From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Aug  1 18:32:55 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:32:55 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Meeting for August
Message-ID: <20050801203255.3437ea47@sovvan>

Hello everyone,

Just a quick reminder that the August meeting is next Tuesday, 7-9pm at the
HAL-PC headquarters, as usual.

Paul Archer will be presenting on two modules: Text::Query and Getopt::Long.

I hope to see many of you there.

G. Wade
-- 
There are trivial truths and there are great Truths. The opposite of a
trivial truth is obviously false. The opposite of a great Truth is also
true.                                                  -- Neils Bohr

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Aug  1 19:52:02 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 21:52:02 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Meeting for August
In-Reply-To: <20050801203255.3437ea47@sovvan>
References: <20050801203255.3437ea47@sovvan>
Message-ID: <20050801215202.5a814e9f@sovvan>

Correcting two items.

As Paul pointed out, I meant to say that the meeting is a week from tomorrow.
But a brain cramp messed me up a bit.

Item two, I apparently had an minor misconfiguration on the new list that did
not handle replies correctly. This has been fixed.

G. Wade

On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:32:55 -0500
"G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
> 
> Just a quick reminder that the August meeting is next Tuesday, 7-9pm at the
> HAL-PC headquarters, as usual.
> 
> Paul Archer will be presenting on two modules: Text::Query and Getopt::Long.
> 
> I hope to see many of you there.
> 
> G. Wade

-- 
A product's only late once, but it can suck forever.
                                     -- Ben Spees, Ambrosia Software

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Aug  8 04:57:59 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 06:57:59 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Reminder
Message-ID: <20050808065759.1108854c@sovvan>

Just a reminder to everyone that the August meeting is tomorrow. Paul Archer
will be talking about a couple of modules he used in a recent project.

I hope to see you there,
G. Wade
-- 
"I can only conclude that I'm paying off karma at a vastly accelerated
rate."                             -- Ivanova, "Points of Departure"

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Aug  9 19:11:56 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2005 21:11:56 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] August Meeting turnout.
Message-ID: <20050809211156.154b0dc5@sovvan>

Hello everyone,

This meeting had the best turnout we've seen in a year. Thanks again to
everyone who came to the meeting tonight.

Paul Archer gave an interesting talk that covered the modules Image::IPTCInfo,
Getopt::Long, and Text::Query. He described these modules in the context of
his program iptckeyword.

I'll be putting up information on the site once I get the latest version of
everything from Paul.

As an added bonus, Paul talked about setting up a MythTV system and
'volunteered' to answer questions on the subject if you would like to set one
up for yourself.

At the meeting, someone asked how many members were on the mailing list. I
have just checked and found that we have 71 addresses on the list instead of
the 60ish number I gave.

As always, the meeting times and topics are available on the web site at
http://houston.pm.org/.

Later,
G. Wade
-- 
Why do your people ask if someone's ready right before you are going to do
something massively unwise?        -- Delenn - "The War without End"

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sat Aug 13 14:56:05 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 16:56:05 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Group updates
Message-ID: <20050813165605.6c873637@sovvan>

The houston.pm.org web site has been updated with a summary of the last
meeting. I'll be checking with Paul about getting sample code one the site
soon.

At the meeting on Tuesday, we more questions about potential "social"
meetings. We had kind of talked about that before as a replacement for the
more technical meetings.

What does the group think about social meetings in addition to the techncial
meetings?

One of the attendees wanted to know if there would be any interest in
presentations on Class::DBI and/or the Template Toolkit. Would these topics be
of interest to anyone in the group?

Later,
G. Wade
-- 
A product's only late once, but it can suck forever.
                                     -- Ben Spees, Ambrosia Software

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sat Aug 13 15:15:52 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 17:15:52 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Livening up the Group
Message-ID: <20050813171552.0d7b462a@sovvan>

At different points in time, we have discussed ways to liven up the group a
bit.

We've suggested social gatherings (in place of or in addition to) our normal
meetings.

We've talked about changing the time and/or place we meet.

At the latest meeting, we even had suggestions of supplying food or beer to
convince people.<grin/>

Another idea that I've seen suggested elsewhere is a group project. The group
works on one or more projects that are of interest to the members. This helps
keep all of our skills sharp and helps newer Perl programmers learn the
language through practice.

One project that I've been hearing goo things about is the Phalanx Project.
(http://qa.perl.org/phalanx/) The idea of the project is to help improve the
testing of all of the modules on CPAN. The project is currently focusing on
the top 100 modules (based on rough usage statistics) at the moment.

In addition to the obvious benefits of practicing our Perl skills, this
project might have several other benefits to each of us.

  * give us all practice in Perl's Testing modules
  * more in-depth understanding of important Perl modules
  * giving something to the Perl community
  * possible credits for work on major modules

In addition, experience with the modules and process associated with CPAN
might make you think about publishing your own modules on CPAN.

Email the group if you have any opinion (good or bad) about any of these
ideas.

Later,
G. Wade
-- 
"And so it begins"                                -- Ambassador Kosh

From tigger at io.com  Sat Aug 13 19:44:20 2005
From: tigger at io.com (Paul Archer)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:44:20 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [pm-h] Livening up the Group
In-Reply-To: <20050813171552.0d7b462a@sovvan>
References: <20050813171552.0d7b462a@sovvan>
Message-ID: <20050813214214.J94626@fnord.io.com>

I like the idea of a group project. Phalanx might be a bit much to jump into 
(or not). It just sounds intimidating.
Maybe we could come up with something a little more local. Maybe something 
that we could end up on a web server somewhere as a resource for Houstonians 
(geeks or general population).

