From tigger at io.com Sat Oct 1 19:33:12 2005
From: tigger at io.com (Paul Archer)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:33:12 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [pm-h] Prima
Message-ID: <20051001212525.Q35413@eris.io.com>
I've just run across a GUI toolkit called Prima (www.prima.eu.org). I was
wondering if anyone had evaluated/used it. I haven't used a GUI toolkit
before, so I don't know how it compares to Perl/TK, etc. What I do know is
that it was written specifically for Perl, and for what I want (display of
images) it's pretty fast.
One downside that I've noticed is that the documentation isn't that good
(from a "how to program in Prima" perspective). There is very extensive
documentation online, but it is all APIs--no "here's how to use this," or
screenshots of different widgets. That's a downside (at least if you're new
to GUI programming), but I think it could also have an upside. We've been
talking about giving back to the community. If we agree that it's a decent
toolkit (Wade, I'm counting on you here), then maybe we could contribute to
the docs. I was thinking about taking the outline of the O'Reilly "Learning
Perl/Tk" book and filling it in as "Learning Prima."
Paul
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---------------------- Abraham Lincoln----------------------------------
From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon Oct 3 04:56:28 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 06:56:28 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Prima ... and more
In-Reply-To: <20051001212525.Q35413@eris.io.com>
References: <20051001212525.Q35413@eris.io.com>
Message-ID: <20051003065628.27e2ac59@sovvan>
I haven't seen Prima before. A comparison might be interesting. I think the
documentation idea is a good one. (Of course, documenting someone else's code
is not everyone's idea of fun.) Do you have any other impressions of
Prima so far?
I have recently run across documentation for Gtk2-Perl
(http://forgeftp.novell.com/exam/documentation/html/index.html). That makes
three GUI toolkits for Perl that I've heard of.
It might be an interesting exercise to try to build the same small project
with all three to see how they each handle basic tasks. We could generate a
comparison showing strengths and weaknesses.
Any other opinions?
G. Wade
On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:33:12 -0500 (CDT)
Paul Archer wrote:
> I've just run across a GUI toolkit called Prima (www.prima.eu.org). I was
> wondering if anyone had evaluated/used it. I haven't used a GUI toolkit
> before, so I don't know how it compares to Perl/TK, etc. What I do know is
> that it was written specifically for Perl, and for what I want (display of
> images) it's pretty fast.
>
> One downside that I've noticed is that the documentation isn't that good
> (from a "how to program in Prima" perspective). There is very extensive
> documentation online, but it is all APIs--no "here's how to use this," or
> screenshots of different widgets. That's a downside (at least if you're new
> to GUI programming), but I think it could also have an upside. We've been
> talking about giving back to the community. If we agree that it's a decent
> toolkit (Wade, I'm counting on you here), then maybe we could contribute to
> the docs. I was thinking about taking the outline of the O'Reilly "Learning
> Perl/Tk" book and filling it in as "Learning Prima."
>
> Paul
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could
> never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma.
> ---------------------- Abraham Lincoln----------------------------------
--
If you like laws and sausages, you should never watch either one being
made. -- Otto von Bismarck
From tigger at io.com Mon Oct 3 05:53:07 2005
From: tigger at io.com (Paul Archer)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:53:07 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [pm-h] Prima ... and more
In-Reply-To: <20051003065628.27e2ac59@sovvan>
References: <20051001212525.Q35413@eris.io.com>
<20051003065628.27e2ac59@sovvan>
Message-ID: <20051003073527.X35413@eris.io.com>
6:56am, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
> I haven't seen Prima before. A comparison might be interesting. I think the
> documentation idea is a good one. (Of course, documenting someone else's code
> is not everyone's idea of fun.) Do you have any other impressions of
> Prima so far?
>
Hell, documenting your own code isn't the most fun thing, either. 8-)
So far, the big thing is that it seems fast, and relatively easy to use
(since it was written for Perl specifically). It also has ties to PDL and
another module set for doing image transformations.
> I have recently run across documentation for Gtk2-Perl
> (http://forgeftp.novell.com/exam/documentation/html/index.html). That makes
> three GUI toolkits for Perl that I've heard of.
