongers Message-ID: <20051012203522.61e24255 at sovvan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII During last night's meeting, the subject of calling Python from Perl came up as a possible topic for next month. I suggested that there might be an Inline::Python module that would help. I knew there were other Inline::* modules, and figured that Inline::Python would be a reasonable bet. I turns out that the module does exist and it looks like it might be quite useful (for anyone who speaks Python). See http://search.cpan.org/~neilw/Inline-Python-0.22/Python.pod for details. Would there be general interest in the topic of calling other languages from Perl? G. Wade -- Ever wonder why the SAME PEOPLE make up ALL the conspiracy theories? ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:56:23 -0500 From: "G. Wade Johnson" Subject: [pm-h] List of PPM Repositories To: Houston Perl Mongers Message-ID: <20051012205623.66a6a330 at sovvan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII As I promised last night, here's the site with the list of alternate PPM repositories: http://crazyinsomniac.perlmonk.org/perl/misc/Repositories.pm It is a perl module containing all of the repositories he knows. G. Wade -- There are 2 possible outcomes: If the result confirms the hypothesis, then you've made a measurement. If the result is contrary to the hypothesis, then you've made a discovery. -- Enrico Fermi ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Houston mailing list Houston at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston End of Houston Digest, Vol 11, Issue 9 ************************************** From gwadej at anomaly.org Thu Oct 13 17:42:13 2005 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:42:13 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Calling Python from Perl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20051013194213.53cf80e4@sovvan> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:19:34 -0500 "Haufler, Wayne A" wrote: > Speaking of calling Python from Perl, > this reminds me that I could benefit from the > reverse mechanism of calling Perl from Python. > > I have been studying Blender3d (www.blender3d.org), > an open source 3D modeling and animation tool > with game engine for developing games (long-time dream). > Blender 3d uses Python as its gaming language, > but I'd like to use Perl, instead, > at least for some things. > > Any one know of such a module? > Thanks, The documentation on Inline::Python had a section on calling Perl from Python, but I didn't read it too carefully. G. Wade -- If you like laws and sausages, you should never watch either one being made. -- Otto von Bismarck From gwadej at anomaly.org Fri Oct 14 04:42:01 2005 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 06:42:01 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Book Discounts Message-ID: <20051014064201.0f19fa96@sovvan> I was reading the latest O'Reilly UG Newsletter and noticed this: Don't forget to remind your members about the 30% discount on O'Reilly, No Starch, Paraglyph, PC Publishing, Pragmatic Bookshelf, SitePoint, and Syngress books. I had forgotten that our discount applies to more than just O'Reilly books. We use the same discount code when ordering through O'Reilly for all of these publishers. G. Wade -- I've been living on the edge too long, where the winds of limbo roar. -- "Veteran of Psychic Wars", Blue Oyster Cult From gwadej at anomaly.org Sat Oct 15 12:20:55 2005 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:20:55 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Book Reviews Message-ID: <20051015142055.36f3e861@sovvan> In the last set of books I got from O'Reilly, we had an unexpected book. Would anyone be interested in reviewing "Web Site Measurement Hacks"? If you are interested, contact me and we'll find some way to get the book to you. Thanks, G. Wade -- We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters will eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the Internet, we know this is not true. -- Robert Wilensky, UCB From gwadej at anomaly.org Sat Oct 15 12:51:54 2005 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:51:54 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Site updated Message-ID: <20051015145154.1ed3fed9@sovvan> I've updated the site with Bill's presentation from Tuesday. G. Wade -- Don't kill him!! If you kill him, he won't learn nothin'! -- The Riddler, "Batman Forever" From James.Abel at halliburton.com Mon Oct 17 10:47:58 2005 From: James.Abel at halliburton.com (James Abel) Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:47:58 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Interesting Use of Perl and ImageMagick Library Message-ID: <0D59B72121BD4442ADD21AF16280179B02B85CD7@houexch301.corp.kbr.com> Hot on the tails of our recent meeting on Graphics with Perl, I came across this very intriguing use of the ImageMagick library, Perl, Flash, and PHP. Instructions for how the interface was built are listed under the main Flash image. http://www.krazydad.com/visco/ James Abel ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail, including any attached files, may contain confidential and privileged information for the sole use of the intended recipient. Any review, use, distribution, or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive information for the intended recipient), please contact the sender by reply e-mail and delete all copies of this message. From gwadej at anomaly.org Fri Oct 21 05:10:16 2005 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:10:16 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Potential topics for upcoming meetings Message-ID: <20051021071016.5df1ce5b@sovvan> Here's a few suggestions for topics for upcoming meetings. Feel free to make other suggestions if ther's something you'd rather see. November - the Inline::* modules (I'm not sure there's enough time to do a good job, but I'll try) December - either skip it or do the Perl Advent Calendar January - comparison of Perl GUI frameworks These are the ones I've seen so far. - Perl/Tk - Prima - Gtk2-Perl - Qt.pm - wxPerl Any opinions? G. Wade -- Results are what you wanted, consequences are what you got. -- Michael VanDusen From gwadej at anomaly.org Fri Oct 21 05:13:30 2005 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:13:30 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Meeting Technology Message-ID: <20051021071330.6cb25da1@sovvan> I was talking to Chuck a few days ago and he had a suggestion for the meetings. He pointed out that it would be cool to provide our meetings in real-time over the Net. This would allow people who can't physically make it to still participate in the meetings. We might even be able to archive some of the meeting for download from the website. Does anyone have any real experience with doing something like this? G. Wade -- Machines take me by surprise with great frequency. -- Alan Turing From mikeflan at earthlink.net Sun Oct 30 17:19:52 2005 From: mikeflan at earthlink.