Paul



5:15pm, G. Wade Johnson wrote:

> At different points in time, we have discussed ways to liven up the group a
> bit.
>
> We've suggested social gatherings (in place of or in addition to) our normal
> meetings.
>
> We've talked about changing the time and/or place we meet.
>
> At the latest meeting, we even had suggestions of supplying food or beer to
> convince people.<grin/>
>
> Another idea that I've seen suggested elsewhere is a group project. The group
> works on one or more projects that are of interest to the members. This helps
> keep all of our skills sharp and helps newer Perl programmers learn the
> language through practice.
>
> One project that I've been hearing goo things about is the Phalanx Project.
> (http://qa.perl.org/phalanx/) The idea of the project is to help improve the
> testing of all of the modules on CPAN. The project is currently focusing on
> the top 100 modules (based on rough usage statistics) at the moment.
>
> In addition to the obvious benefits of practicing our Perl skills, this
> project might have several other benefits to each of us.
>
>  * give us all practice in Perl's Testing modules
>  * more in-depth understanding of important Perl modules
>  * giving something to the Perl community
>  * possible credits for work on major modules
>
> In addition, experience with the modules and process associated with CPAN
> might make you think about publishing your own modules on CPAN.
>
> Email the group if you have any opinion (good or bad) about any of these
> ideas.
>
> Later,
> G. Wade
> -- 
> "And so it begins"                                -- Ambassador Kosh
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>

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Common sense and a sense of humor are the same thing, moving at
different speeds.  A sense of humor is just common sense, dancing.
-------------------------- Clive James---------------------------

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Aug 14 14:59:11 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2005 16:59:11 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Cleaning up inherited Perl code
Message-ID: <20050814165911.17f5ef10@sovvan>

OSCON 4.5: Extreme Perl Makeover
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/7551

This is an article about a talk at OSCON. One of the more interesting points
was a module for refactoring that works with the Perl Eclipse plugin (for
those people who prefer an IDE to vi.<grin/>)

Later,
G. Wade
-- 
As a software development model, Anarchy does not scale well.
                                                       -- Dave Welch

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Aug 16 20:19:57 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:19:57 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Livening up the Group
In-Reply-To: <20050813214214.J94626@fnord.io.com>
References: <20050813171552.0d7b462a@sovvan>
	<20050813214214.J94626@fnord.io.com>
Message-ID: <20050816221957.497d7fda@sovvan>

On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:44:20 -0500 (CDT)
Paul Archer <tigger at io.com> wrote:

> I like the idea of a group project. Phalanx might be a bit much to jump into
> (or not). It just sounds intimidating.

The general thrust of Phalanx is writing unit tests for standard modules. It
shouldn't be too (technically) difficult. Although there may be some
organizational difficulties.

> Maybe we could come up with something a little more local. Maybe something 
> that we could end up on a web server somewhere as a resource for Houstonians
> 
> (geeks or general population).
> 
> Paul

Anybody have any ideas about a project they would like to see or work on?

Later,
G. Wade

-- 
"No Boom today. Boom tomorrow, There's always a boom tomorrow."
                                                 -- Ivanova, "Grail"

From sisk at mojotoad.com  Tue Aug 16 20:27:59 2005
From: sisk at mojotoad.com (Matt Sisk)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2005 23:27:59 -0400
Subject: [pm-h] Livening up the Group
In-Reply-To: <20050816221957.497d7fda@sovvan>
References: <20050813171552.0d7b462a@sovvan>
	<20050813214214.J94626@fnord.io.com> <20050816221957.497d7fda@sovvan>
Message-ID: <20050816232759.z5wk40c0wskscs40@webmail.spamcop.net>

> Anybody have any ideas about a project they would like to see or work on?

Perhaps I'm unduly influenced by my bike ride today, but I'm somewhat interested
in the idea of a wireless bayou-cam network. In particular, strategically placed
web cams that, via (hopefully also conveniently located) wireless hookups, could
be aggregated on a site to monitor such interesting things as flood conditions
on the bayous, bat colony activity under the Waugh street bridge, bayou
flotsam/jetsom monitoring (via diffs), etc.

(I'm not much of a spy cam kind of guy, so some thought would have to go into
the positioning of such cameras).

Programming for such a site aside, there would be other real obstacles --
wireless access, theft or vandalism of cams, ...

Those working 'in the field' should be comfortable with sweat, mosquitoes, and
the alluring stench of bat guano. ;)

Matt

From mikeflan at earthlink.net  Thu Aug 18 06:13:19 2005
From: mikeflan at earthlink.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:13:19 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Livening up the Group
References: <20050813171552.0d7b462a@sovvan>
	<20050813214214.J94626@fnord.io.com> <20050816221957.497d7fda@sovvan>
Message-ID: <4304896F.67A5622C@earthlink.net>


"G. Wade Johnson" wrote:

> On Sat, 13 Aug 2005 21:44:20 -0500 (CDT)
> Paul Archer <tigger at io.com> wrote:
>
> > I like the idea of a group project. Phalanx might be a bit much to jump into
> > (or not). It just sounds intimidating.
>
> The general thrust of Phalanx is writing unit tests for standard modules. It
> shouldn't be too (technically) difficult. Although there may be some
> organizational difficulties.
>
> > Maybe we could come up with something a little more local. Maybe something
> > that we could end up on a web server somewhere as a resource for Houstonians
> >
> > (geeks or general population).
> >
> > Paul
>
> Anybody have any ideas about a project they would like to see or work on?
>
> Later,
> G. Wade

I was thinking like Paul - maybe Phalanx is a bit much for us
to take on.  But after hearing from Wade I'm thinking I
might learn a few things if we do take on that project.  Lead
the way Wade.