>
Actually, there are a few more, too. In addition to Perl/Tk, Gtk/Perl, and
Prima, there are bindings for:
FLTK (fast light toolkit, www.fltk.org) (zero documentation for the Perl interface)
WxWidgets (www.wxwidgets.org wxperl.sourceforge.net) (poor Perl docs)
Qt (www.trolltech.com)
PicoGUI (www.picogui.org)
> It might be an interesting exercise to try to build the same small project
> with all three to see how they each handle basic tasks. We could generate a
> comparison showing strengths and weaknesses.
>
that could be fun. We might start with a simple Perl/Tk app (like the one
you used as an example in your talk earlier this year) and see how much work
it is to port it.
Paul
>
> On Sat, 1 Oct 2005 21:33:12 -0500 (CDT)
> Paul Archer wrote:
>
>> I've just run across a GUI toolkit called Prima (www.prima.eu.org). I was
>> wondering if anyone had evaluated/used it. I haven't used a GUI toolkit
>> before, so I don't know how it compares to Perl/TK, etc. What I do know is
>> that it was written specifically for Perl, and for what I want (display of
>> images) it's pretty fast.
>>
>> One downside that I've noticed is that the documentation isn't that good
>> (from a "how to program in Prima" perspective). There is very extensive
>> documentation online, but it is all APIs--no "here's how to use this," or
>> screenshots of different widgets. That's a downside (at least if you're new
>> to GUI programming), but I think it could also have an upside. We've been
>> talking about giving back to the community. If we agree that it's a decent
>> toolkit (Wade, I'm counting on you here), then maybe we could contribute to
>> the docs. I was thinking about taking the outline of the O'Reilly "Learning
>> Perl/Tk" book and filling it in as "Learning Prima."
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> The Bible is not my Book and Christianity is not my religion. I could
>> never give assent to the long complicated statements of Christian dogma.
>> ---------------------- Abraham Lincoln----------------------------------
>
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From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon Oct 3 20:34:31 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 22:34:31 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Prima ... and more
In-Reply-To: <20051003073527.X35413@eris.io.com>
References: <20051001212525.Q35413@eris.io.com>
<20051003065628.27e2ac59@sovvan>
<20051003073527.X35413@eris.io.com>
Message-ID: <20051003223431.6210cf6f@sovvan>
On Mon, 3 Oct 2005 07:53:07 -0500 (CDT)
Paul Archer wrote:
> 6:56am, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
>
> > I haven't seen Prima before. A comparison might be interesting. I think
> > the documentation idea is a good one. (Of course, documenting someone
> > else's code is not everyone's idea of fun.) Do you have any other
> > impressions of Prima so far?
> >
> Hell, documenting your own code isn't the most fun thing, either. 8-)
> So far, the big thing is that it seems fast, and relatively easy to use
> (since it was written for Perl specifically). It also has ties to PDL and
> another module set for doing image transformations.
Sounds like it is much more focused on image work than most of the GUI
frameworks. Could be interesting.
> > I have recently run across documentation for Gtk2-Perl
> > (http://forgeftp.novell.com/exam/documentation/html/index.html). That
> > makes three GUI toolkits for Perl that I've heard of.
> >
> Actually, there are a few more, too. In addition to Perl/Tk, Gtk/Perl, and
> Prima, there are bindings for:
> FLTK (fast light toolkit, www.fltk.org) (zero documentation for the Perl
> interface) WxWidgets (www.wxwidgets.org wxperl.sourceforge.net) (poor Perl
> docs) Qt (www.trolltech.com)
> PicoGUI (www.picogui.org)
I should have remembered Qt, we use it at work in C++. I'm still learning it.
Amusingly enough, I just found that it is already installed on my system here
at home.
> > It might be an interesting exercise to try to build the same small project
> > with all three to see how they each handle basic tasks. We could generate
> > a comparison showing strengths and weaknesses.
> >
> that could be fun. We might start with a simple Perl/Tk app (like the one
> you used as an example in your talk earlier this year) and see how much work
> it is to port it.
I'm kind of thinking of (at least two) comparison programs.