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:19:52 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Meeting Technology References: <20051021071330.6cb25da1@sovvan> Message-ID: <43657138.7D81439F@earthlink.net> "G. Wade Johnson" wrote: > I was talking to Chuck a few days ago and he had a suggestion for the > meetings. He pointed out that it would be cool to provide our meetings in > real-time over the Net. > > This would allow people who can't physically make it to still participate in > the meetings. We might even be able to archive some of the meeting for > download from the website. > > Does anyone have any real experience with doing something like this? > > G. Wade Wow, that is a great suggestion. I don't know why Chuck was the only one to think of it. I'm guessing it's hard to do, but maybe not. I don't have any experience doing that. I guess just a sound track with a few posted slides would do the job nicely for those with broad band. Please assign this to somebody other than me :-) I'm not the best person to pursue this great suggestion. Mike Flannigan From gwadej at anomaly.org Sun Oct 30 17:51:00 2005 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:51:00 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Meeting Technology In-Reply-To: <43657138.7D81439F@earthlink.net> References: <20051021071330.6cb25da1@sovvan> <43657138.7D81439F@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20051030195100.3fb3511c@sovvan> On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:19:52 -0600 Mike Flannigan wrote: > > "G. Wade Johnson" wrote: > > > I was talking to Chuck a few days ago and he had a suggestion for the > > meetings. He pointed out that it would be cool to provide our meetings in > > real-time over the Net. > > > > This would allow people who can't physically make it to still participate > > in the meetings. We might even be able to archive some of the meeting for > > download from the website. > > > > Does anyone have any real experience with doing something like this? > > > > G. Wade > > Wow, that is a great suggestion. I don't know why Chuck > was the only one to think of it. I'm guessing it's hard to do, > but maybe not. I don't have any experience doing that. > I guess just a sound track with a few posted slides would > do the job nicely for those with broad band. > > Please assign this to somebody other than me :-) > I'm not the best person to pursue this great suggestion. Well... Since this is a user group and not a business, I don't think any of us could 'assign' something to anyone else. The main thing I am looking for is anyone with any experience in this kind of technology. (Or failing that, anyone who knows someone ...) Chuck is probably right that this would really be useful for the group. Recording the sessions and posting the audio might be a good first step, but real-time (with archives) would be much cooler. A virtual meeting would make it easier for those who don't live near the HAL-PC headquarters to watch and maybe participate. I guess I could look into recording the audio and putting it up for download. That would at least give us a start. Any other ideas, resources, or experience? Thanks, G. Wade -- DON'T PANIC! I'm a trained professional, and far more qualified to panic in this situation than you are. From gwadej at anomaly.org Sun Oct 30 20:10:47 2005 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:10:47 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Next Week's Meeting Message-ID: <20051030221047.143c3e28@sovvan> Just in time for next week's meeting, I've posted the preliminary meeting topics for the next three meetings. I'm pretty sure about next week. We'll be picking up from a question at last month's meeting with "how to call other languages from Perl". Specifically, I'll be reviewing the Inline modules. The other two topics are more tentative and may change depending on interest and time on the part of the presenters. If you have an opinion on the topics or would like to volunteer to present, either post to the list or email me directly. Hope to see many of you at next week's meeting. G. Wade -- An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a very narrow field. -- Niels Bohr From chuckb at linuxtx.com Mon Oct 31 13:40:15 2005 From: chuckb at linuxtx.com (Charles Bentley) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:40:15 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Meeting Technology In-Reply-To: <20051030195100.3fb3511c@sovvan> References: <20051021071330.6cb25da1@sovvan> <43657138.7D81439F@earthlink.net> <20051030195100.3fb3511c@sovvan> Message-ID: <1130794815.8694.20.camel@localhost.localdomain> I read in the Perl Mongers mailing list that one of the groups is posting recorded meetings. You might try asking for help on the Perl Mongers mailing list. Sorry I don't post much anymore. I'm just too tired. Chuck... On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 19:51 -0600, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > The main thing I am looking for is anyone with any experience in this kind of > technology. (Or failing that, anyone who knows someone ...) From mikeflan at earthlink.net Mon Oct 31 18:23:43 2005 From: mikeflan at earthlink.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:23:43 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Potential topics for upcoming meetings References: <20051021071016.5df1ce5b@sovvan> Message-ID: <4366D1AF.A6BED8E5@earthlink.net> "G. Wade Johnson" wrote: > Here's a few suggestions for topics for upcoming meetings. Feel free to make > other suggestions if ther's something you'd rather see. > > November - the Inline::* modules > (I'm not sure there's enough time to do a good job, but I'll try) > > December - either skip it or do the Perl Advent Calendar > > January - comparison of Perl GUI frameworks > These are the ones I've seen so far. > - Perl/Tk > - Prima > - Gtk2-Perl > - Qt.pm > - wxPerl > > Any opinions? > > G. Wade > -- Sounds like great topics. So Inline allows you to put Java and other programing scripts right into your Perl script, heh? Very handy. Mike