Writing unit tests for modules, heh?  I'd like to do either one
of the Geo modules, a serial port module, or who knows
what.  I'd really like to do the Geo module that gives lat/long
from a street address and vice versa, but that is probably a
bit much for us.

I think something like the HTML table extract module would be
maybe too much for us.  Let's hear some ideas.

The bayou-cam network idea is interesting, but we need a
sugar daddy to make that one happen.  Just my opinion.

After the Phalanx thing is done, I would like to see us
build some kind of local - Houston - application.


Mike



From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Aug 18 06:51:22 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:51:22 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Livening up the Group
In-Reply-To: <4304896F.67A5622C@earthlink.net>
References: <20050813171552.0d7b462a@sovvan>
	<20050813214214.J94626@fnord.io.com>
	<20050816221957.497d7fda@sovvan> <4304896F.67A5622C@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20050818085122.4a5beafb@sovvan>

On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 08:13:19 -0500
Mike Flannigan <mikeflan at earthlink.net> wrote:

> I was thinking like Paul - maybe Phalanx is a bit much for us
> to take on.  But after hearing from Wade I'm thinking I
> might learn a few things if we do take on that project.  Lead
> the way Wade.

We could take a look at the Phalanx 100, which is the list of modules they are
currently focusing on, and choose one that generates some interest.

http://qa.perl.org/phalanx/100/

> Writing unit tests for modules, heh?  I'd like to do either one
> of the Geo modules, a serial port module, or who knows
> what.  I'd really like to do the Geo module that gives lat/long
> from a street address and vice versa, but that is probably a
> bit much for us.

I didn't see any Geo modules on the top 100. But, we could always pick modules
outside the 100. We'd have to look into contacting the author with changes and
such.

> I think something like the HTML table extract module would be
> maybe too much for us.  Let's hear some ideas.

There seem to be a wide range of modules in the list. You can get an idea of
the testing coverage for different modules from
http://pjcj.sytes.net/cpancover/

> The bayou-cam network idea is interesting, but we need a
> sugar daddy to make that one happen.  Just my opinion.

I have to agree. It sounds like a really fun project. Possibly could get some
support from the Houston Parks organizations.

> After the Phalanx thing is done, I would like to see us
> build some kind of local - Houston - application.

I actually don't see any reason why we couldn't do multiple projects at once.
We will probably not be able to get 60-70 people to all agree on one thing
they want to work on. Running two or three projects with different goals and
levels of difficulty would give everyone a chance to get in on the fun.

By using the meetings and mailing list to coordinate and discuss the projects,
we could get the brainpower of the whole group on any blocking problems.

I think if we have some hands-on type projects running, we'll be able to get
more particpation. (At least we'll have some thing to talk about.)

Later,
G. Wade
-- 
"Mister Garibaldi, there're days I'm very glad I don't have to think like
you do."                     -- Ivanova, "And the Sky Full of Stars"

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Aug 18 19:28:10 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2005 21:28:10 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Another idea for the group
Message-ID: <20050818212810.6413bdb8@sovvan>

I was thinking about projects for the group today and thought of something
else that the group might be interested in.

A few months ago, I stumbled across the concept of "Code Katas" on Pragmatic
Dave's weblog. A Code Kata is a programming exercise with the sole purpose of
improving your skills. This is not necessarily a program you write for a
project, it's just practice code.
(http://blogs.pragprog.com/cgi-bin/pragdave.cgi/Practices/CodeKata.rdoc)

On Perl.com, I've seen three Perl Code Katas:
* Perl Code Kata: Mocking Objects
  (http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/04/07/mockobject_kata.html)
* Perl Code Kata: Testing Databases
  (http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/02/10/database_kata.html)
* Perl Code Kata: Testing Taint
  (http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2004/10/21/taint_testing_kata.html)

We could start our own list of Katas and practice with them. We could post
various solutions to the list and discuss what we like and dislike about
them.

We could archive the problems and particularly interesting approaches on the
web site for other people to use.

Any thoughts?

G. Wade
-- 
Don't kill him!! If you kill him, he won't learn nothin'!
                                    -- The Riddler, "Batman Forever"

From mikeflan at earthlink.net  Fri Aug 19 03:40:35 2005
From: mikeflan at earthlink.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 05:40:35 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Livening up the Group
References: <20050813171552.0d7b462a@sovvan>
	<20050813214214.J94626@fnord.io.com>
	<20050816221957.497d7fda@sovvan> <4304896F.67A5622C@earthlink.net>
	<20050818085122.4a5beafb@sovvan>
Message-ID: <4305B723.1D9A8748@earthlink.net>


"G. Wade Johnson" wrote:

>
> We could take a look at the Phalanx 100, which is the list of modules they are
> currently focusing on, and choose one that generates some interest.
>
> http://qa.perl.org/phalanx/100/
>

That Archive-Zip module needs testing.  It's slow and it fails
every once in a while - less than 1% of the time.


snip

>
> There seem to be a wide range of modules in the list. You can get an idea of
> the testing coverage for different modules from
> http://pjcj.sytes.net/cpancover/
>

Yeah, they seem to be pretty far along in the testing.  You
get the feeling they will be largely done by the end of this
year.