- A basic "hello world" example.
- Maybe something like the example you suggested.
If we had people with _real_ expertise in all of the frameworks, we could add
a program that showcases any special features (like the image support in
Prima).
Would anyone like to step up to try ports to various frameworks?
I have Qt.pm installed and was already going to look at Gtk2-Perl. But, I
don't think I could manage both in a reasonable period of time.
Paul, are you up to porting a couple of programs to Prima?
If we have enough interest, we could even work out our specifications on the
list and post versions for other people to test on multiple platforms.
Is anyone (besides Paul and myself) interested?
Later,
G. Wade
--
Perfection is achieved not when there is nothing more to add but when there
is nothing more to take out. -- Antoine de Saint Exupery
From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon Oct 3 21:22:09 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2005 23:22:09 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Next Week's Meeting
Message-ID: <20051003232209.01870ffb@sovvan>
Just a quick reminder that our next meeting is next week (October 11).
We are still scheduled for Bill Dillon's talk on Graphics in Perl.
I hope to see you there,
G. Wade
--
To vacillate or not to vacillate, that is the question ... or is it?
From gwadej at anomaly.org Fri Oct 7 04:50:28 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 06:50:28 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Fw: [pm_groups] 3rd Hungarian Perl Workshop - CFP - Keynote
Larry Wall
Message-ID: <20051007065028.5c7369de@sovvan>
I don't know if anyone in the group has a chance to go to Budapest, but I just
got this announcement and thought I'd pass it on.
Begin forwarded message:
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 10:51:12 +0200
From: G?bor Szab?
To: Perl Monger Group coordinators
Subject: [pm_groups] 3rd Hungarian Perl Workshop - CFP - Keynote Larry Wall
Please forward this to your respective mailing lists.
Especially if your pm group is in a relatively short travel
distance from Budapest.
I am pleased to announce that the registration for the
3rd Hungarian Perl Workshop is now open.
I would like to invite every and all people using Perl
in our neighboring countries to participate in the
conference.
* Date: Saturday, 22nd October 2005
* Hours: 9:00-16:00
* Location: Budapest, Chazar Andras str. 10.
* Keynote speaker: Larry Wall
Participation is free of charge but registration is required.
You can register at http://conferences.yapceurope.org/hpw2005/
where you can also submit your talk proposals.
Talks should be either in English or in Hungarian.
In order to cover expenses we are also collecting donations from
the participants at the door. (Regular price of similar Perl
events in other European cities is 25-40 EURO/day)
If you need hotel arrangements please let me know by sending
e-mail to szabgab at gmail.com and we will try to point you to
relatively cheap hotels. Check out the wiki as well.
We also encourage using our wiki http://perl.conf.hu/
to organize Carpooling from other countries/cities.
So hurry up, it is less than 2 weeks away.
Gabor Szabo
organizer - foreign affairs
From gwadej at anomaly.org Fri Oct 7 20:38:37 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 22:38:37 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Door Prizes
Message-ID: <20051007223837.58e71faf@sovvan>
This month I have gotten a couple of books from O'Reilly on graphics and
Perl for door prizes for this month's meeting. Depending on how many people
show up, we can have a drawing or something for them.
See you on Tuesday night.
G. Wade
--
Ever wonder why the SAME PEOPLE make up ALL the conspiracy theories?
From chuckb at linuxtx.com Sun Oct 9 12:50:19 2005
From: chuckb at linuxtx.com (Charles Bentley)
Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2005 14:50:19 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Door Prizes
In-Reply-To: <20051007223837.58e71faf@sovvan>
References: <20051007223837.58e71faf@sovvan>
Message-ID: <1128887419.1887.7.camel@localhost.localdomain>
I have two "Higher Order Perl" books by Mark Jason Dominus that can be
used as door prizes if you like. Someone will need to come buy and pick
them up.
Chuck...
From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon Oct 10 18:25:52 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 20:25:52 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Tomorrow's meeting
Message-ID: <20051010202552.3f9b83ea@sovvan>
This is a final reminder for the meeting tomorrow night.