I think if we took on Phalanx as a group activity, very
few people would actually contribute.  It looks too
hard and boring to me  :-)



> I have to agree. It sounds like a really fun project. Possibly could get some
> support from the Houston Parks organizations.
>
> > After the Phalanx thing is done, I would like to see us
> > build some kind of local - Houston - application.
>
> I actually don't see any reason why we couldn't do multiple projects at once.
> We will probably not be able to get 60-70 people to all agree on one thing
> they want to work on. Running two or three projects with different goals and
> levels of difficulty would give everyone a chance to get in on the fun.
>
> By using the meetings and mailing list to coordinate and discuss the projects,
> we could get the brainpower of the whole group on any blocking problems.
>
> I think if we have some hands-on type projects running, we'll be able to get
> more particpation. (At least we'll have some thing to talk about.)
>
>


From mikeflan at earthlink.net  Fri Aug 19 03:57:08 2005
From: mikeflan at earthlink.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 05:57:08 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Another idea for the group
References: <20050818212810.6413bdb8@sovvan>
Message-ID: <4305BB04.A52FFE56@earthlink.net>


"G. Wade Johnson" wrote:

> I was thinking about projects for the group today and thought of something
> else that the group might be interested in.
>
> A few months ago, I stumbled across the concept of "Code Katas" on Pragmatic
> Dave's weblog. A Code Kata is a programming exercise with the sole purpose of
> improving your skills. This is not necessarily a program you write for a
> project, it's just practice code.
> (http://blogs.pragprog.com/cgi-bin/pragdave.cgi/Practices/CodeKata.rdoc)
>
> On Perl.com, I've seen three Perl Code Katas:
> * Perl Code Kata: Mocking Objects
>   (http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/04/07/mockobject_kata.html)
> * Perl Code Kata: Testing Databases
>   (http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/02/10/database_kata.html)
> * Perl Code Kata: Testing Taint
>   (http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2004/10/21/taint_testing_kata.html)
>
> We could start our own list of Katas and practice with them. We could post
> various solutions to the list and discuss what we like and dislike about
> them.
>
> We could archive the problems and particularly interesting approaches on the
> web site for other people to use.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> G. Wade

Interesting.  If you think you can find something that we
would all enjoy doing, start it off.  Maybe something very
simple would pull people in and get them thinking.

Maybe some kind of html extraction routine would be
something our members could use.


Mike



From gwadej at anomaly.org  Fri Aug 19 05:58:39 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 07:58:39 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Livening up the Group
In-Reply-To: <4305B723.1D9A8748@earthlink.net>
References: <20050813171552.0d7b462a@sovvan>
	<20050813214214.J94626@fnord.io.com>
	<20050816221957.497d7fda@sovvan> <4304896F.67A5622C@earthlink.net>
	<20050818085122.4a5beafb@sovvan> <4305B723.1D9A8748@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20050819075839.4cd33f66@sovvan>

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 05:40:35 -0500
Mike Flannigan <mikeflan at earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> "G. Wade Johnson" wrote:
> 
> >
> > We could take a look at the Phalanx 100, which is the list of modules they
> > are currently focusing on, and choose one that generates some interest.
> >
> > http://qa.perl.org/phalanx/100/
> >
> 
> That Archive-Zip module needs testing.  It's slow and it fails
> every once in a while - less than 1% of the time.

The best way to get things like that fixed is with test cases that help to
reproduce the problem. (At least, that is the theory.) That's part of what the
project is about.

> snip
> 
> >
> > There seem to be a wide range of modules in the list. You can get an idea
> > of the testing coverage for different modules from
> > http://pjcj.sytes.net/cpancover/
> >
> 
> Yeah, they seem to be pretty far along in the testing.  You
> get the feeling they will be largely done by the end of this
> year.

A short while back, I decided to make my Text::Graph module have 100% coverage
in the testing. It was a surprise to see how long it takes to go those last
few percent. I don't think they are as close as you think.

> I think if we took on Phalanx as a group activity, very
> few people would actually contribute.  It looks too
> hard and boring to me  :-)

That may be a fair assessment.<grin/> I thought we might like to try it for
several reasons:

 * "Real" practice in Perl (for those who aren't doing Perl regularly)
 * Practice with Perl testing modules
 * Help out any modules that you might particularly have an interest in
 * Helping CPAN improve.

Granted it is a fair amount of work. If anyone in group has any interest, let
me know and we might start working with just a few of us.

<snip/>

Thanks for the input, Mike.

Does anyone else have any opinions, or does Mike speak for the group?

Later,
G. Wade
-- 
That which does not kill me makes me stranger.         -- Larry Wall

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Fri Aug 19 06:22:22 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 08:22:22 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Another idea for the group
In-Reply-To: <4305BB04.A52FFE56@earthlink.net>
References: <20050818212810.6413bdb8@sovvan> <4305BB04.A52FFE56@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20050819082222.5991745d@sovvan>

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 05:57:08 -0500
Mike Flannigan <mikeflan at earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> "G. Wade Johnson" wrote:
> 

<snip/>

> > We could start our own list of Katas and practice with them. We could post
> > various solutions to the list and discuss what we like and dislike about
> > them.
> >
> > We could archive the problems and particularly interesting approaches on
> > the web site for other people to use.
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > G. Wade
> 
> Interesting.  If you think you can find something that we
> would all enjoy doing, start it off.  Maybe something very
> simple would pull people in and get them thinking.

I can think of a few "small" programming ideas that might make good Katas.
Unfortunately, picking good problems requires a good understanding of the
abilities of the people in the group.

> Maybe some kind of html extraction routine would be
> something our members could use.

I can see breaking this down into a few different problems that might make
good Katas:

 * Retrieve an HTML page over HTTP.
   - The simple case is easy with LWP
   - There are many variations that can make it interesting.

 * Convert an HTML page to text.
   - Remove tags.
   - Remove tags without losing basic formatting (paragraphs, bold, etc.)

 * Extract information from a few specific tags
   - Get all of the images
   - Get all of the links
   - Get only the outbound links

 * Find a particular table and extract the data from it.

I see these problems as (kind of) getting successively more challenging.
However, there are modules from CPAN that will solve each of them with minimal
effort.

Some problems in a different direction include:

 * Choosing a random item from a list.
   - The total number of items is known.
   - The total number of items is not known.

 * Picking files from a directory.
   - The ten most recent
   - Any that are older than 1 hour
   - Choose one at random

 * Generate a filename based on date. (Easy problem with some twists)
   - The format of the name
     - The format of the name depends on what you are using it for.
     - Some formats are more useful than others.
   - The date to use
     - Today's date
     - Yesterday's date
     - The date of the last weekday
     - The date of the end of this week

If anyone thinks this is an interesting idea, we can discuss it on the list.

Later,
G. Wade
-- 
A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming is not
worth knowing.                                        -- Alan Perlis

From sisk at mojotoad.com  Fri Aug 19 09:11:03 2005
From: sisk at mojotoad.com (Matt Sisk)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:11:03 -0400
Subject: [pm-h] Livening up the Group
In-Reply-To: <4304896F.67A5622C@earthlink.net>
References: <20050813171552.0d7b462a@sovvan>
	<20050813214214.J94626@fnord.io.com> <20050816221957.497d7fda@sovvan>
	<4304896F.67A5622C@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20050819121103.mqx28go4c4k0cg8w@webmail.spamcop.net>

> I think something like the HTML table extract module would be
> maybe too much for us.  Let's hear some ideas.

Oh, I don't know about that, considering the author (me) is one of your local
members. ;)

Although last I checked, H::TE wasn't on the Phalanx list.

Cheers,
Matt

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Fri Aug 19 09:40:15 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:40:15 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Livening up the Group
In-Reply-To: <20050819121103.mqx28go4c4k0cg8w@webmail.spamcop.net>
References: <20050813171552.0d7b462a@sovvan>
	<20050813214214.J94626@fnord.io.com>
	<20050816221957.497d7fda@sovvan> <4304896F.67A5622C@earthlink.net>
	<20050819121103.mqx28go4c4k0cg8w@webmail.spamcop.net>
Message-ID: <20050819114015.6c3a3b6c@sovvan>

On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:11:03 -0400
Matt Sisk <sisk at mojotoad.com> wrote:

> > I think something like the HTML table extract module would be
> > maybe too much for us.  Let's hear some ideas.
> 
> Oh, I don't know about that, considering the author (me) is one of your
> local members. ;)
> 
> Although last I checked, H::TE wasn't on the Phalanx list.

Cool! Any interest in doing a quick presentation to show us how it works and
should be used?

G. Wade
-- 
DON'T PANIC! I'm a trained professional, and far more qualified to panic in
this situation than you are.

From sisk at mojotoad.com  Fri Aug 19 10:41:01 2005
From: sisk at mojotoad.com (Matt Sisk)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 13:41:01 -0400
Subject: [pm-h] Livening up the Group
In-Reply-To: <20050819114015.6c3a3b6c@sovvan>
References: <20050813171552.0d7b462a@sovvan>
	<20050813214214.J94626@fnord.io.com> <20050816221957.497d7fda@sovvan>
	<4304896F.67A5622C@earthlink.net>
	<20050819121103.mqx28go4c4k0cg8w@webmail.spamcop.net>
	<20050819114015.6c3a3b6c@sovvan>
Message-ID: <20050819134101.gyfkgck0ck40c040@webmail.spamcop.net>

> Cool! Any interest in doing a quick presentation to show us how it works and
> should be used?

Perhaps eventually -- I'll let you know.

In the meantime I need to actually show up at a meeting!

Matt

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Aug 25 04:58:05 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 06:58:05 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Upcoming meetings
Message-ID: <20050825065805.1a181c94@sovvan>

Do we have any volunteers to present at the October or November meetings?

If you don't want to volunteer, do you have any ideas for a presentation?

Last year we took a break in December for the holidays.
Do we want to do the same this year?

G. Wade
-- 
Don't kill him!! If you kill him, he won't learn nothin'!
                                    -- The Riddler, "Batman Forever"

From tigger at io.com  Thu Aug 25 07:22:09 2005
From: tigger at io.com (Paul Archer)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:22:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [pm-h] Upcoming meetings
In-Reply-To: <20050825065805.1a181c94@sovvan>
References: <20050825065805.1a181c94@sovvan>
Message-ID: <20050825091905.L333@fnord.io.com>

Personally, I'm getting interested in getting into Mason again 
(www.masonhq.com). For those who don't know, it's a Perl-based framework for 
html server/services--kind of Perl's answer to Java's JSPs.
We could look at what it takes to set it up, and try writing a page or two.