We will have our normal monthly meeting 7pm-9pm at the HAL-PC headquarters
Tuesday night, as usual. Bill Dillon will present on Graphics in Perl.
In addition, this month we have a pair of Perl books to give away as door
prizes.
Hope to see you all there.
G. Wade
--
Any time things appear to be going better, you have overlooked something.
From gwadej at anomaly.org Wed Oct 12 18:35:22 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:35:22 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Calling Python from Perl
Message-ID: <20051012203522.61e24255@sovvan>
During last night's meeting, the subject of calling Python from Perl came up
as a possible topic for next month.
I suggested that there might be an Inline::Python module that would help. I
knew there were other Inline::* modules, and figured that Inline::Python would
be a reasonable bet.
I turns out that the module does exist and it looks like it might be quite
useful (for anyone who speaks Python).
See http://search.cpan.org/~neilw/Inline-Python-0.22/Python.pod for details.
Would there be general interest in the topic of calling other languages from
Perl?
G. Wade
--
Ever wonder why the SAME PEOPLE make up ALL the conspiracy theories?
From gwadej at anomaly.org Wed Oct 12 18:56:23 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:56:23 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] List of PPM Repositories
Message-ID: <20051012205623.66a6a330@sovvan>
As I promised last night, here's the site with the list of alternate PPM
repositories: http://crazyinsomniac.perlmonk.org/perl/misc/Repositories.pm
It is a perl module containing all of the repositories he knows.
G. Wade
--
There are 2 possible outcomes: If the result confirms the hypothesis, then
you've made a measurement. If the result is contrary to the hypothesis,
then you've made a discovery. -- Enrico Fermi
From Wayne.A.Haufler at boeing.com Thu Oct 13 13:19:34 2005
From: Wayne.A.Haufler at boeing.com (Haufler, Wayne A)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:19:34 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Calling Python from Perl
Message-ID:
Speaking of calling Python from Perl,
this reminds me that I could benefit from the
reverse mechanism of calling Perl from Python.
I have been studying Blender3d (www.blender3d.org),
an open source 3D modeling and animation tool
with game engine for developing games (long-time dream).
Blender 3d uses Python as its gaming language,
but I'd like to use Perl, instead,
at least for some things.
Any one know of such a module?
Thanks,
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During last night's meeting, the subject of calling Python from Perl
came up as a possible topic for next month.
I suggested that there might be an Inline::Python module that would
help. I knew there were other Inline::* modules, and figured that
Inline::Python would be a reasonable bet.
I turns out that the module does exist and it looks like it might be
quite useful (for anyone who speaks Python).
See http://search.cpan.org/~neilw/Inline-Python-0.22/Python.pod for
details.
Would there be general interest in the topic of calling other languages
from Perl?
G. Wade
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Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 20:56:23 -0500
From: "G. Wade Johnson"
Subject: [pm-h] List of PPM Repositories
To: Houston Perl Mongers
Message-ID: <20051012205623.66a6a330 at sovvan>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
As I promised last night, here's the site with the list of alternate PPM
repositories:
http://crazyinsomniac.perlmonk.org/perl/misc/Repositories.pm
It is a perl module containing all of the repositories he knows.
G. Wade
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From gwadej at anomaly.org Thu Oct 13 17:42:13 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 19:42:13 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Calling Python from Perl
In-Reply-To:
References:
Message-ID: <20051013194213.53cf80e4@sovvan>
On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 15:19:34 -0500
"Haufler, Wayne A" wrote:
> Speaking of calling Python from Perl,
> this reminds me that I could benefit from the
> reverse mechanism of calling Perl from Python.
>
> I have been studying Blender3d (www.blender3d.org),
> an open source 3D modeling and animation tool
> with game engine for developing games (long-time dream).
> Blender 3d uses Python as its gaming language,
> but I'd like to use Perl, instead,
> at least for some things.
>
> Any one know of such a module?
> Thanks,
The documentation on Inline::Python had a section on calling Perl from Python,
but I didn't read it too carefully.