Paul


6:58am, G. Wade Johnson wrote:

> Do we have any volunteers to present at the October or November meetings?
>
> If you don't want to volunteer, do you have any ideas for a presentation?
>
> Last year we took a break in December for the holidays.
> Do we want to do the same this year?
>
> G. Wade
> -- 
> Don't kill him!! If you kill him, he won't learn nothin'!
>                                    -- The Riddler, "Batman Forever"
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>

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are continually labeled as 'e-mail viruses' or 'Internet worms,'
rather than the more correct designation of 'Windows viruses' or
'Microsoft Outlook viruses.'"              --Robert X. Cringely
----------------------------------------------------------------

From willis3140 at hotmail.com  Thu Aug 25 07:59:46 2005
From: willis3140 at hotmail.com (Will Willis)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:59:46 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Upcoming meetings
In-Reply-To: <20050825091905.L333@fnord.io.com>
Message-ID: <BAY106-F1251218DFDB1022296655ACDAB0@phx.gbl>

Mason sounds like a great idea for a topic. I'll be there.

-Will



>From: Paul Archer <tigger at io.com>
>Reply-To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." <houston at pm.org>
>To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." <houston at pm.org>
>Subject: Re: [pm-h] Upcoming meetings
>Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:22:09 -0500 (CDT)
>
>Personally, I'm getting interested in getting into Mason again
>(www.masonhq.com). For those who don't know, it's a Perl-based framework 
>for
>html server/services--kind of Perl's answer to Java's JSPs.
>We could look at what it takes to set it up, and try writing a page or two.
>
>Paul
>
>
>6:58am, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
>
> > Do we have any volunteers to present at the October or November 
>meetings?
> >
> > If you don't want to volunteer, do you have any ideas for a 
>presentation?
> >
> > Last year we took a break in December for the holidays.
> > Do we want to do the same this year?
> >
> > G. Wade
> > --
> > Don't kill him!! If you kill him, he won't learn nothin'!
> >                                    -- The Riddler, "Batman Forever"
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> >
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>The wonder of all the Internet security problems is that they
>are continually labeled as 'e-mail viruses' or 'Internet worms,'
>rather than the more correct designation of 'Windows viruses' or
>'Microsoft Outlook viruses.'"              --Robert X. Cringely
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>_______________________________________________
>Houston mailing list
>Houston at pm.org
>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston



From kristoferhoch at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 25 10:16:11 2005
From: kristoferhoch at yahoo.com (Kristofer Hoch)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pm-h] Upcoming meetings
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-F1251218DFDB1022296655ACDAB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050825171611.65207.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

HTML::Mason is fun.  I recently built an entire database system using
it.  


--- Will Willis <willis3140 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> Mason sounds like a great idea for a topic. I'll be there.
> 
> -Will
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Paul Archer <tigger at io.com>
> >Reply-To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." <houston at pm.org>
> >To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." <houston at pm.org>
> >Subject: Re: [pm-h] Upcoming meetings
> >Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:22:09 -0500 (CDT)
> >
> >Personally, I'm getting interested in getting into Mason again
> >(www.masonhq.com). For those who don't know, it's a Perl-based
> framework 
> >for
> >html server/services--kind of Perl's answer to Java's JSPs.
> >We could look at what it takes to set it up, and try writing a page
> or two.
> >
> >Paul
> >
> >
> >6:58am, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
> >
> > > Do we have any volunteers to present at the October or November 
> >meetings?
> > >
> > > If you don't want to volunteer, do you have any ideas for a 
> >presentation?
> > >
> > > Last year we took a break in December for the holidays.
> > > Do we want to do the same this year?
> > >
> > > G. Wade
> > > --
> > > Don't kill him!! If you kill him, he won't learn nothin'!
> > >                                    -- The Riddler, "Batman
> Forever"
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Houston mailing list
> > > Houston at pm.org
> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > >
> >
> >----------------------------------------------------------------
> >The wonder of all the Internet security problems is that they
> >are continually labeled as 'e-mail viruses' or 'Internet worms,'
> >rather than the more correct designation of 'Windows viruses' or
> >'Microsoft Outlook viruses.'"              --Robert X. Cringely
> >----------------------------------------------------------------
> >_______________________________________________
> >Houston mailing list
> >Houston at pm.org
> >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> 


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From willis3140 at hotmail.com  Fri Aug 26 11:31:08 2005
From: willis3140 at hotmail.com (Will Willis)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:31:08 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Upcoming meetings
In-Reply-To: <20050825065805.1a181c94@sovvan>
Message-ID: <BAY106-F33071EEE86FC6A9188C365CDAA0@phx.gbl>


>If you don't want to volunteer, do you have any ideas for a presentation?

Some things I would be interested in hearing/learning would be:

1) How to use the Eclipse IDE using EPIC,(Eclipse Perl integration)
http://www.perl.com/lpt/a/2005/08/25/tools.html

2) A presentation on other popular scripting languages, their strengths and 
weaknesses, etc. (Ruby / Pyhton / Whatever others may be using)

3) Writing modules for CPAN. this could be spanned over 2 meetings.
   a. Theories behind writing good perl moudles (Object Oriented and 
functional [using Exporter])
   b. How to register for and promote modules to the CPAN

-Will





>From: "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org>
>Reply-To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." <houston at pm.org>
>To: Houston Perl Mongers <houston at pm.org>
>Subject: [pm-h] Upcoming meetings
>Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 06:58:05 -0500
>
>Do we have any volunteers to present at the October or November meetings?
>
>If you don't want to volunteer, do you have any ideas for a presentation?
>
>Last year we took a break in December for the holidays.
>Do we want to do the same this year?
>
>G. Wade
>--
>Don't kill him!! If you kill him, he won't learn nothin'!
>                                     -- The Riddler, "Batman Forever"
>_______________________________________________
>Houston mailing list
>Houston at pm.org
>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston



From gwadej at anomaly.org  Fri Aug 26 17:29:34 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:29:34 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Upcoming meetings
In-Reply-To: <20050825171611.65207.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <BAY106-F1251218DFDB1022296655ACDAB0@phx.gbl>
	<20050825171611.65207.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20050826192934.5f5ef689@sovvan>

Well, it sounds like we might have two people capable of telling the rest of
us a bit about Mason.