G. Wade
--
If you like laws and sausages, you should never watch either one being
made. -- Otto von Bismarck
From gwadej at anomaly.org Fri Oct 14 04:42:01 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 06:42:01 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Book Discounts
Message-ID: <20051014064201.0f19fa96@sovvan>
I was reading the latest O'Reilly UG Newsletter and noticed this:
Don't forget to remind your members about the 30% discount on
O'Reilly, No Starch, Paraglyph, PC Publishing, Pragmatic Bookshelf,
SitePoint, and Syngress books.
I had forgotten that our discount applies to more than just O'Reilly books. We
use the same discount code when ordering through O'Reilly for all of these
publishers.
G. Wade
--
I've been living on the edge too long, where the winds of limbo roar.
-- "Veteran of Psychic Wars", Blue Oyster Cult
From gwadej at anomaly.org Sat Oct 15 12:20:55 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:20:55 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Book Reviews
Message-ID: <20051015142055.36f3e861@sovvan>
In the last set of books I got from O'Reilly, we had an unexpected book. Would
anyone be interested in reviewing "Web Site Measurement Hacks"?
If you are interested, contact me and we'll find some way to get the book to
you.
Thanks,
G. Wade
--
We've all heard that a million monkeys banging on a million typewriters
will eventually reproduce the works of Shakespeare. Now, thanks to the
Internet, we know this is not true. -- Robert Wilensky, UCB
From gwadej at anomaly.org Sat Oct 15 12:51:54 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 14:51:54 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm Site updated
Message-ID: <20051015145154.1ed3fed9@sovvan>
I've updated the site with Bill's presentation from Tuesday.
G. Wade
--
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From James.Abel at halliburton.com Mon Oct 17 10:47:58 2005
From: James.Abel at halliburton.com (James Abel)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 12:47:58 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Interesting Use of Perl and ImageMagick Library
Message-ID: <0D59B72121BD4442ADD21AF16280179B02B85CD7@houexch301.corp.kbr.com>
Hot on the tails of our recent meeting on Graphics with Perl, I came
across this very intriguing use of the ImageMagick library, Perl, Flash,
and PHP. Instructions for how the interface was built are listed under
the main Flash image.
http://www.krazydad.com/visco/
James Abel
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From gwadej at anomaly.org Fri Oct 21 05:10:16 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:10:16 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Potential topics for upcoming meetings
Message-ID: <20051021071016.5df1ce5b@sovvan>
Here's a few suggestions for topics for upcoming meetings. Feel free to make
other suggestions if ther's something you'd rather see.
November - the Inline::* modules
(I'm not sure there's enough time to do a good job, but I'll try)
December - either skip it or do the Perl Advent Calendar
January - comparison of Perl GUI frameworks
These are the ones I've seen so far.
- Perl/Tk
- Prima
- Gtk2-Perl
- Qt.pm
- wxPerl
Any opinions?
G. Wade
--
Results are what you wanted, consequences are what you got.
-- Michael VanDusen
From gwadej at anomaly.org Fri Oct 21 05:13:30 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 07:13:30 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Meeting Technology
Message-ID: <20051021071330.6cb25da1@sovvan>
I was talking to Chuck a few days ago and he had a suggestion for the
meetings. He pointed out that it would be cool to provide our meetings in
real-time over the Net.
This would allow people who can't physically make it to still participate in
the meetings. We might even be able to archive some of the meeting for
download from the website.
Does anyone have any real experience with doing something like this?
G. Wade
--
Machines take me by surprise with great frequency. -- Alan Turing
From mikeflan at earthlink.net Sun Oct 30 17:19:52 2005
From: mikeflan at earthlink.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:19:52 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Meeting Technology
References: <20051021071330.6cb25da1@sovvan>
Message-ID: <43657138.7D81439F@earthlink.net>
"G. Wade Johnson" wrote:
> I was talking to Chuck a few days ago and he had a suggestion for the
> meetings. He pointed out that it would be cool to provide our meetings in
> real-time over the Net.
>
> This would allow people who can't physically make it to still participate in
> the meetings. We might even be able to archive some of the meeting for
> download from the website.
>
> Does anyone have any real experience with doing something like this?
>
> G. Wade
Wow, that is a great suggestion. I don't know why Chuck
was the only one to think of it. I'm guessing it's hard to do,
but maybe not. I don't have any experience doing that.