How about it Paul or Kristofer? Either of you interested for a talk this year?

G. Wade

On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
Kristofer Hoch <kristoferhoch at yahoo.com> wrote:

> HTML::Mason is fun.  I recently built an entire database system using
> it.  
> 
> 
> --- Will Willis <willis3140 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Mason sounds like a great idea for a topic. I'll be there.
> > 
> > -Will
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > >From: Paul Archer <tigger at io.com>
> > >Reply-To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." <houston at pm.org>
> > >To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." <houston at pm.org>
> > >Subject: Re: [pm-h] Upcoming meetings
> > >Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:22:09 -0500 (CDT)
> > >
> > >Personally, I'm getting interested in getting into Mason again
> > >(www.masonhq.com). For those who don't know, it's a Perl-based
> > framework 
> > >for
> > >html server/services--kind of Perl's answer to Java's JSPs.
> > >We could look at what it takes to set it up, and try writing a page
> > or two.
> > >
> > >Paul
> > >
> > >
> > >6:58am, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
> > >
> > > > Do we have any volunteers to present at the October or November 
> > >meetings?
> > > >
> > > > If you don't want to volunteer, do you have any ideas for a 
> > >presentation?
> > > >
> > > > Last year we took a break in December for the holidays.
> > > > Do we want to do the same this year?
> > > >
> > > > G. Wade
> > > > --
> > > > Don't kill him!! If you kill him, he won't learn nothin'!
> > > >                                    -- The Riddler, "Batman
> > Forever"
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Houston mailing list
> > > > Houston at pm.org
> > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > > >
> > >
> > >----------------------------------------------------------------
> > >The wonder of all the Internet security problems is that they
> > >are continually labeled as 'e-mail viruses' or 'Internet worms,'
> > >rather than the more correct designation of 'Windows viruses' or
> > >'Microsoft Outlook viruses.'"              --Robert X. Cringely
> > >----------------------------------------------------------------
> > >_______________________________________________
> > >Houston mailing list
> > >Houston at pm.org
> > >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > 
> 
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Fri Aug 26 17:31:30 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 19:31:30 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Upcoming meetings
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-F33071EEE86FC6A9188C365CDAA0@phx.gbl>
References: <20050825065805.1a181c94@sovvan>
	<BAY106-F33071EEE86FC6A9188C365CDAA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20050826193130.05f10277@sovvan>

These all sound like interesting topics, Will. Anyone know much about these
topics?

I know we have a couple of people in the group who have CPAN modules, would
anyone be interested in giving some pointers in that area?

G. Wade

On Fri, 26 Aug 2005 13:31:08 -0500
"Will Willis" <willis3140 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> 
> >If you don't want to volunteer, do you have any ideas for a presentation?
> 
> Some things I would be interested in hearing/learning would be:
> 
> 1) How to use the Eclipse IDE using EPIC,(Eclipse Perl integration)
> http://www.perl.com/lpt/a/2005/08/25/tools.html
> 
> 2) A presentation on other popular scripting languages, their strengths and 
> weaknesses, etc. (Ruby / Pyhton / Whatever others may be using)
> 
> 3) Writing modules for CPAN. this could be spanned over 2 meetings.
>    a. Theories behind writing good perl moudles (Object Oriented and 
> functional [using Exporter])
>    b. How to register for and promote modules to the CPAN
> 
> -Will
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org>
> >Reply-To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." <houston at pm.org>
> >To: Houston Perl Mongers <houston at pm.org>
> >Subject: [pm-h] Upcoming meetings
> >Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 06:58:05 -0500
> >
> >Do we have any volunteers to present at the October or November meetings?
> >
> >If you don't want to volunteer, do you have any ideas for a presentation?
> >
> >Last year we took a break in December for the holidays.
> >Do we want to do the same this year?
> >
> >G. Wade
> >--
> >Don't kill him!! If you kill him, he won't learn nothin'!
> >                                     -- The Riddler, "Batman Forever"
> >_______________________________________________
> >Houston mailing list
> >Houston at pm.org
> >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston


-- 
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From tigger at io.com  Fri Aug 26 18:15:26 2005
From: tigger at io.com (Paul Archer)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 20:15:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [pm-h] Upcoming meetings
In-Reply-To: <20050826192934.5f5ef689@sovvan>
References: <BAY106-F1251218DFDB1022296655ACDAB0@phx.gbl>
	<20050825171611.65207.qmail@web33313.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<20050826192934.5f5ef689@sovvan>
Message-ID: <20050826201236.Y75336@eris.io.com>

Well, I have played with Mason a bit, but it sounds like Kristofer has a lot 
more experience with it.
Of course, by the time we have a meeting where we talk about Mason, I may be 
more familiar with it. Still, K is probably a better bet for a talk.