I guess just a sound track with a few posted slides would
do the job nicely for those with broad band.
Please assign this to somebody other than me :-)
I'm not the best person to pursue this great suggestion.
Mike Flannigan
From gwadej at anomaly.org Sun Oct 30 17:51:00 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:51:00 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Meeting Technology
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On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 19:19:52 -0600
Mike Flannigan wrote:
>
> "G. Wade Johnson" wrote:
>
> > I was talking to Chuck a few days ago and he had a suggestion for the
> > meetings. He pointed out that it would be cool to provide our meetings in
> > real-time over the Net.
> >
> > This would allow people who can't physically make it to still participate
> > in the meetings. We might even be able to archive some of the meeting for
> > download from the website.
> >
> > Does anyone have any real experience with doing something like this?
> >
> > G. Wade
>
> Wow, that is a great suggestion. I don't know why Chuck
> was the only one to think of it. I'm guessing it's hard to do,
> but maybe not. I don't have any experience doing that.
> I guess just a sound track with a few posted slides would
> do the job nicely for those with broad band.
>
> Please assign this to somebody other than me :-)
> I'm not the best person to pursue this great suggestion.
Well... Since this is a user group and not a business, I don't think any of us
could 'assign' something to anyone else.
The main thing I am looking for is anyone with any experience in this kind of
technology. (Or failing that, anyone who knows someone ...)
Chuck is probably right that this would really be useful for the group.
Recording the sessions and posting the audio might be a good first step, but
real-time (with archives) would be much cooler. A virtual meeting would make
it easier for those who don't live near the HAL-PC headquarters to
watch and maybe participate.
I guess I could look into recording the audio and putting it up for download.
That would at least give us a start.
Any other ideas, resources, or experience?
Thanks,
G. Wade
--
DON'T PANIC! I'm a trained professional, and far more qualified to panic in
this situation than you are.
From gwadej at anomaly.org Sun Oct 30 20:10:47 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:10:47 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Next Week's Meeting
Message-ID: <20051030221047.143c3e28@sovvan>
Just in time for next week's meeting, I've posted the preliminary meeting
topics for the next three meetings.
I'm pretty sure about next week. We'll be picking up from a question at last
month's meeting with "how to call other languages from Perl". Specifically,
I'll be reviewing the Inline modules.
The other two topics are more tentative and may change depending on interest
and time on the part of the presenters.
If you have an opinion on the topics or would like to volunteer to present,
either post to the list or email me directly.
Hope to see many of you at next week's meeting.
G. Wade
--
An expert is a person who has made all the mistakes that can be made in a
very narrow field. -- Niels Bohr
From chuckb at linuxtx.com Mon Oct 31 13:40:15 2005
From: chuckb at linuxtx.com (Charles Bentley)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 15:40:15 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Meeting Technology
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I read in the Perl Mongers mailing list that one of the groups is
posting recorded meetings. You might try asking for help on the Perl
Mongers mailing list.
Sorry I don't post much anymore. I'm just too tired.
Chuck...
On Sun, 2005-10-30 at 19:51 -0600, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
> The main thing I am looking for is anyone with any experience in this kind of
> technology. (Or failing that, anyone who knows someone ...)
From mikeflan at earthlink.net Mon Oct 31 18:23:43 2005
From: mikeflan at earthlink.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 20:23:43 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Potential topics for upcoming meetings
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"G. Wade Johnson" wrote:
> Here's a few suggestions for topics for upcoming meetings. Feel free to make
> other suggestions if ther's something you'd rather see.
>
> November - the Inline::* modules
> (I'm not sure there's enough time to do a good job, but I'll try)
>
> December - either skip it or do the Perl Advent Calendar
>
> January - comparison of Perl GUI frameworks
> These are the ones I've seen so far.
> - Perl/Tk
> - Prima
> - Gtk2-Perl
> - Qt.pm
> - wxPerl
>
> Any opinions?
>
> G. Wade
> --
Sounds like great topics. So Inline allows you to
put Java and other programing scripts right into
your Perl script, heh? Very handy.
Mike