Paul


7:29pm, G. Wade Johnson wrote:

> Well, it sounds like we might have two people capable of telling the rest of
> us a bit about Mason.
>
> How about it Paul or Kristofer? Either of you interested for a talk this year?
>
> G. Wade
>
> On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
> Kristofer Hoch <kristoferhoch at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> HTML::Mason is fun.  I recently built an entire database system using
>> it.
>>
>>
>> --- Will Willis <willis3140 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mason sounds like a great idea for a topic. I'll be there.
>>>
>>> -Will
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Paul Archer <tigger at io.com>
>>>> Reply-To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." <houston at pm.org>
>>>> To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." <houston at pm.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [pm-h] Upcoming meetings
>>>> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:22:09 -0500 (CDT)
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I'm getting interested in getting into Mason again
>>>> (www.masonhq.com). For those who don't know, it's a Perl-based
>>> framework
>>>> for
>>>> html server/services--kind of Perl's answer to Java's JSPs.
>>>> We could look at what it takes to set it up, and try writing a page
>>> or two.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 6:58am, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do we have any volunteers to present at the October or November
>>>> meetings?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't want to volunteer, do you have any ideas for a
>>>> presentation?
>>>>>
>>>>> Last year we took a break in December for the holidays.
>>>>> Do we want to do the same this year?
>>>>>
>>>>> G. Wade
>>>>> --
>>>>> Don't kill him!! If you kill him, he won't learn nothin'!
>>>>>                                    -- The Riddler, "Batman
>>> Forever"
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Houston mailing list
>>>>> Houston at pm.org
>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> The wonder of all the Internet security problems is that they
>>>> are continually labeled as 'e-mail viruses' or 'Internet worms,'
>>>> rather than the more correct designation of 'Windows viruses' or
>>>> 'Microsoft Outlook viruses.'"              --Robert X. Cringely
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Houston mailing list
>>>> Houston at pm.org
>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Houston mailing list
>>> Houston at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>>>
>>
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From kristoferhoch at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 29 10:48:25 2005
From: kristoferhoch at yahoo.com (Kristofer Hoch)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 10:48:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pm-h] Upcoming meetings
In-Reply-To: <20050826201236.Y75336@eris.io.com>
Message-ID: <20050829174825.57110.qmail@web33314.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I will have to talk with the Miss before committing to a talk.  I have three young ones at home, and leaving my wife there all day with can be cruel.  If I can, then It will have to be later in the year.
 
Thanks,
Kristofer

Paul Archer <tigger at io.com> wrote:
Well, I have played with Mason a bit, but it sounds like Kristofer has a lot 
more experience with it.
Of course, by the time we have a meeting where we talk about Mason, I may be 
more familiar with it. Still, K is probably a better bet for a talk.

Paul


7:29pm, G. Wade Johnson wrote:

> Well, it sounds like we might have two people capable of telling the rest of
> us a bit about Mason.
>
> How about it Paul or Kristofer? Either of you interested for a talk this year?
>
> G. Wade
>
> On Thu, 25 Aug 2005 10:16:11 -0700 (PDT)
> Kristofer Hoch wrote:
>
>> HTML::Mason is fun. I recently built an entire database system using
>> it.
>>
>>
>> --- Will Willis wrote:
>>
>>> Mason sounds like a great idea for a topic. I'll be there.
>>>
>>> -Will
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> From: Paul Archer 
>>>> Reply-To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." 
>>>> To: "Houston.pm located in Houston, TX." 
>>>> Subject: Re: [pm-h] Upcoming meetings
>>>> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 09:22:09 -0500 (CDT)
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I'm getting interested in getting into Mason again
>>>> (www.masonhq.com). For those who don't know, it's a Perl-based
>>> framework
>>>> for
>>>> html server/services--kind of Perl's answer to Java's JSPs.
>>>> We could look at what it takes to set it up, and try writing a page
>>> or two.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 6:58am, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Do we have any volunteers to present at the October or November
>>>> meetings?
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't want to volunteer, do you have any ideas for a
>>>> presentation?
>>>>>
>>>>> Last year we took a break in December for the holidays.
>>>>> Do we want to do the same this year?
>>>>>
>>>>> G. Wade
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Aug 29 20:05:02 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 22:05:02 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Upcoming Meeting changes
Message-ID: <20050829220502.2ae3aedb@sovvan>

It looks like Bill Dillon has a conflict for the September meeting, so we will
be moving the "Graphics in Perl" talk to October 11. The question now, of
course, is what will we do on September 13?

Anybody up to putting together a presentation in the next two weeks?

We've had some really good suggestions lately, do any of them sound like a
good idea?

Hoping for some input,
G. Wade
-- 
"Mister Garibaldi, there're days I'm very glad I don't have to think like
you do."                     -- Ivanova, "And the Sky Full of Stars"

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Aug 30 20:59:44 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 22:59:44 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] August Presentation updated
Message-ID: <20050830225944.1cbf66c3@sovvan>

It's taken me a while, but I finally got the files from Paul's August
presentation added to the Houston.pm website.

G. Wade
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Aug 30 21:48:57 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2005 23:48:57 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] September Meeting topics
Message-ID: <20050830234857.30a63a29@sovvan>

Bill had a suggestion of continuing the discussion of group Perl projects at
the next meeting.

We could also have an official question and answer session. Bring your
questions, code problems, and your expertise. We could try to match experience
with problems.

One thing I have been intrigued by is the Perl conference concept of Lightning
Talks. (http://perl.plover.com/lt/osc2005/lightning-talks.html) We could try
to run a set of these.

(Giving Lightning Talks:
http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2004/07/30/lightningtalk.html)

Any thoughts,
G. Wade
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